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Deep State Radio

Deep State Radio

Twice a week, this podcast will take you on a smart, direct, sometimes scary, sometimes profane, sometimes hilarious tour of the inner workings of American power and of the impact of our leaders and their policies on our standing in the world. Hosted by noted author and commentator David Rothkopf and featuring regulars Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law School, Kori Schake of Stanford University and David Sanger of the New York Times, the program will be the lively, smart dinner table conversation on the big issues of the day that you wish you were having...without the calories. Sometimes special guests will join the conversation and always the emphasis will be on providing the unvarnished perspectives others shy away from. Deep State Radio is the insider perspective on American national security and foreign policy that you can't find anywhere else.

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Putin Underestimated Biden and NATO: Big Mistake

All eyes remain on the border between Ukraine and Russia as the conventional wisdom is that Russia is more likely than not further invade Ukraine. President Biden is considering sending thousands of troops into the region while other NATO allies have already begun moving weapons and soldiers into Eastern Europe. What lessons has the Biden administration learned from Obama's experience with Crimea? Are there any off-ramps left for Putin to deescalate? Will this situation ultimately strengthen NATO and perceptions of American power abroad? Deep State Radio host David Rothkopf speaks with Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute, Ed Luce of the Financial Times, Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University, and Evelyn Farkas former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Russia, Ukraine, and Eurasia about these and other issues facing the United States and our Allies. Join us.

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2022-01-25
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White House Whisperers: What Should Biden Do in 2022?

It has been one year since the Biden administration came into office and was handed an economy in a tailspin, vaccines that were not available to the general public, and a democracy in dire straits. President Biden was able to get vaccines in arms and money in pockets but, given the recent legislative setbacks for Build Back Better and Voting Rights in the Senate, where does the administration go from here? DSR Host David Rothkopf discusses the future of the Biden agenda with Kavita Patel of the Brookings Institute, Norm Ornstein of the American Enterprise Institute, and Simon Rosenberg of the New Democrat Network. Don't miss it.

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2022-01-20
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Europe on the Brink

Russia seems poised to further invade Ukraine. The Biden administration continues diplomatic efforts to prevent the worst but will it be enough? What leverage can America use against Russia? How could sanctions impact Americans at home? Is there a way for Putin to walk away while saving face? DSR Host David Rothkopf discusses these and other pressing questions with Max Boot of the Council on Foreign Relations, Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute, and Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University. Find out about the current state of Russian aggression and what could happen next in this vital conversation.

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2022-01-18
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COVID at Two: Where Did We Go Wrong?

It has been two years since COVID-19 started hitting the headlines globally. As the new omicron variant is causing surging caseloads across America and around the world, it seems as though the end of this moment is very far away. What mistakes have we made? What should the Biden administration be doing next? How does the pandemic connect to the fight to protect democracy? What does the Supreme Court decision on the vaccine mandate mean for the fight against the virus? To answer these and other pressing questions, DSR Host David Rothkopf spoke with Kavita Patel of the Brookings Institution and Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Laurie Garrett. Don't miss this timely conversation.

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2022-01-13
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Machiavellian Narcissistic Psychopaths, Oh My!

Brian Klaas's research on dictators and tyrants around the globe highlighted a vital question; whether corrupt people are drawn to power or if power corrupts. His new book Corruptible Who Gets Power and How It Changes Us explores this subject and underscores the need to reform governmental systems before it is too late. DSR host David Rothkopf discusses the thesis of the book as well as the lessons it has for those working to protect American democracy with Brian in this incisive episode. Don't miss it.

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2022-01-12
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Putin and Ukraine: Don't Let the Sun Go Down on Me

On Monday, the United States and Russia spoke for hours in an attempt to forge a diplomatic end to Russian aggression towards Ukraine. Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov said that the talks resulted in "no progress" while Deputy Secretary of State Wendy Sherman made it clear that "We're not to a point where we're ready to set down texts and begin to go back and forth." To discuss the impact of these talks and what the future could look like, DSR host David Rothkopf spoke with Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute, and Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University. Will Russia further invade Ukraine? What leverage does the United States have? What is driving Putin to act this way? Find out the answers to these and other questions in this prescient conversation.


