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Agatha and her coven head down, down the Witches' Road as we recap Agatha All Along Episode 3, "Through Many Miles Of Tricks And Trials" on our podcast. With the coven fully assembled, it's time for their first trial... A Real Housewives-style nightmare that makes every member of the coven confront their past. And it leaves one of them dead. Plus, it's finally happened: the MCU mentioned Mephisto. We discuss all that and more as we recap and react to this week's new episode.

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We're back, witches! Agatha All Along has finally premiered on Disney+, and we're recapping Episodes 1 and 2 and offering up our thoughts on the podcast. In the first episode, "Seekest Thou The Road," Agatha is still trapped in Wanda's spell from WandaVision. When she finally breaks out thanks to Teen and Rio Vidal, she's presented with a mission to travel the Witches' Road. So in Episode 2, "Circle Sewn with Fate Unlock Thy Hidden Gate," she assembles a new coven to travel with her, narrowly escaping the Salem's Seven. We discuss the episodes, as well as big theories like the relationship between Rio and Agatha, the identity of Nicholas Scratch, and much more.

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You got Deadpool in my Wolverine! You got Wolverine in my Deadpool! We're reviewing Deadpool & Wolverine with full spoilers on our podcast. When Deadpool's universe is threatened by a rogue section of the TVA, it's up to him to find Wolverine and save everyone he cares about. Only thing, he found the worst Wolverine, and together they're going to head to The Void, tussle with Cassandra Nova, battle the Deadpool Corps, and more. We discuss all of that, the future of the characters, Easter eggs, and everything in between! 

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It's the season finale of X-Men '97 and we're recapping all the big moments on "Tolerance Is Extinction, Part 3." While half the team lies in the clutches of Bastion, the other team is dealing with Magneto -- leading to an epic showdown between Xavier and his old friend. Meanwhile, Sinister visits the beach that makes you old, Bastion rips off Cable's arm, and it all ends with a huge time-traveling twist setting up Season 2.

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The X-Men split into the Blue and Gold teams to take down Magneto and Bastion as we recap Episode 9, "Tolerance Is Extinction, Part 2." After Rogue and Sunspot join Magneto on Asteroid M, the team has 12 hours to convince him to restart the magnetism of the world before everyone dies. Meanwhile, the other team is trying to take down Bastion, only to run into Mister Sinister's corruption of Cable. And this all leads up to the moment we've been waiting for: Magneto rips out Wolverine's adamantium skeleton.

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The three-part X-Men '97 Season 1 finale begins with "Tolerance Is Extinction, Part 1" as Bastion activates the Prime Sentinels, and Magneto goes HAM. Scott, Jean, and Cable fight their way away from Bastion's army. Wolverine and Nightcrawler team up to protect Rogue. And Jubilee and Roberto deal more with the subtle prejudice of Roberto's Mom. All leading up to a classic "Magneto was right" from Val Cooper. Plus tons of Easter eggs, references, tons of cameos and much more.

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The season's big villain is revealed as we recap X-Men '97 Episode 7, "Bright Eyes," on our podcast. With Gambit dead, Rogue is going HAM trying to track down Bolivar Trask and Henry Gyrich. Meanwhile, the rest of the team deals with mourning in their own way... And trying to help the remains of Genosha. Sunspot comes out as a mutant to his Mom, thanks to Jubilee. And Captain America guest stars! Plus, the reveal of our big bad guy, Bastion, and his organization OZT (Operation: Zero Tolerance). Oh, and Magneto is alive. Surprise!

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Right on time, we're rolling out our podcast recap of X-Men '97 Episode 6, "Lifedeath - Part 2." After the devastating attack on Genosha, we're jumping to Xavier in space, and Forge and Storm on Earth. Following up on the previous episode, Forge has been bitten by The Adversary. Now it's up to Storm to battle her internal and external demons to save him. Meanwhile, Xavier and Lilandra are in space and dealing with some Shi'ar politics. And the architect behind the attack is revealed. Plus: the show drops some serious MCU connections.

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We're recapping the epic fifth episode of X-Men '97 "Remember It" on our podcast, as everything changes forever, again. While Cyclops is wrestling with Jean Grey drama back at the mansion and getting grilled by Trish Tilby, Magneto, Rogue, and Gambit head to Genosha. Once they get there, their own romantic tensions come to a head. And once things seem to be settled, they go as wrong as possible... Leading to multiple gigantic deaths, and the status quo changed possibly for good. Plus, we read and discuss writer Beau DeMayo's poignant statement on the episode.

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X-Men '97 focuses in and rolls out two stories on Episode 4, "Motendo / Lifedeath - Part 1," and we're recapping the whole thing. In the first part, Jubilee and Roberto take on Mojo in a deadly video game. In the second, Storm and Forge try to get her powers back, but an evil owl stands in her way. Plus, so much relationship drama in such a short period of time!

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The Goblin Queen and Mr. Sinister arrive on X-Men '97 Episode 3 "Fire Made Flesh" and we're recapping it all on our podcast. When a second Jean Grey shows up at the mansion, it turns out one of them is a clone. That leads to a very loose adaptation of the Inferno storyline from the comic books, as well as a kick-off to the origin of Cable, and a million other things. We discuss the insane pace of this episode, as well as the whole "Magneto/Rogue age gap" thing, and much more.

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X-Men '97 has arrived on Disney+, ushering in a new but old era of the X-Men! We discuss the first two episodes of the reboot on our podcast, "To Me, My X-Men," and "Mutant Liberation Begins." How does this show hold up against the high standard of X-Men: The Animated Series? Will this show save the MCU? Plus, is Rogue secretly a cat?

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Seems like Ironheart and Wonder Man are still being worked on at Marvel, despite reports to the contrary. Plus, X-Men '97 producer Beau DeMayo fired a week before the premiere. Venom 3 gets a new title and release date. And how many cameos will be in Deadpool & Wolverine? So many?

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Episode Rundown:

• Venom 3 is titled Venom: The Last Dance, moves up release date: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/venom-last-dance-release-tom-hardy-sony-1235851086/
• Beau DeMayo fired from Marvel before X-Men ’97 premiere: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/marvel-shocker-x-men-97-creator-beau-demayo-fired-1235850423/
• Miriam Margolyes turned down Agatha for pay reasons: https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/books-magazines/books/miriam-margolyes-says-steve-martin-was-horrid-to-work-with/news-story/d5168f723ff11991185689ac34df04a4
• Ironheart and Wonder Man both in edits: https://agentsoffandom.com/ironheart-wonder-man-release-update/
• James Marsden teases possible Cyclops return in Deadpool & Wolverine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFuKdRaSJTY
• Deadpool & Wolverine is “full of Kevin Feige jokes,” says star Karan Soni: https://collider.com/deadpool-and-wolverine-kevin-feige-jokes-karan-soni/
• Madame Web now available to rent or own, one month after it hit theaters.
• Jon Bernthal teases his return as The Punisher: https://www.instagram.com/p/C4ZNa_OvceU/?igsh=cGE1dWM5eWJjZzB2
• Lindsay Lohan in talks to play a “vixen superhero”: https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/lindsay-lohan-wants-another-baby-with-bader-shammas-in-next-year-or-2/

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On this week's MCU news podcast, Emma Corrin has been revealed to be playing Cassandra Nova in Deadpool & Wolverine. A Young Avengers movie might be coming. Kang is either gone, Colman Domingo, or something else. And more Marvel news.

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Episode Rundown:

• Emma Corrin is Cassandra Nova, Professor X’s evil sister, in Deadpool & Wolverine
• Hollywood Reporter drops Marvel breakdown: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/marvel-fantastic-four-avengers-movies-1235830951/
• Colman Domingo addresses Kang rumors: https://comicbook.com/movies/news/marvel-mcu-kang-replacement-actor-colman-domingo-address-rumor/
• Iman Vellani has been “assured” Ms. Marvel will return: https://www.polygon.com/24087888/iman-vellani-ms-marvel-young-avengers
• Is a Young Avengers movie coming? https://comicbookclublive.com/2024/02/28/young-avengers-movie-development-marvel-studios/
• Ebon Moss-Bachrach teases Fantastic Four on Kimmel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddtpG84IwVU
• Joe Locke teases Agatha:https://variety.com/2024/legit/podcasts/heartstopper-joe-locke-sweeney-todd-marvel-agatha-wandavision-spinoff-1235917556/
• Ray Winstone's experience on Black Widow reshoots was “soul-destroying”: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/ray-winstone-soul-destroying-experience-filming-black-widow-1235839139/
• Inside Madame Web’s collapse: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/madame-web-bomb-killed-sony-franchise-1235829471/
• Juno Temple says Venom 3 is almost done shooting: https://variety.com/2024/film/news/venom-3-end-filming-juno-temple-crazy-1235921648/
• Venom 3 is filming at the Bellagio fountain, is it an Ocean's 11 reboot?

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Madame Web is now in theaters, and we're finally ready to lay down our spoiler-filled thoughts on the film. What did we think about the Dakota Johnson and Sydney Sweeney starring Sony Spider-Man-related film? Is it as bad as everyone says? Or perhaps... Better? And what is the future of Sony's Spider-Man universe after this film? We discuss all the spoilers, Easter eggs, and much, much more.

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It's a packed week of MCU news, with the Deadpool 3 trailer, the X-Men '97 trailer, and the reveal of the Fantastic Four cast. We're breaking down our thoughts on all those huge Marvel news items. Plus some updates on Thunderbolts filming, Spider-Man TV series, and a rumor about Henry Cavill in the MCU.

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Episode Rundown:

• Deadpool 3 trailer breakdown and reaction.
• Deadpool 3 official writing credits include Ryan Reynolds.
• Taylor Swift Deadpool 3 cameo rumors heat up because of an Australian Instagram post: https://www.instagram.com/p/C3ZY0xQu81n/?igsh=MWU0bXh4ZmN3d2J4ZQ%3D%3D
• X-Men ’97 trailer breakdown and reaction.
• Theo James is joining X-Men ’97 as a “mystery fan favorite”: https://ew.com/x-men-97-trailer-legacy-costumes-casting-confirmed-theo-james-8580432
• MCU Fantastic Four cast revealed - finally.
• Thunderbolts, Fantastic Four filming dates revealed: https://comicbookclublive.com/2024/02/15/fantastic-four-starts-production-august-in-the-uk-but-will-the-release-date-shift/
• Silk: Spider Society writers room paused: https://theankler.com/p/silk-spider-society-writers-room?utm_medium=ios
• Nicolas Cage may be headed to live-action Spider-Man: Noir series.
• Rumor Patrol: Henry Cavill cast in MCU? Sure, why not?

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Despite Disney CEO Bob Iger omitting several Marvel movies on a recent investor call, the official release schedule of MCU films (aka the MCU Upcoming Film Slate) is staying steady. Plus, Pedro Pascal is Mr. Fantastic (probably), Thunderbolts filming begins shortly, and plenty of new looks at the Daredevil suit have leaked.

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Episode Rundown:

• Bob Iger confirms reduced Marvel output, focuses on stronger franchises, and skips some big movies during an investor call.
• However, the MCU's upcoming film slate stays steady on Disney's theatrical release schedule.
• Marvel releases new, official timeline including Netflix shows by season: https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fbetrbnn06ghc1.jpeg
• Kumail Nanjiani reveals he went to therapy over bad Eternals reviews: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/kumail-nanjiani-counseling-eternals-bad-reviews-1235817946/
• Crew member dies on set of Wonder Man: https://deadline.com/2024/02/wonder-man-tv-series-crew-member-dies-accident-1235816662/
• GoFundme for Juan "Spike" Osorio:
• https://www.gofundme.com/f/juan-spike-osorio-wu
• Florence Pugh says Thunderbolts filming should begin shortly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5J6buwjSD1k&t=234s
• New Daredevil suit leaks: https://twitter.com/ChereNatalija/status/1756039744926921134
• Echo viewing stats revealed: 731 million minutes for January 8-14 on Nielsen, which comes in at number 10.

MCU Upcoming Film Slate, 2024 Through 2027:

Here's the complete list of upcoming Marvel/MCU movies with release dates through 2027, as of February 11, 2024:

• Untitled Deadpool Movie - 7/26/24
• Captain America: Brave New World - 2/14/25
• Fantastic Four - 5/2/25
• Thunderbolts - 7/25/25
• Blade - 11/7/25
• Untitled Marvel - 2/13/26
• Avengers: The Kang Dynasty - 5/1/26
• Untitled Marvel - 7/24/26
• Untitled Marvel - 11/6/26
• Avengers: Secret Wars - 5/7/27

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Will the Deadpool 3 trailer premiere at this year's Super Bowl? We've got some speculation about that on this week's MCU news podcast. Plus, Geraldine Viswanathan steps in for Ayo Edebiri in Thunderbolts. New Daredevil: Born Again details leak from set. And more Marvel news.

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Episode Rundown:

• Geraldine Viswanathan steps in for Ayo Edebiri in Thunderbolts: https://deadline.com/2024/01/thunderbolts-geraldine-viswanathan-marvel-studios-ayo-edebiri-1235807672/
• New Daredevil Born Again details revealed: Mayor Fisk’s slogan, Brett Mahoney is back.
• What If…? director reveals episodes that didn’t make it: https://www.marvel.com/articles/tv-shows/what-if-director-bryan-andrews-season-2
• Deadpool 3 Super Bowl ad coming?
• Weird Japanese Deadpool 3 summary drops.
• Cheo Hodari Coker reveals Luke Cage Season 3 episode titles: https://twitter.com/cheo_coker/status/1752739054251323602
• Echo reportedly cost $40 million to make: https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2024/01/20/echo-daredevil-and-street-level-heroes-are-the-answer-to-marvels-disney-plus-problems/amp/
• El Muerto is still in development without Bad Bunny: https://variety.com/2024/film/features/sony-marvel-universe-kraven-madame-web-venom-1235884120/
• Disney presenting at CinemaCon on April 11, in a two-hour-long slot. But what will they present?

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Karen Page and Foggy Nelson, aka Deborah Ann Woll and Elden Henson, are officially back on set for Daredevil: Born Again. We discuss what this means for the new Disney+ show on our Marvel news podcast. Plus, Lewis Pullman might take over the role of Sentry from Steven Yeun in Thunderbolts. Deadpool 3 wraps filming. And will Andrew Garfield and Tobey Maguire be back for Spider-Man 4?

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Episode Rundown:

• Yep, Karen and Foggy are back in Daredevil: Born Again
• Mayor Fisk storyline confirmed for Daredevil: Born Again
• Lewis Pullman the top choice to replace Steven Yeun in Thunderbolts: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/thunderbolts-lewis-pullman-replace-steven-yeun-1235778884/
• Deadpool 3 wraps, Ryan Reynolds, Hugh Jackman and Shawn Levy all celebrate: https://www.instagram.com/p/C2fUEegM4is/
• Tom Hollander Accidentally Got Tom Holland’s Avengers bonus check: https://comicbook.com/movies/news/tom-hollander-actually-got-tom-hollands-money-once/
• Rumor Patrol: Andrew Garfield, Tobey Maguire possibly back for Spider-Man 4?

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Our Marvel News Updates are back for the new year, kicking it off with Daredevil: Born Again returning to production with some big changes. Echo has debuted at number one on Hulu and Disney+. Plus Steven Yeun has exited Thunderbolts, She-Hulk Season 2 is unlikely to happen, and more MCU news.

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Episode Rundown:

• Daredevil: Born Again Restarts Production With Some Big Changes: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/daredevil-born-again-resumes-filming-echo-1235793539/
• Echo Debuts At Number One On Disney+ and Hulu, Whatever That Means
• Steven Yeun Exits Thunderbolts: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/steven-yeun-will-not-star-marvel-thunderbolts-1235777860/
• She-Hulk Season 2 Unlikely To Happen: https://gizmodo.com/she-hulk-season-2-release-tatiana-maslany-marvel-studio-1851169245
• Madame Web Takes Place In A “Standalone” World: https://ew.com/madame-web-dakota-johnson-exclusive-preview-8432016

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Echo has arrived on Disney+ and Hulu, but is the series a new era for Marvel TV, or just a, er, echo of the old one? As Maya Lopez heads back home to Oklahoma, she encounters old friends, old enemies, and makes some new ones as well. Plus, we get a brand new riff on Maya's comic book powers, a cameo from Daredevil, and lots of Kingpin goodness. We discuss all that and plenty more on this spoiler-filled podcast, including what that end credits scene might mean for Daredevil: Born Again.

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What If...? Season 2 has arrived, and what if we waited until it was all over to do a spoiler review? That's exactly what's happening here as we break down the second season of Disney+'s animated MCU series. Plus, what does the ending mean for the greater MCU -- and What If...? Season 3?

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We're doing a Marvel trailer catchup diving into the new(ish) looks at Madame Web, What If? Season 2, and Echo.

First up, he was in the Amazon with my mom when she was researching spiders right before she died. Or, more specifically, we're discussing the Dakota Johnson, Sydney Sweeney movie Madame Web. What do you need to know from the comics? And will it have a bigger multiverse connection?

Next, we're breaking down the rumored episode titles for What If? Season 2, and what might happen in the nine-episode event. That includes a 1602-inspired episode, a Die Hard episode, and more.

And last but not least, what do we think about Echo? Is the series really standalone, given it spins off of Hawkeye and Daredevil? What are Echo's powers? And will it be, you know: good?

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We're back with some MCU news updates, including Tom Holland making recent comments on Spider-Man 4. Plus, Bob Iger makes some comments on why he thinks The Marvels failed. Avengers: Kang Dynasty gets a new writer, but who is the new director? And Venom 3 and Deadpool 3 are back in production.

