Realms upon realms of eccentric music, culture, and thought
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Musician, fashion designer, and visual artist, PICTUREPLANE (aka Travis Egedy) has made a major name for himself over the past decade in the outer limits of global pop culture. His music engages industrial dance, gothic hip-hop, and emotive New Age, while his clothing line, Alien Body, serves up a stylized study of symbology, the occult, and societal decay. We talk about ontological anarchy, DIY spaces, 1990s optimism, Witch House, and Travis' friendship with Lil Peep.
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Conner Habib is a writer and the host of the podcast, Against Everyone with Conner Habib. He's an activist and former porn actor, and he gives lectures around the world on topics as wide-ranging as occultism, James Joyce, sex work, and art. We talk about the cultural/political/economic triad, Freedom, alchemy, Carl Jung's charlatanism, and Conner’s new PEN/Faulkner Longlisted debut novel, Hawk Mountain.
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Jeremiah Cymerman, the great musician, and my long-time conversation partner, joins me to talk about Louis CK's crushing 2016 TV series, Horace and Pete. We get into fathers and sons, barflies, MeToo, and the N-word.
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Uboa is the musical vehicle of Xandra Metcalfe, who has spent the better part of a decade dipping into every corner of heavy music. From harsh noise to dark ambient, to glitch, to doom metal, Uboa's eclectic approach to dark music has led her to become a cult figure, particularly online. I talk with Xandra about her extreme compositional and mixing techniques, autism, parasites, Freud, dehumanization, and unwinding your bowels.
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Necro is a true legend of underground rap, pioneer of the death rap sub-genre, renown producer, and inspiring entrepreneur. We talk about his new metal track, being white in rap, Metallica's note choices, jails in Europe, fake Hasidic crackheads, and his complex relationship with his Uncle Howie.
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Sean Ragon has been active in industrial, and experimental music communities for over fifteen years, and in DIY punk in general going back to the 90s. He’s primarily known as the frontman of neofolk collective Cult of Youth, which triumphantly returned from a long hiatus last year. Sean also makes electronic music as Venerence. He’s deep in the culture, and his contributions over the years have been truly original and widely respected.
Sean and I talk about runic yoga, Asatru, attempting to remain apolitical in polarized scenes, being married by Genesis P-Orridge , Cult of Youth’s comeback album, “With Open Arms”, and why Sean had to flee America to Berlin.
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Kavus Torabi is a British guitarist, vocalist, and composer, with a long and prolific career in the world of avant-garde rock music. He is known for his collaborative work in the 90s with Monsoon Bassoon, and the 00s with cult math-rock heroes Cardiacs, as well as his solo work as Knifeworld, and under his own name. He's also a member of the current line-up of legendary psych rock band Gong.
Kavus and I have been fans of each other’s musics for years. Our fun conversation gets into the vibrant artistic family surrounding Cardiacs, melodies that make us angry, psychedelia, autism, and coming to the occult later in life.
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Justin Pearson has been a vital and prolific force in underground music since the 90s. His many bands, including the Locust, Dead Cross, Head Wound City, and Retox, have made an indelible mark on the canon of heavy music, and his long-running label, Three One G, has been an important platform for numerous like-minded experimentalists. We talk about “Annoying” as a genre, healthy inter-band competition on tour, the uniqueness of the 90s San Diego hardcore scene, and our different experiences at the same Marilyn Manson afterparty.
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Musician, visual artist, and actress, Sophie Leetmaa joins me to talk about Parenthetical Girls’ art-damaged baroque pop cult classic, ‘Safe as Houses’ (2006). We get into bloodletting, the Tumblr era, listening to Tori in the bath, music from Popeye, and lore from the unsung 00s micro-scene that spawned P Grrrls.
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Wyattxhim's YouTube channel is a rich, one-of-a-kind resource for commentary on black metal, death metal, and all related genres of heavy music. From his album reviews, to iceberg charts, to nuanced video essays, Wyatt’s depth of knowledge, humor, and elite taste have been attracting a rapidly-growing following of extreme music cognoscenti.
Wyatt and I talk about crying to Peter Sotos, left-wing black metal that's actually good, the purity of old-school YouTubing, and the importance of challenging one’s own beliefs.
