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Different with Steve Chalke and Jill Rowe

Choosing to turn and face, not run and hide

34 min • 24 april 2024

In this episode of the Different podcast, Steve Chalke and I talk about the human instinct to keep our distance from what is hard or challenging or doesn’t make sense. Via talk of playing hockey, having asthma, and wondering how God would figure in a game of Top Trumps, we chat about the way some beliefs leave us unable to manage the joy and pain of life and actually cause us harm rather than helping us. And we think through where God might be in all of this. This was a hope-filled, honest and enlightening conversation – we trust you will find it helpful and hopeful too.


Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).


This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.


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