Episode Rundown:

Tom Holland will only play Spider-Man again if it’s “worth the while”: https://collider.com/tom-holland-spider-man-future/

Bob Iger says The Marvels failed because of a lack of “supervision on the set”: https://www.cnbc.com/2023/11/29/iger-explains-marvels-flop-too-many-disney-sequels.html

The Avengers reuniting is “news to” Chris Evans: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/chris-evans-rumors-original-avengers-reassembling-mcu-1235683555/

Avengers: Kang Dynasty snags Michael Waldron To Write: https://deadline.com/2023/11/loki-michael-waldron-marvel-studios-avengers-kang-dynasty-1235638887/

WandaVision special feature teases Agatha: Darkhold Diaries: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=118GHrSTalk

Venom 3, Deadpool 3 resume filming

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The Marvels is in theaters, and we're breaking down all the big moments and MCU fallout on our podcast review. When Ms. Marvel, Captain Marvel, and Monica Rambeau (codename TBD) get entangled, they start switching bodies and fun ensues. But don't worry, there's also a plot involving bad guy Dar-Benn, the Kree, some wormhole things, and of course some big teases for what's coming forward.

...And since we taped this two weekends in, we also know that The Marvels plummeted at the box office. We discuss why we think the movie is imploding, at least when it comes to box office receipts, and what this might mean for the MCU going forward. Plus, how Marvel Studios can pivot off the teases in the pre- and post-credits scenes.

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Loki Season 2, Episode 6 "Glorious Purpose" brings the series to a close, and sets up a surprising new status quo for the title character -- and the TVA. As Loki continues to use his time-slipping powers, he discovers the origin of The Loom, what He Who Remains has been up to, and ultimately makes a decision that changes everything.

So how did we feel about the finale of the series? What does this mean for the MCU going forward? And will we ever see Loki again?

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Loki Season 2, Episode 5 "Science/Fiction" sends the title character rocketing through time and space as we recap on our podcast. With the TVA destroyed Loki is time-slipping again. But why? And how? Turns out he gets by with a little help from his friends, so it's up to him to reunite the time-lost Mobius, Hunter B-15, Oroborus, Sylvie, and Casey to repair the time-stream. Or is it?? There are plenty of twists and turns -- and arguing -- as we break down this episode, including the Episode 5 post-credits tease, Easter eggs (?), and more.

Plus, we discuss the bombshell report in Variety about the state of the MCU, and what it means for Jonathan Majors as Kang... And the Loki Season 2 finale.

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Loki Season 2, Episode 4 "The Heart Of The TVA" brings on the end of everything, perhaps, as we recap on our podcast. With the TVA in trouble, it's up to Loki and his amazing friends to save the day and put a doohickey in another doohickey in order to save another doohickey. We discuss what's been going wrong with the show, and what's been going right with only two episodes left in the season.

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It's time (get it) to meet Victor Timely on Loki Season 2, Episode 3 "1893" as we recap on our podcast. Loki and Mobius are trying to track down Ravonna Renslayer and Miss Minutes. Instead, they meet a new variant of He Who Remains, aka Kang, leading to a deadly showdown with Sylvie.

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Loki gets back to the ol' episodic structure with Season 2, Episode 2 "Breaking Brad." Loki and Mobius are hot on the trail of Hunter X-05, aka Brad Wolfe, aka Zaniac. But once they catch him, it leads to some surprising emotional revelations for the duo. Plus, we talk a lot about the show setting a significant portion of the action in McDonald's.

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Loki Season 2 is finally here! We're breaking down all the big moments on the season premiere of Disney+'s MCU series, "Ouroboros", as the God of Mischief returns to the TVA. What was really going on after that cliffhanger last season? Does the show hold up after some major changes behind the scenes? And what do we think about that end credits scene set at McDonald's? We discuss that all, plus profess our undying love for new cast member Ke Huy Quan.

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lease date shakeup! Some major changes to the Marvel schedule have dropped, changing up the whole calendar. Plus, Agatha changes its title to Darkhold Diaries... But is there something else going on with the series? A new Loki teaser drops. And rumors are flying about the length of The Marvels.

Episode Rundown:

• Marvel Release Date Shakeup: Echo, Agatha, Ironheart All Shifting: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/marvel-tv-show-release-dates-1235580093/
• Is Agatha: Darkhold Diaries the actual name of the series?
• New Loki teaser drops: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rg8pCyrZYaA
• Elizabeth Olsen says she needs to move on from Scarlet Witch: https://variety.com/2023/film/news/elizabeth-olsen-marvel-break-characters-scarlet-witch-1235710714/
• Gwyneth Paltrow isn’t doing Marvel because “Iron Man died”: https://twitter.com/joegunn/status/1697025681476002131
• Rumor Patrol: Is The Marvels only 107 minutes long?



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 its full schedule for September 8-10... Despite the WGA and SAG strike still going on, what will be announced at the big Walt Disney Studios Showcase panel? Plus, Loki and WandaVision are headed to Blu-Ray with a bunch of extra features, and Echo is still planned for a November release. All that and more on our Marvel News podcast.

Episode Rundown:

• D23 Announced for September 8-10: https://deadline.com/2023/08/disney-destination-d23-event-dates-schedule-panels-2023-1235431491/
• Loki, Wandavision head to Blu-Ray with bonus features.
• Will The Marvels move up release dates to take advantage of IMAX?
• Echo not shifting release dates: https://tvline.com/lists/the-good-wife-spinoff-spoilers-elsbeth-matt-czuchry-cary/echo-release-date-disney-plus/

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ctor Strange 3 happening sooner than expected. Plus, a Wiccan series, Marvel VFX workers are moving to unionize, and we break down what McDonald's Loki sauce means for Season 2 of the series.

Episode Rundown:

• Marvel VFX Workers Move To Unionize: https://deadline.com/2023/08/marvel-vfx-crews-unionize-iatse-1235456936/
• New Loki sauce at McDonald’s, explained: https://www.fastcompany.com/90940349/mcdonalds-marvel-loki-disney-famous-orders
• Doctor Strange 3, Wiccan listed in Production Weekly: https://www.productionweekly.com/production-weekly-issue-1363-thursday-august-17-2023-144-listings-31-pages/
• Rumor Patrol: Is Thor 5 in development?

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n our Marvel Studios news podcast, we're once again talking about rumors for the Fantastic Four cast, despite a strike happening and no casting going on. Plus, Beyond the Spider-Verse and Kraven shift dates, Loki Season 2 drops a new trailer, and Adam Brody as Star-Lord? It could have happened!

Episode Rundown:

• Disney scanned people without telling them why when making WandaVision: https://www.npr.org/2023/08/02/1190605685/movie-extras-worry-theyll-be-replaced-by-ai-hollywood-is-already-doing-body-scan 
• Loki Season 2 trailer drops online: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dug56u8NN7g
• Emma Corrin doesn’t say much about Deadpool 3: https://www.empireonline.com/movies/news/emma-corrin-villain-deadpool-3/
• Adam Brody auditioned for Star-Lord: https://variety.com/2023/film/columns/adam-brody-method-acting-guardians-of-the-galaxy-river-wild-1235686348/
• Marvel only asked for two things from Secret Invasion:https://www.thewrap.com/secret-invasion-mcu-future-director-ali-selim-interview/
• Beyond the Spider-Verse moves off schedule, Kraven shifts to 2024: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/spider-man-beyond-the-spider-verse-delayed-1235547084/
• Rumor Patrol: Just kidding about that other Fantastic Four cast, but is Matt Smith up for Reed Richards? And Vanessa Kirby for Sue Storm? And Joseph Quinn for Johnny Storm? And Ebon Moss-Bachrach for Ben Grimm? Maybe?
• Rumor Patrol #2: Aubrey Plaza’s Agatha: Coven of Chaos role revealed? https://twitter.com/CanWeGetToast/status/1687219836232028160

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 whether it will save the MCU. Plus, Kathryn Newton's screentest for Hawkeye, Secret Invasion's Rotten Tomatoes score is the lowest in MCU history, will Spider-Man be in Invincible Season 2, and more.

Episode Rundown:

• New The Marvels trailer debuts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wS_qbDztgVY
• Kathryn Newton’s screentest for Kate Bishop drops online: https://twitter.com/mcunewsrumors/status/1681654606907035648
• Secret Invasion final episode lowest Rotten Tomatoes score in MCU history: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/secret_invasion/s01/e06
• Is Spider-Man in Invincible Season 2?
• Thomas Haden Church says he’s heard “rumors” of a Sam Raimi/Tobey Maguire Spider-Man 4: https://comicbook.com/movies/news/spider-man-4-sam-raimi-rumors-thomas-haden-church-reveals/
• Dermot Mulroney reacts to Harrison Ford being the next President in the MCU: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYwF6XWECMc
• Guardians of the Galaxy 3 coming to Disney+ on August 2

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On the series finale of Secret Invasion, Nick Fury takes the fight to Gravik as we recap "Home". With the world on the brink of World War III, it's up to Fury to try and defuse the situation, along with Olivia Colman, Gi'ah, and his wife, Priscilla. We discuss/shout about the big moments in the episode, as well as talk a bit about what it means for the future of the MCU.

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Gravik's master plan is revealed as we scream a lot about Secret Invasion Episode 5, "Harvest", on our Marvel podcast. While Olivia Colman speed-runs through the plot, Nick finally gets his eyepatch back, Rhodey acts like a jerk, and Mrs. Fury blows up her very nice house. Plus who is Nick Fury calling at the end of the episode??

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While the SAG and WGA strikes shut down Hollywood, Iman Vellani is co-writing a new comic for Marvel titled Ms. Marvel: The New Mutant. Plus: Bob Iger makes some boneheaded statements about Marvel TV, Hayley Atwell reacts to Captain Carter's Multiverse of Madness appearance, and we discuss whether the entire plot of Deadpool 3 has leaked online.

Episode Rundown:

• Iman Vellani co-writing Ms. Marvel: The New Mutant for Marvel: https://ew.com/books/iman-vellani-writing-new-ms-marvel-comic/
• SAG Strike shuts down Marvel! What's the status of the MCU's TV shows and movies?
• Bob Iger shades Marvel TV in an interview during a Billionaires' conference.
• Hayley Atwell was frustrated with her Multiverse of Madness appearance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pctAlPoV7Wk
• Deadpool 3 shows off Hugh Jackman in Wolverine costume: https://twitter.com/deadpoolmovie/status/1678429042570326017
• Jennifer Garner returns as Elektra in Deadpool 3: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/deadpool-3-jennifer-garner-returning-as-elektra-1235530539/
• Rumor Patrol: Did the entire plot of Deadpool 3 leak online?

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Nick and Talos team up to save the President as we recap Secret Invasion Episode 4 "Beloved" on our Marvel podcast. After a scuffle with Mrs. Fury, Nick discovers yet another Skrull mole. Meanwhile, the reports of Gi'ah's death have been greatly exaggerated.

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Gravik makes a big move and once again not everyone is making it out alive as we recap Secret Invasion Episode 3, "Betrayed", on our Marvel podcast. After Nick deals with his secret wife Varra, he's back with his public wife, Talos, and trying to stop Gravik's latest plan. Meanwhile, Sonya gives her owl a cute eyepatch, and Giah pays the ultimate price. Plus, is Daisy Johnson in Secret Invasion? We discuss.

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After last episode's big death, Nick Fury is left reeling and we recap Secret Invasion Episode 2, "Promises" on our podcast. Fury is on the run after letting his partner die, but still has time to talk to Rhodey about international politics. Meanwhile, Gravik's plan is (sort of) revealed.

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Marvel's Secret Invasion is here, and we're breaking down all the big moments in the first episode of Disney+'s Skrulls vs. Nick Fury show on our Marvel podcast. With an attack on Earth imminent, Nick Fury teams up with Talos and Maria Hill to try to figure out what the villainous shape-changers are up to -- leading to a moment at the end that's a controversial choice, to say the least.

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Has the cast of the MCU Fantastic Four been revealed? We break down the rumored rundown of Marvel's first family. Plus, the first five minutes of Secret Invasion have been posted online; we break down what it means for the show. And more Marvel news!

Episode Rundown:

• First five minutes of Secret Invasion released online: https://www.theinvasionhasbegun.com/ 
• Updated version of Across The Spider-Verse sent to theaters: https://variety.com/2023/film/news/spider-man-across-the-spider-verse-audio-issues-fixed-1235639035/
• Chris Hemsworth reviews Thor: Love and Thunder: https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/chris-hemsworth-interview-2023/amp
• Apple Vision Pro teases that you could become a character in What If? https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1665797404510105602?t=4BOVgghwzy4c1PZJWIOTmA&s=19
• Rumor Patrol: Fantastic Four cast leaked (maybe): https://twitter.com/izzamadi/status/1663180054950563840

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It's time to return to the Spider-Verse as we thwip into a spoiler-heavy review for Spider-Man: Across The Spider-Verse. From our experiences watching it in the theater, to all the new characters like Miguel O'Hara and The Spot, to big theories about Miles and Gwen -- and Beyond the Spider-Verse -- we're breaking it all down with a ton of Easter eggs in tow.

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The writers' strike continues to impact Marvel as Thunderbolts and Wonder Man both have been shut down. But what's going on with Marvel's other productions? Plus, Florence Pugh takes heat for her role in the MCU, Venom 3 gets an over-qualified cinematographer, and Elizabeth Olsen reveals she stopped reading scripts for Doctor Strange In The Multiverse of Madness.

Episode Rundown:

• Thunderbolts, Wonder Man halted by writers strike: https://deadline.com/2023/05/marvel-thunderbolts-writers-strike-1235380504/
• Florence Pugh says indie film community was “pissed” when she joined Marvel: https://time.com/collection/next-generation-leaders/6278537/florence-pugh-leaders/
• Justice League cinematographer joins Venom 3: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/venom-3-to-be-shot-by-justice-league-1235498118/
• Elizabeth Olsen stopped reading drafts of Multiverse of Madness: https://twitter.com/joshuahorowitz/status/1662072016856334339

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Marvel has announced Disney+ premiere dates for Loki Season 2 and Echo, and the latter is dropping all in one day. So what does that mean for the show? Plus: Seth Rollins joins Captain America 4 in a mystery role, a Guardians 3 villain is confirmed to have survived, Across The Spider-Verse news, Kang Dynasty news, and more.

Episode Rundown:

• Loki Season 2, Echo premiere dates announced, and Echo is dropping all on the same day.
• Seth Rollins joins Captain America 4… But who is he playing? https://wrestlelamia.co.uk/seth-rollins-missing-tv-time/
• Sam Wilson gets a new suit in Captain America 4: https://twitter.com/UpdatesCAP4/status/1658803940773752833
• High Evolutionary does survive Guardians 3: https://thedirect.com/article/guardians-3-villain-twist-ending-photo
• Across the Spider-Verse MCU reference is just a joke: https://www.digitalspy.com/movies/a43884356/spider-man-across-spiderverse-mcu-crossover/
• Rumor: Jeff Loveness off Kang Dynasty: https://twitter.com/TheInSneider/status/1659354323992870959

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The WGA writers' strike is impacting Marvel movies and TV shows, and we're breaking down which ones have been stopped, and which are barreling forward. Plus, Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 box office, the Iron Man deleted scenes you've never seen, and Captain America 4 might get a title change.

Episode Rundown:

• Writers Strike Update: Which Marvel TV Shows and Movies Have Been Shut Down? https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/marvels-blade-delayed-writers-strike-1235480828/
• Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 is expected to pass $500 million this weekend.
• Should Chukwudi Iwuji replace Jonathan Majors as Kang, or are fans just being weirdly racist?
• Secret Invasion Behind the Scenes video shows off the making of the show: https://twitter.com/USATODAY/status/1656284442464509954
• There are a bunch of deleted Iron Man scenes of Tony doing laundry: https://screenrant.com/iron-man-producer-deleted-scene-revealed/
• Spider-Man: Across The Spider-Verse tracking for $70-$80m opening: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/spider-man-across-spider-verse-box-office-tracking-1235485329/
• Rumor Patrol: Captain America 4 may get a title change

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It's time for one last ride with the Guardians and we're breaking down all the big moments in our spoiler review podcast for Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3. When Rocket gets badly hurt, it's up to the team to find out more about his origins and come toe to toe with the man who made him: the High Evolutionary. From the final moments for Star-Lord, Nebula, Drax, Mantis, Gamora, Rocket, and Groot, to those two post-credits scenes, to what this all means for the future of the Guardians, we discuss it all.

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The first reviews and reactions to Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 are here and we're reading the tea leaves to find out what they mean. Plus, a True Detective writer joins Blade, Agatha: Coven of Chaos is a musical, and some more wild Fantastic Four rumors.

Episode Rundown:

• Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 first reactions and reviews are in!
• Zoe Saldana is retiring from Gamora: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-features/guardians-of-the-galaxy-chris-pratt-cast-saved-james-gunn-1235401687/
• True Detective’s Nic Pizzolatto to write Blade: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/marvels-blade-nabs-true-detective-creator-1235405915/
• Patti Lupone says Agatha is a musical: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-features/patti-lupone-beau-is-afraid-1235375574/
• Kraven the Hunter brings footage to CinemaCon, promises R-rating: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/kraven-the-hunter-aaron-taylor-johnson-1235401098/
• Andy Samberg and Jorma Taccone are in Across The Spider-Verse: https://www.instagram.com/thelonelyisland/?hl=en
• Krysten Ritter would like to return as Jessica Jones: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7JZo8m4DQc
• Rumor Patrol: Mila Kunis isn’t up for Sue Storm in Fantastic Four, she’s up for The Thing? https://twitter.com/MyTimeToShineH/status/1652062914910601216

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Is it time for Marvel to make a decision about Jonathan Majors as Kang? We discuss that, and several slightly less hot-button topics on our Marvel news podcast. Specifically, we delve into the rumors swirling around Fantastic Four casting, with Adam Driver reportedly bumped to the top pick for Reed Richards. But is Mila Kunis Sue Storm? Plus, Patti Lupone drops some details about Agatha: Coven of Chaos, Juno Temple joins Venom 3, and more.