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Nick Podgurski is a musician, artist, educator, and contemplative mentor interested in transformation and the nature of creativity. Since the 00s, he has been growing a truly unique body of work and thought, with his own projects Feast of the Epiphany and New Firmament, and as a collaborator with GRID, Lydia Lunch, Extra Life, and Yukon. Nick and I go way back, to the original line-up of Extra Life. Nick and I talk about practicing loss, George Gurdjieff, and the importance of Something Else.
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Heinali is the moniker of Oleh Shpudeiko, a composer from Kyiv, Ukraine, whose work reimagines Medieval music with a modular synthesizer, borrowing techniques from contemporary analog synthesis, generative music, and improvisation. His recent activities have been a highly acclaimed live performance from inside a bomb shelter, and a new Heinali record, Kyiv Eternal. His past projects have included installations and collaborations around the world, and the award-winning music for the video game BOUND.
We talk about the hollowed-out sacred, Ukrainian artistic identity, possessed synthesizers, generative music as a garden, the deflation of ambient, music education, and trauma.
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Sam Mickens is a singer, guitarist, composer, and performance artist based in Los Angeles, whose powerful, idiosyncratic work brings together sweet soul, glam rock, classical music, comic books, and professional wrestling. His many projects include The Sam Mickens Ecstatic Showband & Revue, his ‘00s art-rock band, The Dead Science, the theater piece “Kayfabe: Game of Death”, and his many recent solo records. Sam and I go deep here on one of our favorite books, Yukio Mishima’s “The Sailor Who Fell from Grace with the Sea", grappling with death, glory, being a touring musician, capital punishment, The Great Cause, and working out your Seppuku muscles.
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Patrick Higgins is a composer of experimental music, including works for chamber orchestra, string quartet, percussion ensemble, and his own virtuosic and unique language on guitar and electronic processing. He’s been a member of the classic New York avant-garde band ZS since 2012, and his music has been performed around the world.
Our conversation gets into Pat’s amazing string quartets, the meaning of narrative in instrumental music, opening up space to think differently, his concept of “social death”, and the moral valence of making experimental music.
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Visual artist turned music video director, Zev Deans, has been responsible for some of the most iconic visuals in heavy music since 2010, including work with Portal and Behemoth, as well as mainstream artists like St. Vincent. He has also done film restoration work with the HR Giger estate, and fabrication work for Matthew Barney. Zev is a deeply respected and beloved fixture in my corner of culture.
Zev and I talk about gentlemen duels, Polish catacombs, deepfakes, the role of AI in his recent work, the legacy of Kenneth Anger, and some upcoming projects that he’s a bit skittish about detailing.
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Jesse Moynihan is a cartoonist, storyboard artist, and writer who has worked on Adventure Time, Midnight Gospel and his own critically acclaimed graphic novel series, Forming. Our conversation gets into Jesse's roots in the Philadelphia experimental music scene, the connection of prog rock to animation, the meaning of visual noise, Ai anxiety in art and music, the wackness of '00s New Atheism, and Jesse's newest personal project, Jesus 2.
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Colin Marston is a prolific multi-instrumentalist and record producer, who has been a vital fixture in the worlds of metal and experimental music since the 00s. Between his bands Krallice, Behold...the Arctopus, and Dysrhythmia, his studio, Menegroth the Thousand Caves, his numerous solo projects and collaborations, and his membership of the reunion line-up of tech-death legends Gorguts, his body of work is immense and many-tentacled. Colin joins me to talk about Gorguts' 1998 avant-garde masterpiece, 'Obscura', regarded as one of the most important records in the history of death metal.
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'The Believer' (2001) is Ryan Gosling's first movie, about a neo-Nazi who's secretly Jewish. It sounds like a Chappelle sketch, but it's a truly deep meditation on both anti- and philo-semitism. Billy Zane plays a Yarvin-esque highbrow reactionary hottie. Jeremiah and I have been obsessed with this film for years. Our discussion takes us through a lesser-known midrash on Isaac vs Jesus, the incomprehensible vs the idiotic, questioning as mystical practice, Marxism, and nothingness-without-end.
