On the 30th and 31st of January, the US and the EU held the 5th Ministerial meeting on the Trade and Technology Council (TTC) in Washington DC. In this episode, Francesca Ghiretti engages with Emily Benson Director of Project on Trade and Technology at the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS). The episode touches upon the origins and evolution of the TTC, including opportunities and challenges it faces. It dives into the most recent Ministerial meeting and some of the debates that have emerged such as a potential Wassenaar -1 for export controls.