Scriptnotes Podcast

John and Craig lawyer up with criminal defense attorney Ken White (aka Popehat) to look at legal scenes in movies and TV, and separate the tropes from the truth.

How do lawyers actually prepare a case? Will they meet a client in jail? Do they need to gather evidence themselves? And what happens when they go to trial? What are the rules for examining witnesses? How often do people represent themselves in court? And do judges really bang their gavel like that?

In our bonus segment for premium members, John and Craig invite Ken to imagine traveling somewhere worse than prison ? the beach.

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Ken White on BlueSky, Facebook and Threads Serious Trouble podcast The Popehat Report by Ken White Hello, My Name Is Stephen Glass, and I?m Sorry by Hanna Rosin for The New Republic LibreOffice Sovereign Citizens Getting Owned The Rest is History podcast Get a Scriptnotes T-shirt! Check out the Inneresting Newsletter Gift a Scriptnotes Subscription or treat yourself to a premium subscription! Craig Mazin on Threads and Instagram John August on Threads, Instagram and Twitter John on Mastodon Outro by Lou Stone Borenstein (send us yours!) Scriptnotes is produced by Drew Marquardt and edited by Matthew Chilelli.

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John and Craig look at four unbelievable stories in the news and ask, How Would This Be a Movie? Stories include a finance journalist who was scammed out of her savings, men who offer dating bounties, a franken-sheep made of cloned animal parts, and how standardized tests changed one woman?s life.

We also reveal which modern classics we?ve never seen (We meant to! We?re sorry!) to decide which ? if any ? we need to watch. But first, we follow up on D&D for kids, ESL, AI in reality TV, and Tiffany problems before answering listener questions on formats and recommending your spouse.

In our bonus segment for premium members, John and Craig look at new guidelines for AI and how they might affect our future.

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Weekend Read 2 ?Creep? post by @davo_arid on Twitter Full list of movies we haven?t seen The Day I Put $50,000 in a Shoe Box and Handed It to a Stranger by Charlotte Cowles for The Cut Wanted: True Love. Reward: $100,000 by Angela Chen for the NYT Montana Man Pleads Guilty to Creating Massive Franken-Sheep With Cloned Animal Parts by Matt Novak for Gizmodo How the SAT Changed My Life by Emi Nietfeld for the NYT D.C. ? What It Is Fighting Fantasy books LA Hero Workshop Sodalitas OSR?s Oz and Neverland Questlings Color My Quest WyrdScouts The Excellents and Nancy Druid Hero Kids TTRPGkids Hide?n?Treat and Snuffle Mat Jaina Grey?s reviews for WIRED Get a Scriptnotes T-shirt! Check out the Inneresting Newsletter Gift a Scriptnotes Subscription or treat yourself to a premium subscription! Craig Mazin on Threads and Instagram John August on Threads, Instagram and Twitter John on Mastodon Outro by Tim Brown (send us yours!) Scriptnotes is produced by Drew Marquardt and edited by Matthew Chilelli.

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John welcomes back Pamela Ribon (Nimona, My Year of Dicks) to quietly ask: what?s with all the whispering in movies these days? They discuss trends and techniques in voice and volume, picking the right moment to whisper, and the value of voices across decibel levels.

We also revisit Pamela?s work on Moana to look at what you can learn from reading early drafts, ponder the threat of TikTok and YouTube, follow-up on vetting potential co-workers, and answer a listener question on writing animation.

In our bonus segment for premium members, Pam shares all her star-studded stories from sitting in the 5th row at this year?s Oscars.

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Pamela Ribon on Instagram Listen to Sassy My Year of Dicks Nimona on Netflix Hire Survivors Hollywood Dune: Part Two Clip ?Fundie Baby Voice? Seems To Be Everywhere Now. Here?s What You Should Know by Caroline Bologna for Huffpost In a World ? Smoothie Natural Born Killers 1990 Draft Natural Born Killers 1993 Draft Lin-Manuel Miranda on ?I Want? Songs, Going Method for ?Moana? and Fearing David Bowie More (Outtake) from Moana How Far I?ll Go from Moana How Bad Can It Get for Hollywood? by Mark Harris for NYT This Sitcom Got WEIRD When Nobody Watched It by David Friedman Researching An Old Sitcom With AI by David Friedman Coucou French classes Get a Scriptnotes T-shirt! Check out the Inneresting Newsletter Gift a Scriptnotes Subscription or treat yourself to a premium subscription! Craig Mazin on Threads and Instagram John August on Threads, Instagram and Twitter John on Mastodon Outro by Vincent DeVito (send us yours!) Scriptnotes is produced by Drew Marquardt with help from Chris Csont, and edited by Matthew Chilelli.