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Peter Evans is recognized as one of the world's leading voices on the trumpet, a true innovator on the instrument, as well as an important composer. He's worked with experimental luminaries including John Zorn, Brian Ferneyhough, and Kanye West, and his own music has been performed around the globe to great acclaim. We talk about Peter’s wild new compositions for MIDI piano, AI anxiety, Bach, Onlyfans, the African clave rhythm, and defending Truth and Beauty.
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Dylan Reznick is a cloud-rap pioneer, known for his projects FRIENDZONE and Chlorine Mist, as well as his beats and production for A$AP Rocky, Main Attrakionz, Yung Lean, and Mykki Blanco. I've known Dylan since his early days in the amazing weirdo noise crew Religious Girls.
We talk about early '10s micro-genres, the collapse of the music press, AI, chopping up vocals, and Dylan's fantastic brand new releases under his Birthplace moniker.
M Lamar, the incomparable composer, artist, operatic countertenor, coiner of the term "negrogothic", good friend, and long-time collaborator of mine, graces the live stream to discuss Diamanda Galas' 1990 live record, 'Plague Mass'. Lamar's work spans opera, metal, performance, video, sculpture and installation to craft sprawling narratives of radical becomings.
We talk about mourning, the Devil, how Lamar got to know Diamanda, and questions about the definition of the word "avant garde" This stream was our first collaboration since our short-lived 2018 podcast, 'Fluid Exchange'!
Karl D'Silva is a fascinating figure in the UK underground music scene. His dark electronic pop songs are both subtly slippery and crushingly direct, and he's blessed with the kind of powerhouse singing voice that you just have to hear to believe. He's also prolific as a saxophonist and collaborator in far more overtly experimental contexts, working with Helm, VANISHING, Rian Treanor, Ex-Easter Island Head, and a million others.
Here, Karl and I talk a lot about the voice: finding one's own, overcoming shame, and some of Karl's unusual warm-ups and recording techniques. We also talk about Glenn Branca, early industrial music, and the unique realm of the Northern UK.
Tyondai Braxton is a world-renowned composer of orchestral and electronic music, whose body of work has cut across minimalism, dance music, prog rock, film scores, and improvisation. From his accolades as a member of the band Battles in the 00s, to his recent appointment as a professor at Princeton, Ty has remained a brilliant maverick, as well as a truly stand-up person. We talk about the conceptual and compositional foundations of Ty's crushing new orchestral record, 'Telekinesis', his evolution as an artist, and what it means to experience awe.
Se'nam Palmer describes himself as a 29-year-old black person, musician and faux-losopher. His main band is Crispin Wah. He came by to talk about Kendrick Lamar's 2015 chart-topper, 'To Pimp a Butterfly', which takes us through issues of inner conflict, hoteps, and the joys of being a session musician.
Steff (@poetrygrifter) is a semi-anonymous poet and poaster in an MFA creative writing program. We went deep about her adopting of various historical personae in her recent work, today's bleeding edge literary scene, identity politics and representation, the reactionary twitter-sphere, and more.
Will Samson is a music aficionado and co-host of Resident Life Enjoyers 151 podcast. He returns to Last Things to discuss the Magnetic Fields' classic 1999 three-volume opus, '69 Love Songs'. We get into artifice, chord progressions, my complex relationship to twee-ness, and what it means for music to be 'charming'.
Björn Schmelzer is a Belgian conductor, musicologist, and anthropologist, though he frequently crosses disciplines and incorporates many academic and creative influences in his work. He founded the vocal ensemble Graindelavoix in 1999, a group devoted to radical, heterogeneous reimaginings of vocal music from the Medieval, Renaissance, and contemporary periods. We go deep here, exploring Björn's unique ideas around the meaning of modernity, crisis, and trauma in the artistic experience, the essence of the Gothic, the undead-ness of ancient polyphony, and his critique of reactionary/conservative tendencies in Early Music scholarship.
Nandor Nevai is a true American iconoclast and cult figure. A rigorous modernist composer, renegade philosopher, and comedian of the margins, he has waged a decades-long assault on all things digestible and sane. Nevai's own work has intersected with "Brutal Classical", noise, war metal, and improvisation, and his myriad collaborations have included To Live and Shave in L.A., Aborted Christ Childe, and Laundry Room Squelchers.
