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Kodsnack 631 - Comfortable in uncertainty, with Barry O'Reilly

59 min • 25 februari 2025

Fredrik talks to Barry O’Reilly about software architecture.

Barry has spent a lot of time and energy connecting software architecture to actual code and development work, and finding good ways of actually training new generations of software architects.

Architecture is a level above programming, it is a different skill, and it needs to be properly taught so that more people can think and make active decisions about it. Oh, and architecture happens at a group level. You can’t really do it alone.

Barry’s quest led him to complexity science, a PhD to actually prove his ideas hold up, and two books. The idea that you have to understand what goes on in the code in order to do good architecture is more controversial than one might think.

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  • Keep close to the code
  • Remove themselves from the code as a status symbol
  • I would see a lot of grey
  • There’s a generation missing
  • A level of thinking above programming
  • When you look up from your IDE
  • We had to rescue architecture
  • When they say “architect”
  • Headed for that ivory tower
  • A self-titling profession
  • Comfortable in uncertainty
  • Multiple books, and a PhD
  • How does this thing break
  • Everything will always break
  • Patching those cracks
  • Do you have any proof of this?
  • The key to good software architecture is pessimism
  • The mincing of academic criticism
  • Typing furiously
  • Hope for the future
  • He’s from the real world!
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