In the bonus segment for members, David Rothkopf speaks with David Sanger about his recent reporting about the sanctions that the United States may impose if Russia moves forward with a full-scale invasion.

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2022-01-11
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January 6th as You Have Never Seen it Before

With time comes perspective and it is clear now that January 6th was not an isolated event. In fact, there are real dangers in perceiving it as one, dangers that could play to the interests of the coup plotters and against the long-term interests of U.S. democracy. We seek to reframe the events of that day and where they fit in the bigger picture with Yale University historian and noted author Joanne Freeman and University of Michigan Law School professor and former U.S. attorney Barb McQuade. We promise, it's not like any discussion January 6th you've heard before...and it's one you need to hear. Join us.

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2022-01-06
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A Post-COVID Boom, a Ukraine War & the "Goulash Archipelago": Predictions for 2022

As we begin a new year, the threats around the globe remain the same. Russia may invade Ukraine, Iran's nuclear ambitions may come to fruition, and democratic backsliding continues apace around the globe. To forecast what might happen this year and offer some hope about some potential foreign policy bright spots, DSR host David Rothkopf talked with Ed Luce of the Financial Times, Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute, and David Sanger of the New York Times. Will Russia further invade Ukraine? Are we witnessing the rise of a Hungarian model for illiberal democracy? Can we avoid a cold war with China? Find out the answers to these and other questions as we look ahead to 2022. Don't wait to listen to this prescient conversation.

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2022-01-04
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Best of DSR: FILIBUSTED: GETTING TO THE TRUTH ABOUT WHAT?S WRONG WITH THE US SENATE

Senate ?institutionalists? claim the filibuster is a traditional US Senate tool that produces compromise. Nope. It?s a tool that was almost never used during the first 200 years of US history. And when it was used it was almost always used to promote a racist agenda. And now that it is used more often, it is used to obstruct and give disproportionate power to Republicans. The first step to eliminating it is understanding it and that is why we talk to veteran Senate staffer Adam Jentleson, author of an important new book ?Kill Switch: The Rise of the Modern Senate and the Crippling of American Democracy.? We discuss what has turned the U.S. Senate from ?the world?s greatest deliberative body to the place legislation goes to die? and how to fix it. Don?t miss this timely conversation.

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2021-12-29
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Best of DSR: TRUMP?S FAILED COUP ATTEMPT: HOW BAD WAS IT, HOW MUCH WORSE COULD IT HAVE BEEN, WHAT TO DO NEXT?

January 6, 2021 is a date few of us will ever forget. On that day, the president of the United States incited a mob to storm the U.S. Capitol. Five people died. Thousands more were terrorized. And now the nation holds its breath to see if the violence has been quelled or new chapters await. Donald Trump now seems certain to become the first president in U.S. history to be impeached twice and to forever be seen as the author of a failed coup attempt against the government he had sworn to protect and defend. Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law, Kori Schake of AEI, Mieke Eoyang of Third Way and David Sanger of the New York Times join us to discuss the impact of the shocking events of the sixth and where we go from here. Don?t miss it.

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2021-12-27
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2021: The Year We Realized Just How at Risk Our Democracy Is

From a year that began with January 6th to the American Rescue Plan, Build Back Better, and Beyond, 2021 has been an especially vital year for American democracy, health, and economic renewal. The review the year in politics and advise the Biden administration as to what should come next, DSR Host David Rothkopf spoke with Jennifer Rubin and E.J. Dionne of the Washington Post. Is there any hope that voting rights and vote counting will be secured in the coming year? What can Democrats do to hold onto their majorities in Congress? How should the Biden administration adjust moving forward? Find out the answers to these and other questions as we look back on politics in 2021. Don?t miss this vital conversation.