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John and Craig wring their hands and ask, how do you make sure the person you?re hiring isn?t a monster? They look at best practices for vetting colleagues, sussing out problematic people, and managing your own emotions when you?re the person with power.

We also discuss writing for non-native English speakers, using three examples to illustrate the importance of syntax, musicality and authenticity. But first, we answer listener questions on giving notes and kids playing D&D.

In our bonus segment for premium members, we spill the kool-aid on our fears and fascinations with cults.

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Strands from the New York Times Anatomy of a Fall ? Clip Past Lives by Celine Song Irma Vep ? Clip Is This Hollywood?s #MeanToo Moment? by David Mack for Slate How to play Dungeons and Dragons for kids RuPaul Doesn?t See How That?s Any of Your Business by Ronan Farrow for The New Yorker Recursion ? Glitch Games Get a Scriptnotes T-shirt! Check out the Inneresting Newsletter Gift a Scriptnotes Subscription or treat yourself to a premium subscription! Craig Mazin on Threads and Instagram John August on Threads, Instagram and Twitter John on Mastodon Outro by Eric Pearson (send us yours!) Scriptnotes is produced by Drew Marquardt and edited by Matthew Chilelli.

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John and Craig explore the counterfactuals of Hollywood history ? the relatively small moments that, if the coin toss had gone the other way, would have massive ramifications on the world as we know it.

What if Edison was allowed to keep his monopoly on motion pictures? What does our industry look like without the Paramount Consent Decree? What if George Lucas died in his car accident? Would superhero movies have dominated our culture if Iron Man had bombed? What studios would have gone down if Titanic had sunk? And what if Netflix had stayed with its DVD-only model?

In our bonus segment for premium members, John and Craig talk capitalism and solve its problems once and for all.

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What If? by Robert Cowley Thomas Edison: The Unintentional Founder of Hollywood by Garrett O?Brien for the Saturday Evening Post United States v. Paramount Pictures, Inc. on Wikipedia George Lucas: The Car Wreck That Changed His Life and Led Him to ?Star Wars? by Tim Ott for Biography When ?Titanic? Was Expected to Be a Huge Flop by Jake Rossen for Mental Floss ?John Carter? Changed Hollywood, but Not in the Way Disney Hoped by Richard Newby for THR Financial Interest and Syndication Rules Post-Quantum Cryptography S?more! S?more! His artisanal marshmallows were the greatest. Then he tried to scale them. by Adam Rogers Get a Scriptnotes T-shirt! Check out the Inneresting Newsletter Gift a Scriptnotes Subscription or treat yourself to a premium subscription! Craig Mazin on Threads and Instagram John August on Threads, Instagram and Twitter John on Mastodon Outro by Zach Lo (send us yours!) Scriptnotes is produced by Drew Marquardt and edited by Matthew Chilelli.

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John welcomes back John Gatins (Flight, Coach Carter) to talk about reviving a dormant project and actually getting it made ? like he just did with his new film Little Wing. They look at how films die, what brings them back to life, and go deep into the mechanics of sports movies.

We also follow up on flu tests, the Tiffany problem and pet names before answering listener questions on professionalism, mid-credit scenes, and work ethic.

In our bonus segment for premium members, John Gatins talks abut transitioning into a writing team and reveals his process of negotiating credits.

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Little Wing ? On Paramount+ March 13th John Gatins on Wikipedia and IMDb Little Wing by Susan Orlean for the New Yorker LUCIRA by Pfizer COVID-19 & Flu Home Test Merlin Bird ID The Facts of Life ? Attempted Spin-offs Get a Scriptnotes T-shirt! Check out the Inneresting Newsletter Gift a Scriptnotes Subscription or treat yourself to a premium subscription! Craig Mazin on Threads and Instagram John August on Threads, Instagram and Twitter John on Mastodon Outro by Alee Karim (send us yours!) Scriptnotes is produced by Drew Marquardt and edited by Matthew Chilelli.

