Adam and Dax discuss web technologies, the internet, and the future of (basically) everything.
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Rtiz talks with Dax about building towards an event like Cloudflare's birthday week, launching and getting feedback from the community, Cloudflare's platform journey, how long it actually takes to develop software, Dax's experience with containers, and weather in various parts of the country.
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Hear how Dax got into some trouble this week, Adam wishes he could be less midwestern, being mad at people in your dreams, Cloudflare container like stuff, who gets to DDOS everyone, gaming on PC vs streaming, and how to kill drain flies.
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Adam has dreams of a perfect gated community, Statmuse's mobile app getting accepted, why is Amazon returning everyone to the office, has AWS fallen behind, Dax explains the economy to Adam, Adam catches up on Twitter email sending drama, and did Terminal Coffee save PHP?
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DHH talks with us about his journey back to Linux, Apple's control over the App Store, setting up servers on the web, and tries out Terminal coffee.
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Dax is sick, but his voice sounds amazing so you should still listen, we streamed a basketball game in Dallas, rented a Lambo, went to Laracon 2024, muse on VPS complexity, InstantDB impressions, kids not knowing how to program properly, taking the right size bets in a startup, and going viral on Twitter in 2024.
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We're flying (or in) Dallas as you listen to this - ps who is actually listening to this? We chat native vs web apps, backend vs frontend, managers vs no manager jobs, and how Dax defines what's worth glorifying.
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Adam's moved his office, the arbitrary nature of exercise, prepping for the Laracon basketball game, Dax explains breaking at the Olympics, Dax sliced off a nice piece of bacon, how you can email us, trying to find your doctor and electrician for life, and taxes and humidity in Florida.
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Sam Lambert stops by to talk Unifi networking, cooking meat, microplastics, disease research, the history of the world, scaling at PlanetScale, and why people love PostGres.
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The eternal debate of freelance life vs being employed at a larger company, small teams vs big teams, bullshit jobs, self driving cars are finally discussed, Twitter VC fights, politics and tech, and Dax's list of next things to do.
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It's episode 100 time but don't worry, Adam's not being weird about it at all. We're thinking about how normies understand things like the Crowdstrike bug, Adam thinks the economy is fake, and Chris joins us with clips from past episodes like Adam's thirst traps, Dax watching tv all the time, are they playing characters or real on the podcast, and Chris questions Dax's cryptic tweets.
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Dax went to hell and back for a scrolling bug, what do we lose in the pursuit of optimization at all costs, what kind of business do we want to build, Adam is definitely AI, Twitter drama over commit hooks, Adam hates pyramids and thinks they're stupid, and Adam tries meditation but as a result his brain doesn't work for podcasting.
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Adam is tired, Dax tries to help analyze Adam in a surprisingly kind way, struggling to fend off grifters, Terminal Coffee updates, and Rspack news.
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Adam and Dax both got hairdids, Adam learns how a tattoo is installed, why can't we be more productive while live streaming, bringing out our different personalities in different groups, open source drama, issues with TC39 and bureaucracy on the web, Dax's stamp of package approval, and discussing the State of JavaScript.
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Matt chats with Adam and Dax about becoming a voice coach and how that's translated to creating courses and writing books for people wanting to learn TypeScript and coding, the differences between America and European living, Formula 1 racing, juggling, video games, board games, and what Matt's working on next.
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Dan Abramov chats with us about getting hired at Meta, making the move to Bluesky, centralized vs decentralized, product work vs framework work, Bluesky's development and future, and how mean Dax is on the internet.
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Adam and Dax were guests on the Mostly Technical podcast and so we're rebroadcasting that conversation on our feed for your listening pleasure. We take on the Laravel vs. JavaScript discourse, selling coffee over the command line, and a lot more.
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Taylor Otwell and Ryan Florence join us to talk about whether "full stack" is a term worth using in 2024, how Laravel differs from Rails, why there isn't a real JavaScript community, what Taylor would like to see from the Remix community, and whether Laravel is like Canada.
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Can you tell that Adam's moved his desk? We talk about how Adam's making banana ice cream, time travel possibilities, the opportunities afforded us as software engineers, being optimistic or a downer on Twitter, the Google IO event compared with the OpenAI event, and reasons to build identical houses.
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Dax has parenting advice for everyone, Adam worries about the point of even living, college as a scam, and theories on the anxious generation.
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Are Dax and Adam (and the rest of the Terminal.shop crew) drug dealers? We're talking about the coffee industry, what Terminal.shop is built on, the origin story of Terminal.shop, and how cool it feels to ship physical goods in the real world that real humans will hold in their real human hands.