We talk about psychism, free metal, abortion, chem trails, and Nandor's CIA clearance level.
'Crescent' (1964) is my favorite John Coltrane record, and Jeremiah is my favorite guy to chop it up with. This is kind of Trane's goth record, deeply underrated. It sparks off a conversation about humility, lyricism, ecstasy, and the idea of late work.
Since the 90s, Weasel Walter has been a prolific and influential force in the worlds of no wave, free jazz, metal, and modern composition. An iconoclastic drummer, guitarist, composer, and improviser, Weasel has led the Flying Luttenbachers, and Cellular Chaos, as well as countless other, more collaborative projects. We talk about Iannis Xenakis, Natasha Leggero, ignorant death metal, and being a musical lifer.
International hardcore superstar Danny Diablo aka Lord Ezec (Crown of Thornz, Skarhead) and black metal riff-lord Paul Delaney (Black Anvil) join me to talk about not being pigeon-holed, standing up for your friends even when they’re wrong, helping your fans cut the perfect line of coke, and the Jewish roots of the Ary*n Br*therh**d.
Hannah A. Barnes is a composer of powerful, alien chamber and orchestral music, as well as a conductor, and lecturer at DePaul University. We talk about the importance of aesthetic difficulty, accusations of musical fascism, her relationship to the canon, and how her music subverts linear time.
Eugene Robinson is one of the most original underground cultural figures of the past 40 years. As the lead singer of numerous projects including Oxbow and Whipping Boy, a renowned martial arts fighter, journalist, and author, Eugene has defied categories and expectations at every turn. We talk about 80s hardcore vs No Wave, Rene Girard, sacrifice, evil, and leaving New York.
Toby Driver is best known as the mastermind of long-running goth-prog legends Kayo Dot, as well as a member of Bloodmist and Secret Chiefs 3. We talk about Jane's Addiction's 1990 record, Ritual de lo Habitual, as well as white dreadlocks, what constitutes New Age music, and Toby's horrific Jane's A concert experience.
Will Samson, host of the fantastic No Future podcast, joins me to talk about our favorite Captain Beefheart record, 'Lick My Decals Off, Baby' (1970). Will is quite knowledgable about Beefheart, and is a truly serious, thoughtful appreciator of unusual music in general.
Writer and noise musician Xylon Genesis Otterburn returns to the live stream to talk with me about 'Three Cheers for Sweet Revenge', the 2004 classic by My Chemical Romance. We discuss the many phases of emo, the im/possibility of arena rock, Bandcamp skepticism, and more...
Nicholas Dolinger is the author of Sunbathing, I Want To, a collection of theological poems, as well as other works published by Expat Press and Terror House. He is also the host of The Beautiful Toilet podcast, and a business reporter for Epoch Times.
We talk about the classic Dr. Dooom (Kool Keith) album First Come, First Served, as well as Yukio Mishima, having diarrhea while on LSD, and the implicit politics of wearing a wig.
Jeremiah and I discuss Morton Feldman, a towering colossus of 20th Century music, who has had an profound impact on both of our creative lives. We focus on three compositions: Durations, Rothko Chapel, and Patterns in a Chromatic Field.
Luke Calzonetti and I gab about a death metal classic, Suffocation's Pierced from Within (1995). Luke is a visual artist and electronic musician based in Brussels, whose projects include Sugarstick & Xerox, Run Dust, the EC Band, and, previously, Child Abuse. We go back many years to Luke's days in NY in the '00s.
Bradley Coy is a fantastic young producer, guitarist, and vocalist, who makes music under the moniker Silk Defect. He also has lots to say about culture and philosophy. We talk about his debut album, Luxury of Dirt, as well as Catholicism, Mark Fisher, and the sublimity of feeling small.
Jeremiah Cymerman returns to talk about Mr. Bungle's 1990 self-titled debut album. We get into consumption, violence, bad taste, pastiche, and nu metal.
I'm thrilled to be joined by the truly legendary composer JG Thirlwell, mastermind behind Foetus, Manorexia, Xordox, The Venture Bros., the list goes on. We talk about what it has meant for Jim to inhabit different characters, score TV, and confront his mortality, over the course of a career stretching back to the early '80s.