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John has the flu (or does he?) and Craig is missing, so we?re going back through the vaults to look at the mechanics of mystery and suspense. How do writers exploit the audience?s curiosity? What builds and breaks their trust? How do you use suspense across genres? And what do these techniques look like on the page?

But first, we look at the current agency shakeups and share our thoughts on OpenAI?s new engine, Sora.

In our bonus segment for premium members, John and Drew talk about their experience with the Apple Vision Pro.

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Scriptnotes 269 ? Mystery vs. Confusion Scriptnotes 332 ? Wait for It A3 Artists Agency Shuts Down by Aaron Couch and Rebecca Sun for The Hollywood Reporter Verve CEO and Co-Founder Bill Weinstein Leaves Agency After 14 Years by Cynthia Littleton for Variety A few thoughts on Sora by John August GOODY-2 Meet the Pranksters Behind Goody-2, the World?s ?Most Responsible? AI Chatbot by Will Knight for Wired Claire Keegan Contextual computing with Vision Pro: My Writing Cabin by David Sparks Get a Scriptnotes T-shirt! Check out the Inneresting Newsletter Gift a Scriptnotes Subscription or treat yourself to a premium subscription! Craig Mazin on Threads and Instagram John August on Threads, Instagram and Twitter John on Mastodon Outro by Eric Pearson (send us yours!) Segments originally produced by Godwin Jabangwe and Megan McDonnell. Scriptnotes is produced by Drew Marquardt and edited by Matthew Chilelli.

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John welcomes writer and showrunner Francesca Sloane (Mr. & Mrs. Smith, Atlanta) to talk about her process of bringing a big-screen property to television. She shares how she and Donald Glover found their way into the story, how it evolved in development, building a room that was all women of color, re-writing on set, and the many lessons she learned as a first time showrunner.

We also follow up on writing partners and phonetic alphabets before answering listener questions on writing samples, casting on the page and why some screenplays are free to read.

In our bonus segment for premium members, we dig into the benefits (and drawbacks) of film schools and fellowships.

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Francesca Sloane on Instagram Mr. & Mrs. Smith on Amazon Prime Video ISPA: Inter-Species Phonetic Alphabet for Transcribing Animal Sounds by Masato Hagiwara, Marius Miron and Jen-Yu Liu Bluets by Maggie Nelson A Unified Theory of F-cks by Mandy Brown Get a Scriptnotes T-shirt! Check out the Inneresting Newsletter Gift a Scriptnotes Subscription or treat yourself to a premium subscription! Craig Mazin on Threads and Instagram John August on Threads, Instagram and Twitter John on Mastodon Outro by Eric Pearson (send us yours!) Scriptnotes is produced by Drew Marquardt and edited by Matthew Chilelli.

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John welcomes Celine Song (Past Lives) to chart her journey from playwright to Oscar-nominated screenwriter. We discuss the intricacies of writing bilingually, the similarities between theater and a writers room, finding the right collaborators and how writing prepared Celine for for the rigors of directing.

We also follow up on foreign courts, the Tiffany problem, and answer listener questions on American grad schools and table reads.

In our bonus segment for premium members, Celine looks back on her production of The Seagull in The Sims 4 and reflects on the importance of experimenting with form.

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Celine Song on IMDb and Instagram Past Lives The Seagull on The Sims 4 The Wheel of Time A real bald eagle call vs a red-tailed hawk Deadwood and The American President Shottr Baldur?s Gate 3 Get a Scriptnotes T-shirt! Check out the Inneresting Newsletter Gift a Scriptnotes Subscription or treat yourself to a premium subscription! Craig Mazin on Threads and Instagram John August on Threads, Instagram and Twitter John on Mastodon Outro by Nico Mansy (send us yours!) Scriptnotes is produced by Drew Marquardt and edited by Matthew Chilelli.

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John and Craig host another round of the Three Page Challenge, where they give their honest feedback on three listener-submitted scripts. They offer insights into using sound realistically, writing action that can be easily directed, finding subtext in dialogue, and navigating complex points of view.

But first, we dig into several tricky listener questions: How does a writing team discuss their individual work with their reps? When is it ok to say no to inclusive casting? And how do you break up with a producer?

