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Mic Drop: Former Deputy DNI Sue Gordon: ‘it is conceivable that the world order has already been broken’

25 min • 18 april 2025

This week, as national security agencies brace for deep cuts and digital expertise is shed from their ranks, we talk to former Principal Deputy Director of National Intelligence Sue Gordon about what happens when intelligence is stuck in the past. She says the real danger isn’t what we don’t know—it’s what we stop trying to understand.

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