Jeremy Deller on The Beatles' manager Brian Epstein

Turner Prize Winner Jeremy Deller believes the music entrepreneur and The Beatles' manager Brian Epstein, has never been properly credited for his role within popular culture.

He's arguing that if Brian hadn't have lived, The Beatles might never have left Liverpool.

Jeremy and presenter Matthew Parris are joined by The Beatles' historian Mark Lewisohn, author of 'Tune In’, to discuss the deeply turbulent - but highly successful life of Brian Epstein, who died aged just 32.

Producer: Eliza Lomas

First broadcast on BBC Radio 4 in May 2019.