In our bonus segment for premium members, we delve into tough questions and offer advice to our younger selves.

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Weekend Read 2 ROUTES by Colton W. Miller, MEGHA GENESIS by Priti Trivedi, and THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS by Eric Hunsley Delve Deck Zarak by Afghan Kitchen ? Vancouver Get a Scriptnotes T-shirt! Check out the Inneresting Newsletter Gift a Scriptnotes Subscription or treat yourself to a premium subscription! Craig Mazin on Threads and Instagram John August on Threads, Instagram and Twitter John on Mastodon Outro by Matt Davis (send us yours!) Scriptnotes is produced by Drew Marquardt and edited by Matthew Chilelli.

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John and Craig discuss the dynamics of fandom, attempting to chart how things get cool, then hot, then terrible. But how are fandoms organized? Where do subcultures start? And how should you engage with the community that forms around your work?

We also look at an alternative screenplay format from one of last year?s best screenplays, and follow up on bake-offs, distracting accuracies in fiction, and UK writing credits. We then answer questions on original songs, packaging your script, and what you can do when you suspect you?ve been ripped off.

In our bonus segment for premium members, John and Craig look at the many various fandoms and do their best to enrage them.

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The Tiffany Problem ?Harry Potter? TV Series Zeroes In On Premise As Selected Writers Pitch Their Ideas To Max WGGB Screenwriting Credits Agreement Ig Nobel Prize ? ?Please stop, I?m Bored? Anatomy of a Fall ? Screenplay Podcasters Took Up Her Sister?s Murder Investigation. Then They Turned on Her by Sarah Viren for the New York Times Geeks, MOPs, and sociopaths in subculture evolution by David Chapman Going Zero by Anthony McCarten The Devil by Jessica Mazin on Spotify Get a Scriptnotes T-shirt! Check out the Inneresting Newsletter Gift a Scriptnotes Subscription or treat yourself to a premium subscription! Craig Mazin on Threads and Instagram John August on Threads, Instagram and Twitter John on Mastodon Outro by Jessica Mazin (send us yours!) Scriptnotes is produced by Drew Marquardt and edited by Matthew Chilelli.

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The DGA surprised the town yesterday, announcing an update to their already-signed agreement with the AMPTP. The new deal includes select pay bumps and the streaming bonus gained by WGA and SAG-AFTRA after their lengthy strikes.

John and Drew are back to look at what we know about this off-cycle development and ask questions like huh? And how? And why?

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DGA Announces Revisions To Film & TV Contract, Including Addition Of Streaming Bonus To Match WGA?s by Katie Campione for Deadline John on Twitter, Instagram and Mastodon Scriptnotes is produced by Drew Marquardt

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John welcomes back Aline Brosh McKenna to look at how both you and your characters can become more ?agentic.? What are the traps and pitfalls of going after what you want? How do you get people to engage with your protagonist, especially when the protagonist is yourself?

Then it?s another round of How Would This be a Movie? We look at stories about a harm-reduction hotline, countertop cancer, loyalty testers and a mathematician who exploited the lottery.

In our bonus segment for premium members, John and Aline talk about their strange new reality of being empty nesters.

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How to be More Agentic by Cate Hall What?s Stopping You? by Neel Nanda Seven ways to become unstoppably agentic by Evie Cottrell ?Agency? needs nuance by Evie Cottrell The Woman on the Line by Aymann Ismail and Mary Harris for Slate California workers who cut countertops are dying of an incurable disease by Emily Alpert Reyes and Cindy Carcamo for the LA Times Would Your Partner Cheat? These ?Testers? Will Give You an Answer by Gina Cherelus for the New York Times The man who won the lottery 14 times by Zachary Crockett for The Hustle Musely So you wanna de-bog yourself by Adam Mastroianni Aline Brosh McKenna Get a Scriptnotes T-shirt! Check out the Inneresting Newsletter Gift a Scriptnotes Subscription or treat yourself to a premium subscription! Craig Mazin on Threads and Instagram John August on Threads, Instagram and Twitter John on Mastodon Outro by Larry Douziech (send us yours!) Scriptnotes is produced by Drew Marquardt and edited by Matthew Chilelli.