Episode Rundown:

• Does Marvel need to make a decision about Jonathan Majors as Kang?
• Patti Lupone is playing Lila Calderu in Agatha: Coven of Chaos: https://www.thewrap.com/agatha-coven-of-chaos-patti-lupone-character-lilia-calderu/
• The Wolverine in Deadpool 3 is a “divergence” from what Hugh Jackman has previously done, says Ryan Reynolds: https://variety.com/2023/film/news/hugh-jackman-wolverine-deadpool-3-diverges-x-men-films-1235586735/
• Katy O’Brian thought she was auditioning for The Marvels, not Ant-Man 3: https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/ant-man-quantumania-star-katy-obrian-interview-love-lies-bleeding
• Juno Temple May Join Venom 3 in mystery role: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/venom-3-casts-juno-temple-1235398666/
• Victoria Alonso and Disney have settled: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/victoria-alonso-disney-reach-settlement-marvel-1235356923/
• Shang-Chi is airing on broadcast TV… Cool, or does this mean anything for Shang-Chi 2: https://comicbook.com/movies/news/marvel-studios-shang-chi-and-the-legend-of-the-ten-rings-air-tv-disney-abc-fx-freeform/
• Scarlet Scarab is coming to Marvel Comics: https://www.ign.com/articles/moon-knight-the-mcus-scarlet-scarab-to-make-marvel-comics-debut
• Spider-Man movies are finally on Disney+, Venom coming soon
• Rumor Patrol: Is Adam Driver Reed Richards in Fantastic Four? Is Mila Kunis in the running for Sue Storm?
• CinemaCon Preview

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The Marvels trailer is here, and trolls are already making it the most disliked trailer in MCU history. We break down the big moments from the first look at the new Brie Larson movie, as well as discuss what that review-bombing means for the flick's future. Meanwhile, Mia Goth joins Blade, presumably playing herself, Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 has released some early box office numbers, and some upcoming casting news -- including the first look at Ben Kingsley's Trevor Slattery in Wonder Man.

Episode Rundown:

• The Marvels trailer breakdown: who is the new villain Dar-Benn?
• The Marvels trailer is the most disliked MCU movie trailer on YouTube
• Mia Goth joins Marvel’s Blade: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/blade-mia-goth-marvel-movie-1235372893/
• Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 early tracking set for at least $125-$130 million opening: https://www.thewrap.com/guardians-vol-3-box-office-125-million-projection/
• Trevor Slattery is returning for Wonder Man: https://www.instagram.com/p/Cq80UYBIByX/
• Morena Baccarin and Stefan Kapicic return for Deadpool 3: https://deadline.com/2023/04/morena-baccarin-stefan-kapicic-deadpool-3-retun-vanessa-colossus-1235322308/

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Could a Marvel vs DC movie happen? James Gunn weighs in on the possibility, and we discuss the implications on our Marvel news podcast. Plus, we break down the trailer for Spider-Man: Across The Spider-Verse, explore whether there's more than one Nick Fury in Secret Invasion, more James Gunn on the arc of the Guardians of the Galaxy movies, and check in on a rumor that Galactus and Silver Surfer might be in Fantastic Four.

Episode Rundown:

• James Gunn talks potential Marvel/DC crossover movie: https://www.empireonline.com/movies/news/james-gunn-talks-potential-marvel-dc-crossover-exclusive/
• How the Across The Spider-Verse trailer connects to No Way Home
• Secret Invasion trailer premieres first look at spy series... Is it hiding a second Nick Fury?
• Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 tickets now on sale
• James Gunn explains the character arc of the Guardians movies... Is Rocket going to die?
• Frank Grillo reveals why he “went over to DC," but why are there so many bone-themed Captain America villains? https://comicbook.com/movies/news/frank-grillo-confirm-dc-creature-commandos-role-exclusive/
• Rumor Patrol: Are Galactus and Silver Surfer in Fantastic Four? https://thedirect.com/article/marvel-studios-fantastic-four-movie-villain-report

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We've got a big Marvel news update this week, including info on Secret Invasion, Fantastic Four, and more. Plus on the business side, we're discussing some new wrinkles in the exit of Victoria Alonso, the firing of Ike Perlmutter, and what Jonathan Majors' arrest might mean for his future in the MCU.

Episode Rundown:

• Secret Invasion reveals Emilia Clarke’s character, plot details, and maybe a release date: https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2023/03/secret-invasion-marvel-exclusive
• Ike Perlmutter Is out at Disney - what that means for Marvel movies, and comics: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/29/business/media/disney-marvel-ike-perlmutter.html
• Liv Tyler is back as Betty Ross in Captain America: New World Order... Is this a secret Hulk movie?: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/captain-america-liv-tyler-betty-ross-1235361579/
• The Victoria Alonso Saga continues: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/marvels-victoria-alonso-fired-argentina-1985-1235360231/
• Demetrius Grosse joins Wonder Man as Eric Williams, aka Grim Reaper: https://tvline.com/2023/03/29/wonder-man-marvel-series-demetrius-grosse-cast-grim-reaper/
• Trigger warning: what will happen with Jonathan Majors in the MCU after his arrest, and more details: https://variety.com/2023/film/news/jonathan-majors-text-messages-assault-arrest-1235568826/
• Matthew Macfadyen joins Deadpool 3: https://deadline.com/2023/03/successions-matthew-macfadyen-marvels-deadpool-3-1235310482/
• Fantastic Four movie gets a new writer in Josh Friedman: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/fantastic-four-movie-gets-new-writer-marvel-1235364511/
• Thunderbolts also gets a new writer in Lee Sung Jin: https://variety.com/2023/film/news/marvels-thunderbolts-lee-sung-jin-co-writer-beef-steven-yeun-1235567387/
• Rumor Patrol: Will all three live-action Spider-mans to appear in the new Across The Spider-Verse trailer?

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Victoria Alonso, one of the key players since the beginning of the MCU, is out at Marvel. On this week's Marvel news update, we discuss the ramifications of what this means for the future of Marvel, and try to untangle what is actually going on behind the scenes. Plus, Florence Pugh comments on Thunderbolts, Kingpin is spotted with hair, and more Marvel news!

Episode Rundown:

• Victoria Alonso Exits Marvel Studios: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/marvel-studios-victoria-alonso-exits-1235356853/
• Florence Pugh Comments on Thunderbolts: https://www.gamesradar.com/a-good-person-interview-zach-braff-florence-pugh/
• Daredevil: Born Again may feature flashbacks to Kingpin with a lot of hair.
• Agatha: Coven of Chaos adds composer Christophe Beck: https://filmmusicreporter.com/2023/03/20/christophe-beck-to-score-marvel-studios-agatha-coven-of-chaos/
• Megan McDonnell and Peter Cameron join Vision Quest as writers, under Jac Schaeffer as head writer and EP.

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On this week's Marvel Studios news update, we're talking about the rumored Mephisto special, the return of Scarlet Witch and more. Is Sacha Baron Cohen already at work on a Mephisto one-shot special for the MCU? Will Elizabeth Olsen return as Scarlet Witch, and if so, where -- and when? Plus, Steven Yeun comments on his Thunderbolts role, and other hot, breaking news items.

Episode Rundown:

• Rumor Patrol: Is Marvel working on a secret Mephisto special? https://www.cbr.com/rumor-sacha-baron-cohen-mephisto-disney-plus-special-mcu/
• Elizabeth Olsen on Wanda returning to the MCU: https://screenrant.com/mcu-scarlet-witch-elizabeth-olsen-wants-redemption/
• Steve Yeun Comments on Thunderbolts Role: https://www.empireonline.com/movies/news/steven-yeun-marvel-thunderbolts-exclusive/
• X-Men ’97 synopsis revealed: https://collider.com/x-men-97-series-synopsis/
• A Marvel movie will shoot in DC later this year... But which one?
• No Marvel on Disney+ in April
• Marvel and Disney Take On Spoilers Reddit, Sue Google and Reddit: https://www.wsj.com/articles/marvel-takes-google-and-reddit-to-court-over-leaked-ant-man-script-914eadb

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We're kicking off semi-regular Marvel news updates with a breakdown of the big stories that have broken over the past week. That includes the return of Jon Bernthal as Punisher for Daredevil: Born Again, Bob Iger's statements on pulling back on Marvel movie sequels, the debut of Kahhori in What If? Season 2, and much more.

Episode Rundown:

• Jon Bernthal returning as The Punisher in Daredevil: Born Again: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/daredevil-born-again-casts-jon-bernthal-punisher-1235342229/
• Meanwhile, Deborah Ann Woll and Elden Henson probably won’t be back
• Sandrine Holt Cast as Vanessa Fisk in Daredevil: Born Again: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/daredevil-born-again-lands-director-1235346034/
• Bob Iger says that while there’s “nothing inherently off” with Marvel, questions whether they need third and fourth movies, or turn to new characters: https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/09/disney-ceo-bob-iger-newness-marvel-movies.html
• Marvel Studios will introduce original characters, starting with a native Mohawk characters named Kahhori, in What If? Season 2: https://www.marvel.com/articles/tv-shows/what-if-kahhori-new-super-hero
• Marvel up for five Oscars, including Best Visual Effects, Best Costume Design, Best Original Song, Best Hair and Makeup, and Best Supporting Actress
• Quantumania box office levels out, but still might make less than Ant-Man 2
• Theory Corner: When Kang asks is Ant-Man is the one with the hammer, does he mean Thor… Or Captain America?

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Ant-Man (and the Wasp) are back for another adventure in Ant-Man and the Wasp Quantumania, and we're breaking down all the big moments and Easter eggs in the kick-off to MCU Phase 5. How was Jonathan Majors as Kang? Does Michael Douglas like ants? And does Kathryn Newton's Cassie know how to run and shout "Dad!"? We discuss all this and more in our spoiler-filled Ant-Man 3 podcast.

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Peter Parker comes swinging into the MCU as we revisit Tom Holland's first feature length adventure, Spider-Man: Homecoming, with guest Tara Bennett. Years later, does the Jon Watts directed movie hold up? How about that Michael Keaton Vulture reveal? And what's the future of Spider-Man in the Marvel Cinematic Universe? We break it all down with a woman who literally wrote the book on it.

Tara Bennett's The Story of Marvel Studios: The Making of the Marvel Cinematic Universe is available in bookstores everywhere, or at Amazon.

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The frickin' Guardians of the Galaxy are back, only we didn't say frickin' as we recap Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 on our Marvel rewatch podcast with guest Richard Newby. When Peter Quill meets his father, Ego (played by Kurt Russell), the Guardians head back to his planet to discover whether this swaggering Celestial is for real. From personal connections to the movie, to how it fits in with the Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special, as well as Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3, we've got you covered.

You can check out Richard Newby's Marvel writing on THR.

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We're opening up a portal to the MCU Phase Three with our rewatch podcast for Doctor Strange, featuring guest Matt Donnelly! While your regular hosts bring the Marvel knowledge to the introduction to Benedict Cumberbatch's Sorcerer Supreme, Matt brings the magic knowledge thanks to years working as a writer for Penn & Teller. Are Sling Rings real? How would Doctor Strange do on Penn & Teller: Fool Us? Plus, how the movie holds up, six years later.

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It's time to once again choose a side as we rewatch Captain America: Civil War on our Marvel podcast, with guest Rachel Leishman. Are you Team Cap or Team Iron Man? How do the introductions of Black Panther and Spider-Man hold up, years later? And is Zemo really the best villain in the MCU? We discuss that and much more on this week's MCU-cast.

You can check out more of Rachel Leishman's writing on The Mary Sue.

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Ant-Man superfan Langston Belton joins us as we wrap up Phase Two of the MCU with our Ant-Man rewatch podcast. Scott Lang is a con on parole, but can he also be a tiny superhero? Find out how the original movie holds up years later, why Langston loves Marvel's smallest hero, and join us for a bit of discussion and speculation about Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania, as well.

You can check out more of Langston's work on Marvel's YouTube channel.

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The Avengers assemble once more to fight a robotic menace as we revisit Avengers: Age of Ultron, with guest Jamie Jirak. In this Phase Two rewatch podcast, Jamie reveals how Age of Ultron influenced her personal journey. Plus, we discuss the lasting legacy of Vision, Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver, as well as what does -- and doesn't -- hold up about the movie years later.

You can check out more of Jamie Jirak's writing on ComicBookdotcom, or listen to her on the Phase Zero podcast.

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It's the most Marvel-lous time of the year as we review the Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special on our MCU podcast. With Starlord bummed out about Gamora, it's up to Drax and Mantis to save Christmas by kidnapping Kevin Bacon. And along the way there's a few musical performances, some surprises and Easter eggs (including Batman???), and some big teases for what's coming up in Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3.

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It's time to return to Wakanda as we offer up our review and reaction to Black Panther: Wakanda Forever on our Marvel podcast. From the tributes to the late, great Chadwick Boseman, to the new Black Panther, to the movie's "villain" Namor, we're discussing it all.

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It's another classic Thor adventure as we break down our favorite moments in Thor: Love and Thunder. From Natalie Portman's Mighty Thor, to Christian Bale's Gorr The God Butcher, to all the Easter eggs and Marvel Comics source material, we're breaking it all down. Plus, where should Thor and friends show up next?

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It's the finale of She-Hulk on "Whose Show Is This?" and Jen is breaking Disney+ as we recap the final episode. With our hero on the skids, it's up to her friends to figure out who is behind the Intelligencia. But thanks to some last minute twists, we find out a whole lot more about how the Marvel Cinematic Universe really works.

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Marvel goes full horror for its first ever Special Presentation, Werewolf By Night, bringing spooky terror -- and fun -- just in time for Halloween. In the hour, we meet Jack Russell, played by Gael García Bernal, Elsa Bloodstone, played by Laura Donnelly, and Man-Thing, played by Ted. We discuss all the gory delights on the special, talk Easter eggs, and where the characters might show up next.

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The hero everyone has been waiting for finally arrives on She-Hulk Episode 8, "Ribbit And Rip It": Leap-Frog. Oh, also, Daredevil shows up. When Jen is hired to take on Luke, she comes face to face in the courtroom with Matt Murdock; and then has a classic superhero mix-up with Charlie Cox's Daredevil. So how was ol' hornhead's return?

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She-Hulk heads to Emil Blonsky's retreat as we recap She-Hulk Episode 7 "The Retreat" on our Marvel podcast. After a good date ghosts her, Jen gets recruited to track down whether Blonsky has Abomination-ed out again. Instead, she finds a supervillain support group... And maybe gets help herself. From El Aguila, to Man Bull, to Saracen, to Porcupine, to the identity of Hulk King, we discuss it all.

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It's a self-contained wedding episode with no Daredevil as we recap She-Hulk Episode 6, "Just Jen". Jennifer Walters heads off to a friend's wedding -- guest star Patti Harrison -- but discovers she doesn't want She-Hulk, she wants a human. When Titania shows up, though, Jen is put through her paces. Meanwhile, Nikki teams up with Mallory Book to help Mr. Immortal get divorced from a bunch of folks.

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Jen takes on Titania in the courtroom as we recap She-Hulk Episode 5, "Mean, Green and Straight Poured Into These Jeans". With Titania opening a beauty line in She-Hulk's name, it's up to Mallory Book to help get the hero's name back. Meanwhile, Pug and Nikki to set her up with a new costume, leading to Easter eggs for Daredevil, Deadpool and even some X-Men and Fantastic Four characters.

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Marvel went big at this year's D23 with news on all of their upcoming movies and Disney+ shows. We're breaking down all the big news, casting, trailers, and footage you didn't see, including: Ironheart, Werewolf By Night, Secret Invasion, Armor Wars, Loki Season 2, Echo, Daredevil: Born Again, Black Panther: Wakanda Forever, Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania, Fantastic Four, Captain America: New World Order, Thunderbolts and The Marvels.

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Wongers is back and The Sopranos is getting spoiled as we recap She-Hulk Episode 4, "Is This Not Real Magic?", on our Marvel podcast. While Wong tries to shut down errant magician Donny Blaze, Jennifer Walters tries to go on a series of dates, only to discover nobody wants Jen - they want She-Hulk.

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It's time for the trial of Emil Blonsky (and a B-Plot) as we break down the third episode of She-Hulk, "The People vs. Emil Blonsky", on our Marvel podcast. After Wong takes Abomination for a trip to his fight club, it causes problems for Jennifer Walters' appeal to free Blonsky early. And meanwhile, the law firm takes on Dennis, who has been cheated out of money by a light elf pretending to be Megan Thee Stallion. All this plus Marvel Comics origins, Easter eggs and more.

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Jennifer Walters is a hulk now, but can she also be a lawyer? We'll find out on the second episode of She-Hulk, as we recap "Superhuman Law" on our podcast! When Jen is tasked with defending Emil Blonsky, aka The Abomination, she's presented with an ethical dilemma: has he changed, or is he the same guy who tore up Harlem years ago?

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She-Hulk smashes onto Disney+ with the premiere episode of Marvel's newest series, "A Normal Amount Of Rage". How is Tatiana Maslany as Jennifer Walters? How does She-Hulk connect to the MCU? And most importantly: how's the CGI? We discuss that, plus Marvel Comics origins, Easter eggs and more.

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On a special episode of MarvelVision, we're breaking down all the huge Marvel Hall H announcements from San Diego Comic-Con 2022, including: She-Hulk trailer; Black Panther: Wakanda Forever trailer; Ant-Man and the Wasp Quantumania cast reveals; Secret Invasion flubs; Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 cast reveals; Loki, Echo, Ironheart, Agatha Coven of Chaos, The Marvels and Blade; Captain America: New World Order title reveal; Daredevil: Born Again plot and title announcement; Thunderbolts lineup; Fantastic Four, Avengers: The Kang Dynasty, and Avengers: Secret Wars. Plus all the animated announcements!

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It's time for the season finale of Ms. Marvel, "No Normal", and we're breaking down all the big moments in Kamala's battle with Damage Control. With Kamran on the run with Bruno, it's up to Kamala and friends to save him from the government. But who will save Kamala from Kamran? Plus, all the huge Easter eggs and moments, from that Mutant tease, to The Marvels end credits scene and more.

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We're going back in time on Ms. Marvel Episode 5 "Time and Again" as Kamala discovers the origins of her family. After last episode's climactic battle, Kamala Khan is stranded during the Partition of India and Pakistan. But first, we meet Aisha, and find out how the Khan family first got started.

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Ms. Marvel heads to Karachi and discovers a whole lot more about her powers as we recap the fourth episode of the series on our podcast. While in Pakistan, Kamala meets the Red Dagger, tries some biryani in a bag, and ends up once again having to fight the Unseen. Plus, Easter eggs, Marvel Comics references, and more.

