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You Mean It Or You Don’t with Jamie McGhee and Adam Hollowell

53 min • 29 augusti 2022

Jamie McGhee, a novelist, playwright, and essayist, who is Black, queer, and prefers not to identify within a gender binary, though is often perceived as and was assigned female at birth. And Adam Hollowell, an author, ethicist, and facilitator, who is a white male. Adam was on faculty at Duke University while Jamie was a student and they began reading James Baldwin together and eventually writing about his work and studying it more deeply.

I’ll allow them to tell you the rest of the story, but their recently published book, “You Mean It Or You Don’t” is such a profound exploration of Baldwin’s work. As they say on their website, “It is an invitation into Baldwin’s demand for responsibility, honesty, and accountability in a time of great moral evasion.” It’s also a call to action - within each chapter they offer real, concrete ways you can get involved in social justice action happening in your local community. The book was published by Broadleaf Books and we’d encourage you to support your local bookstore, and you can go to bookshop.org to find where there is one near you, or you can purchase at the bookshop.org link below.


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Read more about Jamie, Adam, and their work here.

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Special thanks to our editor: Bri Daniel



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