You’re Wrong About

The Exorcist turns 50 this week, so we invited Marlena Williams, author of Night Mother: A Personal and Cultural History of the Exorcist, to come tell us about the little possession movie that changed America forever. Was the set cursed by Satan himself, or plain old 70s misogyny? What makes a country going through a cultural upheaval embrace stories about the Devil? And—the most critical question of all—do Ouija boards really cause possession? 

You can find Marlena online here.
You can buy the book here.

This episode was produced by Carolyn Kendrick.

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“The creatures outside looked from influencer to human, and from human to influencer, and from human to influencer again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.”

Taylor Lorenz, author of Extremely Online, takes Sarah on a horror- and nostalgia-filled ride through the last twenty years of internet history. Then we try to make sense of what our internet future will be. 

You can find Taylor online here.

This episode was produced by Carolyn Kendrick.

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Mulder and Scully were busy this week, so Monroe and Marshall are on the case. Did UFOs really travel across the galaxy to experiment on American cows in the 1970s? And if so, why did they come back after fifty years?

You can find Rachel online here.
This episode was produced by Carolyn Kendrick.

Links:

UFOs and a Horse Called Snippy
Mutilations of Cattle In Texas, Oklahoma Called Work of Cults
Six Cattle Found Dead in Texas With Their Tongues Missing
"UFO Secrecy extends to NASA; cattle mutilations confuse authorities"

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https://history.denverlibrary.org/news/western-history/ufos-and-horse-called-snippy
https://www.nytimes.com/1975/03/02/archives/mutilations-of-cattle-in-texas-oklahoma-called-work-of-cults.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/22/us/cattle-deaths-texas.htm
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This week, celebrity correspondent Eve Lindley tells Sarah about why we should all be thankful for Amy Winehouse. Note: this episode depicts struggles with eating disorders, addiction and self harm. Please listen with care. We are thankful for you, too.

You can find Eve on Instagram here.

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This week, American Hysteria’s Chelsey Weber-Smith gives Sarah some exposure therapy.

You can find Chelsey / American Hysteria here.

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Come one, come all to the Aladdin theater in Portland, Oregon this December 6, for a collaboration with our BFF podcast American Hysteria!

Two podcasts combine mystical forces to summon strange spirits and investigate sensational otherworldly beliefs, conjuring comedy and witchy rock and roll to create our own new rituals and shake off the ghostly chains of the past year. Join Sarah Marshall and Chelsey Weber-Smith fireside for an evening of conversation, music, and a massive séance that we hope will bring us back to life.

Tickets are on sale NOW for Patreon and Apple Subscription supporters, Friday for everybody else!

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Forty whacks with a wet noodle, Bart! This week, Princess Weekes tells Sarah the true story of the crime of the century… the nineteenth century, that is.

You can find Princess on YouTube here.

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"What is it about the culture that has conditioned us to favor the wants and needs and desires, however horrible, of a serial murderer, as opposed to--most often--the women and girls that they harmed and killed?" This week, Sarah Weinman takes us on a backpacking trip through true crime history and American pop culture, and tells us about the myths and realities of criminal profiling—and why they're sometimes so hard to pull apart. And finally, we ask the ultimate taboo question: are serial killers boring?

You can find Sarah's newsletter here.

Articles discussed:

The Case of the Fake Sherlock
What lies beneath: the secrets of France’s top serial killer expert

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https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/richard-walter-criminal-profiler-fraud.html
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/nov/09/secrets-of-top-serial-killer-expert-france-stephane-bourgoin
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Here's one from our bonus vault: you sent in your stories about moments when you found yourselves changing your minds, and we listened. When do we do it? Why do we do it? What does it take? Here are some of your answers.

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Like so many other mostly imaginary topics, human trafficking is in the news again. Michael Hobbes—ever heard of him??—came by so Sarah could tell him about Sound of Freedom, a surprise hit summer movie that promises it can end child slavery, but only if you buy as many tickets as you can. Then, you can hear the episode we released on "human trafficking"—what it isn't, and what it is—back in 2019. 

You can find Mike's shows here:

Maintenance Phase
If Books Could Kill

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This week, Heather Radke brings us a tale of pageants, eugenics, and butts.

You can find Heather online here.

You can see Norma/Norman here.

More on the Better Babies Pageants. 

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This week, Sarah tells her favorite kind of story to American Hysteria’s Chelsey Weber-Smith: one where two girls hoaxed the world without trying very hard.

You can find Chelsey + American Hysteria online here.

Buy ‘Lullaby’ on Bandcamp here. 

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“Why don’t something happen?” Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow died in 1934, but their legend gets bigger every year. This week, Jamie Loftus brings us back to reality with a tale of prison breaks, FBI malfeasance, love, guitars, and hot dog breakfasts.

You can find Jamie online here. 

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This week, we bring you a re-release from our bonus vault as Sarah tells Carolyn Kendrick about the making of Fleetwood Mac’s Rumours. We learn about the worlds of songwriting and production, how the music business has changed since the 1970’s, and of course all the interpersonal relationships that make us love to love this band.

We will be back next week with a new episode.

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This week, Sports Illustrated’s Julie Kliegman volleys with Sarah about trans athlete Renée Richards’s fight for her right to play in the U.S. Open. They also dig into how the dialogue surrounding trans athletes has and hasn’t changed in the 40-plus years since. Plus, are tennis balls hollow? An investigation.

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Fly with us, lesbian seagull. This week Radiolab’s Lulu Miller brings us a story of queer nature and scientists in denial, featuring seagulls, penguins, rams, swans, dolphins, and—maybe the gayest animal of all—humans.

To learn more about the seagulls, and hear much more of Lulu’s story, check out Radiolab’s amazing new episode.

You can find Lulu on Twitter here. 

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“I felt that empathy like it was directed towards me, and it helped me feel like my unhappiness was enough.” On our fifth anniversary, we asked for your stories about what You’re Wrong About has meant to you. Here they are.

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“What if you were writing a profile on someone named Janet and I was your editor, and I was like, ‘I’m sorry, for balance, find someone who wants to kill Janet’?” This week, Tuck Woodstock, host of Gender Reveal, takes us on a journey through the New York Times’ coverage of trans issues—and in the end, he points the way to a better future.

You can find Tuck / Gender Reveal online here.

You can find an episode transcript along with citations here.

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100% of profit generated via Patreon and Apple Podcast Subscriptions between May 15 - May 31, 2023 will be split between the following organizations:

TASSN
Southern Trans Youth Emergency Project
Kind Clinic
Black Trans Women Inc
Gender Reveal Grant & Mutual Aid Programs

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You’re Wrong About is five years old, and we want to hear your stories about the show!

Listen here for details, and submit your file to [email protected]

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 In 1988, twenty-year-old American figure skater Debi Thomas headed to the Calgary Olympics to face off against East German juggernaut Katarina Witt. In the process, she became the first Black American in history to medal at a Winter Olympics. Then she disappeared from the sport. Where did she go, and who wasn’t there to catch her when she fell? This week, Leslie Gray Streeter tells Sarah about growing up watching Debi skate, where she is now, how her sport and her country failed her, and just how many people are missing from the stories we tell and the dreams we dream.

You can find Leslie online here. 

Debi returns to the ice

Debi cover of TIME

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This week, we fight the real enemy with Allyson McCabe.
 
Here's where to find Allyson online here.

You can find Allyson's book Why Sinéad O'Connor Matters here.

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This week, national treasure Amanda Knox talks with Sarah about what the American legal system claims to be for, what it’s actually doing, and what might be possible in the future. They entertain the most heretical ideas they can think of, which mostly seem to be about unconditional love and mercy. And at the end, Sarah’s ghost boyfriend Clarence Darrow turns up.
 
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Labyrinths (podcast)

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This week, criminal justice correspondent Josie Duffy Rice dives into America’s obsession with prosecuting children. From 19th century houses of refuge to modern day detention centers, we comb through the tangled braids of juvenile incarceration, tough on crime fallacies, as well as criminality and its dark shadow of capitalism. Please take care while listening. 