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Ms. Marvel's villains are finally revealed as we recap Episode 3 of the Disney+ series, "Destined". After meeting Nadja the last episode, Kamala finds out a ton more about The Clandestine, the Noor Dimension, Djinn and a whole lot of other dimensional weirdness. And in the midst of this, it's finally time for her brother's wedding...

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Ms. Marvel has a classic training sequence as we break down ”Crushed”, the second episode of Ms. Marvel on Disney+. Now that Kamala Khan has powers, she needs to figure out how to use them, with a little help from Bruno. Meanwhile, Damage Control is after her -- and a mystery is brewing about the origins of the bangle that lets her access her powers.

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It's the series premiere of Marvel Studios Ms. Marvel, and it's finally time to meet Kamala Khan on "Generation Why"! In the first episode of the new show, we head to Jersey City where young Kamala loves superheroes, and Captain Marvel in particular. And all she wants to do is go to AvengersCon with her friend Bruno, under a family heirloom takes things on a turn for the weird. From Marvel Cinematic Universe and comic book Easter eggs, we break it all down.

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It's time to go back to Marvel Phase Two as we break down our reactions to Guardians of the Galaxy. How does the James Gunn directed movie hold up, years and multiple appearances of the Guardians later? Pretty darn well. You're welcome.

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We're entering a multiverse of spoilers as we break down all the highlights (and lowlights) in Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness. From the performances to the Easter eggs and cameos, we discuss it all. Did this work as a sequel to Doctor Strange? How about WandaVision? And most importantly, what's next for the MCU after the big revelations of this movie?

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It's time for the finale of Moon Knight on "Gods and Monsters" and that means Marc/Steven fighting Harrow for the fate of the world. On our spoiler filled podcast, we discuss everything from the final battle, to Layla's new identity (and future in the MCU), to that Jake Lockley surprise and way more.

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Marc and Steven take a trip through the afterlife as we recap Moon Knight Episode 5, "Asylum". In order to get back to life and stop Harrow, Steven Grant pushes Marc Spector to remember his most traumatic memories. But are they dead, in an insane asylum, or somewhere else?

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With Khonshu gone, Marc and Steven have to team up to find the Tomb of Ammit on Moon Knight Episode 4, "The Tomb". It's a race against time as our heroes try to capture Ammit's statue before Harrow can destroy the world. And then, at the end things take a big swerve, putting all of reality in question.

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Moon Knight heads to Egypt and introduces a load of new gods as we recap the show's third episode, "The Friendly Type". With Harrow about to open the Tomb of Ammit, Khonshu calls on some desperate measures to stop him. Meanwhile, Steven/Marc and Layla head to find the Tomb through other means.

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Steven Grant discovers he's not totally alone in his body as we recap the second episode of Marvel's Moon Knight, "Summon The Suit". After trying to figure out whether he's imagining things, Steven finally meets Marc Spector -- as well as his wife, Layla. But thanks to Arthur Harrow, Steven learns that things might not be what they seem when they come to Khonshu. From Marvel Comics origins to Moon Knight Easter eggs, let's break it all down.

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Moon Knight is finally here on Disney+ and we're breaking down the big moments in the premiere episode, "The Goldfish Problem". Steven Grant is a regular gift shop worker, but the god Khonshu has some other ideas. From Ethan Hawke's villain Arthur Harrow, to the comic book origins, to Easter eggs and more, let's discuss.

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We're breaking down all the big moments and easter eggs from the Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness trailer. Who is the villain of the movie? What did Doctor Strange do to break reality? That Professor X cameo!! And much, much more.

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Hawkeye finishes the season (and series?) with an epic battle in Rockefeller Center on "So This Is Christmas?" After finding out Kingpin is behind everything, the big bad goes after Kate's mom, with Kate and Clint caught in the crossfire. Meanwhile, Yelena goes after Clint. And we finally find out who that watch belongs to.

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Spoilers on as we discuss all the universe shattering action in Spider-Man: No Way Home on our Marvel podcast! Tom Holland's Peter Parker is back, and everyone knows his identity. But when he asks Doctor Strange to help him with a spell, it starts to suck in villains from every universe. From the big villain moments, to those big hero moments, and much more, we're talking Easter eggs, comic book connections, and the scenes that made us cry.

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Kate meets Yelena for real and Clint takes the fight to Maya as we recap Hawkeye Episode 5, "Ronin". After splitting up the last episode, Kate talks to Yelena over some mac n' cheese. Meanwhile, Clint recuperates, before deciding to settle Maya's issues with Ronin, once and for all. And finally, the series' ultimate villain is revealed.

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Clint and Kate track down a stolen Rolex, and run right into not one, but two adversaries on Hawkeye "Partners, Am I Right?" With Clint still not headed home for Christmas, Kate decides to bring the party to him. But that gets interrupted by the return of the LARPers, and when they go after the Rolex the duo run into not just Maya Lopez -- but also Yelena Belova. We discuss all this, plus whether Laura Barton has a secret identity, when the big villain will be revealed, and more.

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Maya Lopez, aka Echo arrives on Hawkeye's third episode, appropriately titled "Echoes" and we're recapping the big moments on our Marvel podcast. After Kate and Clint are captured by the Tracksuit Mafia, a pitched battle ensues, and the two Hawkeyes finally start working like a team. Plus, could Maya's Uncle be.... Kingpin???

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Clint and Kate finally come face to face as we break down the big moments on Hawkeye Episode 2, "Hide And Seek". After finding -- and losing -- the Ronin suit, Clint has to head to a LARPing group in Central Park to get it back. Meanwhile, Kate tangles with Jack, and finds out a lot more than she bargained for. Plus, all the Easter eggs, Marvel Comics references, and lots of speculation about what's next.

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It's the premiere of Marvel's Hawkeye on Disney+, and we're discussing whether "Never Meet Your Heroes" hit the spot or missed the target. In the opening episode, we meet Hailee Steinfeld's Kate Bishop, find out why she's such a big fan of Clint Barton, as well as her mother, potential Step-Dad, and much more. Meanwhile, Clint Barton is just trying to have a nice Christmas vacation in New York when his past catches up to him. From Easter eggs to theories for the future, we're breaking down everything.

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On a special bonus episode of our Marvel podcast, we're breaking down the mind-blowing new trailer for Spider-Man: No Way Home. From those multiverse spanning cameos, all the villains, and all the Easter egg, we're chatting about it all.

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Marvel's Eternals is now in theaters, and we're digging on the big spoiler-filled moments from the cosmic epic. From breaking down all 10 major characters, to the overall plot, to what those two end credits scenes mean for the MCU's future, we're chatting about everything.

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Everything comes together on the season finale of What If...? as The Watcher bands together a team of heroes to stop a souped up Ultron. Can Captain Carter, T'Challa Star Lord, Party Thor, Strange Supreme and more get control of the rogue robot before he annihilates every reality? Plus, what's next for What If...? in Season 2?

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Things start to come together in a big way as our MCU podcast recaps What If...? Season 1, Episode 8 "What If... Ultron Won?" With only Black Widow and Hawkeye left on Earth to stop an over-powered Ultron, they turn to an unlikely ally to help them in their fight. But it's The Watcher who learns the real lesson, as things get bad for our friendly observer, real quickly.

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What if Thor brought the ultimate party to Earth? We find out on the latest episode of What If...? which introduces frost giant Loki, Korg dancing with a pacifier, and so much more. Plus: the Hit-Monkey trailer, Eternals rating and what's coming on Disney+ Day.

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How different a place would the Marvel Cinematic Universe be if Killmonger saved Tony Stark? We find out on the latest episode of What If...? as Black Panther gets a remix thanks to Stark Industries.

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The Marvel Cinematic Universe gets zombified in the latest episode of What If...? titled, appropriately "Zombies!?" When Bruce Banner returns to Earth to warn everyone of Thanos's imminent arrival, he instead finds a world -- and Avengers -- taken over by a zombie virus. Spider-Man, Winter Soldier and more have to team up to hopefully find a cure, and save the world... But naturally, things go very, very wrong.

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Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings is now in theaters, and we're breaking down all the big moments and Marvel Easter eggs! When Shang-Chi's villainous father Wenwu attacks his son after ten years, it leads to a global hunt to stop him before he can bring about the end of the world. From our favorite characters, to those Marvel Cinematic Universe cameos, to what the end credits and post credits scenes mean for the MCU going forward, we're breaking it all down.

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It's the darkest episode of What If...? yet as we find out what would happen if "Doctor Strange Lost His Heart Instead of His Hands?" In the episode, Benedict Cumberbatch's Strange follows his path as he normally does, with one big difference: Rachel McAdams' Christine Palmer dies in a car crash, instead of Strange having his hands broken. And a series of choices lead to the rise of a very dark, very evil Doctor Strange, who ends up having to face the ultimate enemy: himself. Plus, we discuss some MCU news and rumors about Doctor Strange int he Multiverse of Madness, Moon Knight, and whether Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is still in canon.

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This get real dark in What If...? Season 1, Episode 3 as Fury's Big Week becomes Fury's Bad Week. Kicking off with the events of Iron Man 2, someone -- or something -- kills Iron Man on "What If… The World Lost Its Mightiest Heroes?" With Black Widow on the run, it's up to Fury and Coulson to figure out who is stopping the Avengers Initiative before it can even get off the ground.

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Chadwick Boseman makes one, final appearance as T'Challa as we recap this week's episode of What If...? titled "What If... T'Challa Became a Star-Lord?" When T'Challa is taken from Wakanda as a young boy by the Ravagers, he causes several surprising, big changes in the galaxy, and of course, there's a fun heist. We talk about all the big moments, Easter eggs -- and the lasting legacy of Boseman.

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Marvel Studio's first animated series What If...? kicks off with the question: what if Peggy Carter got the super soldier serum, instead of Steve Rogers? We break down all the big moments in the episode, discussion the animation style and voice cast, and much more as we talk What If...? Season 1, Episode 1: "What If... Captain Carter Were The First Avenger?"

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We're breaking down what's arguably the best Marvel movie, Captain America: The Winter Soldier, with special guest DC Pierson. DC discusses playing Aaron the Apple employee in the movie, returning for an Xbox/Falcon and the Winter Soldier promo, and how Noobmaster69 might be the big bad of the MCU. Plus, how does the Captain America sequel hold up, seven years later? Pretty damn well.

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It's time to recap everyone's favorite Marvel movie as our Phase Two podcast breaks down Thor: The Dark World. But is the sequel unfairly -- or fairly -- maligned? We discuss the plots that might have been, from Jane Foster breaking bad to Malekith's backstory, and how Loki's popularity helped keep him alive by the end of the movie... And much, much more. Come and get buttered up for a tight hog, because we're talking about all of it.

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We're kicking off our revisit with the MCU Phase Two talking Iron Man 3 with special guest Adam Pally! Find out what went on behind the scenes with Pally's Gary the Cameraman, how he nabbed the role, and his pitch for a Gary spinoff film. Plus, we discuss that big Mandarin twist, and much, much more.

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It's the season finale of Loki, and Loki and Sylvie finally figure out who is behind the TVA as we recap episode 6, "For All Time. Always." Looking to have the Loki finale explained? Spoilers past this point, but we break it all down, from Loki and Sylvie's big conversation with Jonathan Majors' He Who Remains, aka Kang the Conqueror, how the show sets up Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania, as well as Doctor Strange 2, teases and speculation for Loki Season 2, and so very much more.

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Black Widow is finally in theaters, and we've got a complete, spoiler-filled breakdown and review of the movie. Natasha Romanoff is on her own after Captain America: Civil War, until she gets sucked back into the spy game, thanks to a resurgent Red Room. Along with Florence Pugh's Yelena Belova, David Harbour as Alexei Shostakov and Rachel Weisz as Melina Vostokoff, they're taking the fight directly to Ray Winstone's Dreykov -- as well as Taskmaster. But with over a decade of anticipation, how does the movie hold up? We discuss, plus all the Marvel Easter eggs, from Winter Guard, to ties with Avengers: Infinity War, to that post-credits sequence teasing Thunderbolts and Hawkeye, we discuss it all.

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Loki is trapped in The Void and it's up to Sylvie -- and a host of other Lokis -- to save him on this Easter egg packed episode, "Journey Into Mystery." After getting pruned by the TVA, Loki teams up with Kid Loki, Classic Loki, Boastful Loki and Alligator Loki to try and escape villainous cloud Alioth. Meanwhile, Sylvie teams up with Ravonna Renslayer, though the alliance is short lived. And a climactic battle helps set up the season finale... From the Thanos-copter, to Frog Thor, to all the references to Kang (and Dr. Doom??) we break it all down.

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Loki and Sylvie take the fight to the Time Variance Authority and some big revelations come to light as we recap Loki Episode 4, "The Nexus Event." After surviving the apocalypse event at Lamentis-1, Mobius takes them back to the TVA to try to get to the bottom of the new, strange Nexus Event that alerted them to the Lokis' location. And in the process, not only do we discover the truth about the TVA and the Time Keepers, but we also discover that all is not what it seems when it comes to the pruning process. Spoilers on, but let's discuss that big post credits sequence featuring Classic Loki, Kid Loki, Boastful Loki, and... Alligator Loki? Plus more Easter eggs for the Marvel Comics, and the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

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Loki is after the Variant and finds himself trapped on the crumbling planet of Lamentis-1 as we recap the appropriately named Loki Episode 3, "Lamentis." After tussling with Sylvie at the Time Variance Authority, Loki thrusts them to "safety" in an apocalypse, with no real way home. And one train ride later, everything has changed. From the comic book easter egg origins of Lamentis-1, to sneaky references to Aliens, to Loki officially being confirmed as bisexual in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, we're breaking down this big, action packed episode of the Disney+ series.

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Loki joins up with the Time Variance Authority to stop another, rogue Loki in Loki Episode 2, "The Variant," but all is not what it seems. After a botched mission to a Renaissance Fair, Loki and Mobius try to figure out how to track down the variant Loki killing TVA agents. But once MCU Loki does figure it out, things go horribly wrong. From Sophia Di Martino's secret villain character, to speculation about the Time Keepers, to Marvel Comics Easter eggs and more, we're breaking it all down.

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We're kicking off our recap for Marvel's Loki Disney+ series as we break down all the big, time busting moments in Episode 1, "Glorious Purpose". Picking up right after the events of Avengers: Endgame, Loki has escaped via the Tesseract, only to be captured by the Time Variance Authority, a group dedicated to protecting the Sacred Timeline. And as Loki confronts his own past, present and future he discovers that the power he's been seeking his whole life might not be as important as he thinks it is. From the Marvel comics origins of the TVA and the Time Keepers, to connections to WandaVision, Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness and much more, we're discussing all the Loki Easter eggs and theories.

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It's finally time to finish off Phase One on our Marvel podcast as we break down The Avengers! Join us, and guests Jon Gabrus (host of High and Mighty, Action Boyz and many more podcasts) and Eric Goldman (Managing Editor of Fandom and host of the We Enjoy Podcast) as we discuss one of the biggest movies of all time, nine years later. How does the superhero team-up hold up? What still works? What doesn't? And looking forward, what's next for the MCU, from Loki to the future of Avengers movies.

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We're going back in time as our Phase One rewatch continues with Captain America: The First Avenger. Guest Amelia Emberwing, Editor of What to Watch, joins the podcast, and goes to bat for why Peggy Carter is her favorite character in the MCU. Plus, we discuss Cap's future, from What If? to Captain America 4 and beyond.

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Don't be an old man and a fool, check out our latest MCU rewatch podcast on Thor, with guest Alisha Grauso, Features Editor for Screenrant. It's time to go from Earthbound to cosmic as the Marvel Cinematic Universe introduces Chris Hemsworth's Thor, Tom Hiddleston's Loki, and so much more in Kenneth Branagh's epic adaptation. From Easter eggs, to cameos, we break it all down. Plus, we take a look ahead to Disney+'s Loki series, and the upcoming theatrical movie Thor: Love & Thunder.

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It's sequel time as our MCU rewatch podcast takes on Iron Man 2 with guest Julia Alexander (Senior Streaming Editor, IGN)! Tony Stark returns, and brings a slew of new characters with him, including the debut of Scarlett Johansson as Black Widow, Sam Rockwell's Justin Hammer, and Mickey Rourke's bird. But how does the Marvel Cinematic Universe's first sequel hold up, over a decade later? Number one Iron Man 2 fan Alexander weighs in, and we don't necessarily disagree. Plus, we talk about what's coming next including -- finally -- a Black Widow movie, Secret Invasion and Armor Wars.

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You wouldn't like us when we're podcasting about 2008's The Incredible Hulk, starring Edward Norton, Liv Tyler, William Hurt and Tim Roth. As we continue our journey through Phase One of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, we revisit the requel of Ang Lee's Hulk, which came out two months after Iron Man. Find out how well the action scenes hold up, explore the almost casting, and relive the weird amount of work Norton did on the film. Plus, we roll in an archival interview from 2008 with Tim Roth, director Louis Letterier, producer Gale Anne Hurd, and a young up and comer named Kevin Feige.

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We're heading back to 2008 on this week's MCU podcast to revisit Iron Man, the movie that started it all. From trivia and Easter eggs you might not have known, to looking back on what does - and doesn't - work about the groundbreaking movie, we're covering it all. Plus, we take a look at what might be next for Robert Downey Jr. in the Marvel Cinematic Universe: Ironheart, Armor Wars, and... #BringBackTonyStarkToLife?

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The first (?) season of The Falcon and the Winter Soldier concludes with an epic fight in New York City as we recap "One World, One People." With the Karli and The Flag-Smashers attempting to kidnap the GRC, it's up to Sam to put on his new Captain America suit and save the day. Meanwhile, Bucky has some amending of his own to do, Sharon Carter pulls off her mask, literally and figuratively, and John Walker reaches a crossroads. Let's break down all the Easter eggs, future MCU teases (is US Agent a villain, or a hero?) and much more from the finale of Falcon and the Winter Soldier.