Alex Mincek is an acclaimed, prolific composer, professor of composition and music technology at Northwestern University, and co-director of the Wet Ink Ensemble. His works for orchestra, chamber ensembles, and electronics have been performed across the world.
We go deep about compositional flow, stasis, repetition, margins of difference, listener perception, Deleuze, Henri Bergson, Modernism, Uptown vs Downtown New York schools, and more...
John Lamberton is a guitarist/composer based in Los Angeles who focuses on intensely complicated rhythm and generative processes. He's also the host of BRIDGE podcast, a coffee wizard, and a card-carrying Bayesian transhumanist. We talk about using algorithms to compose death metal, footwork music, suffering-focused ethics, SlateStarCodex, in-group signaling, NoFap, and quite a bit more.
Daisy Press is a vocalist acclaimed for her original interpretations of early music and contemporary composers, and more recently as the high priestess of Voice Cult, a "convent" devoted to singing the music of Hildegard of Bingen. We talk about tuning the voice, Morton Feldman, chant for everyone, and Burning Man.
Sam is the man behind the musical projects Zs and Diamond Terrifier, runs the eclectic NY music venue H0L0, founded the arts non-profit/outreach program Representing NYC, and recently started a new podcast, Place of Assembly. I go deep with my old, dear friend about constructing social space, Deleuzean encounters, and having the experience that's there to be had.
Angel Marcloid is the composer/multi-instrumentalist behind Fire-Toolz, some of the most beautifully difficult to pigeon-hole music around today. We talk vaporwave, ancient mysticism, gender, jazz fusion, nu-metal, and her wholly unique and colorful artistic realm.
Adam Kalmbach is the man behind Jute Gyte, a prolific and utterly iconoclastic experimental black metal project, which has garnered a true cult following. We talk about Adam's use of microtonality, his approach to compositional form, and some of the broader philosophy and historical touchstones behind his vision.
Joan is a prolific and unique visual artist, and makes occultist electronic music as Temple ov Saturn. We talk about modernity, the sacred, nature, and pornography.
Dave Davidson is one of contemporary metal's premiere electric guitar stylists, the leader of the highly popular band Revocation, and an in-demand educator. We talk about what it means to be a virtuoso, Dave's love of the work of Cornel West and HP Lovecraft, his new project Gargoyl, and the disintegration of the universe.
Dennis is a young, prolific musician from Detroit, a producer, songwriter, and vocalist, who makes hard-hitting electronic music under several aliases including OLMS, White Christian Male, and THEDROVE. We get into connections between psychedelic and goth music, David Tibet, lobotomies, and the Peter Pan syndrome of coastal elites.
Josh Strawn is a musician and writer, whose projects over the years have included post-punk and industrial bands such as Vaura, Azar Swan and Blacklist, as well as writing about politics and culture for the Daily Beast, Bust, and Talkhouse. I talk with Josh about the aesthetics of goth music, the thought-worlds of Nick Land and Mark Fisher, and approaches to writing lyrics.
Improviser/composer Jeremiah Cymerman is a New York fixture, working primarily with clarinet, electronics, and the studio. He's also the man behind the 5049 Podcast, which has been quite influential within experimental music circles. He joins me to talk about the fabled New York "Downtown Scene", radical Jewish culture, and our near future as musicians under COVID-19.
Txgen Meyer is a brilliant young theorist and artist. We talk about Sun Ra, Afro-pessimism, Afro-futurism, numerology, as well as Deleuze and Guattari's concepts of the Refrain and trans-coding.
Barrett Avner is a very serious political theory head, wholly unusual personality and thinker, and the host of the Contain podcast. We talk about faith, dis-identity, Alexandr Dugin, trolling, and the figure of the dandy.
Jamie Stewart, the incomparable mastermind behind the legendary experimental post-punk band Xiu Xiu, graces the livestream with a lovely chat about the ethics of telling other people's stories, a drama-filled tour we did together years ago, and power dynamics in homoerotic contexts.
Xylon is an experimental musician, writer, and philosophical meme lord. We'll talk about noise, communism, cringe, immigration, jury duty, the archetype of the "spare tire Jew", and Xylon's new project Mute Presence.
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