Side bars include ice cream boats, Ronald Reagan, and Leonardo DiCaprio’s dating range.

Here's where to find Josie:

Website
Substack
Unreformed: The Story of the Alabama Industrial School for Negro Childre

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This week, survival correspondent Blair Braverman tells Sarah the story of a Supertramp. In 1996, Jon Krakauer's book Into the Wild described a young man, Chris McCandless, who changed his name, walked into the Alaskan bush, and died after mistakenly eating a toxic plant. Or did he? Now, Sarah and Blair talk about the McCandless archive and its legacy in conversations around wilderness, Alaska, violence, and more.

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Small Game [book]

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You're Wrong About is going back on tour! We're doing a bunch of live shows in North America—me, producer and musician Carolyn Kendrick, and some fabulous guests—and we hope you come think about some stuff, and also that you laugh.

Doing the four shows we did last September was the highlight of my year, nay, my post-2019 life. And just being in a room with some of the people who make this show possible means so much to me. I hope you can come!

You can find all the links you need to buy tickets for each venue on this page. Tickets go on sale Friday!

https://linktr.ee/ywapod

And here are our dates and cities:

• Tuesday, March 21 — Detroit, MI
• Thursday, March 23 — Chicago, IL
• Saturday, March 25 — Minneapolis, MN
• Sunday, April 23 — Toronto, ON
• Tuesday, April 25 — New York, NY
• Thursday, April 27 — Brooklyn, NY
• Sunday, April 30 — Philadelphia, PA
• Wednesday, May 3 — Pittsburgh, PA
• Thursday, May 11 — Washington, DC
• Sunday, May 14 — Boston, MA
• Tuesday, May 16 — Burlington, VT
• Thursday, May 18 — Montreal, QC

We can't wait to see you.

Yours,
Sarah

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This week, a tale of two Shawns/Seans, their impossible dream, and the file sharing service that lived fast, died young, and helped create the internet as we know it. Plus, Metallica.

Here's where to find Niko:

Website
Newsletter
Twitter

Resources cited in the show introduction:

The Racial Roots Behind the Term "Nappy" on NPR's Code Switch
https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2019/08/09/412886884/the-racial-roots-behind-the-term-nappy

The Complex History and Politicization of Black Hair in America, presented by Danielle Harvey
https://kisaradio.org/podcast-feature-the-complex-history-and-politicization-of-black-hair-in-america-presented-by-danielle-harvey/

Coiled by Leanne Aile
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/coiled/id1585408648

"The Other N-Word" by Shalwah Evans
https://www.essence.com/feature/is-nappy-negative-or-black-hair-empowerment/

"How Natural Black Hair at Work Became a Civil Rights Issue" by Chanté Griffin
https://daily.jstor.org/how-natural-black-hair-at-work-became-a-civil-rights-issue/

"The Natural Hair Movement" by Kamina Wilkerson
https://radar.auctr.edu/islandora/object/continuum:0001.008

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In this episode, Carolyn and Sarah follow Karen from the height of her fame through her struggle to find independence, her attempts at eating disorder recovery, and finally to her death on February 4, 1983, when she was just 32 years old. Then it's time to sing a song.

We extensively discuss eating disorders, disordered eating, and everything that goes with them in this episode. Please listen with care.

Additional CW: At 01:21:18 we use a term that evokes suicidal imagery. It is okay to pick back up at 01:21:21.

If you want to learn more, try Little Girl Blue by Randy L. Schmidt, our primary source for the information in this episode. 

Little Girl Blue: The Life of Karen Carpenter - Randy L. Schmidt - Google Books

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Join us for a Valentine's Day live stream, presented by Moment.

We'll be joined by Jamie Loftus and we'll be serenaded by Carolyn Kendrick. It's a You're Wrong About Valentine's Day Variety Show.

February 14th
5 PM Pacific, 8 PM Eastern, 9:30 PM Newfoundland

Tickets are $10, or $15 if you want to stick around for a Q & A.

https://www.moment.co/yourewrongabout

Patreon and Apple Podcast Subscription supporters, keep an eye out for a 20% discount code.  

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Extry! Extry! New podcast by Josie Duffy Rice!

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In 1968, five Black girls escaped from the Alabama Industrial School for Negro Children, a so-called “reform school” outside of Montgomery, Alabama. These girls were not the first children to run away from the institution, which everyone called Mt. Meigs. Children tried to escape all the time, desperate to get away from a place described by many as a child’s prison. But this time was different. This time, a girl named Mary Stephens chose to tell someone her story. It was a decision that would change everything.

Unreformed: The Story of the Alabama Industrial School for Negro Children, hosted by Josie Duffy Rice, is an investigative podcast chronicling the history of Mt. Meigs, an institution that began as a safe haven for black youth before mutating into a “modern-day slave plantation” rife with torture and abuse. It tells the story of the man who decided to blow the whistle on the corruption and brutality that flourished at Mt. Meigs, and the repercussions he suffered as a result. And it traces the histories of the now-adults who were trapped there as children in the 1960

https://www.iheartmedia.com/press/iheartpodcasts-and-school-humans-announce-unreformed-story-alabama-industrial-school-negro

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Long ago and oh so far away, Carolyn and Sarah fell in love with Karen Carpenter when they saw her drum. We examine her meteoric rise. 

CONTENT WARNING: Karen Carpenter died in 1983 of complications from an eating disorder. Most of our eating disorder discussion will take place in Part II, but we never quite get away from the topic here either. Please listen with care.

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On October 14, 1987, 18-month-old Jessica McClure fell down a well in Midland, Texas. This week, Sarah tells our survival correspondent, Blair Braverman, about the community that worked to rescue her, and the nation that watched.

Here's where to find Blair:

Website
Twitter
Small Game [book]

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Links:

https://www.blairbraverman.com/
https://twitter.com/blairbraverman
https://www.harpercollins.com/products/small-game-blair-braverman?variant=40090251100194
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They’re winsome and soft and so fun to cuddle/ With one of Ty’s Beanie Babies, you could never go wrong/ But they were all born from a toxic puddle/ It really was capitalism all along.

This week, Jamie Loftus tells us the story of the greatest toy fad of the 90s, and liberates us from our tiny plastic boxes.
 
Here's where to find Jamie:

Jamie's Website

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Put on your Docksiders for a stroll through history with Avery Trufelman, who shows us how Ivy style became “preppy,” and how preppy fashion escaped the campus and took over the world. We’re talking about clothing, class, race, and the American dream: you may be through with the polo shirt, but the polo shirt isn’t through with you.

Here's where to find Avery:

Articles of Interest on Substack
Articles of Interest podcast

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Links:

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https://www.articlesofinterest.co/
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https://www.teepublic.com/stores/youre-wrong-about
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How did Poltergeist get that PG rating? Podcast legend Karina Longworth, host of You Must Remember This, takes us on a wild ride through a century or so of Hollywood history, and shows us what’s been left on the cutting room floor.

Here's where to find Karina:

Website
You Must Remember This

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Links:

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http://www.youmustrememberthispodcast.com/
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Our survival correspondent Blair Braverman is here to tell us the story of Uruguayan Air Force Flight 571, which crashed in the Andes on October 13, 1972. Of the 45 people on board, 16 ultimately lived. Their survival made them heroes, until the way they survived shocked the world. This week, a story of glaciers, peanuts, and friendship.

Here's where to find Blair:

Website
Twitter
Small Game [book]

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https://www.blairbraverman.com/
https://twitter.com/blairbraverman
https://www.harpercollins.com/products/small-game-blair-braverman?variant=40090251100194
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“Abortion is healthcare and abortion is a human right. Abortion is racial justice. It’s economic justice. It’s at the intersection of every movement towards liberation. My abortion was a gift.” 

We asked you to share your abortion stories with us. Here they are. 

