Episode 180: Dumb Phone with Donna Freitas

Kate takes a cold plunge and Doree feels the post-vacation, post-book launch blues. Then, Donna Freitas, author of the recently released The Nine Lives of Rose Napolitano, joins them to talk about what it’s really like to not want children in your late thirties, how she manages standing in lines without a smartphone, and why she keeps fresh flowers in her line of vision when she’s working. 

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