This episode's guests, co-curators Karen Lemmey and Tobias Wofford, join us from the Smithsonian American Art Museum in Washington, D.C., as they talk about the exhibition The Shape of Power: Stories of Race and American Sculpture, which opened in November 2024. They talk about the origin of the show, a number of the works on view and why shows like this are so vital. The exhibition will also be featured in the January/February 2025 issue of American Fine Art Magazine, available at americanfineartmagazine.com.