Ayana has an in-person conversation with composer/trumpeter jaimie branch at IARCHQ in Chicago. In between jaimie's trumpetourettes they talk about FLY or DIE, their new LIVE album, their previous albums I and II, plus capitalist letters, chameleons, the making of visual scores, the perks of getting older, and "The Music." This episode supported is in part by The Record Shop in Red Hook, Brooklyn.