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Sam grapples with whether he should take Captain America's shield, and seeks out an old contact for advice as we recap The Falcon and the Winter Soldier episode 5, "Truth." With John Walker on the run for killing Nico, Bucky and Sam team up to take him down, leading to a massive status quo change for the wannabe Cap. Meanwhile, back in Louisiana, Sam's sister doesn't want to sell the family boat. And the Flag-Smashers make their move, thanks to a returning super-villain. We break down all the Falcon and the Winter Soldier Easter eggs and comic book references in the episode, from Julia Louis-Dreyfus's surprise cameo as Contessa Allegra Valentina de Fontaine, to whether she's playing Madam Hydra, to John Walker's new shield and much, much more.

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Things get real dark, real quick as John Walker comes for the Flag-Smashers on The Falcon and the Winter Soldier Episode 4, “The Whole World is Watching.” With the Dora Milaje on the hunt for Zemo, the pressure is on for Sam and Bucky to try to turn Karli Morganthau, or take her down. And once the new Captain America and Battlestar get into the mix, things get complicated — and tragic. Let’s break down all the Turkish delight — sorry, Easter eggs, Marvel comic book references and much more.

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Alex:                 Welcome to MarvelVision, a podcast about Marvel, the MCU, and right now, Falcon and the Winter Soldier. I’m Alex.

Justin:              I’m Justin.

Pete:                I’m Pete.

Alex:                 And we are going to be talking about the fourth episode of the series, The Whole World is Watching. And it is true, this is a big show, lots of people watching, the whole world in fact, has been tuning in for every episode of Falcon and the Winter Soldier. And that’s what the title is mostly about, is the ratings for the show, which we know of course are through the roof. So that’s very exciting.

Justin:              That’s right. Anytime you can just guess about your ratings and throw that in the title.

Pete:                It’s a boss move, it’s a boss move for sure.

Justin:              It’s a baller move. Like of shows are like, “Whoops, no one watched and we’re canceled. Episode four.”

Alex:                 That was my favorite show for a really long time. I wish they hadn’t titled it that because I feel like more people have watched and it wouldn’t have gotten cancelled.

Justin:              Anytime you can throw a “Whoops” in there at the beginning of anything, you’re really speaking to the people.

Alex:                 It was actually originally called, “Whoops Friends.”

Justin:              Whoops, we’re friends. I mean that’s sort of what it was about.

Alex:                 Kind of, they just met. They were on a break.

Justin:              Whoops, we’re podcasters. That’s us. That’s what this is.

Alex:                 Now requisite spoiler warning here. If you haven’t watched the fourth episode of Falcon and the Winter Soldier please go do that because we’re going to spoil the heck out of it. But first a little pluggy poo over here of this-

Justin:              Pluggy poo? We have not vetted that term.

Pete:                And what just happened?

Alex:                 I’m just playing around with some stuff.

Justin:              Sorry, Alex its just son who’s talking right now?

Alex:                 If you haven’t checked it out already, we did an interview with Olli Haaskivi, who is the actor who played Dr. Wilfred Nagel on the last episode of Falcon and the Winter Soldier. Now, if you’re only subscribed, we rolled this out a bunch of different places. We usually roll these episodes out in the Comic Book Club feed and then the Marvel Vision feed. The Olli Haaskivi episode is exclusive to the Marvel Vision feed. So if you’re listening on Podcasts, go check it out over there. It was super fun. And I think we got a lot of interesting information about how it works, particularly for one scene or slightly more than one scene actor on a Marvel show. I thought it was-

Pete:                It was really cool to talk to him. And after talking to him and then kind of re-watching his stuff, he’s a really good actor, like what he is and then what he became. Wow. Pretty awesome.

Alex:                 I mean, I’ll tell you when I was putting together the thumbnail for the episode and grabbed the still of Dr. Wilfred Nagel, I looked at it and there was a brief moment of like, “Is this not the guy? Would somebody do a weird prank to get us interview somebody as a fake Dr. Wilfred Nagel?”

Justin:              But honestly, I think a lot of the interview really lets us in on the acting process.

Alex:                 Yeah, you were very excited to talk acting with somebody.

Justin:              As a classically trained actor. I’ve talked to YouTube bozos.

Alex:                 You were like, “Ooh! Yeah, I know what you’re talking about!”

Justin:              I was not woo-hooing.

Alex:                 You were like a little boy jumping up and down talking to him.

Justin:              Sure, I was jumping up and down a little bit and going like this.

Alex:                 “I know what you’re talking about!”

Justin:              Definitely. And getting into this episode, we’re talking about today, our guy was in the Previously On just dominating.

Alex:                 He was. I was like, “That’s our best friend right there.”

Justin:              That’s exactly what I said.

Alex:                 Whoops! Friends.

Justin:              Whoops, we’re friends.

Alex:                 So, let’s talk about this episode. Lots of stuff going on in this one. Interestingly, not a lot of Easter eggs necessarily. You know, we’ve been talking about the Easter eggs, the Marvel comics references. There were a couple there, but it wasn’t the speculation, a million thing that we’ve expected from Wanda Vision, not even the level of the last couple of episodes of Falcon and the Winter Soldier, though, there are a couple of things. Pete, what did you want to call out? What’s the Easter Egg? [crosstalk 00:04:01] that they went to Wakanda? That was a good Easter egg.

Pete:                But don’t spoil all the things I want to talk about at once you fucking dick, but I was going to say Zemo was hiding candy like it was Easter. So come on. [crosstalk 00:04:13].

Alex:                 Well, that actually was the one thing that I felt like was a weird little Easter egg there. I don’t know about you guys, but I associate Turkish Delight most with the Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe. And I think if you’ve read the book or you’ve seen the movie, you know what it is, it’s this candy that he has there, but it’s one of those things that I think everybody that I’ve ever talked to have the same experience reading The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe, because you hear about the White Queen gives Turkish Delight to this character, Edmund and tempts him and brings him over to her side and you hear about it, but they don’t describe it. And it’s this mysterious thing from childs that have- it’s clearly the most delicious candy of all time, but you have no idea what it is.

Justin:              And honestly, in reading the book, I imagined it as sort of like a brownie because I love brownies. And I feel like it’s the kind of thing at that age where it’s like, what would tempt you to go with the bad guy? And I was like, “Well, brownies would, that’s for sure.”

Pete:                At one point I was like, “Are we just in a giant ad for Turkish Delight right now? Like, this show is basically hinging on how great Turkish Delight is.”

Alex:                 So I’ll tell you what, it’s not great.

Justin:              The actual candy Turkish Delight, it’s like a Jolly Rancher, basically.

Pete:                Hey, Jolly Ranchers aren’t bad.

Alex:                 No, it’s fine. [crosstalk 00:05:29]

Justin:              You’re not going evil for a Jolly Rancher.

Alex:                 If someone like Baron Zemo would take a bunch of Turkish Delights, throw it at me, I would be like, “All right. I’ll tell you literally whatever you want.”

Justin:              I’ll invite you to my friend’s secret funeral.

Alex:                 Depending on how hungry I am, I might.

Justin:              Hungry? For a Jolly Rancher? That’s not a meal. Jolly Rancher’s an anti-meal.

Alex:                 I’ll tell you what, we’re getting wildly off track here. But I have one cavity that I’ve gotten filled in, in my entire life. That was because there was a period of time I had a sack of Jolly Ranchers and I was like, “Well, I could just have these instead of-“

Pete:                A sack? Are you Santa Claus? Who walks around with a sack?

Alex:                 I got a huge variety pack of Jolly Ranchers. And I was home and instead of brushing my teeth, I was like, “I’ll just pop a Jolly Rancher.”

Pete:                How is that instead of brushing your teeth?

Alex:                 In my head it was like gum or mints, but instead I was having a Jolly Rancher and it just didn’t occur to me and I got a cavity.

Pete:                You went to Cornell. How are you this dumb?

Justin:              And you used to floss with Twizzlers, right?

Alex:                 Big gaps in my teeth.

Justin:              Wow. Only one cavity. I’ve had way more cavities. And I always blame it on, I grew up on well water, which doesn’t have fluoride, which strengthens your teeth. I just add old dirt in there now. But last I went to the dentist, I went to the dentist recently cause true fans of the show will know that I had a broken tooth that had dropped off on this very podcast. And like our second episode, went to the dentist, no cavities.

Alex:                 Wow. Good for you. Also, no teeth.

Justin:              Also no teeth. I’m out of teeth. That’s a big factor. It’s just one big cavity.

Pete:                That was a real scary moment for me. When I was talking to you and your tooth was missing, I had to talk to a bunch of people about it. Like, cause I really questioned my beliefs and stuff like that because it was like, I have trusted the words that come out of your mouth for years. And then when you had just a tooth missing, I all of a sudden didn’t trust who you were or what you were about. It was a real thing.

Justin:              The importance of a full set of teeth cannot be overstated.

Pete:                I didn’t know I would be so shook. Yeah. But then, reverse-

Alex:                 Sorry, not to get back to Falcon and the Winter Soldier or anything, but actually to revisit the Turkish Delight. I think Baron Zemo is kind of getting, pulling the most focus in this show right now. Who knows if he’s going to show up going beyond this because he escapes at the end of the episode, but it’s wild to me how much he more is getting out of these episodes and out of these arcs than even Sam and Bucky are.

Pete:                And the choices that he’s making and like the way he interacts with people. It’s not the Zemo that I know. It’s been very kind of cool to see this other side of Zemo, and when he crushed up the serum, I was like, “Oh, shit, look at this guy doing the right thing.”

Justin:              I think for me, the main reason why Zemo is sort of having the most interest and focus is because he has a plan and we don’t know what it is. And the rest of the characters don’t have a plan and seem sort of lost. And the dialogue they have, it’s very obvious what they’re just like, they’re doing a lot of exposition. So it feels like, ah, where’s the fun here? And then Zemo’s just wandering around, being weird with candy, breaking the serum.

Pete:                Don’t mind me, I’m just going to escape through the bathroom.

Alex:                 Well, this gets to a bigger thing. And I really didn’t want Pete to yell at me in this episode, but it struck me with this episode in particular that this is going to come out much stronger than I mean it. If this wasn’t a Marvel show, I don’t think this would be good at this point. It has a chance to turn it around in the last two episodes. But particularly this episode felt very messy to me. There were a lot of things that I liked in individual moments, but just to talk about the arc of the episode, you start off with this great flashback scene of Bucky in Wakanda, getting his [crosstalk 00:09:24] hold on, hold on. This is exactly getting to the point. You’re actually getting to the point of what I’m saying. I love it, we get to see him breaking his programming, but the episode isn’t about Bucky.

Alex:                 So just from a structural perspective, we get this thing that follows up on the scene from the last episode. But Sam pulls a little more focus, which is good, mind you, Zemo pulls a little more focus, which as we talked about is fun, but structurally it’s kind of all over the place. There’s nothing, like you were saying, Justin, everybody’s sort of wandering everywhere. So you get this endorphin rush of, Oh, shit, we got to see Wakanda of these big fights of John Walker going bad by the end of the episode. And these are all good things from a Marvel fan perspective, but they’re not really amounting too much in terms of the show yet.

Justin:              I mean, I agree. It’s sort of what we talked about in the previous episodes where it’s like, they’re putting so much on the table and it’s not about this. And they said it a ton in this episode.

Justin:              Where you don’t have black and white, good guys, bad guys here. It’s all this gray area, verbatim said in this episode. And the only issue with that is it makes it much harder to explain the motivations of everyone. Cause you have to literally go through and be like, well, he’s doing this because of this. She’s doing this because of this, because we don’t have the classic hero-villain back and forth. This episode, I think was the hard one because it was the one where we’re starting to see our sides and it was confusing here. And you see in the characters like Bucky and Falcon, I spent a lot of the episode being like, “Okay, so, oh, okay, good, good. I’ll watch. Oh no. He’s okay. Good. Okay. Now.” And by the end of it, it’s like I see.

Pete:                To talk a little bit about that gray area and the black and white, there was this amazing shot from above of Ayo and a Falcon kind of meeting. And it was like this right in the middle of the road, like white stone pebbles versus black stone pebbles.

Alex:                 I think you mean Bucky.

Pete:                Bucky, sorry.

Alex:                 Bucky’s the one with the metal arm. Falcon is the one with the wings. It’s confusing.

Pete:                Not that confusing. Anyways, sorry I mixed it up. But I’m just saying that like that to me, like this whole like line in the ground, like all these different perspectives and in a superhero movie, or whatever, like Marvel kind of thing, you don’t get to stop and talk about consequences and what it means to be a hero and like these icons and how they can mean more and mean different things to different people. So the fact that like they do have those discussions and Falcon is flexing a little bit of his background of like talking to people who’ve been through shit was awesome.

Pete:                It was this thing of like, we’re not going to just punch people in the face. We’re going to try to talk. We’re going to try to do the right thing here. The fact that Zemo isn’t justice. We want to kill him. We need him. We’re doing stuff with him. Like we’re trying to do it for a greater good, like it’s interesting. And I don’t, don’t throw this structural shit around solves, like this is some interesting shit where unlike an action movie, with the move things forward. We can sit and have little moments like this and they’re powerful and great.

Speaker 4:        I agree that scene was that for me, it was one of my favorite scenes in the episode. I just want more of that focus back on Bucky and Sam, because like, we are going to get it, but that made this episode harder to enjoy because it was them sort of at the mercy of the plot when really like the idea of like Bucky being deprogrammed by Ayo. And that scene we got was awesome. I want to see a little more like repercussions of better, what that means to him and Sam. We touched it a little bit where he was sort of like trying to philosophize with Carly before he was interrupted by a Walker. That was cool. And then he had the sister thing felt a little bit out of nowhere, but like they were getting to something there that I think we’re going to pay off later, but it just felt like, and this is a term that I know Pete uses a lot. It felt like more of a middling episode.

Pete:                Oh my God. First off, don’t put words to my mouth. I’ve never said that in my life. But I think that I can understand what you’re saying, but I completely disagreed because we had a lot of like reveals of who people are moving forward and how things are going to work. And some very interesting, powerful conversations that you don’t get a lot. So I ate the ship up and the Dora Milaje is showing up and just wracking shit. And the fact that fake Captain America was like, they weren’t even Schumer showed yours was really awesome. You know, like handled his shield that he used temporarily holding on to, in a way that he didn’t even know how to do. I mean, dismantled, where two soldiers armed that he didn’t even know was a thing. It was so powerful in many different ways. I had a great time.

Justin:              I agree. That was badass. And honestly, the Walker stuff in this episode was really good. And I feel like this was sort of his episode putting him in a spot where he needs to be sort of the villain for the rest of the series.

Alex:                 Well, let me throw something out at you guys that in all honesty confused me, and maybe there is a straightforward explanation here, but I think to the point Justin was saying earlier, there’s a lot of back and forth. And this is what I’m getting at, not to harp on it too much with the structural thing, because I agree with you. There are fun sequences in here. There are things that I am enjoying. I am a Marvel fan. I am a sucker for this my entire life. So I’m never going to stop watching this forever. That’s fine. No, it’s true though. I feel like I needed to bed myself from feed who is like, how dare you? How dare you in kind of a joy, but not particularly loved this thing. Thor: the Dark World is not a good movie. I’ve still watched it several times.

Justin:              That’s the ultimate credit you can drop. Hey bro, I’ve seen Thor: the Dark World more than once. So I get darkness.

Alex:                 No, that’s not what I’m saying. My point being like, I am a sucker for this stuff. It is fine. I’m not going to give up even if I don’t think it necessarily makes sense. And I honestly want to know if there’s an explanation here, because I was very confused by what was going on towards the end of the episode, where Karli came out and said, “Okay, our plan is we’re going to kill Captain America.” Right? And the Flag Smashers like, eh, that seems like maybe a little bit of a chess step too far. But it seems like by the point they got to that big fight where everybody going nuts towards the end that they were on board with it, at least in a certain sense, then add in that Falcon and Bucky come to talk to Karli in full costume.

Alex:                 Sharon is clearly tracking John Walker for them. So they must realize on some level that the flags bachelors are going for John Walker, not for them. I think though that it was never clearly established. So they’ll go after John Walker, we ended up in this fight. Karli comes out kills Battlestar, which is a whole separate thing that we definitely need to talk about here because that’s messed up. And that everybody who is onboard with the plan to kill Captain America is like, “Whoa, you killed Battlestar.” That’s a step too far and runs away. What’s going on there.

Pete:                All right. There’s a lot to unpack there.

Alex:                 There is, this is true.

Pete:                But I think Karli…

Alex:                 Explain it to me Pete.

Pete:                Okay. So Karli didn’t know that the sidekick wasn’t powered up, she thought she was in like a super power kind of like fight. And they’re all like, okay, we’re going to follow Karli, but this is kind things you’re getting crazy right now. And I think once they see a normal person die that’s like them and who they’re fighting for, they all kind of stop and question their shit. And like, Yeah, I can see what you’re trying to say. But when you see that it does kind of be like “Whoa, whose side are we on?” because they had a lot of discussions leading up to this. And people were kind of backing away from Karli as the kind of shows this episode was going on because she was talking about like, “Oh she did kill that person.” “Oh she has gone too far.” Or maybe these ideas, so like, I think that’s why that moment kind of stopped people. And I couldn’t understand that wasn’t the original objective but when they saw that, that’s why there was pause.

Justin:              Well, I think two things were happening there to echo what Pete’s saying. There’s the conversation that Sam has with Karli about supremacy. She sort of steps into saying some pretty supremacist things. And then she’s like catches herself, “Actually I’m not.” And then in that moment, when she may be at like violently strikes Battlestar and ends up maybe accidentally killing him, that’s her supremacy. She was not aware of what she’s wielding and she kills a person. And I think that’s when everyone was like, ah. Like a lot of political violence, terrorism, when you’re doing it from a distance like they did in last episode and killed those people remotely, it’s one thing. It feels like you’re supporting your cause when you’re in the room and your compatriot, your leader kills someone, it’s like, I don’t want this. I didn’t sign up for this.

