In this episode of the Church Disrupted Podcast, Jeff Cochran interviews author and pastor Tommy Preson Phillips about his new book "Invisible Jesus." They ask the question, what if people aren't deconstructing and leaving the church because they don't want Jesus? But what if they are leaving the church to find Him? This conversation will challenge what you think you know about the church, following Jesus, and the deconstruction movement. It's a can't miss conversation for Christians in the moment in time we find ourselves in today. Want to support SAI financially? https://donorbox.org/sai-initial-funding-campaign Get Tommy's NEW BOOK, "Invisible Jesus," here: https://www.amazon.com/Invisible-Jesus-Leaving-Church-Looking-ebook/dp/B0CW1MS88W THANK YOU to our podcast partner, the East TN Mentorship Association! Find out more information about what they do or connect with them at https://earnyoursanctuary.com/ . TELL THEM WE SENT YOU for a special rate that is ONLY for Church Disrupted Podcast listeners. Find out more about the Spiritual Abuse Institute and the Church Disrupted Podcast at https://www.spiritualabuse.institute/. Join the church disrupted COMMUNITY here: https://discord.gg/nbWwg8Sz6Z Please Subscribe and Share! Chapters 00:00 Intro 03:04 Deconstruction: A Prophetic Movement 05:57 The Role of Pastors in Deconstruction 08:50 Power Dynamics in the Church 12:12 Rummage Sale: Reassessing Church Practices 15:06 The Impact of Technology on Faith 18:02 Love as the Foundation of Faith 21:09 Navigating Differences in Beliefs 24:00 The Future of the Church: Embracing Change 30:34 Transformative Love and Acceptance 35:10 Navigating Differences in Faith 40:54 The Role of the Church: From Performance to Community 54:17 Deconstruction and the Journey Back to Faith