118: Edy Cohen: Can Saudi-Israel normalize? The tragedy of judicial reform, Swedes burn holy books

Our guest today says the unedifying term “civil war” bandied describing judicial reform in Israel is a useful device to maintain pressure on both sides to find a solution.

Let me be clear: I spent much of July and August 2023 in Israel and the country is not “entering a state of civil war” as former Prime Minister and convicted criminal, Ehud Olmert claimed. There’s no curfews, no rubber bullets and no army in place of cops on the streets.

But that’s not to say this isn’t a serious situation. As positions entrench further, is hope for a solution ebbing away? Time for some realpolitik. While in Tel Aviv, I met historian and commentator, Dr. Edy Cohen, PhD. This is the third time Edy’s joined me on Jonny Gould’s Jewish State - but the first time face to face.

Beirut-born Edy has his finger on the pulse of the Arab world. He is a world authority on Muslim holocaust denial, Islamist terrorism and the history of Jewish communities in Arab lands.

There’s no one with a more amplified voice across the whole of the Middle East than Edy. He tweets almost exclusively in Arabic to over 570,000 followers. In 1991, the Lebanon he was raised in became too hostile, so he and his family fled for their lives and he’s lived in Israel ever since.

As a native Arabic speaker, Edy tweets through divides, talking directly to Arab audiences on Israel, the Jewish people and the religion which they never get at home. Edy’s a Ph.D. in Middle Eastern History from Bar-Ilan University and his 2017 book, “The Holocaust in the Eyes of Mahmoud Abbas” exposes a vicious holocaust denial at the top of the Palestinian Authority. And in “The Mufti and the Jews: his connections to the Nazis”, Edy reveals new evidence of a 1943 plan the Arab leader hatched with the Nazis to exterminate the Jews in mandate Palestine - if World War II had been lost.

But the allies won the Battle of El Alamein and so the Holocaust didn’t spread in any meaningful sense into the Middle East and Maghreb, where a million more Jews would surely have suffered the same fate as their brothers and sisters in Europe. So let’s talk about the collision of events which might lead to the end of the Arab-Israeli conflict, the burning of holy books in Sweden and what Israel has to do with Morocco’s territorial ambitions in the Western Sahara! And what precisely is the Saudi/US/Israel offer? “It’s bigger than Camp David”, says Professor Chuck Freilich, Israel’s former Deputy National Security Adviser, who also appears in this episode to outline the proposition.

A Senior Analyst at the Israel Ministry of Defense, policy adviser to a cabinet minister and delegate at the Israeli Mission to the United Nations. Chuck lays out the win-win-win for the US, Saudi and Israel - but as with all peace deals, it’s no free lunch.

Infact, what’s on the table is costly for Israel.

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