Rebecca Evanhoe: Conversation Design for AI and UX – Episode 19

Rebecca Evanhoe Rebecca Evanhoe practices, teaches, and writes about conversation design, a key UX practice that is taking on fresh importance in the age of chat-based AI applications. Since the publication of her book Conversations with Things (co-authored with Diana Deibel) three years ago, the tech and media worlds have fundamentally transformed, but the conversation-design principles that she teaches remain as relevant as ever. We talked about: the conversation design and UX writing courses she teaches reflections on the book she co-wrote several years ago, "Conversations with Things" and the changes in the conversation-design world since how the focus on principles in a framewwork set out in their book that helps designers decide on whether or not and how to ascribe personality to a chat agent her identification as a UX designer how she's incorporating LLMs into her course curricula her take on the misappropriation of the term "prompt" in new practices called "prompting" and "prompt engineering" and their divergence from traditional use in the conversation design field the differences in the conversation designer role in the LLM world compared with NLP the linguistic concept of "conversation repair" and how it manifests in "bot land" how to adjust confidence level in conversation design how intent classification in NLU works her preference for humans and human conversation the importance of including people with a humanities background in conversation design the ongoing importance of humans in the content and conversation design process for our ability to think strategically about how to maximize the success of conversational technology Rebecca's bio Rebecca Evanhoe is an author, teacher, and conversation designer. With degrees in chemistry and fiction writing, she's passionate about how interdisciplinary thinking can combine arts, humanities, sciences, and tech. She teaches conversational UX design as a visiting assistant professor at Pratt Institute, and co-authored Conversation with Things: UX Design for Chat and Voice (Rosenfeld Media, 2021). Connect with Rebecca online LinkedIn Video Here’s the video version of our conversation: https://youtu.be/xJkB03uH8ek Podcast intro transcript This is the Content and AI podcast, episode number 19. We're all talking to computers a lot more these days - telling Alexa to set a timer, asking Midjourney to create an image for a party invitation, or prompting ChatGPT to draft an outline for a slide deck. Rebecca Evanhoe is an expert on the interaction design practices that guide these conversations. Three years ago, her book "Conversations with Things" set out a principles-based approach to conversation design that remains super-relevant in the age of large language models. Interview transcript Larry: Hi everyone. Welcome to episode number 19 of the Content and AI podcast. I am really happy today to welcome to the show Rebecca Evanhoe. Rebecca is really well known in the conversation design world. She's a conversation designer. She's the co-author of the really excellent book Conversations with Things that came out a few years ago, and she teaches conversation design and other kinds of design work at Pratt University in New York. So welcome to the show, Rebecca, tell the folks a little bit more about what you're up to these days. Rebecca: Yeah, hi Larry, it's nice to be back. Yeah, these days I am teaching, I think you said conversation design, and specifically this semester I'm teaching a class in UX writing, which I love because it doesn't matter what kind of writing I'm teaching, it's like a chance to think about language and celebrate how cool language is with my students. And yeah, I've been teaching, I am doing some work at a cool place that I won't get into here. But yeah, it's been a really interesting couple of years. Larry: Yeah, because we last talked right before your book came out,