What happens when two former analysts have a real conversation?

A former Forrester analyst and a former Gartner analyst talk about the market and a variety of topics.  Is it a good idea for layoffs to be taking place right now in cyber as the economy takes a dive?  How will that affect our collective security?  What should you know about analyst reports like the Wave or the Magic Quadrant?  Does security product bloat actually hurt operational capabilities?  Should automation be everywhere?  How does strategy start, and where?  Why do customers still run towards point solutions, rather than broader strategic offerings?  What about the new book "The Art of Selling Cybersecurity"?  Those questions and more on this one.