With guest Bob Shuman

Robert Shuman was a student of Shunryu Suzuki in the San Francisco and at Tassajara  and then a student of Joshu Sasaki in LA and at Mt. Baldy and then of Philip Kapleau in Rochester.  He and his wife Hennie went to Raleigh to lead a Zen group long ago and they're still there now though their group hasn't met since Covid began.