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Everyone's recovering from React Miami and the party at Dax's - oh and we launched a company for buying products like coffee in the terminal!
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Adam's flying as you read this, and he's definitively not still sick. We're talking about Adam's internet being hacked, updates on our secret project, Cloudflare news, NextJS and Vercel benchmarking drama, and very important planning for React Miami and what to feed Adam.
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How long do you think Adam's crazy expensive Apple monitor will last? Dax tries to pass off all his front end tasks to Liz, Lambda fixed a streaming bug, Adam catches up on Cloudflare Dev week, Dax tries to make fun of Adam about Huberman, AI rizz and Gaussian splatting, and LEGO, Disney, and Universal all nailed it.
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Adam tries on a chain for Florida, Linear fixes GitHub Issues issue for Dax, big vs small vs medium dev teams, how long do startup devs actually have to develop, how much of a factor is luck in a startup's success or failure, Disney and media bundling and unbundling, and are Adam Sandler movies actually any good?
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Dax talks about the launch of SST Ion, a video he shot to promote it and get ahead of the q's people ask, what the migration path is like, should companies still do a launch week, the benefits of an SQLite production, catching up on Astro DB, should Adam take a detour into Zed land, Dax goes Mac, finding time to watch movies or play video games, and physical limitations overcome with neural implants.
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A brief list of topics discussed in this brief episode: New Jersey follow up from last episode, PlanetScale layoffs and performative twitter responses, free tiers aren't going to last forever, the Devin AI demo, Astro's file format choices, Adam has no thoughts about capitalism, does online bitterness extend to real life, why aren't more of us using Cameo for shit posting, Adam needs more movies to watch, and Dax learns about Adam's LOTR obsession.
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Dax's internet is bad, but so are all the internet providers. Should Ken buy a farm as a backup plan to when AI takes over? And does Adam ever feel anything at all? What if this is all a simulation? And how has humanity survived this long really?
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Dax is on the move, Adam learns about grills, and Ken Wheeler stops by for a two episode conversation arc. In this episode we're comparing weather, what we do in a hotel, fishing in the Ozarks and hunting in New Jersey, visiting a temple, using ChatGPT voice to learn, and the kids these days have no respect for NSync.
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The SM7B is everywhere. Adam and Dax can't wait for their AI coworkers to arrive, but should you be concerned about your job with AI? And what does E/ACC mean? Adam asks Dax about his tweets and rules for Twitter. And the US healthcare system is broken with no fix in sight.
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Adam and Dax recognize they love monotony and physicality in work, and so are making plans for a post software career, Adam needs your help picking out a good movie to watch, why are web ad companies programming so poorly, how can we save our companies from AI, and how do you cope with being connected to everything everywhere all at once?
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Adam's brain gets thrown off course, software rot vs serverless life, subscription payments vs one time payment myths, framework devs vs app devs, Adam figures out what Supabase is, Dax reviews an Apple Vision Pro and has thoughts, all while we're headed towards an AI utopia.
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Can you control your body with your mind? What about your stomach and food? Adam's got more questions about Dax's tweets, SST is changing to Bun, Adam's tired of all the things but can't stop all the things, Dax is trying to move, and we all have a graph partitioning problem.
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Why don't food companies sponsor podcasts? How rich does Adam need to get to build his own compound? Adam debates skipping on Svelte Melt and going all in on Solid with Dax. And a new segment arrives. Dax explains a tweet to Adam: Corporate Mumbo Jumbo edition.
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Adam wants to know more about Dax's AI app for movies. Is LinkedIn working for anyone these days? Are Adam and Dax role models? How YC adjacent are you? And what does Clerk do to earn all that investment money?
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What's with the current discourse around React and RFCs? Adam's worried about his consumerism, and the possible significance of rituals in everyday life. Dax has started reading actual books again, and wonders about the productivity boost of maintaining a clean working environment.
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00:43 Two Twitch Things
04:34 The Lamborghini SUV is a scam
06:38 Does Adam have a problem with consumerism?
14:12 Do you have any spiritual or meditation in life?
20:23 Reacting about React
31:22 Musk's macadamia nut beef
32:55 Brian Johnson study
34:32 Will Adam ever eat a steak again?
41:18 Manifesting a productivity boost
42:42 Dax is reading actual books again
Adam's lifestyle choices and sleep patterns, technical issues with CloudFlare, AWS and AI, real-time, push-based updates, the challenges faced by dev tool companies and the importance of scalability, the difficulty of learning AWS, and the role of SST in curtailing some of these complexities.