Contribute to the National Network of Abortion Funds here:

https://abortionfunds.org/donate/

What to do if you need an abortion:

https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/abortion

If you need help paying for an abortion:

 https://abortionfunds.org/need-abortion/

Shout Your Abortion is normalizing abortion and elevating safe paths to access, regardless of legality. SYA makes resources, campaigns, and media intended to arm existing activists, create new ones, and foster collective participation in abortion access all over the country.

https://shoutyourabortion.com/

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Links:

https://abortionfunds.org/donate/
https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/abortion
https://abortionfunds.org/need-abortion/
https://shoutyourabortion.com/
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Why is it so hard to find the one thing you need? The Atlantic’s Amanda Mull is here to tell us the story of shopping, from the Silk Road to SHEIN hauls, and the story that emerges is one of workers turned against each other, and industrial byproducts reinvented as trends. 

Here's where to find Amanda:

The Atlantic
Twitter

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Links:

https://www.theatlantic.com/author/amanda-mull/
https://twitter.com/amandamull
http://patreon.com/yourewrongabout
http://apple.co/ywa
https://www.teepublic.com/stores/youre-wrong-about
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Support us:

• Bonus Episodes on Patreon
• Bonus Episodes on Apple Podcasts
• Donate on Paypal
• Buy cute merch

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• Sarah's other show, You Are Good 
• [YWA co-founder] Mike's other show, Maintenance Phase

Links:

http://patreon.com/yourewrongabout
http://apple.co/ywa
https://www.teepublic.com/stores/youre-wrong-about
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This week, Mike and Sarah reunite to hunt for serial killers, and try to figure out whether they’re really endangered. Digressions include crow funerals, Carrie Bradshaw, and how we feel about being called mom and dad.

An extended cut of this episode is also available for Patreon supporters and Apple + Podcast subscribers. 

Here's where to find Mike:

Newsletter
Twitter
Maintenance Phase 

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Links:

https://michaelhobbes.substack.com/
https://twitter.com/rottenindenmark
https://www.maintenancephase.com/
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http://apple.co/ywa
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You may:

1. Travel on the established trail
2. Take the Hastings Cutoff

What is your choice?

Chelsey Weber-Smith (American Hysteria) tells Sarah about the Donner Party. 

Here's where to find Chelsey:

Website
Twitter

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Links:

https://www.chelseywebersmith.com/
https://twitter.com/amerhysteria
http://patreon.com/yourewrongabout
http://apple.co/ywa
https://www.teepublic.com/stores/youre-wrong-about
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This week we’re taking the back roads with Rachel Monroe, who tells us how the most prolific serial killer in American history may have been something much more ordinary—and why we keep trying to make violent men seem much more powerful than they are. Digressions include Ann Rule, career burnout, and tires for serial killers.

Here's where to find Rachel:

Website
Twitter

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Links:

http://www.rachel-monroe.com/
https://twitter.com/rachmonroe
http://patreon.com/yourewrongabout
http://apple.co/ywa
https://www.teepublic.com/stores/youre-wrong-about
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Here’s some money, go see a Porn War. This week we’re going on a field trip to Times Square with Nona Willis Aronowitz, author of Bad Sex, to learn about Deep Throat, “porno chic,” and the unresolved feminist battle over whether to eradicate pornography or make more of it. Digressions include Carol Clover, this discovery of the clitoris, and Harry Reems (Joel Reems’ distant cousin).

Here's where to find Nona:

Website
Bad Sex (book)

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Links:

https://www.theothernwa.com/
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http://apple.co/ywa
https://www.teepublic.com/stores/youre-wrong-about
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This week, Eric Michael Garcia tells Sarah about America’s barely forgotten pastime, plus the Supreme Court’s long history of horrifying decisions. Digressions include due process, The Evil Dead, and what Hitler admired about the United States.

Here's where Eric:

Website
We're Not Broken: Changing the Autism Conversation

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Episode Resources:

https://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/the-forgotten-lessons-of-the-american-eugenics-movement

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/reckoning-with-our-mistakes/

http://eugenicsarchive.ca/discover/tree/512fa0d334c5399e2c000005#:~:text=Kellogg%20was%20a%20vocal%20eugenicist,hygiene%20(Kellogg%2C%201913)

https://allthatsinteresting.com/john-harvey-kellogg

http://www.eugenicsarchive.org/html/eugenics/static/images/1013.html

https://www.oyez.org/cases/1900-1940/274us200

https://eugenicsarchive.ca/discover/connections/530ba18176f0db569b00001b

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/04/adam-serwer-madison-grant-white-nationalism/583258/

Links:

http://www.ericmgarcia.net/
http://patreon.com/yourewrongabout
http://apple.co/ywa
https://www.teepublic.com/stores/youre-wrong-about
https://www.paypal.com/paypalme/yourewrongaboutpod
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This is a super quick message to let you know we'll be having a You're Wrong About West Coast mini tour in September.

We'll be going to Portland on 9/16, Seattle (9/18), Los Angeles (9/20) and San Francisco (9/22).

There will be music and guests, and if it goes well we may do more of these in more cities.

I am letting you know in this quick announcement because tickets go on sale this Friday and they are first come, first served. But! There will be a one day pre-sale for our Patreon and Apple Plus supporters on Wednesday July 13th.

Here are the links to each show. 

https://event.etix.com/ticket/online/performanceSale.do?performance_id=4988321&method=restoreToken

https://www.seetickets.us/event/YOURE-WRONG-ABOUT-The-Vera-Project/493552

https://www.ticketweb.com/event/youre-wrong-about-the-masonic-lodge-at-hollywood-tickets/12269765?pl=HF

https://www.ticketmaster.com/event/1C005CE90C3A54C6

Patron:

https://www.patreon.com/yourewrongabout

Apple Plus: 

http://apple.co/ywa

I hope to see you there! 

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This week Carmen and Sarah read the rest of Alice’s bitchin' diary, and ponder the truths that only lies can tell. Digressions include Pamela and Clarissa, sadistic switch hitters, and orange yeast rolls.

You can hear Part 1 here and Part 3 here. 

Here's where to find Carmen:

Website

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Links:

https://carmenmariamachado.com/
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http://apple.co/ywa
https://www.teepublic.com/stores/youre-wrong-about
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Sarah and Carmen complete their epic trilogy by meeting Rick Emerson on the edge of Mount Doom to discuss his book, Unmask Alice, and some of the story behind the diary that has captivated America—and informed its drug policy—for half a century. Digressions include multi-level marketing, Oceans Eleven, the Great Salt Lake.

You can hear Part 1 here and Part 2 here.

Here's where to find Rick and his book Unmask Alice: LSD, Satanic Panic, and the Imposter Behind the World's Most Notorious Diaries:

Website

Here's where to find Carmen:

Website

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Links:

https://carmenmariamachado.com/
http://www.rickemerson.com/
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http://apple.co/ywa
https://www.teepublic.com/stores/youre-wrong-about
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This week we’re dishing up a mouthwatering feast of history, gossip, and white collar crime. Guest Sarah Archer tells the tale of Martha Stewart, a girl from New Jersey who achieved world domination by letting us look at her basket collection. Digressions include prairie dresses, condensed soups, and how to tell if your tween is reading Sunset Magazine.

Some Notes:

• K-Mart Commercial
• Early Martha Stewart Living TV show
• Martha on Letterman post-prison
• Snoop and Martha, 2008
• Martha's Princess Peony Announcement Part 1
• Martha's Princess Peony Announcement Part 2
• Martha and Snoop lighter ad
• SNL Martha / K-Mart bankruptcy 
• Everything Martha eats in a day

Here's where to find Sarah Archer:

Website
Twitter

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Links:

https://www.sarah-archer.com/
https://twitter.com/Sarcher
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI7hGjIwRsY
https://youtu.be/6ko8WoHhmTc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtZ2SZyJhgA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ocre0kXgvg
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cb5uPYlpZK7/
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cb5uPYlpZK7/
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cb5u2hqpHzW/
https://youtu.be/y8jAtLBF_Lk
https://youtu.be/Yme4gdvYi3U
https://youtu.be/lKh2IkbCbQo

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https://www.teepublic.com/stores/youre-wrong-about
https://www.paypal.com/paypalme/yourewrongaboutpod
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This week, Sarah tries to solve the mystery of the Dyatlov Pass Incident, in which nine experienced ski hikers fled their shelter and ran into the frigid night for reasons unknown. Digressions include yetis, snowmobiles, and Rachel Monroe. Sarah miraculous does not sing Rilo Kiley’s “Portions for Foxes.”