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2021-12-23
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A Look Back at the World in 2021

From January 6th to the Democracy Summit, 2021 has been an eventful year fore foreign policy and national security. To throughly review the year, adjudicate President Biden's performance, and discuss what you might have missed, DSR host David Rothkopf talked with Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University, Ed Luce of the Financial Times, Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute, and David Sanger of the New York Times. What will historians write about 2021 in 2201? How did Biden's first year in office impact the great foreign policy issues of our moment? What did we not focus on enough this year? Find out the answers to these and other questions as we look back on 2021. Don't miss this thoughtful conversation.

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2021-12-21
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Beltway Black Box Series: Zero Trust Architecture (ZTA)

The first episode of the Beltway Black Box series was a timely conversation on whether zero trust thinking represents a breakthrough in cyber-security, the hidden risks associated with it and how it is likely to impact companies and the government. Participating were an exceptional group of experts including: 

Dmitri Alperovitch, Co-Founder of CrowdStrike and Executive Chairman of the Silverado Policy Accelerator; Chase Cunningham, Chief Strategy Officer at Ericom Software;Juliette Kayyem, Chair of the Homeland Security and Security and Global Health Projects at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government;and David Sanger, Author of The Perfect Weapon and White House and National Security correspondent at the New York Times.

The conversation covers the genesis of ZTA adoption following cyber-attacks on critical infrastructure and the Biden Administration and congressional response to this change in security paradigm. The experts define ZTA in practical terms, frankly assess implementation hurdles in the private sector - including early adopter vs. laggard industries - and give actionable advice for private business and policy makers.

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2021-12-17
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Do we see a very dim light at the end of the tunnel for voting rights?

Former Chief of Staff Mark Meadows' text messages from January 6th were released by the January 6th commission and their contents revealed members of Congress and Fox News hosts begging Meadows to get Trump to make a statement. In the courts, Judge Dabney Friedrich ruled that Jan. 6 cases invoking the law against corruptly obstructing an official proceeding has been properly invoked. This opens to the door to bringing criminal charges against Meadows and potential Donald Trump. Is this a turning point? Will the January 6th insurrectionists finally be brought to justice? Could Members of Congress who aided them be ejected from the Chamber? David Rothkopf discusses these latest developments with Norm Ornstein of the American Enterprise Institute and Allison Gill of the Daily Beans and Mueller, She Wrote.


Last in the episode, the panel discusses the recent news that the Senate may be setting aside the Build Back Better legislation in favor of focusing on voting rights. Will Democrats eliminate the filibuster to protect voting rights? To find out the answers to these and other pressing questions join us!

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2021-12-16
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The Democracy Summit Has Ended. Now the Real Work Begins.

President Biden promised to hold a Summit of Democracies in the first year of his Presidency and he delivered with a 110 country virtual summit that ended last week. Ambassador Derek Mitchell, President of the National Democratic Institute, joined David Rothkopf, Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University, Ed Luce of the Financial Times, and Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute to discuss the Summit, its results, and the work left to be done. Is the Summit going to make a difference in countries where democracy is backsliding? Does America even have standing to hold such an event given the threats to democracy we face at home? How should a summit next year be different? Find out the answer to these and other questions about the future of democracy in this don't miss episode.


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2021-12-13
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Will the Supreme Court Survive the Stench of Politicization

The court is poised to overturn Roe V. Wade which will change forever not only the way abortion rights are treated across the country but the way that the American public views the Court. Are the Justices just political hacks? Has it always been like this? Will President Biden's commission lead to the structural reforms necessary to fix it? Host David Rothkopf sits down to discuss these and other legal issues with Dahlia Lithwick of Slate and Katie Barlow of the Words Matter Podcast and SCOTUSBlog. Don't miss this vital conversation.