00:57 Let's talk about sleep
09:23 Do you use a password manager?
10:48 Adam's Fancy Bed
14:34 Dax's sandbag workout
16:31 Tech layoffs
20:23 The AWS Exodus
23:57 Salaries in tech
24:53 Will Dax ever run out of tweets to tweet?
28:14 How's your CO2?
30:45 There's always money in the banana stand
33:16 Using Cloudflare
44:53 Everyone is stuck on ternarys
48:36 Is it stress or is it the cold plunges?
54:24 React Miami
01:01:08 Is the real time space heating up?
01:10:16 Adam's teaching
An episode recorded in the weird space in the first week of the new year. Dax downgrades to 1 grape instead of 12, Adam almost died (again), Home Assistant and Homebridge and Homekit, SST dreaming, React Miami party plans at Dax's house, and the ulimate question: Does Adam have a face for recording courses?
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What's happening with the new version of SST, Ion? Twitter has changed with monetization, Dax's thoughts on the triangle company, the debate between single-page applications (SPAs) and server-rendered apps, Adam's fascination with Fascinating, and an important weather update from Florida.
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Dax convinces Adam that the Kombucha he bought is exclusive so Adam is forced to buy it.
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Moving tech Twitter to LinkedIn, cleaning up Contacts.app, the hype and dread cycle of AI announcements, why Adam hates weekends, why are LLMs so dorky, and the idea of creating a 100% AI Tomorrow podcast.
Oh and we're taking a break until January, 2024!
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Adam's wondering why people hate Aurora Serverless? What's happening with AWS rumors and Preinvent / Reinvent? Dax thinks Pulumi is the best infrastructure as code tool. And Adam wonders if he can stop being a jerk on Twitter.
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Serverless is going paid and Dax has thoughts, Adam really wants his GitHub username, why can you say illegal things on social media, Dax VC'd and learned a new word, Adam's obsessed with air purifiers, how can we Benjamin Button ourselves, and Adam is going to teach a AWS course.
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Dax and Adam read through Kent C. Dodds' article on Why He Won't Use Next.js and give their thoughts on the web platform, independence, Next.js eating React, collaboration, experimenting on users, too much magic, and complexity.
Oh and something's off with the X.
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Adam went to TwitchCon, apparently people still smoke, dogs are the ultimate hedonist, React taint conversations open up a whole new world, and who are we if we're not defined by our categories on Twitch livestreams?
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Is Dax really not going to TwitchCon? Why hasn't video calling gotten better? Vercel makes an AI image generator mess. Are politicians really necessary? Does Florida have the worst drivers? And how is Adam so buff?
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Dax woke up to a crappy situation, Adam's got a home theater problem and may have been kicked off the committee of entertainment, and Dax talks about how and what Bumi might pivot to become, and the lessons they've learned from the experience.
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Adam streamed! Live! On Twitch! What's happened to Slack? Cloud based vs on prem servers. How do you define a hike? Dax contemplates building a Hackintosh. Getting addicted to the right things, and differentiating between personal success and wanting others to fail.
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Adam and Dax discuss the importance of seasonal weather awareness and the concept of farm-to-table food. They delve into the idea of luxury goods debate between buying new or used items. Breakfast routines are talked about, followed by a lighthearted discussion on bananas. They also mention a Dev Rel 2.0 course, and contemplate the desire to not be retired while still wanting to be retired. The conversation shifts to homes, apartments, and mortgages, before concluding with a discussion on body weight and weightlifting. The episode ends with Adam and Dax pondering the possibility of streaming again in the future.
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In this episode Adam and Dax talk about the contrasting vibes between the real world and the computer world, the ethics of recording everything one sees or hears, followed by an exploration of the dynamics of finding things in a relationship. Cloudflare and AWS are mentioned, leading to a conversation about the perceived foolishness of being an investor and the potential future of being a venture capitalist. Climate change is checked in on, followed by a personal update on Adam's experience with shingles. They reflect on the impact of the COVID era, before pondering the naming of cities and towns with original names. The episode concludes with a contemplation on the simplicity and beauty of a dirt road.
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Melkey's back to talk with Dax about routine changes, getting COVID, finding balance between life and work, how SST makes money, could SST get bought, determining if you can work at a startup, the fact that nobody cares about your work, comparison as the thief of joy, and success being up to you.