Justin:              I actually liked that moment because I thought it used a gray area of the Flag Smashers as like, “we feel we are now.” But then Captain America at the end, Walker kills one of their own. And you see the escalation happening here and you see they’re going to be hardened. When they were sort of soft and sort of regretting their violence for a second there, instantly they’re hardened by what, violence begets violence and Walker escalates that. I appreciate that moment. The other Walker stuff and like all the tracking, what you’re doing, I agree is a little confusing. I think Bucky and Sam are tracking Walker because they knew he was going to be a problem to them. Not because they thought he was a bad guy. It was just more like he’s the cop who’s watching us.

Pete:                Yeah. [crosstalk 00:19:20] so they kind of want it… We’re talking about something that I want to back up the track a little bit. Falcon calls Sharon and Sharon’s like, “Yeah, I got a couple satellites under”. I don’t know who they think Sharon is, but I can not wait for the reveal of who Sharon is because she is running shit and like knows a lot, a little bit too much for maybe what’s going on. So I’m excited to see like a real Sharon reveal.

Justin:              Get that SAT flex.

Pete:                Yeah. I also think this episode was the king of small moments and I want to go back to the beginning like seeing the winter soldier cry when he’s like being said those words are loud was like really powerful and very, very cool.

Alex:                 And I was mostly surprised that when he cried, his tear didn’t turn to ice because of his ice powers. He’s the winter soldier, right?

Pete:                That’s not a funny joke.

Speaker 4:        Yeah. When Disney bought Marvel, I think he became Elsa from Frozen’s brother?

Pete:                But also like he…

Alex:                 He want’s us to let it go.

Pete:                We also saw that like he speaks Wakanda. I was so excited to get the Dora Milaje and see Wakanda and hear the music. It was really, really fantastic to kind of have those really just kind of small, amazing moments, very happy about it.

Alex:                 It was very nice. I did want to jump back to two things that you were talking about earlier. One, I wanted to talk about Sharon Carter. I know I threw out a speculation or just a thought about is she the power broker in the last episode. This episode, they keep doubling down on the Power Broker is upset without bringing the Power Broker on screen. So obviously that’s going to send theory mind into overtime. It’s entirely possible. It could just be a guy named the Power Broker and the should be going, but it feels like that has to be somebody right?

Justin:              It has to be at this point especially this episode, the buildup of like, got an email from the Power Broker. It’s like too much hype to. And the email from that pic Karli got from the power brokers like, “Hey, I was serious about my last email”. So like, “Please give me back the serum.” They’re clearly keeping that going because they’re going to reveal. Do we have any guests?

Alex:                 Well I just want to mention that he definitely has read receipts on his emails? Right? That’s a Power Broker.

Justin:              I know you read this, just please respond. Even if it’s just a no, just a quick no is all I want, just to know that you got it. Please confirm.

Alex:                 So I want to throw a theory out to you that I don’t know that necessarily makes sense. I don’t know where this rumor started from, but everybody seems very convinced that William Hurt’s Thunderbolt Ross is in this show somehow. I don’t know if somebody saw him on set or something like that. Here’s my thought, this is putting together a bunch of random things. But what if the PowerBroker is Thunderbolt Ross, right? Sharon is working for him. She was not ex-communicated at all. She in fact is double agenting it up for the US government at this point working for Thunderbolt as the Power Broker. And we end with some sort of reveal here where they capture Zemo make him work for them and they have a whole flip of the Thunderbolts thing where they’re good guys pretending to be bad guys.

Justin:              I mean that would be cool. That feels a little wild to go that way. It feels like-

Pete:                Two episodes left.

Justin:              We need one more set up moment and another show or a movie to get to Thunderbolts I feel like? What about this? This feels the most obvious, it’s a Power Brokers Al Pacino as Mephisto.

Alex:                 That seems possible to me.

Justin:              No.

Alex:                 I know there was a rumor that Kevin Feigi had a meeting with Al Pacino and he played the devil on One Division I think. [crosstalk 00:23:27] I didn’t watch all episodes of One Division. So I just kind of read the rumors and theories.

Justin:              It makes sense to tie him into every Marvel series in a lot of ways. And I hear that AL Pacino’s playing Loki in the Loki show. What if it’s Nick Fury?

Pete:                Could be Nick Fury.

Justin:              Because I do think that he feels more like a reveal that fits in this side of the Marvel universe. William Hurt feels a little distant.

Alex:                 Right, I also don’t know, other than hardcore Marvel fans would be “Oh man, it’s William Hurt I love that guy.” But to be fair and I think this is part of the reason the rumors started. He has been very heavily tied to the Super Soldier Serum throughout the history of the MCU from Incredible Hulk to, that’s it.

Justin:              I was going to say where is he going with this? From Incredible Hulk under William Hurt.

Alex:                 I also think it’s entirely possible it is Sharon Carter. She’s just like created this false identity to run shit in Madripore. The other thing that I wanted to talk to you guys about though that I do think is important to address is the death of Battlestar and specifically using the death of a black man to power the ark of a white man is pretty messed up.

Justin:              I agree. I was very surprised when Battlestar, right before the scene when he died, they were doing some things. I was like, this feels like they’re setting him up to die. They wouldn’t do that. And then when they did, I was very surprised.

Pete:                Also like it really drove me nuts that like when they went into the building, the fake Captain America like stopped at the stairs and just started looking up for some reason. Went about as he was going to sweep the place, you went in to sweep a place, you don’t stop and look up at the ceiling and just kind of pause. You’re supposed to be a team, you’re supposed to work together. You can’t just leave your wing man. I was just so upset that the fact that like he was so dumb.

Justin:              For showbiz, it that feels like they want to talk about race in a real way. For this to happen, I got to think it has to be something they will reckon with going forward because otherwise, I don’t get it. So I don’t want to trust that things they’ve referenced go in the first three episodes leading us up to this, give me confidence they will reckon with this going forward.

Alex:                 I hope so. I definitely. I’m putting an asterisk on it to your point until the next episode to see how they follow up. But just on the surface, it definitely made me recoil quite a bit and not just because it was a dark moment for the show, but because of a greater world things. So we’ll revisit this discussion next episode and see what happens. A couple of other things I wanted to throw out on the same note with the end of the episode, in the comics, John Walker’s breaking point was his parents getting killed. He goes apeshit after that. He does the same thing here in this episode leading up to… I do think the best image in the entire episode was that last one of John Walker with the blood at the bottom of the shield, that was really, really well-framed and really well done.

Pete:                It was so creepy in all the right ways, the way kind of hung on it. And then also he was just kind of tweaking out there. I was just like, it’s very powerful and very upsetting.

Justin:              Yeah. To use Pete’s line of like this was an episode about the King of small moments, I think you said? Like the sequence that was great. The moment where like you see him bend the gun, I think and seems like, “Oh, shit”. He’s juiced up and then from that moment onto the last sequence, when you see him raise the shield and that moment. You actually get to see and make the choice to kill him, to kill the Black Smasher. That to me, I was like, Oh, very smartly done, very tense. And then to end it with that blood on the shield thing where it’s like, yes, that is and it really reflects on another great moment. The line, there’s never been another Steve Rogers. And that I thought was very cool and the conversation sort of midway through the episode with battle between Battlestar and Walker where they were like, “Hey, would you take the serum?” I thought that was really cool and it’s like, it doesn’t turn you, it doesn’t make you bad, it just heightens your qualities.

Justin:              And then you hear their conversation, you’re like, “Oh, you don’t know that you have these bad qualities that it’s going to heighten when you inevitably take.”

Pete:                Yeah and that’s a good question. Would you guys take the serum?

Alex:                 Well, actually I have a question before that question, because one of my huge bummers of the episode even beyond everything we’ve talked about is we didn’t get to see him take the serum. And I want to know how you take the serum?

Justin:              I think it’s rectal insertion.

Alex:                 I was thinking either you drink it or maybe you eat the whole bottle and crunch it. I’m not 100% sure.

Justin:              Yes like a gusher, you put the whole thing.

Pete:                It seems like you would inject it.

Alex:                 But it didn’t have like an injecting thing. Was it just a bottle of Serum and then I guess you have to use a separate hypodermic with the doctor.

Justin:              It comes with Turkey Baster and you just blast it into your…

Pete:                In you’re what? I’m sorry.

Alex:                 [crosstalk 00:28:53] just like Fruit Gushers.

Justin:              Exactly.

Pete:                Just like Fruit Gushers.

Justin:              You guys get the anal Gushers, right?

Pete:                But regardless of how you take it, how would you guys take it?

Alex:                 Absolutely. No hesitation. I don’t know. That’s the long answer, if you had a chance to take a super soldier syrum that would make you super strong and extend your life, why would you not take it?

Pete:                Oh my God. You would be so evil and so fucked up immediately.

Alex:                 It would just make me more me whatever I was.

Pete:                I would just run away taking the seekers.

Justin:              Super podcast. It wouldn’t be a super soldier serum would be super podcast or serum.

Alex:                 Wow, that guy would be talking for 24 hours. I can podcast this all day.

Pete:                Oh boy.

Justin:              Pete, would you take it?

Pete:                I don’t know. And that’s the thing even Zemo paused. Like that’s how crazy question it is. And I appreciate the fact that I don’t think I could have made that decision like that, you know what I mean. Like I don’t know if I would have jumped on one of the vials and just immediately drank it. I like how they’re playing with the power of it a little bit.

Alex:                 Justin, you didn’t answer the question.

Justin:              I just took it. You guys talking about it. I was like, wow, I’ve been holding onto this for awhile.

Pete:                And I guess the second biggest question is, do you call your parents or anything kind of cute and adorable? Like TT, do you have a GAM GAM or anything like that in your family?

Justin:              Never did growing up but now my mom insists that her grandchildren call her Meema. And I always say MIMA, and she’s like, “it’s not MIMA MEEMA.” And I’m like, “okay, it’s a child’s word. Tell me how to say it. Like, it’s your name.”

Alex:                 One last little Easter egg thing that I wanted to mention that is definitely not an Easter egg, but it perked up my ears nonetheless is when they were talking about the Global Repatriation Council and they were passing this at GRC. They called it the patch act at given that we have Madripoor and Wolverine’s code name and Madripoor patch. I was like, Oh, it’s definitely named after him and that I pause for a second. I was like, no, it is too early in the morning.

Justin:              Oh yeah, Kevin Feige sitting in the master headquarters of the Marvel cinematic universe. He’s like, “how should we introduce Wolverine?” Like, let’s do it as the name of it and act in a small seated Falcon in the Winter Soldier.

Alex:                 Any other final thoughts before we start to wrap this up here, Pete?

Pete:                Yeah. I can’t say enough about how crazy kind of things escalated in this episode and how interesting the addition to the Dora Milaje was such a fun escalation and all the right ways. I thought that it was just so great and I can’t get enough of it and I am hopefully for more, but I don’t know if we’ll get more,

Justin:              I guess just two things I did like the joke about Zemo, do the stupid head tilt thing. That was a fun.

Pete:                Another King of the small moments right there.

Justin:              King of the small moments and I do think was that like a straight up Brule dig about his acting choice because it wasn’t about the character. That was about literally how he does it. That was very funny. But second, I like the jokes in this show, they’re funny, but it feels totally odd and it really made me think this series is sort of not the same tone as the Marvel movies at all. As much as everyone’s like, it’s like a Marvel movie, but in TV form. Like it’s actually not, it’s quite different. It’s like an espionage TV series and just featuring Marvel characters.

Alex:                 This gets to a bigger thing that is very rumory and I don’t know how true it is, but there was a lot of talk from folks that apparently they reshot a bunch of this show and reworked and rejiggered it. And there are points in this episode in particular I think and maybe the last episode where you can kind of see they overdubbed certain things. I don’t know exactly what the changes are, but certainly things like, “Hey, where’s that Joaquin guy who was certainly very important in the first episode. I think he’s somebody that was objected in there. He was apparently cast very late in the process. He was objected in there to give a little more exposition. It’s possible that the differing tones of what’s going on that you’re bringing up Justin might be part of that as well, it wasn’t quite as consistent as they thought it might be. Again, I don’t know what the changes are, but certainly I think that might point to a couple of those things.

Justin:              But I don’t mean that the tone within this, I haven’t felt off put by the internal tone of the show. I was just struck in this episode by how different this episode feels in comparison to almost everything else from the Marvel Cinematic universe. Even WandaVision felt more like the movies than this does.

Pete:                But they did have like some action movie fun where like Bucky punches somebody through a wall. And then it goes like, stay put, like there was still some tonal, like fun moments, but I agree with what you’re saying. It definitely is different. And one more kind of small moment that I wanted to point out when Zemo was talking about this kind of place that they’re in, where they have like the kids before he gives the kids the candy and somebody crosses behind them and the Winter Soldier feels it and turns to it. And just like a small character moment where Kyle Falcon doesn’t like pick up on it, but Bucky does. And I was just like, Oh wow. That is such a cool little thing.

Justin:              Yes. And training for like 88 years or something.

Alex:                 Before we wrap up here, what is on your vision board for the next episode, Pete? What’s on your vision board?

Pete:                Well, I’m hoping to get to like the bottom of the real issues. You know what I mean? Like what other family members on the Avengers use different kind of nicknames for their families. Did anybody do like a gappers and poppers type of situation or snatches, hoppers? But I really think that like Turkish Delight is got to be a bigger thing. You can’t just do an ad for Turkish Delight and not really have a pay off. So the next couple of episodes, I can’t wait to see that kind of pay off more.

Alex:                 Great, great vision board. Justin, what about you?

Justin:              Yeah. So true. Based on that last image of the blood on the shield, like in the next episode, I want to see that shield in Sam’s hand or Bucky’s hand or hopefully ideally both. Cause I think it’s…

Alex:                 They’re holding hands together.

Justin:              Trying to be like, “Oh, block over here! You throw it. “

Alex:                 They’re doing that thing where they’re both in one shirt.

Justin:              Yeah, exactly. Stuck on you style.

Pete:                I hope that also in the next episode fake cap is out of the picture dead or..

Alex:                 Definitely not going to happen.

Justin:              I like him as the final vial villain, but I want that we’ve set up the anticipation has been building about like, who should have the shield, it’s feels like Sam’s shield, but I’m curious to see how that will play out. And maybe next episode, it’s like Bucky’s turn to have the shield for a moment, what he does with it because I think that is the statement, that’s the metaphor of this series and to stick it to see it in each of their hands. If we’re going to end up with it in Sam’s hand at the end of the series, I want to see it in Bucky’s hand and what it means for him to have the legacy, because the scene in Wakanda in this episode was about him moving past his dark past. And so when he holds the shield, what does he become? What does he become going forward? And then in the end of the series, what does Sam become if he has the shield and he’s not going to put it back on the shelf, I don’t think. Who is he as Falcon as Captain America with wings.

Alex:                 Kind of petered out there a little bit.

Pete:                That’s a horrible way to say that.

Alex:                 On my vision part, we already covered this, but I just want to see some sort of reckoning and explanation of what happened with Battlestar. I do think that’s very important for contextualizing that moment. I hope they do it. We will cross our fingers and see.

Pete:                It was just real nice to see someone step on the shield and do that move again. I’d missed that move. So it was really great to get that move back and in Wakanda Forever.

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Justin:              Oh, do the stupid head tilt thing.

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Full Episode Transcript

Alex:                             It’s MarvelVision, a podcast about Marvel, the MCU, and right now Falcon and the Winter Soldier. I’m Alex.

Justin:                          I’m Justin.

Pete:                            And I’m Pete.

Alex:                             And we are coming to you with a special bonus episode with a special [crosstalk 00:00:20] guest. We have Dr. Wilford Nagle, himself, Olli Haaskivi. Holy. Thank you so much for joining us today.

Olli Haaskivi:                 Thank you for having me. How are you?

Alex:                             Oh, so good. This is a big deal, being on a Marvel show. I’m not sure if you’re aware.

Pete:                            Yeah, do you know what’s going on? It’s great.

Olli Haaskivi:                 The answer is I don’t really know what’s going on. I’m only becoming aware of what a big deal it is.

Alex:                             Well, so talk about this a little bit because the Marvel actors always like to go on talk shows and say, “Oh, we can’t talk about what’s going on. There’s so much secrecy about it.” You’re coming in as this guest character for this episode. What is the secrecy level like for that? Is it more, is it less, is it about the same?

Olli Haaskivi:                 It’s probably a little bit more, I mean, I don’t imagine that… It’s interesting because I mean, even thinking back to the audition, when I got the audition, it was not for the Falcon and the Winter soldier. It was for something called Untitled Marvel Number Four.

Justin:                          Wow.

Olli Haaskivi:                 I don’t know if that was the exact number, so [crosstalk 00:01:24] maybe someone will write in and say that I’m wrong about that. But, so from the drop, I mean, it was incredibly secretive. The audition scene was a version of what you see in the show, but with all the specific details taken out, names were changed, and then I got the job and still didn’t know what the job was and I assumed as soon as I got the job, I Googled to see what Marvel things were happening, which things were in production.

Olli Haaskivi:                 And I assumed that it was WandaVision because Matt Shakman, who directed WandaVision, he runs the Geffen Playhouse in Los Angeles and over the years I do a lot of theater. And over the years I’ve almost done a couple of plays there and so my brain immediately assumed, “Oh, I auditioned for his show. My tape crossed his desk.” And he went, “Oh, I know who that guy is. Yeah, fine.” And it wasn’t until I got my official script pages, a couple of days later, that I responded to whoever sent the pages. And I just said, can you tell me what show this is? [crosstalk 00:02:35] Can you tell me anything about any of this? And they sent a very nice email back that said, you know, it’s [crosstalk 00:02:43] the Falcon and the Winter Soldier. Right? Exactly.

Justin:                          No, I can tell you.

Olli Haaskivi:                 Thank you. Thank you for your interest. But no, [crosstalk 00:02:49] but no. They sent back a very nice email that said, “This is the title. This is the code name. It’s being directed by Kari Skogland.” That’s when I got the rundown, but it was not immediate. And so the whole thing from the very beginning was shrouded in a lot of mysteries.

Pete:                            It’s so crazy because it’s like, you hear these actors talk and it’s almost like they get bagged and tagged and they wake up on set and then they’re like, read this and it’s all redacted. Like, is it hard to act when they’re… You don’t really have any kind of like ground to be like, “Oh, okay. I understand what’s happening or where I am.”