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2021-12-09
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A Conversation with ABC's Jon Karl About His Book "Betrayal: The Final Act of the Trump Show"

Jon Karl's first interview with Donald Trump was 27 years ago. Looking back, he is surprised by how little Trump has changed. It's a striking observation when seen in light of the chaos and controversy of the final year of the Trump presidency. Karl's new book on that final year sheds new, often shocking light, not just on how Team Trump oversaw the mishandling of the COVID epidemic and later the cultivation of the Big Lie and an attempted coup against the United States government. It also, underscores the risks that a second Trump term could have brought with it...and might still bring. We have an in-depth conversation with Karl about the book, its revelations and his sense of whether or not Trump will be a viable candidate in 2024. Don't miss it.

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2021-12-08
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The Deepening Crisis Along the Russia-Ukraine Border

The massive Russian troop build up along the border of Ukraine might be just posturing on the part of Russia's President Vladimir Putin designed to build support for him at home. Or it might be the prelude to a dangerously destabilizing invasion. Increasingly, intelligence reports are suggesting the latter. The options for the US and the West to stop Russia or to penalize it should it act are limited and as a consequence many experts are beginning to fear the worst may come to pass. We discuss with former Obama Administration Russia and Ukraine expert Evelyn Farkas and with Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute, Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University Law School and Ed Luce of the Financial Times. Also discussed: the upcoming Democracy Summit. Don't miss it.

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2021-12-07
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A DSR Debate: Who Will Win the Power Struggle Between Big Tech and Nation States?

Big tech today rivals in influence many nation states. Even the largest and most powerful countries are debating how to contain and control tech giants who have the ability to influence their politics, their economies and their standing in the world. To explore how the coming power struggle between big technology firms and nation states will play out, we present a debate between the Eurasia Group's Ian Bremer and Stephen Walt of Harvard's John F. Kennedy School of Government. It's a thought provoking and enlightening discussion. Don't miss this special edition of Deep State Radio.

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2021-12-03
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The Worst Public Health Crisis in US History May Be About to Get Worse

We may be at another dangerous inflection point in the nearly two year long COVID pandemic. The first Omicron variant cases are appearing in the US. This new mutant version of the virus has many disturbing differences with prior iterations of COVID. President Biden has launched new steps to help contain a resurgence of the disease...but are they enough? Do we have a strategy? How will the anti-science, anti-vax, anti-mask campaign of the GOP impact this? Are new economic, social and political shocks likely to follow? We discuss these critical issues with Pulitzer Prize-winning science journalist Laurie Garrett and former Obama health policy coordinator Dr. Kavita Patel. Don't miss it.

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2021-12-02
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Master of the Game: A conversation with Martin Indyk

Martin Indyk, distinguished fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, former Ambassador of the United States to Israel, and former U.S. special envoy for the Israeli-Palestinian negotiations has written a new book entitled "Master of the Game: Henry Kissinger and the Art of Middle East Diplomacy." In the book, Ambassador Indyk examines how Henry Kissinger worked to ameliorate conflict in the Middle East rather than seek to impose peace. An approach which, Ambassador Indyk asserts, proved to be largely successful. David Rothkopf and Ambassador Indyk explore Kissinger's policy decisions, the impact he had on the Middle East, and grapple with his legacy in this can't miss conversation.

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2021-12-01
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Trump's Disastrous Decision to Get Out of the Iran Deal Has Left Us with Only Bad Options

Once upon a time, the Israeli government urged the US to get out of the Iran deal. The American president at the time, Donald Trump, obliged. Now, Israeli officials are calling the decision the worst in the past decade of Iran policy and their intel community is whispering to the US that Iran may be getting very close to the ability to produce nuclear weapons grade uranium. Meanwhile, negotiations with Iran are being resumed in Europe with very low expectations of success. What is the Biden Administration to do? We discuss their options with David Sanger of the New York Times, Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law Center and Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute. Don't miss this timely episode.