Some Notes:

• The New Yorker 
• The BBC
• Cracked
• Nature
• The Atlantic
• The New York Times

Here's where to find Blair:

Website
Twitter

Support us:

Bonus Episodes on Patreon

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Sarah's other show, You Are Good 

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Links:

https://www.blairbraverman.com/
https://twitter.com/blairbraverman
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/05/17/has-an-old-soviet-mystery-at-last-been-solved
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/extra/SoLiOdJyCK/mystery_of_dyatlov_pass
https://www.cracked.com/article_16671_6-famous-unsolved-mysteries-with-really-obvious-solutions.html
https://www.nature.com/articles/s43247-022-00393-x?utm_medium=affiliate&utm_source=commission_junction&utm_campaign=CONR_PF018_ECOM_GL_PHSS_ALWYS_PRODUCT&utm_content=textlink&utm_term=PID100094349&CJEVENT=89eb6401bf5311ec83a802f70a82b824
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2020/02/russia-dyatlov-pass-conspiracy-theory/605863/
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2020/02/russia-dyatlov-pass-conspiracy-theory/605863/
http://patreon.com/yourewrongabout
https://www.teepublic.com/stores/youre-wrong-about
https://www.paypal.com/paypalme/yourewrongaboutpod
https://www.podpage.com/you-are-good
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Where did all these prisons come from? WBEZ’s Shannon Heffernan is here to give us part of the answer, which involves “small government” (of course), Lennie Briscoe (as always), the pink flowers of Alcatraz, and a prison sweepstakes that produced the actual worst song of the 80s.

Two quick corrections via Shannon:

"I said Illinois has potential plans to shrink one prison and close another. That was an error. Both plans are about shrinking facilities.  I said CO's have a life expectancy of 56 years, the stat I meant to quote is 59 but since our interview, I discovered that statistic (and the stat about divorce) to be from studies/sources that are considered very weak so I've stopped using them."

Here's where to find Shannon:

Website
Twitter
Motive (podcast)

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Links:

https://www.wbez.org/staff/288/shannon-heffernan
https://twitter.com/shannon_h
https://www.wbez.org/shows/motive/8c9f445c-4f62-46d6-a7f6-dc70a835e99b
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This week we begin our journey into the totally true not at all made up diary that has been scaring America’s teens for fifty years. Digressions include Jell-O, magic mushrooms, and ironing your hair, and Sarah promises to trip with Carmen. “Button, Button” is by Richard Matheson.

You can hear Part 2 here and Part 3 here.

Here's where to find Carmen:

Website

Support us:

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Sarah's other show, You Are Good 

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Links:

https://carmenmariamachado.com/
http://patreon.com/yourewrongabout
https://www.teepublic.com/stores/youre-wrong-about
https://www.paypal.com/paypalme/yourewrongaboutpod
https://www.podpage.com/you-are-good
http://maintenancephase.com

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We want to play a game. This week, Dana Schwartz stuffs us in an iron maiden and explains why the most famous Medieval torture devices are none of the above. Digressions include the Kings Cross Wax Museum, getting stabbed in the butt, and the pivot to video era.

Links to stuff discussed within:

5 Of The Most Gruesome Medieval Torture Devices [Buzzfeed]
Sutton hoo artifact [1]
Sutton hoo artifact [2]
Coat of shame [1]
Coat of shame [2]

Here's where to find Dana:

Noble Blood [podcast] and Anatomy, A Love Story [novel]

Support us:

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Sarah's other show, You Are Good 

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Links:

http://noblebloodtales.com
http://www.danaschwartzdotcom.com/books.html
http://patreon.com/yourewrongabout
https://www.teepublic.com/stores/youre-wrong-about
https://www.paypal.com/paypalme/yourewrongaboutpod
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2Se3knPozM&ab_channel=BuzzFeedVideo
https://www.britishmuseum.org/sites/default/files/styles/uncropped_medium/public/2019-10/gold-belt-buckle-sutton-hoo-british-museum-1000-500.jpg?itok=Tz1nO2MR
https://www.britishmuseum.org/sites/default/files/styles/uncropped_medium/public/2019-10/Purse%20lid%20from%20the%20ship-burial%20at%20Sutton%20Hoo%2C%20British%20Musem.jpg?itok=Ggs9B9_Y
https://www.ancient-origins.net/sites/default/files/Coat-of-Shame.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/82/Spansk_kappe_%282%29.jpg/440px-Spansk_kappe_%282%29.jpg

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How did the information superhighway get so gridlocked? Guest Anne Helen Petersen tells Sarah the story of how email took over the world and our working lives, and what it would mean for us to get a little of our lost time back. Plus, a Kurt Loder cameo.

Here’s where to find Anne:

• Twitter
• Substack

Support us:

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Sarah's other show, You Are Good
[YWA co-founder] Mike's other show, Maintenance Phase

Links:
 
https://twitter.com/annehelen
https://annehelen.substack.com/
http://patreon.com/yourewrongabout
https://www.teepublic.com/stores/youre-wrong-about
https://www.paypal.com/paypalme/yourewrongaboutpod
https://www.podpage.com/you-are-good
http://maintenancephase.com

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What do Chopin, Kylie Jenner, baby carrots, and the War of the Worlds all have in common? They’re all part of Sarah and Chelsey Weber-Smith’s speedrun  through common misconceptions—plus a little Satanic Panic, as a treat.

Here’s where to find Chelsey:

Chelsey + American Hysteria

Support us:

Bonus Episodes on Patreon
Donate on Paypal
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Where else to find us:

Sarah's other show, You Are Good
[YWA co-founder] Mike's other show, Maintenance Phase

Some links + ephemera referred to in this episode:

• Baby Carrots: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzxwRmsCRb4
• War of the Worlds: https://slate.com/culture/2013/10/orson-welles-war-of-the-worlds-panic-myth-the-infamous-radio-broadcast-did-not-cause-a-nationwide-hysteria.html
• Juliet's Balcony: https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2014/10/romeo-and-juliets-balcony-scene-doesnt-exist/381969/
• Is that a chicken: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/UxxGOYmC1u0
  
  

 Links:
 
https://twitter.com/amerhysteria
http://patreon.com/yourewrongabout
https://www.teepublic.com/stores/youre-wrong-about
https://www.paypal.com/paypalme/yourewrongaboutpod
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Laci Mosley (Scam Goddess) tells Sarah about Linda Taylor and the origins of the Welfare Queen myth ("the build the wall" of the 70s). They also discuss the origins of the Ronald Reagan myth, and how the latter used the former to become the "Beyoncé of the GOP."

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Some articles referred to in this episode:

• http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/history/2013/12/linda_taylor_welfare_queen_ronald_reagan_made_her_a_notorious_american_villain.html
• https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/05/the-queen-linda-taylor-welfare-reagan-podcast.html
• https://www.littlebrown.com/titles/josh-levin/the-queen/9780316513272/
• https://www.earwolf.com/episode/the-welfare-queen-w-ayo-edebiri/
• https://newrepublic.com/article/154404/myth-welfare-queen

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What if there is no tomorrow? There wasn’t one today. Josh Gondelman is here to laugh and cry with us, and to unpack the heaps of big feelings in Groundhog Day. 

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Josie Duffy Rice and Sarah discuss the role of junk science in the criminal justice system. It is a big turkey to carve up and Josie serves Sarah a bleakly empowering feast.
 