Olli Haaskivi:                 I mean, I think that luckily in this particular scenario that scene, the Dr. Wilford Nagel sequence [crosstalk 00:03:42] the actual text of that did tell me everything I needed to know.

Alex:                             Okay. Yeah. I mean, he does a good job of saying, “Hey, here’s who I am. And here’s what I’ve been up to lately.” [crosstalk 00:03:52] It’s a good second.

Olli Haaskivi:                 Totally. And I also think that so much of being an actor is just deciding that whatever is happening is what should be happening. And so if I get a full script with a ton and every once in a while on a certain kind of project, they’ll send a research packet or they’ll send references and you sort of go, “Oh, great, I’ll dig into all of that.” And then sometimes you get no information and you go, “Okay, this is what I got.” And I’ll do the best I can. And there is something a little freeing about that actually, not having to sort of hold the entire scope of it in [crosstalk 00:04:34] your work. But, and I also trust it, I mean, the people that work on this show are so extraordinary on so many levels that I did feel like I could trust that if I needed to know something or if I had… If there were holes in my work in some way, and someone needed to say, “This is actually about this and this and this.” I trusted that between all of those wonderful people, someone would tell me what was going on.

Justin:                          I think we need to get a super cut of all of the fake audition scenes that all of the actors and all the shows. [crosstalk 00:05:06] So whatever, like, “You’re auditioning for a romantic comedy set in space.” And it’s suddenly, it’s like, [crosstalk 00:05:12] “No, I’m in Guardians of the Galaxy.” [crosstalk 00:05:13] Like I want to see [crosstalk 00:05:15] that show.

Olli Haaskivi:                 And do you know, what’s also really funny is that when I auditioned for it, the role didn’t have a name obviously, and it just said doctor. And so my audition tape is me looking pretty spiffy. Like I’m wearing a button down shirt and glasses, and I’m pretty well put together because I saw, he’s a doctor and I [crosstalk 00:05:37] played plenty of doctors on television. I know [crosstalk 00:05:40] how it goes. And I think it speaks to how wonderful those people are actually that they saw something in that tape and went, “That’s the person we want.” And we can envision what that would be looking a little different, feeling a little different, not everyone has that much imagination. [crosstalk 00:05:58]

Justin:                          Yeah, they look to you and say, “Take his hair and go like this.”

Alex:                             Yeah. You know, you touched on this a little bit earlier, but I feel like it’s relatively rare to have a guest actor who comes in essentially for one scene and then you get a meaty monologue like that. What was that experience like coming on set, and then be like, “All right, I’m going to just lay all this information out to everybody.”?

Olli Haaskivi:                 Sure. You know, I mean, I’ve done a pretty good amount of that in other jobs. I feel like I’m often saddled with a good amount of [crosstalk 00:06:36] exposition and jargon and all of these things. I was definitely a little intimidated by it. I didn’t have the real script pages for that long before we shot. I probably had them for five or six days, but not that long. [crosstalk 00:06:51] And we shot for… We actually shot that sequence for three or four days all told, [crosstalk 00:06:58] which felt like a real luxury, because a lot of other, a lot of other TV shows and films would sort of go, “It’s one location. We’ll just slam through it in a day.” [crosstalk 00:07:08] Yeah. It’s truly, and I will say, I mean, this is bragging slightly, but we did finish a day early because we all right [inaudible 00:07:19]

Justin:                          [inaudible 00:07:19] early

Olli Haaskivi:                 It felt really nice to go, Oh, this was budgeted on this schedule for X amount of days and look at us now. [crosstalk 00:07:26] But there was a lot of me… One thing that is helpful for my memorization for whatever reason is to physicalize it as I’m memorizing it. I think because then your body is doing two things at once. For some reason, that sinks in deeper for me. So there was a lot of me walking around my hotel, holding my script pages and just like quietly mumbling to myself, [crosstalk 00:07:53] these speeches, because I mean, the biggest thing, like you said, about being a guest star is that you really don’t want to feel like you’re dropping the ball. We’re well aware that you’re coming into something. It’s sort of like trying to like jump on a moving train as fast as you can and not attract any attention [crosstalk 00:08:12] and not be the reason that there is a train, an unexpected stop or something. [crosstalk 00:08:14] And so I did sort-

Alex:                             Your character then threw a grenade over his shoulder and jumped off the train. [crosstalk 00:08:24].

Olli Haaskivi:                 Yeah. He’s yeah, and the last thing you want to be thinking about while you’re acting is what are the lines? And so I definitely remember getting the actual script and going, “Oh, wow, okay. I have my work cut out for me here.” But also how wonderful, I mean, that’s such a great opportunity

Justin:                          Given that Dr. Wilford Nagel is a character from the comics. He is from Truth: Red, White and Black. Once you finally did find out who the character was, did you go back and look at that at all or since he’s relatively so different, did it not really matter?

Olli Haaskivi:                 I definitely did look. But like you said, as soon as I saw what he looks like, frankly, and that he looks not a thing like me in any conceivable way, I sort of felt like that gave me the freedom to go, “Okay. We’re clearly doing something different with this character here.” And I don’t know a ton about the MCU and I definitely didn’t know before I had the job, but I did know enough to know that the films and television shows are not literal translations of the exact comic books. I mean, had I looked at the comic book and seen someone who’s tall and slim and 33 years old with glasses, Maybe I would have, maybe I would have gone. Okay, now I need to pay attention to [crosstalk 00:09:50] how does he stand and all of those kinds of things, but I pretty immediately went, Oh, okay. So we’re doing something different here. And I think that really freed me up to feel like I could use the script that I had and you like use all the clues there to come up with something that was interesting to me.

Pete:                            Now, the character is picking up from Stanley Tucci’s Abraham Erskine back from Captain America: The First Avenger, since you’re saying you can do a better formula than him in the show, do you think you could do a better Negroni than Stanley Tucci?

Alex:                             Wow.

Speaker 5:                    No. No one can.

Alex:                             Asking the hard questions.

Speaker 5:                    That is a, that is a hard question, but the answer is simple that I really do feel like no one can do anything better than Stanley Tucci can. I really did feel incredibly honored and sort of blown away when, again, I didn’t know a ton of heading into this. And so it wasn’t until I had been on set for a couple of days that Eli, this PA, was walking me to the set to shoot. And he said, “You know, it’s a really big deal that you’re the guy who’s playing this part.” [inaudible 00:10:58] Okay. It was really nice. I appreciate it.

Speaker 5:                    And he was like, well, you’re the next, mad scientist or whatever you would want to say after Stanley Tucci’s mad scientist. And I sort of felt like, “Oh, wow. That’s like mentioned me in any sentence with Stanley Tucci. I think he’s extraordinary.”

Justin:                          Yeah. I feel like you could make a better Negroni, but it wouldn’t be a hundred percent sexual experience. Like it is with Stanley Tucci literally mixing. [inaudible 00:11:32]

Alex:                             We have a delivery coming your way. We’re going to have you do an groany live on the pump.

Olli Haaskivi:                 I hope I get to just meet him somewhere someday or shoot something with him at some point. Yeah.

Justin:                          I got to think there needs to be that sort of MCU party where it’s like, “Hey, where do the mad scientists? We’ll be over here by the hummus. Space gods over here.”

Olli Haaskivi:                 He’s a hero.

Alex:                             Just to take a little bit of a step back and talk about that set again, because it is, therefore, a very brief period of time. But that container set, that lab that he has is so cool. What was it like walking onto that for the first day?

Olli Haaskivi:                 It was wild. I mean, I’m sure there is a budget for these shows, but it certainly doesn’t feel like there is. I mean, It feels like a no expense is spared in making these sets and these costumes that are so detailed and so rich, and that adds to your performance obviously, because you go, “Okay, if this is this person’s lab and it’s this sort of sprawling and intricate and all of that, what does that say about the character?” And I was really stunned by it. And that’s another funny thing about being a guest actor on something, is that you don’t know what any of those things will look like usually until you’re there. I mean, I remember starting to shoot The Deuce and getting onto the set and just going, this is not at all what I envisioned [crosstalk 00:13:10] my office to look like. And that was for whatever reason, that was a real impediment to me that day to like, [crosstalk 00:13:19] adjust my mind to what, especially when it’s something like your office or your home, like something that a character would spend a ton of time in.

Justin:                          Yeah. And you sort of have to do that visual work, in general, to get to into the character. So then all of a sudden you’re like, “Aye, this is not where I am here.”

Olli Haaskivi:                 Yeah. And again, just in the moment, I think part of the skill is being able to go, okay, that’s not what I thought, but how can we work with this?

Justin:                          You find the one object that does resonate. And you’re like, that’s the thing. And

Olli Haaskivi:                 Totally, and, and I mean, my experience on that set is just that it, I mean the whole thing just sort of feels like a playground or something. I mean, it is movie magic to the 900th power. And so, I mean, it did sort of have the feeling of the kind of thing you might imagine when you were a kid with these gigantic blue screens. I mean, I watched them film some of the shipping container stuff going into the lab and some of the fighting stuff. And I mean, that shipyard set was the size of a football field or something. And a lot of, a lot of the shooting you do when you’re an actor, especially a sort of an actor in New York city who does the kinds of things that are available there. A lot of that is trying to steal a shot on the subway before the police show up or something. [crosstalk 00:14:48] So yeah, it was, I was really blown away stepping onto those sets. The work that those people do is my look to me.

Justin:                          I feel like in one of your speeches, you talk about the blip interrupting the work that your character is doing. I feel like that has become, that really hit me because of Corona virus as like, “Oh man.” How does it feel doing that and having that resonance going forward?

Olli Haaskivi:                 I mean, I shot that pre-Corona virus.

Justin:                          That’s what I figured.

Olli Haaskivi:                 Yeah, and so it has crossed my mind a couple of times recently, “I wonder if my performance would be richer now.” I don’t have to imagine the experience anymore. None of us do, unfortunately, of being trapped in one location for a really long time, trying to stay alive. And yeah, it is funny to, to think about that now, but [inaudible 00:15:53]

Justin:                          The post-COVID performance is you hard, look it down the lens. I can’t believe we’ve been gone all this time.

Olli Haaskivi:                 Right. Or like looking at the lens, being like, we all know what [crosstalk 00:16:04]

Alex:                             Yeah, no, I don’t know if you’re aware, but your character dies at the end of the episode. I hope that’s not too much of a shock. [crosstalk 00:16:16]

Olli Haaskivi:                 And I mean, that’s, what’s amazing if the gunshot didn’t kill him, the explosion, I mean, it’s mo-… We’ve got a lot going on in that.

Pete:                            Well, what’s that like, though, because you get this role, you get a chance to be in the MCU, in the Marvel universe and that they’re like, great. And then by the end of the seed, you’re shot, you’re dead and you’re blown up.

Olli Haaskivi:                 Yeah. I mean, I, and this might sound like sort of like a Rosie Pollyanna answer or something. But, I think I was just thrilled to be there ever. [crosstalk 00:16:47] And also my, my first thought was, “Oh God, I don’t love guns. And I don’t love fire. So how are we going to, am I just going to be terrified on set the whole time?” I was not because, I mean, the safety on that set is top-notch and they made me feel so comfortable. And, but I think that was the technicalities of it were where my brain was at. But, I also know, is anyone really dead in the Marvel Cinematic Universe?

Justin:                          That’s a good point. It does seem that guns and fire are your character’s weakness.

Olli Haaskivi:                 But I also feel like, maybe this is just the actor begging for a job or something, but I feel like, if anyone could have come up with a way to come back after that, Dr. Wilford Nagel.

Alex:                             I mean, he could have injected himself with a super soldier serum. There could have been a back out of the shipping container. There’re possibilities.

Olli Haaskivi:                 Uh-uh (positive). Who can say?

Alex:                             Who can say? Before we let you go, what else do you have going on? Anything else you want to plug in particular, since I know you’ve balanced a bunch of different roles.

Olli Haaskivi:                 Yeah. This is sort of the last thing on the docket in terms of things to come out. I did an episode. It’s really funny. The Falcon and the Winter Soldier was sort of my last big job before the shut down and then during the shutdown, I did an episode of Social Distance, the Jenji Kohan series, it’s on Netflix. That I shot downstairs in my family’s living room. And, and it was funny to feel like going from the biggest possible thing you could imagine to me being the camera operator and the sound person and the lighting person and trying to act in this thing. And which is really, I mean, that’s so much of what I love about this is trying to have as wide a range of experiences as you possibly can.

Olli Haaskivi:                 But I think that that series is really beautiful. And I think the episode that I did, it’s anthology series. And so every episode is a whole different story. And the episode that I did, I got to be with Oscar Nuñez and Daphne Rubin-Vega and Guillermo Diaz and Miguel Sandoval and this like unbelievable cast. And yeah, if people are in the mood for something different, that’s there for them. I’m really, really proud that I got to be a part of that one.

Alex:                             Awesome. Olli, thank you so much for taking the time to chat with us. [crosstalk 00:19:25] Really appreciate it. I love the role, love the episode. For all of you listening out there, if you’d like to support us patrion.com/comicbookclub. We do a live show every Tuesday night at 7:00 PM to Crowdcast and YouTube. Come hang out. We would love to chat with you about Falcon and the Winter Soldier. iTunes, Android, Spotify, Stitcher, or the app of your choice to subscribe and listen. Listen at MarvelVision Pod on Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook comicbookclublive.com for this podcast and more. Until next time, Marvel you later.

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Sam and Bucky head to Madripoor with Baron Zemo in tow as we recap The Falcon and the Winter Soldier Episode 3, “Power Broker.” With Zemo on the team, it’s off to Low Town to find clues about who gave the Flag Smashers the Super Soldier Serum… Leading to a reunion with Sharon Carter, a.k.a. Agent 13. But that’s just the beginning, as things go predictably wrong, and things start exploding. And meanwhile, John Walker is one step behind…

From that surprise cameo by Ayo from Black Panther to Smiling Tiger to whether Madripoor is teeing up the X-Men, we break down all the Falcon and the Winter Soldier Easter eggs and comic book references in Episode 3.

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Full Episode Transcript

Alex:                 Welcome to MarvelVision, a podcast about Marvel the MCU and Falcon and Winter Soldier. I’m Alex.

Justin:              I’m Justin.

Pete:                I’m Pete. Zalben, this is your ep, buddy, huh? You excited?

Alex:                 Number-one Baron Zemo-

Pete:                To see your dad on screen?

Alex:                 … fan over here. My time has finally come. My ship has come in. We’re going to be talking about Power Broker, the third episode of the series. Now, requisite spoiler warning here. If you haven’t watched the episode, go watch it. I’m sure you woke up at 3:00 AM just as we all did-

Justin:              Just like us.

Alex:                 … and we’ve been talking about it nonstop for the past couple of hours-

Pete:                Nonstop.

Alex:                 … just really breaking down, heavily scripting this show. So we are ready to go.

Justin:              I like to get up at like 3:02 to really let it marinate a little bit for those first couple minutes and then press play, you know?

Pete:                Wow.

Alex:                 Yes. 100 percent, and also, I like to just sort of fairly let people have the chance to watch it. So that’s why I-

Pete:                [crosstalk 00:01:03].

Justin:              Exactly. Before I start shouting spoilers on Twitter, I wait until 3:02.

Pete:                Super nice of you guys.

Justin:              Of course, Alex, you scream first when you press play on it, right?

Alex:                 Every time for every show-

Justin:              Dope.

Alex:                 … even when it’s just on broadcast-

Pete:                [crosstalk 00:01:16].

Alex:                 … [crosstalk 00:01:16]. I’m first.

Justin:              At Broadway performances, you’re like “First. Yeah. I love this.”

Alex:                 So in this episode, just to give you the broad strokes, this picks up right where we left off pretty much in-

Pete:                53 minutes.

Alex:                 Left off in episode two as Sam and Bucky have gone to visit Zemo in prison to get information on the Power Broker. They don’t know about the Power Broker yet, but find out about the Power Broker, find out how the Flag-Smashers got the Super Soldier Serum and what’s going on with that. He has researched that over the years. So they think he’s going to be a good source, but of course, as we suspected the last episode of this podcast, they end up actually breaking Zemo out of jail and teaming up with him-

Justin:              We called it.

Alex:                 … in a hilarious buddy comedy, and they head to none other than Madripoor, which is a very important location for-

Justin:              I love this.

Alex:                 … X-Men fans. I’m sure we’ll get into this a bit. That’s where they meet Sharon Carter, who’s been hanging out there. They get into a big action scuffle there, find out more about the Super Soldier Serum, head on the next chapter of their journey, while in the background, John Walker and Battlestar are hot on their heels and just getting hotter on their heels as we go, and when we leave off, they’ve gone to investigate the next lead, and enter Wakanda. That’s where we leave off at the end there. So lots to talk about in this episode.

Pete:                Hey-oh.

Justin:              Hey-oh.

Alex:                 I’m curious. I think we’ve talked about this a little bit, and I know Pete’s going to yell at me because he never likes anything negative to be said. So I’ll caveat this with I continue to have fun watching this series. I enjoy part of this, but I’m still not 100 percent sure what’s going on with the characters necessarily and the themes. It’s starting to feel much more muddled to me episode by episode-

Pete:                You’ve only got-

Alex:                 … while-

Pete:                … three more eps left.

Alex:                 Sure, and it might all wrap up. That’s why I’m holding off for the moment on making any broad judgments, but I definitely felt, too, with this episode, a lot of it was setting up plot but not focusing on the part that I’m most interested in personally, which is Sam and his battle for the shield.

Pete:                Dora Milaje.

Alex:                 That was only very tangentially touched on, and it feels like a lot of the themes in the episode are not touching on that either. They’re there to service the super soldier plot. What’s your guys’ takeaway? Are you feeling the same way? Or you completely disagree?

Pete:                No, no. First off, first off-

Alex:                 Pete, I know.

Pete:                … go fuck yourself.

Alex:                 Wait. Pete, just to frame up for anybody who’s new to this podcast, Pete knows that if I say anything bad about Marvel movies or TV shows, that’s it. They’re not going to make any more.

Justin:              Yep. They’re shutting it down.