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2021-11-29
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A Pre-Thanksgiving Foreign Policy Smörgåsbord

While Americans are turning their attention towards the upcoming holiday, the news from Washington and around the world is not slowing down. Today, President Biden announced his intent to nominate Jerome Powell to serve as the chairman of the Federal Reserve for a second term, the Russian military buildup continues apace, and Chinese Tennis Star Peng Shuai's disappearance from public life following allegations against a Chinese party officials of sexual assault is causing an uproar within the tennis community. Should the Fed expand its role in regards to preventing climate change? What should America do if the Russians cross the border into Ukraine? Will the plight of Peng Shuai open the eyes of the world to the brutal realities of living in China? Hear David Rothkopf, Ed Luce of the Financial Times, Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University, and Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute discuss all of these issues and more during this can't miss conversation.

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2021-11-22
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Bannon, Rittenhouse, and Arbery: What this week's cases tell us about justice in America today

Steve Bannon was indicted for contempt of Congress but currently remains free awaiting trial. Kyle Rittenhouse stood trial in front of a judge who is barely trying to conceal his pro-defendant bias and now we await the jury's decision. Also this week, alleged assailant Travis McMichael took the stand in an effort to defend his killing of Amaud Arbery. To understand this busy week, David Rothkopf and Kavita Patel do a deep dive with Harry Litman, former U.S. Attorney, Deputy Assistant Attorney General, and host of the Talking Feds podcast. Is Merrick Garland being methodical or slow? Will America's proliferation of guns lead to more claims of self-defense? Is the judicial branch able to deliver justice? Find out in this can't miss conversation.

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2021-11-18
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Is Putin Making a Terrible Miscalculation?

Russian troops are building up along the Ukraine border. Russia's close ally Belarus has provoked a crisis on its European borders by directing refugee flows at its neighbors. Tensions are rising. Are the Russians counting on the US and our NATO allies to be reluctant to respond strongly? Do they not realize that the Biden team is much more inclined toward a tough stance toward Russia than the last two U.S. administrations? Will they go too far? We discuss with former US Ambassador to NATO and CEO of the Chicago Council on Global Affairs Ivo Daalder, Brookings Institution European scholar Constanze Stelzenmuller and Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute. Join us.


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2021-11-15
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Is America Too Dysfunctional to Remain a Superpower?

Gerald Seib wrote in a recent column in the Wall Street Journal that the greatest threat to American national security is our own divisions. However, that isn't the only existential threat that the United States faces. Russia and China are testing the United States's cyber defenses and Climate Changes continues to be a central focus as COP26 moves forward in Glasgow. Can America have a strong foreign policy if there are such drastic changes between administrations? How is the Biden administration pushing back against adversaries in cyberspace? Are statements coming out of COP26 just "blah blah blah"? David Rothkopf discusses these and other issues with Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University, David Sanger of the New York Times, and Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute. You won't want to miss this illuminating conversation.

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2021-11-08
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On Renewal: A Conversation with Anne-Marie Slaughter

Anne-Marie Slaughter, CEO of the New America Foundation, former head of policy planning at the State Department, has written a new book entitled "Renewal: From Crisis to Transformation in Our Lives, Work and Politics." It could not be more timely, using an experience from Slaughter's professional life to begin an investigation into the honesty required to grow not just as individuals but as a country. It touches upon themes that were dominant in Tuesday's elections and we discuss those themes and more with the author on this latest special episode of DSR. Don't miss it.

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2021-11-08
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The Sky may not be Falling... but it Certainly is on Fire

The Democrats had a bad night on Tuesday as Glenn Youngkin won the governorship in Virginia and Phil Murphy was barely able to hang on in New Jersey. However, what those results mean remains very unclear. Did Congress's failure to pass the Build Back Better agenda lead to apathy amongst the party faithful? Do Democrats need better candidates? Was this just a thermostatic turn against the party in power? What should the Democrats do to correct course before the midterms? David Rothkopf and Kavita Patel work through these and other questions facing Democratic leaders in the run up to 2022 and 2024 with David Corn of Mother Jones and Jonathan Alter of MSNBC. Don't miss this important discussion.