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Josie on Twitter
Josie's website

Correction (February 22, 2022): The initial release of this episode included the suggestion that medical examiners do not need MDs. In the unedited conversation, Josie corrected herself on this point, but we inadvertently removed it in the edit. The episode has since been edited to remove any confusion regarding this point.

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Some articles referred to in this episode:

• https://www.propublica.org/article/texas-forensic-science-commission-blood-spatter-evidence-testimony-murder-case-joe-bryan
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTa-PWdjX-Q
• https://features.propublica.org/blood-spatter/joe-bryan-conviction-blood-spatter-forensic-evidence/
• https://forensicdental.wordpress.com/2012/01/04/bitemark-analysis-problems-disclosed-10-years-ago-by-cbs-60-minutes/

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In this final installment of the Amityville Horror Winter Book Club, Sarah tells guest host Jamie Loftus about Jodie the Demon Pig's scary hooves, the catharsis of exorcism, and how the book kinda debunks itself.

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Willa Paskin (of Slate's Decoder Ring) brings Sarah back to 2005, when Tom Cruise jumping on a couch became the talk of the town.

We will return to Amityville (part 3 of 3) next time!
 
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Tom Cruise on the couch notes

Oprah episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=930BhfJxFxU

Tom Cruise Kills Oprah meme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRbhE3GRiUE

Amy Nicholson's revelatory piece reframing Tom Cruise and the couch jump: https://www.laweekly.com/how-youtube-and-internet-journalism-destroyed-tom-cruise-our-last-real-movie-star/

Rich Juzwiak piece on the meaning of the couch jump: https://www.gawker.com/5912665/gone-and-back-tom-cruises-couch-jumping-remembered

New York Times hand wringing about the event: 

• https://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/02/movies/how-personal-is-too-personal-for-a-star-like-tom-cruise.html
• https://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/22/fashion/sundaystyles/i-love-you-with-all-my-hype.html
• https://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/19/opinion/two-top-guns-shoot-blanks.html

A few other interesting, what it all meant pieces:

• https://www.laineygossip.com/looking-back-on-tom-cruise-maniacal-couch-jumping-on-oprah-fifteen-years-later/66337
• https://www.theringer.com/tv/2018/8/1/17631658/tom-cruise-oprah-couch-jump

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Jessica Chastain and Sarah discuss Tammy Faye Bakker. Chastain is the star and a producer of the new film The Eyes of Tammy Faye. 

After Jessica and Sarah’s chat, they introduce this episode about Tammy Faye Bakker and Jessica Hahn from the early days of You’re Wrong About.

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“She only said one thing her whole life”: Sarah tells Mike how two decent women became scapegoats for the actions of one terrible man. Digressions include Larry Flynt, NPR tote bags and Playboy back issues. This episode contains a detailed description of a sexual assault [01:02:40 - 01:17:05]

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Sarah continues telling guest host Jamie Loftus about the Amityville Horror, and the two touch on ghosts, fallen angels, poltergeists, the space race and intimidating pictures of Mandy Moore.
 
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Sarah tells guest host Jamie Loftus about the Amityville Horror, how it’s a Christmas story, and why buying murder furniture might not be such a great idea.
 
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Jamelle Bouie explains to Sarah what the Reconstruction era was, why it remains relevant today, and how this history lesson is one that could get some high school teachers into legal trouble due to passage of anti-CRT laws.

Jamelle at the New York Times
Jamelle's podcast Unclear and Present Danger
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Emma Berquist stops by to tell us about how true crime doesn't have to make us better people, and in fact may be more harmful to us than we realize—but we don't let her in, because we don't want to get KILLED!

Content advisory: This episode contains some brief descriptions of a violent knife attack.

Episode Info + Links: https://www.buzzsprout.com/1112270/episodes/9590031

Emma's article, "True Crime is Rotting our Brains" 

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Special Guest Jamie Loftus tells Sarah about Ed and Lorraine Warren (of The Conjuring and Annabelle fame). Topics of interest include Connecticut as a locus of scary happenings, New England uncles, and psychic communication with a tearstained Bigfoot. 

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The Bechdel Cast [podcast] My Year in Mensa [podcast] and Aack Cast [podcast] 

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Special guest Dana Schwartz tells Sarah about Catherine the Great. Topics of interest include the very not great life of serfs, the accidental flattening of women via the girl-bossification of history, and a very solid Bertie Wooster reference.

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Noble Blood [podcast] and Anatomy, A Love Story [novel]

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From our friends at Maintenance Phase, the story of how Nestlé executives, global health institutions and a very racist white lady seeded a nutritional myth we're still living with today.

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Mike tells Sarah how a tragic story became a national punchline and a decades-long moral panic. Digressions include a sympathetic psychic, a paternalistic principal and a manure mishap. Mike appears to be unaware of the difference between a cousin and a nephew.

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• Distorting the Law: Politics, Media, and the Litigation Crisis 
• Java Jive: Genealogy of a Juridical Icon
• Newsweek’s “Lawsuit Hell” story
• Retro Report’s “The Misunderstood McDonald's Hot Coffee Lawsuit
• Adam Ruins Everything’s “The Truth About the McDonald's Coffee Lawsuit”
• Swindled’s “The Lawsuit”
• Susan Saladoff's "Hot Coffee" documentary
• McTorts: The Social and Legal Impact of McDonald's Role in Tort Suits
• Legal Urban Legends Hold Sway
• Revisiting The United States Application Of Punitive Damages: Separating Myth From Reality
• Six Myths of Capping Pain and Suffering Damages
• The Monster In The Television: The Media's Contribution To The Consumer Litigation Boogeyman
• The Beginning And The Possible End Of The Rise Of Modern American Tort Law
• Debunking Medical Malpractice Myths: Unraveling the False Premises Behind "Tort Reform"
• Blocking the Courthouse Door: How the Republican Party and Its Corporate Allies Are Taking Away Your Right to Sue

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While our next episode's in the oven,  enjoy this gem from the YWA vault!

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This week, the defense hires Alan Dershowitz, Marcia Clark questions witnesses and Jill Shively tries to get a salad. Digressions include narcissism, "Hard Copy" and the dad from "The Wonder Years." Susan Herman, the voice of reason in our Charlie Rose clip, is the Ruth Bader Ginsburg Professor of Law at Brooklyn Law School.

This episode includes descriptions of domestic violence.

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This week we debunk Mike Warnke right out of his cabin and into the lake, using Cornerstone Magazine’s long overdue exposé as our guide. Digressions include "Star Trek," a classic New Yorker cover and Ariana Grande. We definitively conclude that the Bible endorses cancel culture.
This episode, we’re sorry to say, includes detailed descriptions of domestic abuse.

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We finish our San Bernardino joyride through Mike Warnke’s 1972 “memoir” with a hex, a horrible crime and a Satanic celebrity cameo. Digressions include digressions include Billie Eilish, wicker men and today’s completely new and not at all throwback panic over critical race theory.

This episode includes a wildly fake but nonetheless disturbing description of a sexual assault.

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We continue our journey through Mike Warnke's 1972 "memoir" about his rise through the ranks of Satan Inc.  This week, Mike gets a promotion, attends a regional conference and dabbles in some light human trafficking. Despite filling this book with his wildest imaginings, he cannot conceive of a non-patriarchal institution.

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Sarah and Mike return to Camp You're Wrong About for another Satanic Panic story hour. This time we're talking about Mike Warnke's 1972 "memoir" about joining a demonic cult and the California hedonism that made him do it. Digressions include thrift stores, "Firestarter" and unjust Best Picture winners.

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Mike and Sarah have big feelings about an enduring debate. Digressions include “Carrie,” party planning etiquette and Whole Foods cafeterias. Sarah’s sound quality changes midway through because she moves from a McDonald’s parking lot to a Hardee’s parking lot.

Special thanks to Meredith Clark and Allissa Richardson for helping us with the history section of this episode!

