028 - Sandi Metz, Author of POODR (with Special Guest TJ Stankus)

Sandi, TJ and I talk about OOP in Rails; Java and COBOL; service objects and Interactors; getting bitten by snapping turtles; and Sandi's 11 bicycles.

• Practical Object-Oriented Design in Ruby
• 99 Bottles of OOP