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2021-11-04
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The Good, the Bad and the Obscene: An Economic Policy Conversation with Jason Furman

While in Europe and in Congressional negotiations, President Biden has brought the global minimum corporate tax closer to reality. Congressional Democrats are debating SALT cap repeal and taxing unrealized capital gains. The Federal Reserve is tapering bond purchases. How should we see these developments? What will their consequences be? How will this impact the political climate in 2022 and beyond? David Rothkopf and Ed Luce of the Financial Times discuss these and other economic issues with Jason Furman, former Chief Economist to President Obama and Aetna Professor of the Practice of Economic Policy at Harvard University. Don't miss this vital conversation.


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2021-11-03
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Biden in Europe: Give Credit Where it is Due...and Let's Acknowledge Where More Can Be Done

President Biden is on his second international trip. He started this weekend at the G20 in Rome and is now in Glasgow for the COP26. The trip has already proven productive with President Biden advancing the global corporate minimum tax and striking a new US-EU Steel and Aluminum trade deal. He smoothed over relations with France. And made it clear the US wants to lead on climate. But what more should be done? What more can be done given US domestic politics? David Rothkopf discusses the near and long-term implications of these meetings with Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute, Rosa Brooks of the Georgetown University Law Center, and Ben Pauker of Politico. You won't want to miss it.

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2021-11-01
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Are We About to Build Back Better? Are We About to Get Serious About January 6th Accountability?

The President and Democratic leaders announced that they are on the verge of transformative legislation that will help children, elders, the environment, our infrastructure, and our growth as a country. When will being on the verge became signed legislation? And will that be accompanied on a parallel track with finally beginning to see some accountability on the January 6 coup attempt? We discuss the first set of developments with Norm Ornstein of AEI and Dr. Kavita Patel of the Brookings Institution and the second set of issues with former US Acting Solicitor General Neal Katyal and NYU Law Professor and co-editor of "Just Security" Ryan Goodman. Join us.

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2021-10-29
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Only the Rich Can Play: A Conversation with David Wessel

Opportunity Zones sounded like a great idea, provide tax benefits for wealthy Americans to invest in 8,000 areas in the United States that don't receive enough investment and development and everyone wins. Unfortunately, as David Wessel describes in his new book "Only the Rich Can Play: How Washington Works in the New Gilded Age", the vast majority of the benefits of these zones went to the wealthy instead of the communities they were meant to help. This far ranging conversation hits on the roots of this policy failure as well as the latest plans from Democrats to tax billionaires and the global minimum tax on corporations championed by Janet Yellen. You won't want to miss it.

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2021-10-27
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Managing Mega-Threats: From China to Facebook...and a Biden Foreign Policy Report Card

As the Biden Administration shifts the focus of U.S. foreign policy to emerging issues and how America can lead in the century ahead, certain megapowers loom as complex threats. One is China. Another is Big Tech and how, if at all, its destabilizing and dangerous tendencies can be managed. Ed Luce of the Financial Times and Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute discuss. And then we move on to an evaluation of Biden Administration foreign policy so far, the impact of Secretary Blinken's efforts to return diplomacy to centrality in our international relations and what can be done in the next couple years to do better. Join us.  

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2021-10-25
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America is Just Going to Have to Learn to Accept Good News

The Biden Administration, it seems, is on the verge of winning approval for its Build Back Better Package. If the deal is roughly as reported it will be between $1.5 and 2 trillion in fully paid for investments in America. Which means that in this year alone the Biden Administration will have overseen investments of $5 Trillion in the economy, the creation of 5 million jobs (more than the last three GOP administrations added up), distribution fo 200 million plus vaccines, significant economic growth, and much more. You wouldn't know it from reading the press or following social media, but understanding just how big and beneficial all this is may be key to Democratic victories in 2022 which will be essential to preserving democracy in the U.S. We discuss how we got here and how to frame these achievements going forward with California Representative Ro Khanna, the Washington Post's Greg Sargent and Dr. Kavita Patel, formerly of the Obama White House. Don't miss this crucial conversation.

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2021-10-22
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Spy World Frenemies

Mossad?s got a killer new boss and the US is buying China-made drones. Jeff Stein and Jeanne Meserve drill down on both.