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• Natalie Wynn's "Canceling" 
• Drag Them: A brief etymology of so-called “cancel culture”
• The Long and Tortured History of Cancel Culture
• The strange journey of ‘cancel,’ from a Black-culture punchline to a White-grievance watchword
• Why Attacking ‘Cancel Culture’ And ‘Woke’ People Is Becoming The GOP’s New Political Strategy
• Tales From the Teenage Cancel Culture
• Generational Cycles in American Politics, 1952–2016
• It’s Not Callout Culture. It’s Accountability.
• An Incomplete (but growing) History of Harassment Campaigns since 2003
• The State of Online Harassment
• “Did We Create This Monster?” How Twitter Turned Toxic 
• Morally Motivated Networked Harassment as Normative Reinforcement
  
  

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Mike tells Sarah about an impending conflict, a dissident singer and America's first internet-enabled cancellation. Digressions include "Freedom Fries" and 1990s record company shenanigans. The co-hosts harmonize for the first time; Mike struggles not to call the Chicks by their former name.

Content note: This episode includes misogynistic, racist and fatphobic language.

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• The Chicks' "Ready to Run" video
• Karen Pittelman's "Another Country"
• James Dickerson’s “Dixie Chicks: Down-Home and Backstage”
• Elites, Masses, and Media 
• Too Famous to Protest: Far-Right Online Community Bonding Over Collective Desecration of Colin Kaepernick, Fame, and Celebrity Activism
• Blacklists: The Dixie Chicks Controversy 
• Chicks in the Wilderness
• Chicks In the Line of Fire
• The Dixie Chicks Were Cancelled For Criticizing The President. Now, They’re Heroes.
• We’re Changing The Way We Do Business: A Critical Analysis Of The Dixie Chicks And The Country Music Industry
• The Country Connection: Country Music, 9/11, and the War on Terrorism
• Free Expression After September 11th: An Online Index
• Freedom Under Fire: Dissent in Post-9/11 America
• Exploring Iraq War News Coverage and a New Form of Censorship
• The LSE's analysis of the Freedom Fries controversy
• Destroying The Dixie Chicks – Ten Years After
• AOC’s Anti-Fans
• Racial Profiling And The War On Terror: Changing Trends And Perspectives
• Man Eats Dogs: The Hot Dog Stands of Chicago 

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Mike tells Sarah how liberal magazines turned a "kids these days" moral panic into a national crisis. Digressions include Law & Order, Dave Foley and swimming pool etiquette. This episode contains detailed descriptions of sexual assault, mass shootings and suicide.

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• John Wilson’s The Myth of Political Correctness
• Jon Weiner's Historians in Trouble
• Neil Gross’s Why Are Professors Liberal and Why Do Conservatives Care?
• Political Correctness: How The Right Invented A Phantom Enemy
• The Fraying Of America
• The Rising Hegemony of the Politically Correct
• Are You Telling Me That I'm Politically Correct?
• Are You Politically Correct?
• The Rising Hegemony of the Politically Correct
• There Is No Campus Free Speech Crisis: A Close Look at the Evidence

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Bob Shapiro is on a mission from God, F. Lee Bailey joins the Dream Team, and we get in our DeLorean to meet two of the most notorious Florida Men of the '60s: Carl Coppolino and Murph the Surf. Digressions include Linda Evangelista, Patty Hearst, "The Commitments" and the upside of peaking in your 50s.

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Special guest Cassie da Costa tells Mike and Sarah how Vanessa fell from grace and picked herself back up. Digressions include Stephen Sondheim, Rush Limbaugh and Joan Rivers. The tyranny of abs is discussed at length.

Here's Cassie's episode of You Must Remember This and her website!

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Mike reached new levels of rantiness on his other show and we wanted to make sure all our beloved debunkmates knew. PLUS: A special announcement!

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Mike tells Sarah how a 20-year-old singer, actress and French horn player became Miss America with less than six months of practice. Digressions include Ted Bundy, Stephen King’s “It” and a bonus debunking of the "bra-burning feminist" trope. We're sorry to say that this episode includes a description of child sexual abuse. 

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• Opening musical number
• Vanessa introduces herself
• Talent competition
• Swimsuit
• Vanessa wins!

Links!

• Sarah's Miss America piece!
• Vanessa and Helen’s memoir, “You Have No Idea”
• Margot Mifflin’s “Looking for Miss America”
• Vanessa Williams, Whitney Houston and Hollywood’s Misogynoir Problem
• Vanessa Williams: A Beauty Queen’s Crown of Thorns
• Miss America--The Inside Story
• First Black Miss America Finds Unforeseen Issues
• Ain’t I a Beauty Queen?: Black Women, Beauty, and the Politics of Race 
• Life with Daughters: Watching the Miss America Pageant
• 'A Felony Just to Own': The Sleazy Story Behind Penthouse’s Most Controversial Issue
• There She Goes, Miss America
• Most Famous Miss America In History
• 1989 People magazine article
• In Black and White
• Putting on a Happy Face

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Sarah's other show has a special guest! Maintenance Phase co-host Aubrey Gordon visits Why Are Dads to talk about Christopher Nolan, trash masculinity and the dwindling number of non-problematic superheroes.

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To tell the story of the "dream team" we must begin by going back to the future. This week we learn why O.J. Simpson fired the man who defended John DeLorean and why a briefcase of cocaine isn’t always a smoking gun. Digressions include Bob’s Big Boy, Margaret Thatcher and the Fonz. 

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• 1970 GTO Humbler commercial 
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• Howard Weitzman on John DeLorean in 2013 
• The "better than gold" tape 
• John DeLorean Reinvented The Dream Car. Then He Totaled It.
• Delorean is Freed 
• Key Witness Against DeLorean Begins Testimony 
• Government Paid Informer 

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Mike tells Sarah the real reason Congress called a bunch of rockers to Washington D.C. Digressions include cartoon violence, sleeveless tees and Trixie Mattel. Van Halen's "Hot for Teacher" and Twisted Sister's "We're Not Gonna Take It" are dissected at length. 

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• The hearing transcript 
• Dee Snider's memoir
• Frank Zappa's memoir
• Running with the Devil: Power, Gender, and Madness in Heavy Metal Music
• Music-Evoked Emotions—Current Studies
•  Don’t Let The Man Get You Down: Rock and Roll and The Development of The Parents’ Music Resource Center
• Save the Children: The Parents’ Music Resource Center and Media Activism
• Highway to Hell: Laws, Lawsuits, and Moral Panic over Heavy Metal Music
• The Parents’ Music Resource Center: From Information to Censorship
• “Leer-Ics” or Lyrics: Teenage Impressions of Rock 'n' Roll
• Parental Advisory – Explicit Content: The Parents Music Resource Center, Conservative Music Censorship, and the Protection of Children
• Andrew Hartman’s A War for the Soul of America: A History of the Culture Wars
• The Effects of Violent Music on Children and Adolescents
• A Comparative Historical Analysis of Post-war Moral Panics and the Construction of Youth from 1938 to 2010

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Mike tells Sarah how a congressional wife started a moral crusade. Digressions include Sheena Easton, Satanic rhymes and teen homicide statistics. Ozzy Osbourne's bat story is recounted in full.

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• Save the Children: The Parents’ Music Resource Center and Media Activism
• Everything you need to know about Ozzy Osbourne biting the head off a bat in Des Moines
• Highway to Hell: Laws, Lawsuits, and Moral Panic over Heavy Metal Music, 
• The Emergence of Youth Suicide: An Epidemiologic Analysis and Public Health Perspective
• The Role of Gun Supply in 1980s and 1990s Youth Violence
• The Parents’ Music Resource Center: From Information to Censorship
• Parental Advisory – Explicit Content: The Parents Music Resource Center, Conservative Music Censorship, and the Protection of Children
• Andrew Hartman’s A War for the Soul of America: A History of the Culture Wars
• Trends in Premarital Sex in the United States, 1954–2003
• 'I'd Sell You Suicide': Pop Music and Moral Panic in the Age of Marilyn Manson
• A Comparative Historical Analysis of Post-war Moral Panics and the Construction of Youth from 1938 to 2010
• “Children Having Children,” the 1985 moral panic article in Time

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Special guest Eric Michael Garcia tells Mike and Sarah about the deep roots of a pernicious modern myth. Digressions include Mary Tyler Moore, British place names and supermodel dating habits. Mike finally gets to talk about Swedish statistical methods.

