Hi, Spring fans! Welcome to another installment of _A Bootiful Podcast_! In this installment, [Josh Long](https://twitter.com/starbuxman) talks to Spring team legend [Stéphane Nicoll](https://twitter.com/snicoll) about Spring Boot, Apache Maven and Gradle, his journey to the Spring team, and so much more. This episode was recorded live from beautiful Barcelona, Spain, from the epic Spring I/O event in May of 2023!