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2021-10-21
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There is Nothing for You Here: A Conversation with Fiona Hill

Fiona Hill may have risen to public prominence during Donald Trump's first impeachment but there is much more to her story than just her time in the White House. In her new book "There is Nothing for You Here: Finding Opportunity in the Twenty-First Century", she describes her journey from a coal-mining town in Northern England to studying in Moscow and ultimately to serving three different Presidents. Hill argues that expanding opportunity rather than clinging to the past is the only way to save democracy in America and elsewhere and that Putin and Trump are more alike than you may think. We discuss this fascinating new book with Fiona in a can't miss conversation. Join us.

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2021-10-20
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How Many Times Over Must We Be Able to Destroy the World to Prove We are Not Wimps?

America's nuclear weapons submarine fleet has the capability to produce something like 40,000 Hiroshimas. But it is just one leg in our nuclear forces. What possible reason, asks our guest Joe Cirincione of the Quincy Institute, for possessing that kind of destructive force? For giving the president sole authority to launch a first strike? We discuss these and other nuclear modernization choices facing the Biden Administration with Joe as well regulars David Sanger of the New York Times, Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute and Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law School. We also take time to reflect on the legacy of the late General Colin Powell. Join us.

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2021-10-18
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How Many Commissions, Presidents and Senators Does It Take to Change a Supreme Court?

The first report from the commission looking at ways to change the Supreme Court is out and its conclusions are...well, they seem to be thoughtful but unlikely to produce change in the near future. For folks concerned about the politicization of the court, that's a problem. Where do we go from here? We discuss with the Media Editor of SCOTUSblog & host of the "Words Matter" podcast, attorney and journalist, Katie Barlow and our co-hosts Dr. Kavita Patel of the Brookings Institution and David Rothkopf. Join us for an important discussion about these and other recent developments in our not-terribly-well-functioning justice system.

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2021-10-15
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The Peanut Butter Spies, CIA?s China Initiative & Secret Service Burnout

Washington Post intelligence reporter Shane Harris discusses odd happenings in the spook world with Jeff Stein, and former Secret Service Special Agent Jonathan Wackrow analyses a new report on tanking morale in the uniformed division with Jeanne Meserve.

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2021-10-14
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Everything is Peachy Keen

President Biden is on the verge of a transformational victory... or is he. We discuss the state of the negotiations around his Build Back Better agenda and how Democrats can get this legislation on the President's desk with political commentator Karen Finney and Kavita Patel, former senior Obama White House official. This is a pivotal time and these negotiations will impact the lives of Americans for years to come. Don't miss this conversation.

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2021-10-08
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For Your Eyes Only

Legendary ?Condor? author James Grady discusses James Bond?s evolving cinematic villains with Jeff Stein, and Jeanne Meserve digs into the massive hack of a far-right server with extremist expert Heidi Beirich.

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2021-10-07
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Voter, Heal Thyself: A Conversation with Tom Nichols

Tom Nichols has become an essential voice for audiences trying to make sense of current trends in American politics. His book "The Death of Expertise" was a landmark volume offering key insights into why our society was faltering. His latest, "Our Own Worst Enemy" continues the journey. For those hoping for a magical solution, a white knight, a top down solution for American political dysfunction, this book will be frustrating but eye-opening. Nichols believes, rightly in our view, that the answer starts with each of us, with a civic minded populace remaking our political culture from the ground up. We discuss this new book with Tom in a conversation you won't want to miss. Join us.

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2021-10-06
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Biden's Multi-Tiered China Policy is a Far Cry from Trump's

Trump China policy architect Peter Navarro was described by one of his colleagues as a "fucking sociopath." Trump China policy included looking the other way from human rights abuses, seeking trademarks for Ivanka's businesses and extreme Tweets. Biden's is evolving as something very very different--mature, multilayered and reflecting the complexity of the evolving relationship between the world's two major powers. We discuss the latest developments with David Sanger of the New York Times, Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law School and Ed Luce of the Financial Times. We also discuss whether Sioux Falls, South Dakota exists or not and why that matters. Don't miss the latest Deep State Radio, the official podcast of the Deep State.