Here's some of Eric's work on autism and here's his book!

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This week, we put on our suits and head back to the courtroom. O.J. Simpson pleads not guilty, Marcia Clark finishes questioning Kato Kaelin and Bob Shapiro continues to furrow his brow. Digressions include "Speed," the Kuleshov effect and the intentional boringness of American law. In the final ten minutes, we talk briefly about the crime scene and Marcia’s reaction to it.

If you'd like to see the arraignment footage for yourself it's here.

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Mike tells Sarah how a troll-ish experiment turned a South Carolina teenager into one of the most maligned women of the 1990s. Digressions include Sally Ride, Anne Hathaway and, as usual, "Newsies." Mike struggles with the word "infirmary" throughout.

The pictures of Shannon we discuss in this episode are here.

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• Catherine Manegold's "In Glory's Shadow: Shannon Faulkner, the Citadel, and a Changing America"
• Susan Faludi’s “The Naked Citadel”
• Marching In Step: The Citadel And Post World War II America 
• A Judicial Blow for "Jane Crowism" at The Citadel in Faulkner v. Jones
• The Citadel's Lone Wolf, Shannon Faulkner
• Surviving the Company of Men
• Shannon Faulkner and The Citadel: The Effects of Using Litigation as an Instrument of Social Reform
• Saving The Males: The Sociological Implications of the Virginia Military Institute and the Citadel (since we recorded this episode we've learned that the author of this piece has been accused of sexual harassment. Apologies for not mentioning it on the show!)
• Single-Sex Education: New Perspectives and Evidence on a Continuing Controversy

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This week we talk about the early days of Paula and O.J.’s relationship and the celebrity cameos reach either a high or a low point. Digressions include date etiquette,  cat scams and room-temperature Diet Coke. Mike has his head in his hands for long periods. 

In this episode we discuss domestic abuse, including the violence Nicole Brown Simpson experienced and the circumstances of her 911 calls.

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This week we return to the  O.J. Simpson trial and learn what Paula Barbieri did after the Bronco chase. Digressions include fish, beef and grocery shopping while conventionally attractive. Neither co-host has a firm grasp on the meaning of the word "festive."

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• Paula on "Primetime Live" 
• The Time cover 

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Mike tells Sarah the complicated story of an over-simplified study. Digressions include Tonya Harding, "The Meg" and Kitty Genovese. The Milgram obedience studies and the "broken windows" theory of policing receive bonus debunkings.

Thanks to Thibault Le Texier for helping us with this episode! Here's his book, "The History of a Lie," and the English-language summary, "Debunking the Stanford Prison Experiment."

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• The Original Study
• Philip Zimbardo's "The Lucifer Effect"
• Zimbardo's 1973 NYT article
• David Jaffee’s precursor study at Toyon Hall
• Ben Blum's "The Lifespan of a Lie"
• The Stanford prison experiment in introductory psychology textbooks: A content analysis
• The Real Lesson of the Stanford Prison Experiment
• Revisiting the Stanford Prison Experiment: Could Participant Self-Selection Have Led to the Cruelty?
• Interpersonal Dynamics in a Simulated Prison: A Methodological Analysis
• The Obedience Alibi: Milgram's Account of the Holocaust Reconsidered
•  Obedience in Perspective: Psychology and the Holocaust
• Unchaining the Stanford Prison Experiment: Philip Zimbardo’s famous study falls under scrutiny
• The Secrets of Abu Ghraib Revealed: American Soldiers on Trial

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Mike tells Sarah what makes older Americans more vulnerable to misinformation — and who is delivering it to them. Digressions include "Supernatural," the Rachel and a fake university in Pennsylvania. We recorded this episode before the election but tried not to make it too obvious.

Here's the article Mike wrote with all the research he did for this episode: 

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Sarah tells Mike about the thrilling conclusion to a children’s labor action and an overlooked Disney musical. Digressions include cronuts, carrier pigeons and Sylvester Graham’s crackers.  Both hosts agree that they love saying the word "papes."

Most of the information in this episode comes from Sarah's two new favorite books, Vincent DiGirolamo’s “Crying the News” and David Nasaw’s “Children of the City.” And here's the link to the newsboy footage we watched: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gatfLuD-Do

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Sarah tells Mike about media history, labor organizing, century-old moral panics — and the unlikely Disney musical that introduced her to all three. Digressions include Sting, "The Princess Bride" and 19th century graphic design. Both co-hosts recount their extremely millennial work histories.

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Was Harvey Milk's killer really given a light sentence after claiming that junk food made him do it? Mike's spinoff podcast, Maintenance Phase, dives into the rumor and finds a very You're Wrong About twist. 

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Topical episode! Special guest Jamelle Bouie tells Sarah and Mike about his problematic Founding Father faves and the bewildering institution they handed down to us. Digressions include '70s lapels, "Reversal of Fortune" and the Eurovision Song Contest. The filibuster rule and the three-fifths compromise receive bonus debunkings.

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“You can be a hot mess express and still leave the world better than you found it.” In the final episode of our series, we talk about Diana’s untimely death and the everlasting conspiracy theories surrounding it. Digressions include RPGs, Madonna and Tickle Me Elmo. This episode contains spoilers for the movie “The Queen.”

Here's the photos and clips we talked about in this episode:
https://rottenindenmark.org/2020/11/09/princess-diana-part-5/

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This week, Diana leaves the royal family with her reputation intact and her title slightly edited. Digressions include "Love Actually," "Pride and Prejudice" and Marie Antoinette. Both co-hosts reveal their staunch affirmative stance on wine moms. Unfortunately, this episode includes descriptions of self-harm.

Here's the photos and clips we talked about in this episode:
https://rottenindenmark.org/2020/11/01/princess-diana-part-4-the-divorce/

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What if the scariest thing in America is unfettered capitalism and unaccountable corporations?

Sources: https://rottenindenmark.org/2018/06/30/the-exxon-valdez-oil-spill/

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 Mike comes on Sarah’s new show to talk about robots, dads, the little metal hands guys and "Terminator 2: Judgment Day." An Oops! All Pop Culture episode of You’re Wrong About.

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Mike has a new podcast! Here's the first episode, in which he debunks the absurd Cold War trauma factory that was once administered to 75% of American children. 

If you want to subscribe to Maintenance Phase, click here: http://maintenancephase.com

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This week, Mike and Sarah dissect the Creepy Encounters subreddit and how to handle our creepy feelings in an unsafe time and place.  Digressions include Carol Kane, McDonald's and Uber.  Sarah wonders if human traffickers have taken serial killers’ jobs. 

Here's Mike's new podcast! http://maintenancephase.com

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• "I was almost sex trafficked and didn’t realize until nearly a year later"
• "Homeless lady approaches my car while i’m eating alone at the Mcdonald’s, doesn’t realize i’m not stupid"
• "Do not let your Uber Driver cancel your ride while in the car"

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This week, Diana swaps out her husband for a Horse Dude and Mike and Sarah act out other people's PG-13 dirty talk. Digressions include shoulder pads, Billy Joel and "Seinfeld" (twice!). There's a moment 55 minutes in that is going to make you feel very weird. As with previous installments, this episode contains detailed descriptions of disordered eating.

Here's the photos we talked about in this episode:
https://rottenindenmark.org/2020/10/11/princess-diana-part-3-the-affairs/

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This week, Diana gets married, joins her new family and meets the press.
Digressions include Judy Garland, Edward Cullen and the AITA subreddit. Unfortunately, this episode includes detailed descriptions of suicide attempts and eating disorders.