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In this episode: Adam gets a cold, living in a character house versus the suburbs, the challenge of returning to something you had to give up, reasons behind Dax's love for cats, and where Cloudflare announcements sit alongside AWS, anthropic, and bedrock. Is it ok to root for Elon Musk's failure? What's the state of politics in the US? The episode concludes with an examination of the enshittification of tech, and the idea of retiring to tweet.
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Dax chats with Glauber Costa about his career path to this point, starting Turso, avoiding ending up in the tarpit of ideas, issues with naming the Edge, what Turso is up to, how users make life easier, and lessons learned in pricing.
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Adam finds out the hard way that everyone is using morphine totally wrong, Adam and Dax debate upgrading their iPhones, Dax educates Adam on Svelte and Astro, and if Adam died who would Dax replace him with?
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Is it better to burn out or to fade away as a content creator—or is Adam just a quiet quitter? Our thoughts on Bun's 1.0, bundling, pnpm, rebooting JavaScript, and is Vercel the dark side in the great Star Wars analogy of our dev world?
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The fun of a DHH rant and the ensuing storm of reactions, planning vacations, how SST is looking at enterprise sales, TwitchCon plans, enjoying fall weather and tornado fears, and Adam watches a bad movie and doesn't enjoy it.
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Adam gives up his health insurance and gets injured shortly after: coincidence? Are we tech bros just because we care about things? Is Dax going to upgrade to Astro v3? And Dax introduces Adam to the dark web.
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Is unifying messaging apps a tarpit problem? And what can be done about the iMessage moat? Adam wants to try a temporary tattoo, but what should he get? Dax lets listeners in on his tweeting secret, and Astro's launch week just happened so why not talk open source economics!
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Does writing long tweets help you game the algorithm? Has Dax lost faith in academic research? Has Adam unlocked the secret to good knee health by walking backwards? Has Terraform licensing changes ruined open source? Has AI destroyed Google search? Has radiation destroyed steel? These are a lot of questions that definitely get answered in this episode.
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How do we shop for things in 2023? And why do we love buying things? Adam confuses sous vide for a bidet and yet somehow doesn't get embarrassed in public. Do you get embarrassed in public? Dax explains living in NYC, while Adam debates gambling in Vegas. And tech returns with LLMs and AWS Bedrock.
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Dax and AJ Stuyvenberg talk about speed running hobbies, how dangerous skydiving is, working remote vs in office, the Trader Joe's model of queuing theory, being bad at something before you can be ok, and what keeps us going years into our work.
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What is SST learning now that they have users? There's a lot of talk about Tailwind in this episode and Dax hates every minute of it. Are you going to TwitchCon 2023? Should Adam have vegan donuts at TwitchCon? And please shut up about Tailwind.
This is the first episode with an encore. It may also be the last episode with an encore.
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Dax needs your help finding a new hat, talking about Dax's controversial tweet on remote work, is most work fake, and why aren't medical records shared between doctors? Next up is episode 50!
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The one where Dax and Adam manage to piss off Marvel fans, Star Wars fans, Hayden Christensen fans, metric system fans, the rest of the world - but also talk about Rust, Go, and C#.
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Tomorrow has some competition and Adam's fired up (not really), why are we wired for bad things, SST and Astro API questions, and what's up with Dax's dumb challenges?
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Adam has secrets, and wonders if it's too late for him to be anonymous. The LK-99 dream might be over? Despite Adam's jujitsu injuries, they pale in comparison to Dax's skim board injury. Flight pricing is frustrating, and comparing spring in NYC vs the Ozarks.
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Adam's got Astro + SST + Lambda on the brain, and Dax has too many meetings with humans. But humans have had a breakthrough in superconductor tech, so maybe humans aren't the worst?
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Why is everyone wrong about everything - especially with Adam? Does an AI breakthrough mean utopia? Are we using Threads to post about X'ing Twitter? Dax has a new hobby, and Adam updates on his jujitsu hobby. Dax has some theories on Vercel and some SST Console roadmap updates.
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Dax has a conversation with Tuomas Artman of Linear about their mindset when starting Linear, how they developed the Linear Method, was being fast important from the beginning, what the difference is between collaboration and syncing, and what is Linear's tech stack.
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Dax interviews Liz about her journey into tech and startups, how Dax and Liz met, working in a health startup in the pandemic, deciding to do your own thing, almost quitting, expectations of what it's like to be a founder, and dealing with potential embarrassment.