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John and Craig investigate those details that are accurate and authentic, but can pull viewers out of the story. They look for ways to balance what is realistic with what is believable, and how to get rid of distractions and keep your audience focused on what matters.

We also discuss popular names, follow up on Icelandic pronunciations and the Mazinga toy, and answer listener questions on period details, defining biopics, writing during production, and whether or not to read the script before watching the movie.

In our bonus segment for premium members, John and Craig swallow their pride and ask, how can you tell when someone is just being nice?

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First baby of the new year arrives at Dublin?s Rotunda Hospital Mazinger Z Regicide The Last of Us Comes in First at Saturday Creative Arts Emmys Get a Scriptnotes T-shirt! Check out the Inneresting Newsletter Gift a Scriptnotes Subscription or treat yourself to a premium subscription! Craig Mazin on Threads and Instagram John August on Threads, Instagram and Twitter John on Mastodon Outro by Sudarshan Kadam (send us yours!) Scriptnotes is produced by Drew Marquardt and edited by Matthew Chilelli.

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John and Craig take a look at the many For Your Consideration scripts suddenly available to read to see what lessons can be learned from movies that were actually made. They find best practices for establishing setting, using ?we see? and ?we hear,? complicated setups, directing on the page, and how to get right into your story.

We also look at the possible sale of Paramount, the International Phonetic Alphabet and setting 2024 goals, before answering listener questions on UK credits and our writing routines.

In our bonus segment for premium members, John and Craig chew on a difficult question ? would we eat lab-grown human meat?

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The Vultures Are Circling: Who Will Walk Away With Paramount? by Alex Weprin for The Hollywood Reporter The Holdovers by David Hemingson All of Us Strangers by Andrew Haigh May December by Samy Burch, story by Samy Burch & Alex Mechanik Saltburn by Emerald Fennell Killers of the Flower Moon by Eric Roth & Martin Scorsese Barbie by Greta Gerwig & Noah Baumbach Across the Spider-Verse by Phil Lord & Christopher Miller & Dave Callaham Oppenheimer by Christopher Nolan American Fiction by Cord Jefferson Weekend Read 2 Gartic Phone Dungeons & Dragons ? Waterdeep: Dungeon of the Mad Mage Get a Scriptnotes T-shirt! Check out the Inneresting Newsletter Gift a Scriptnotes Subscription or treat yourself to a premium subscription! Craig Mazin on Threads and Instagram John August on Threads, Instagram and Twitter John on Mastodon Outro by Zach Lo (send us yours!) Scriptnotes is produced by Drew Marquardt and edited by Matthew Chilelli.

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In this compendium episode, John and Craig look at how we can best articulate our characters? inner lives and get the audience invested in them. They discuss the intricacies of point of view, finding truthful emotional states, and why it?s so important for your characters to be liars.

How do you engage an audience?s empathy? What makes an audience cry? What emotional response breaks their trust? Why is point of view important, and how can it be manipulated? How can lies be used to drive a character to emotional authenticity? And what is the best way to reveal your character?s secrets?

In our bonus segment for premium members, John and Craig talk single-use characters and crown the greatest day-player of all time.

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Scriptnotes Episode 358 ? Point of View Scriptnotes Episode 472 ? Emotional States Scriptnotes Episode 151 ? Secrets and Lies Scriptnotes Episode 467 ? Another Word for Euphemism Gödel?s incompleteness theorems Get a Scriptnotes T-shirt! Check out the Inneresting Newsletter Gift a Scriptnotes Subscription or treat yourself to a premium subscription! Craig Mazin on Threads and Instagram John August on Threads, Instagram and Twitter John on Mastodon Outro by Rajesh Naroth (send us yours!) Scriptnotes is produced by Drew Marquardt and edited by Matthew Chilelli.

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John and Craig are joined by the ghosts of Scriptnotes past and present (Megana and Drew) for a festive competition: discussing the perils of studio bake-offs ? pitting writer against writer for one coveted job ? while simultaneously judging three of LA?s finest holiday cookies.

We also look at Netflix?s recently released viewership data, follow up on homonyms, AI coverage and voting, and answer a listener question on the definition of a drafts. But first, we investigate the origin of a very useful word that?s new to John and Craig.

In our bonus segment for premium members, we travel to holidays past to discuss the best presents we ever received ? and the gifts that got away.