Here's the photos we talked about in this episode:
https://rottenindenmark.org/2020/10/05/princess-diana-part-2-the-wedding/

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We start our new series with the story of a girl, a prince and the society that convinced them they liked each other. Digressions include camels, Beyoncé and the idiosyncrasies of British place names. We're sorry to say that this episode has detailed descriptions of disordered eating.

Here's a link to the photos and clips we discuss in this episode: https://rottenindenmark.org/2020/09/28/princess-diana-part-1-the-courtship/

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• Andrew Morton's "Diana: Her True Story in Her Own Words"
• Tina Brown's "The Diana Chronicles"
• Hillary Mantel's "Royal Bodies"
• Zoë Heller's "Where Prince Charles Went Wrong" (Mike said it was Adam Gopnik on the show! That sucks and he's sorry!)

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For our 100th episode, American Hysteria host Chelsey Weber-Smith visits our campfire to tell us about the time America was besieged by a killer clown panic ... and then the time it happened all over again. Digressions include Jon Stewart, "The Blair Witch Project" and John Wayne Gacy. Sarah coyly references the Hartford circus fire several times but no one seems to notice.”

If you want to skip the 100th-episode stuff, the Clown Content begins around 10:15.

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American Hysteria on the web: https://www.chelseywebersmith.com/americanhysteria
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& on Twitter: @amerhysteria 

Chelsey's "Phantom Clowns" episode:
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/american-hysteria/id1441348407
https://open.spotify.com/show/4VjkwFSQpgnHwugtqJwSxD

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“It’s like these men are being held in a bubble as science marches forward.” Mike tells Sarah how one of history's most unethical experiments came crashing down. Digressions include the history of penicillin, the power of TV movies and the mysterious diagnosis of "Satan's crabs." This episode is happier than the last one, but still contains a lot of racist language and some grisly Nazi examples toward the beginning.

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• Under the Shadow of Tuskegee: African Americans and Health Care
• Examining Tuskegee: The Infamous Syphilis Study and Its Legacy
• Bad Blood: The Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment
• Medical Apartheid: The Dark History of Medical Experimentation on Black Americans from Colonial Times to the Present
• The Tuskegee Syphilis Study: Medical Research versus Human Rights
• “There Wasn't a Lot of Comforts in Those Days:” African Americans, Public Health, and the 1918 Influenza Epidemic
• The Study Of Untreated Syphilis In The Negro Male
• Racism and Research: The Case of the Tuskegee Syphilis Study
• The 1972 Ebony article
• The Discovery of Penicillin—New Insights After More Than 75 Years of Clinical Use
• Syphilis Victims in U.S. Study Went Untreated for 40 Years
• The Rhetoric of Dehumanization: An Analysis of Medical Reports of The Tuskegee Syphilis Project

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Mike tells Sarah about the longest "non-therapeutic" experiment in medical history. Digressions include deep fried ice cream, Kato Kaelin and a hot-yoga cabinet. As a warning, this episode contains long quotes from eugenic memos and detailed descriptions of medical racism. We promise to do a happier episode soon.

Huge thanks to Susan Reverby, Vanessa Northington Gamble and Lillian Head for helping Mike with the research for this episode!

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• Under the Shadow of Tuskegee: African Americans and Health Care
• Examining Tuskegee: The Infamous Syphilis Study and Its Legacy
• Bad Blood: The Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment
• Medical Apartheid: The Dark History of Medical Experimentation on Black Americans from Colonial Times to the Present
• The Tuskegee Syphilis Study: Medical Research versus Human Rights
• Rethinking the Tuskegee Syphilis Study: Nurse Rivers, Silence and the Meaning of Treatment
• “There Wasn't a Lot of Comforts in Those Days:” African Americans, Public Health, and the 1918 Influenza Epidemic
• The Study Of Untreated Syphilis In The Negro Male
• Nurse Eunice Rivers: Marching to Doctor's Orders in the Tuskegee Syphilis Study in the Jim Crow South
• Racism and Research: The Case of the Tuskegee Syphilis Study
• The Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment: Medical Ethics, Constitutionalism, and Property in the Body
• The Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment: Biotechnology And The Administrative State

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This week, Sarah makes a Nancy Grace-style argument against the prosecution. Digressions include '90s romantic comedies, Betty Broderick and flatscreen TVs.


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Sarah tells Mike about her new foray into Dad Studies and, for the second time this week, discusses a horror movie about families from 1975 and sings a little.

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Sarah tells Mike about the real-life conspiracy written between the lines of a 1970s horror novel. Digressions include "Rosemary's Baby (again), Disney World (of course), a brief history of the American pharmaceutical industry and a long recipe for stew.

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• "She Touched Me" from "Drat! The Cat!" -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G69_Fx_YVuU
• The Carousel of Progress- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmrSiJTMf7s
• The Magic Worlds of Walt Disney – National Geographic August 1963 -- https://disneyavenue.wordpress.com/category/national-geographic-aug-63/
• "More Work for Mother" by Ruth Schwartz Cowan https://www.google.com/books/edition/More_Work_For_Mother/9YM1tAEACAAJ?hl=en
• "The Age of Anxiety" by Andrea Tone https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Age_of_Anxiety/sgkXBQAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=age+of+anxiety&printsec=frontcover
• "The Battered Parent Syndrome" ad for Milton - http://www.bonkersinstitute.org/medshow/fembps1.html
• "The Magic Bullet" by Heather Radke, on Miltown - https://www.topic.com/the-magic-bullet
• "The Family That Built an Empire of Pain" by Patrick Radden Keefe, on the Sackler family -- https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/10/30/the-family-that-built-an-empire-of-pain
• "Dopesick" by Beth Macy https://www.google.com/books/edition/Dopesick/23BBDwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=dopesick+macy&printsec=frontcover

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In another "mini" episode that accidentally turned mega, Mike tells Sarah about the Wayfair conspiracy theory and the sketchy statistical screenshots that have shown up in its wake. Digressions include "Inside Llewyn Davis," Miranda Priestley and (sigh) Jeffrey Epstein. This episode contains, we're sorry to say, detailed descriptions of child abuse.

We recommend listening to this episode alongside our "Human Trafficking" episode from last year, which contains much more context for understanding this issue: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/human-trafficking/id1380008439?i=1000465289965

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Mike tells Sarah how a silly sports promotion galvanized a reactionary movement. Digressions include “Charlotte’s Web,” Jane Fonda and German-language musicals. Songs are dissected; the honor of David Bowie and late-night salad bars are defended.

Huge thanks to historians Tavia Nyong'o, Eric Gonzaba, Luis-Manuel Garcia and Gillian Frank for helping Mike with this episode!

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• Tavia Nyong'o's "I Feel Love: Disco and Its Discontents"
• Gillian Frank's excellent article on disco and his delightful podcast
• Luis-Manuel Garcia's alternate history of club culture and dissection of the gay left's opposition to disco
• Alice Echols' "Hot Stuff"  
• Bill Brewster and Frank Broughton's "Last Night a DJ Saved My Life: The History of the Disc Jockey"   
• Tim Lawrence's "Love Saves the Day: A History of American Dance Music Culture, 1970-1979" 
• Peter Shapiro's "Turn the Beat Around: The Secret History of Disco"
• Undone did a great episode on Disco Demolition Night
• “The Flip Sides of 1979”
• “Tribal Rites of the New Saturday Night,” the (fabricated) New York Magazine story that inspired “Saturday Night Fever”
• Tony Smith interview
• "Disco and The Queering of the Dance Floor"

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Mike tells Sarah about the most common forms of violence in America and how they differ (twist!) from what gets shown on TV. Digressions include Perry Mason, “It’s A Wonderful Life” and fruit-toting strategies. Mike appears not to understand the meaning of the term “order of magnitude.”

This episode contains descriptions of police violence; the last 15 minutes are just a huge bummer generally.

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