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2021-10-04
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When Did Old People Being Able to Hear or Chew Their Food Become Marxism?

The Washington debate over whether and how much to invest in our infrastructure and our people has reached a telling and pivotal moment. We discuss the moment and where it is likely to lead with EJ Dionne of the Washington Post, Norm Ornstein of AEI and Dr. Kavita Patel, former of the Obama White House. Much hangs in the balance here and the real story is not coming out in the media or, often, out of the mouths of political leaders. We try to shed some light on what is really happening. Don't miss it.

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2021-10-01
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Head Case

From Vietnam to Vienna, reported cases of Havana Syndrome are on the rise. Diplomats, intelligence officials and their families are experiencing debilitating symptoms including headaches, dizziness, nausea and memory loss. Dr. James Giordano, Professor of Neurology and Biochemistry at Georgetown University Medical Center, has been investigating Havana Syndrome since the first cases were reported and discusses what we know, and what we still need to learn, with Jeanne Meserve. 


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2021-09-30
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Europe and the Atlantic Alliance After Merkel: What Next?

Most Americans don't give much thought to German politics--and that's a good thing given that when we once did it was because those politics were a disaster. But with the departure of Germany's chancellor of the past 16 years, Angela Merkel, it is time we did. Germany is not only a vital ally but thanks in large part to Merkel's leadership, it is a global leader of significance. What comes next in our relationship--especially as the US continues to prioritize its pivot to Asia. We discuss with Ed Luce of the Financial Times, Kori Schake of AEI and Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law Center. Join us.

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2021-09-27
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Is Now a Time for Hope or Preparing for the Worst with the Pandemic?

Time after time, COVID has delivered worst case scenarios. So why, now, would we rely on our hope that those scenarios--new variants, failures of leadership, new outbreaks--will not occur? Will the holidays bring people back together? Or will they see a worsening situation? What should our leaders be doing that they're not? What should we be doing to take care of ourselves? We talk with Pulitzer Prize-winning science journalist Laurie Garrett and former senior Obama WH official and practicing physician Dr. Kavita Patel. Join us for a must listen special edition of Deep State Radio.

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2021-09-24
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Accidents Will Happen

Chinese espionage expert Matthew Brazil and Jeff Stein break down the controversy about Joint Chiefs Chairman Mark Milley?s backchannel contact with his Chinese counterpart, and Jeanne Meserve and transnational crime expert Tom Sanderson discuss the emergence of Talibani Afghanistan as a terrorist state. 

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2021-09-23
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"8 Year-Old Assholes Cannot be Shamed": The Big National Security Scandal Nobody is Talking About

After 9/11, investigators concluded one of the factors that put America at risk was that only 57 percent of nominees for top national security positions had been confirmed by the Congress and were in place. Today, that number is just over 26 percent. Random holds on nominees for indefensibly political reasons are putting this country at risk. The two worst offenders? Senators Cruz and Hawley. We discuss this with expert Loren deJonge Schulman, VP for Research at the Partnership for Public Service as well as AEI's Kori Schake, the FT's Ed Luce and Georgetown Law's Rosa Brooks. We also discuss Kori's and Rosa's prominent opeds on the controversy surrounding General Mark Milley. Plus a little bit about French submarines. Don't miss it.

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2021-09-21
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Sometimes the unthinkable happens: A conversation with Rebecca Frankel

?Into the Forest? by Rebecca Frankel is more than just one of the best books of the year, it is a revealing journey into what makes us human?the good, the bad, the noble and the horrific. It reads like a great novel and contains much of the drama and resonance you would expect from such a work but also is infused with the detail that comes of great journalism.  We speak with the author, former Executive Editor of Foreign Policy, Rebecca Frankel, author of the New York Times best-seller ?War Dogs? about her books and what it means in the context of our own times.  Join us.

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2021-09-17
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