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Adam has questions this episode: Why does Tailwind bring out the worst in people? Why don't more people just make nice fast apps like Linear? Why is Notion slow? Is sites vs apps a real debate? Is the developer experience getting better? And should Adam help Dax become the Benevolent Dictator of JavaScript that he was born to be?
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Trash is here but before he arrives, Adam and Dax cover some important ground like Lotion vs Sand, drinking energy drinks, and driving until your brain shuts off. Trash joins the call and wonders about renting vs owning, if the Ozarks are real or just on Netflix, being rich adjacent in Miami, and what he's working on these days. And the there of them wonder about the state of TypeScript in 2023.
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Dax trimmed his beard and Adam doesn't like it. Who looks better with an old face filter? Were there any great software designs in the 90's? And should Adam be worried about hookworms while he's touching grass to stay away from toxic positivity?
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New format we're trying! Stick around for a conversation with Melkey at the end of the preamble with Adam and Dax who chat about meeting humans for coffee (in a totally normal, human way), Adam's Threads experience compared with Dax's, wondering if we're socially anxious, and who should interview Liz?
Then Melkey stops by to chat about life working at Twitch, his dog, when people should have kids, and whether real life friends know what any of them do.
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Is Adam washed out - in comparison to Dax? Do Adam or Dax worry about data privacy these days? What should Dax do about his weird neighbor - or is he the weird neighbor? And recognizing when your tech stack isn't the source of your power.
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Adam and Dax are definitely not going to talk about React drama or devrel. Instead, they're sticking to questions about dinosaurs and interest rates and how they impact the economy. (The interest rates. Not so much the dinosaurs.)
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Dax and Adam put life's biggest questions to ThePrimeagen: Why does he hate ESM? How tall is he? Do people around him know he's ThePrimeagen? Why has work culture changed around feedback? Can you still squat? Can we cringe? And what is your biggest fear in life?
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José Valim, the creator of Elixir, joins Dax to tell us the story behind how it was born and what makes it great.
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How does Dax get his news? Should Adam start reading Hacker News? And Adam and Dax talk religion, spirituality, The Last Airbender, and how kids impact your mortality.
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Adam & Dax discuss a lot of things; arguably too many things. Among those things: the story of Elixir, what we do when life gets too easy, game dev dreams, dev conferences, bridge collapses, and monotony.
Adam & Dax discuss lawns, weed—all the forms of grass, really. They also dip into some political topics, so brace yourself.
Adam & Dax discuss what media they consume for entertainment, among other things.
Adam & Dax discuss using Linux and Neovim, being vegan, and other annoying personality traits they share.
Adam & Dax discuss the recent Twitch developments and the challenges with running a live streaming service. They also talk about reading books and living forever.
Adam & Dax discuss the realities of tech conferences as well as Apple's Vision Pro headset.
Adam & Dax spend way too much time discussing sun exposure, then dive into local-first patterns with Replicache and more.
Adam & Dax discuss dogs, Sam Altman's congressional hearing (that neither of them watched), the current state of the venture capital markets, and more.
Adam & Dax discuss their Twitter usage and when it's ok to rewrite an app completely.
Adam & Dax discuss their upcoming vacations, alcohol & coffee, social media platforms, Dax becoming an Apple fanboy, and why nobody has invented the Jetsons shower.
Adam & Dax discuss how each generation views friendship, how SST finally cracked open source marketing, and some serverless topics.
Adam & Dax discuss how PHP & Laravel are taking over the narrative.
Adam & Dax discuss Dax's recent efforts in benchmarking Vercel against OpenNext and then bring on Aaron Francis to discuss type systems and what good hustle looks like.
Adam & Dax discuss... nothing at all, really.
Adam & Dax discuss how they got into open source and interview a surprise guest.
Adam & Dax discuss Vercel, the culture around it, and the pros and cons of using it.
Adam & Dax discuss their startup founding experiences and lessons learned.
Adam & Dax discuss more AI craziness and whether anyone will catch OpenAI.
Adam & Dax discuss their latest project: a Discord server for developers who stream programming, and those that like to watch them.
Adam & Dax discuss the SVB collapse and how the government stepped in to prevent catastrophe.
Adam & Dax discuss their most recent fights on Twitter and the forces that are driving increased anger on the internet.
Adam & Dax discuss signals and what the future looks like for React.
Adam & Dax discuss their recent side project: Rebase.tv, a live game show for developers.
Adam & Dax discuss the recent tsunami of AI advancements. Also, Adam might be an AI bro.
Adam & Dax discuss the release of SST v2.
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