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Netflix Viewership Data The absolutely legitimate, incredibly useful Indian English word you?re not using by Diksha Madhok Homographs The Very Best Cookie In The Whole Wide World DeLuscious Cookies Levain Bakery Clue Conspiracy Dessert Person by Claire Saffitz Upright Steamer The Kelly Clarkson Connection Get a Scriptnotes T-shirt! Check out the Inneresting Newsletter Gift a Scriptnotes Subscription or treat yourself to a premium subscription! Craig Mazin on Threads and Instagram John August on Threads, Instagram and Twitter John on Mastodon Outro by Matthew Chilelli (send us yours!) Scriptnotes is produced by Drew Marquardt and edited by Matthew Chilelli.

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John welcomes writer and director Christopher Nolan (The Dark Knight, Inception) to discuss experimentation, subjectivity and adaptation as they take an in-depth look at his screenplay, Oppenheimer.

They explore Chris? writing process, how to make non-linear structures work, finding the story in real-life events, being kinetic on the page, the importance of embracing editing, and why theme can be a tricky thing.

In our bonus segment for premium members, Chris and John muse about the difficulties of dream sequences ? and what makes them work.

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Oppenheimer ? The First Three Pages Christopher Nolan on IMDb. American Prometheus by Kai Bird and Martin J. Sherwin The Open Mind by J. Robert Oppenheimer The Shepard Tone When We Cease to Understand the World by Benjamín Labatut Infinite Mac Get a Scriptnotes T-shirt! Check out the Inneresting Newsletter Gift a Scriptnotes Subscription or treat yourself to a premium subscription! Craig Mazin on Threads and Instagram John August on Threads, Instagram and Twitter John on Mastodon Outro by Matthew Chilelli (send us yours!) Scriptnotes is produced by Drew Marquardt and edited by Matthew Chilelli.

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John and Craig look at several notable figures in the news and ask, How Would This Be a Biopic? They examine the lives of Henry Kissinger, Sandra Day O?Connor, George Santos, Rosalynn Carter, and Sam Altman to see which are best suited for the big screen, and declare once-and-for-all the proper way to pronounce ?biopic.?

We also follow up on VFX and AI, the two-column format, inner monologues, and Melissa Mazin sets the record straight on her role at Thanksgiving.

In our bonus segment for premium members, John and Craig speculate about which event in history had the biggest negative impact on human civilization.

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Sandra Day O?Connor Henry Kissinger Rosalynn Carter George Santos Sam Altman What happened at OpenAI? The Sam Altman saga, explained by Rachel Lehman for The Washington Post International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA) Fallout ? Trailer Get a Scriptnotes T-shirt! Check out the Inneresting Newsletter Gift a Scriptnotes Subscription or treat yourself to a premium subscription! Craig Mazin on Threads and Instagram John August on Threads, Instagram and Twitter John on Mastodon Outro by James Llonch (send us yours!) Scriptnotes is produced by Drew Marquardt and edited by Matthew Chilelli.

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John moderates Breaking the Stigma, a panel on addiction and mental health with guests Gemma Baker (creator of CBS?s Mom), Dr. Corey Waller (specialist in pain, addiction and emergency medicine), Dr. Holly Daniels (specialist in eating disorders and mental health issues), and journalist Zachary Siegel.

We discuss how addiction and mental health issues are portrayed in film and TV, more authentic ways of telling these stories, and how writers and creators can take care of their own mental health.

In our bonus segment for premium members, Drew joins John to talk about the etiquette of thank you notes and follow-up emails.

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Episode 412 ? Transcript Hollywood, Health & Society ? USC Annenberg Norman Lear Center Eighth Grade 6 Balloons Motivational Interviewing Narcan Gemma Baker Dr. Holly Daniels Dr. Corey Waller on Twitter Zachary Siegel on Substack and Twitter Get a Scriptnotes T-shirt! Check out the Inneresting Newsletter Gift a Scriptnotes Subscription or treat yourself to a premium subscription! Craig Mazin on Threads and Instagram John August on Threads, Instagram and Twitter John on Mastodon Outro by Matthew Chilelli (send us yours!) This episode was originally produced by Megana Rao. Scriptnotes is produced by Drew Marquardt and edited by Matthew Chilelli.

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