Pete:                All right. So-

Justin:              Atlanta? They shut it down.

Pete:                So first off, no. That is not my point. My point is all you’ve been doing is being like “Man, I can’t wait for Zemo. Oh, man. Just give me a Zemo ep. Where’s my god damn Zemo ep?” You get a whole Zemo ep. Zemo dances. Zemo puts on the mask. You don’t know if he’s going to put on the mask, but then he woops ass with the mask on then takes it off and being all cool. You get to see his rides. You get to see his style. All you get is Zemo in this ep, and then you have the balls to turn around and go “Muddled. I want to know about the characters.” Shut the fuck up.

Justin:              Yeah. Yeah.

Pete:                Eat your popcorn and enjoy the ride, because you’re getting-

Alex:                 Eat your popcorn?

Justin:              Eat your popcorn.

Pete:                You’re getting exactly what you fucking wanted.

Alex:                 Yeah. I mean, hold on. I’ll tell you what I do, Pete, because a lot of people on the podcast don’t necessarily know this, and you know this, of course. That’s why you brought it up. Because we watch these episodes first thing in the morning, I’ll set the popcorn maker on a timer the night before.

Justin:              Oh, so smart.

Pete:                Because you’re smart. Because you’re smart.

Alex:                 So I wake up to those sweet, sweet sounds of … and if I don’t get there in two and a half minutes, I’m screwed. That’s burnt popcorn, baby.

Justin:              Yeah, and of course you-

Pete:                Oh, man. Nothing worse than that.

Justin:              You purchased one of those Coke machines where it’s just a bunch of buttons and you can get any flavor of soda.

Alex:                 Freestyle? Yeah.

Justin:              Freestyle.

Alex:                 Absolutely.

Justin:              You got one of those in the house. You hired an usher there, who’s like “Hey, man. Feet off the seats. Enough of that.”

Pete:                Yeah. He says-

Alex:                 Yeah. I hired-

Pete:                Can I see your tickets?

Alex:                 I was like “Listen. I want a surprisingly aggressive usher,” and they’re out of work right now. So I’m just helping the community.

Pete:                Surprisingly-

Justin:              Flashlight in your face.

Pete:                … aggressive.

Justin:              Obviously, and for those of you that don’t know, Pete is Alex’s father, and Alex wanted Zemo for his birthday, and then Pete got it for him, and clearly it wasn’t enough for Alex.

Pete:                It was enough. You know, do you know how long I had to stand in line to get that Zemo for you? They were almost out.

Alex:                 I appreciate it.

Pete:                I had to fight off a little-

Alex:                 They gave you the vaccine at the same time though, right?

Pete:                Yeah.

Alex:                 Free.

Justin:              I hear you, Alex, on your complaints or your issues, because I agree in that we set up … In the first episode when the characters were separate, when Falcon and Winter Soldier were separate from each other and everyone was separate, we got to see a little bit of like “Oh, I see …” They put some items on the table. We got Winter Soldier’s trauma that he’s trying to fix. We got Sam-

Pete:                [crosstalk 00:06:04].

Justin:              … dealing with the post-blip struggles, struggles being a black person in America, all that stuff [inaudible 00:06:12], like identity, legacy, filling that stuff in. We got all that on the table.

Pete:                Trying to get loans.

Justin:              Yeah. Then second episode, there was a little bit less of that and a little bit more plot. In this episode, they were like “Plot time. We can’t deal with that …” They talk about race a little bit, but it feels very … It’s not touching on it in the right [crosstalk 00:06:31].

Alex:                 It’s mostly Zemo telling Sam how to feel as a black man, which is weird.

Justin:              Very weird and uncomfortable, legitimately, and maybe that was purposeful, but I think it feels weird in the absence of furthering those themes they set out in the first episode. So I definitely hear that. On the Pete front, the Zemo … I was surprised this episode focused so much on Zemo, and I liked that. He is an interesting character, and again, it further confuses the good-guy-bad-guy narrative of this series, and I think it-

Pete:                Especially the way that Zemo talks about things. It’s all very matter of fact, and he even is on the side of Falcon, but Falcon was like “Okay. All right. It’s weird that you’re saying that, but yeah> I agree with you.” There was some fun moments there. You really got to see a lighter side to a very villainous character, and I thought Zalben would just be a pig in shit in this episode, loving all the different sides of Zemo that we’re spending time with, but then … All he does is talk about “I can’t wait for Zems. I’m a fucking Zem head.”

Alex:                 I’ll keep complaining if you want. This is-

Pete:                I just can’t-

Alex:                 Two other things that I was frustrated about with Zemo, who I still like, and I think Daniel Bruhl is great, and I appreciate the fact that everybody loves him dancing up in the club … Two things on different sides. Love Baron Zemo in the comics. He’s an … Yes. Doing the fist pump. Love it. In the comics, he’s a great villain.

Pete:                He was moved by the music.

Alex:                 He’s a great villain. I love him in the comics. Obviously, problematic because of his Nazi background. They don’t have that in the show, and they don’t have it in the MCU, and certainly it’s better for it, but this is something that they kind of … not exactly sneak in there, but fit in there with the MCU continuity, which makes sense. I have no problems with it, but mentioning that he’s a baron, like he was in the comics, makes it weird to me retroactively for Civil War, and mind you, this might be head canon a little bit, but because he could have been royalty, but what we knew from Civil War is that he lived just outside of Sokovia. They thought they’d be safe during Avengers: Age of Ultron. They were not. He blamed the Avengers and proceeded to take them down and win by the end of Civil War.

Alex:                 So that’s a huge deal, but I think the part of it, the thing that makes it so powerful in Civil War is that, relatively speaking, he is a regular guy and a regular citizen of Sokovia, as far as we know, who is doing it, and it makes it that much stronger that his hate, his thirst for revenge pushed him so hard to take down the world’s most powerful super team. Here, we find out he’s a baron, very rich, has his own plane and tons of resources.

Pete:                Man of the people just walking in the streets being like “Sup?” Like “Oh, Zemo’s back on the scene. What’s up?”

Alex:                 Divorced from anything else, it’s fun to watch. Again, I want to keep emphasizing this. I am having fun watching the show, but there are-

Pete:                You fucking better.

Alex:                 … these little things that happen like that that I’m like “I don’t know that that adds as much to the MCU as I would have liked,” and the other thing … The mask is fun. It was only there because Daniel Bruhl was not going to do that action sequence. That was the only reason they-

Justin:              Wow. Alex really-

Pete:                Oh, you shut your mouth. You shut your mouth.

Justin:              … really pulled the curtain back.

Alex:                 The mask is the most-

Pete:                Come on.

Alex:                 … crucial part of his character, like how Mary Jane’s hair has to be red or Captain America needs to be blonde. These are all the crucial parts of these characters-

Justin:              Wow.

Alex:                 … that need to be held on to.

Justin:              What?

Pete:                Oh, no. What are you doing right now?

Alex:                 I’m being very weird.

Pete:                Who are you? You’re a fucking monster with this bullshit. That is just-

Justin:              I will say, outside of your production problem with the mask, the fact that he … In this episode, Falcon and Winter Soldier, as they’re heroes characters, don’t appear. They’re doing some espionage stuff, they’re shooting guns, but Zemo’s the one that gets to be the super hero, quote-unquote. He gets to put on the mask and help them out of a bad situation. I thought that was super interesting and odd to me.

Pete:                It was crazy how quickly Zemo was just fucking running shit. It was all-

Justin:              Once that fur collar-

Pete:                … Zemo’s idea, plans.

Justin:              Once that fur collar pops, Zemo’s gone.

Pete:                Fucking, this was definitely some kind of crossover between Zoolander and Zemo. It was so meta, but-

Justin:              Ooh, Zemolander.

Alex:                 Zemolander.

Pete:                … [crosstalk 00:10:40] like “Do you know what you’re doing?” but the Blue Steel comes through in the end. I thought it was weird but also just fun, like the-

Alex:                 Wait. Hold on. Before we move on too far, I just want to throw this out there. What is this? A museum for Ant-Man?

Justin:              Okay. Okay.

Pete:                Oh, wow. Wow. Okay.

Justin:              Okay.

Pete:                All right.

Justin:              See, your Zoolander comparison, I don’t quite understand, but I’ll take it. I feel like Zemo’s sort of the Joe Pesci here.

Pete:                Oh, wow. Interesting.

Justin:              He’s just-

Alex:                 Of Lethal Weapon?

Justin:              Yes. Yes.

Alex:                 Oh, okay.

Pete:                Of Lethal Weapon.

Alex:                 Not My Cousin Vinny.

Justin:              Yeah. He’s sort of the My Cousin Vinny.

Alex:                 Yeah.

Justin:              The two yutes.

Alex:                 And Marisa Tomei is like the Aunt May.

Pete:                From Goodfellas.

Justin:              [inaudible 00:11:20] hundred percent. Yes.

Pete:                I just thought it was interesting. Instead of Zemo just being an awful person, awful character, they really went out of their way to show Zemo in a different light, and it was very different from what … Because it started with him using the code words against Winter Soldier just to throw it in his face, but then it was like “Oh, I don’t need these words. I can play him like a fiddle regardless,” gets him to break him out, and Winter Soldier talking to Falcon, just being like “Yeah. So you know, hypothetically, let’s say we started a prison riot. Oh, yeah. Zemo’s here. Okay. Just-“

Justin:              I liked it. That felt very Ocean’s 11-

Pete:                So fun.

Justin:              … style, like “Oh, the plan? It’s already been done. Here he is.”

Pete:                Yeah. It’s been done.

Justin:              Very much Marvel movie making, the fact that Winter Soldier was like “Yeah. Let’s break him out. He’s on our team now.” It’s like “That’s a quick decision, bro.”

Pete:                Yeah. That was a very quick-

Alex:                 Well, particularly because in retrospect, as we find out later in the episode, they go to Madripoor to get this information, but who’s running Madripoor? It’s Sharon Carter. So I guess she’s off the grid. I guess Madripoor is this secret place, but it does feel like the sort of things that the US government probably knows she’s there but can’t extradite here. So they could have said “Hey. You don’t have to break Zemo out of prison. Just go to Sharon.”

Justin:              Just go to Sharon. Exactly.

Alex:                 Cut out the middle man.

Pete:                Yeah. Sharon’s running shit, man. This episode was like “You guys having fun? You playing games? I’m fucking running shit while you guys are running around doing whatever. This whole city bows to me.”

Alex:                 Now, while we’re talking about this, before we move on, and this is definitely getting way deep into the X-Men speculation well, but Sharon Carter, Agent 13, has been heavily linked often with Captain America, with Wolverine. There’s this great … I think it’s an X-Men issue, where it’s Wolverine, Black Widow, and Captain America teaming up in Madripoor, which is super fun.

Justin:              It’s like X-Men 180, I want to say, 181.

Alex:                 Yeah, which this feels like a little bit of a nod in that direction, was all I wanted to say.

Justin:              I mean, just having Madripoor there … It feels like a whole new area of the Marvel universe is unlocked. So much stuff happens in Madripoor. I thought they did a good job showing Madripoor for what it is, this always night time place where there’s just crime, criminals running loose.

Pete:                They made a joke about New York not being able to hang with Madripoor. I was like “Oh, man. Shot’s fired.”

Justin:              If we just get a quick shot, I want someone to either find it or Photoshop Hugh Jackman wearing an eye patch in the back of one of these Madripoor bar fights.

Alex:                 I’m sure it is already all over the internet by this point.

Justin:              Let’s see it.

Pete:                But speaking … Oh. Go ahead. Finish your thought.

Justin:              I was going to say, what do we feel like Zemo being established as the Jay Leno of the Marvel Cinematic Universe?

Alex:                 Oh. Having so many cars?

Justin:              A hundred percent.

Pete:                So many cars, like-

Alex:                 Or apologizing for his past racism? Which one?

Justin:              I guess, technically both. News. Topical. Or maybe Jay Leno’s the Baron Zemo of our universe.

Pete:                Oh, yeah.

Justin:              Think about that.

Pete:                I mean, I did appreciate when he reached into a car and then saw the purple mask. The hesitation, the kind of awe of it was a fun little moment there, and I thought that was cool.

Justin:              Plus, the segment of Baron walking, where he walked around and asked tourists dumb questions, I thought was really, really pointed.

Alex:                 Very funny. Very provocative, is what I would say.

Justin:              It’s so provocative.

Pete:                Someone brought up Ocean’s whatever here. They did have that moment where-

Alex:                 I’m sorry. The second half of that title is not hard to remember.

Justin:              Arguably easier.

Pete:                Well, I don’t know if it’s 11, 12-

Alex:                 Oh, okay.

Pete:                … 13, whichever one was the one where the actress was playing herself and it got real meta. That’s part with Sam was a little weird, where he was Smiling Tiger. It was fun to watch him do that shot, but I felt like we did a lot of work just to make him do a snake baby shot.

Justin:              Snake baby? A lot of bars have snakes underneath. You just got to ask for the right cocktail-

Pete:                For the usual?

Justin:              … and I’m a bartender, former bartender. So I know. I always had to-

Pete:                I wasn’t insulting your-

Justin:              When you set up your bar, you restock the bottles, cut your limes and lemons, feed the snake a rat so the snake stays alive so can eventually cut it open for venom.

Pete:                Right.

Alex:                 They did that in Cheers, right? Every time Norm would come in, they’d just pull the snake out from the bar-

Pete:                Norm.

Justin:              Yeah.

Alex:                 … cut it open, and serve it to him.

Justin:              Yeah. That was a Woody thing. He was always like “Mr. Peterson-“

Pete:                So Justin-

Justin:              “… here’s your shot of snake …”

Alex:                 Snake baby.

Pete:                So because you’re such a bartender, how good is a snake baby shot? Is it delicious? Is it-

Justin:              It’s really good. Some people like just your straight up Tequila, salt. Some people like a lemon drop. The real drinkers-

Alex:                 Just to honestly check, it’s not a snake baby, right? It’s the venom glands that they were cutting out?

Justin:              I’m assuming it was venom.

Alex:                 Okay.

Justin:              We didn’t get an anatomy lesson on the snake, but snake babies are solid, while that was liquid. So that’s where I would say the difference is.

Pete:                I don’t know. It’s tough to tell, man. The angle that they were showing the shot glass … It looked like a little snake baby was in there.

Justin:              [crosstalk 00:16:31] eat the worm?

Alex:                 Yeah. Probably that’s a deleted scene. They’ll put that up next week or something, like “Just to be clear, this is a snake baby I’m serving you.”

Justin:              Drink like Zemo drinks. Have a snake baby.

Pete:                Oh, man, and then Zemo’s like “Don’t you fucking break right now. We’re all in this. You die with the lie.”

Alex:                 They were so sneaky in that bar, whispering to each other very loudly-

Pete:                Yeah. Oh, man.

Alex:                 … about what was going on.

Justin:              Yeah. No one could-

Pete:                Don’t blow this. Hey. What did that guy just say? Nothing. Don’t speak English, right? Okay.

Justin:              Sam drank that shot like a champ. He smelled it. Like a real pro, he smelled it, touched his chin with it, looked at it a couple times, then finally … I was like “Man, this guy knows how to blend it.”

Pete:                I’m glad that we got to stop and fight about how good Marvin Gaye is, because I think it’s important. Marvin Gaye is unbelievable, and I don’t care what time period you’re from. You got to stop and appreciate it.

Alex:                 I do want to mention, because we’ve been bouncing around this a little bit, some of the dialogue in the past couple episodes … Just purposely, I think, action movie style is kind of clunky and whatever, but Anthony Mackie is doing the most with absolutely everything. Even if it’s a clunky joke, he makes it work, and I think that’s great.

Justin:              I agree with you. Yeah, because it is … I mean, this does feel like … We hold our TV dialogue to a higher standard than movie dialogue, I think, because it’s a show we’re watching at home. It’s something we’re sifting through a little bit, while movies, we’re like “I’m going to get on this ride and see where it ends.” So I do think-

Pete:                Yeah. You buy popcorn for movies.

Justin:              Right. Or you have your personal popcorn popper there.

Alex:                 Yes. My usher does it for me in the morning, but however you get your popcorn, that’s not the point.

Pete:                Right.

Justin:              Your usher was the same guy that was Baron’s pilot and champagne deliverer.

Alex:                 That guy loves Baron Zemo way more than I do.

Pete:                Oh, wow.

Justin:              That guy was the oldest person I think I’ve ever seen, and he was piloting that plane?

Pete:                Come on.

Alex:                 I think so.

Pete:                Oh, come on.

Alex:                 I think that’s what they revealed later on.

Pete:                You’ve seen Big Trouble in Little China. Come on. That guy was so much older.

Justin:              That’s true, but this guy … I don’t know. I thought it was such a funny casting choice, and the way the guy was sort of goofy. He was giggling it up with Zemo.

Pete:                Yeah. He’s like “Ha-ha. We’re old and racist. Ha-ha-ha-ha.”

Justin:              Totally.

Alex:                 Well, he’s not though. That’s the thing is Baron Zemo is not exactly racist. Meanwhile, John Walker, who we haven’t really talked about yet, definitely delving into the real bad side. He’s going off the deep end real quick here.

Justin:              Yeah. I feel like seeing his anger right at the top of the episode … I was like “Aha. Now we’re going in that direction,” and it was interesting how much work they put into making him sort of a regular guy in the last episode, and in this, they were immediately like “Nope. He’s a dick. Later.”

Alex:                 He was also so close in that scene where he breaks into where the Flag-Smashers were and confronts the guy. He says “Don’t you know who I am?” right?

Justin:              Yeah.

Alex:                 Which-

Pete:                Yeah. He does.

Alex:                 It wasn’t that, but there’s a very famous scene, if you’ve ever seen it, in the Ultimates where Captain America points at his head and says “Do you think this A stands for France?” and it felt like had the same energy. I almost thought he was going to say that in there, but obviously he did not.

Justin:              Yeah.

Alex:                 What else should we talk about? There’s a ton of action sequences.

Pete:                I did really appreciate the spit in the face that the fake Captain America got. I thought that was well earned and deserved, but yeah. I agree with you. The action sequences were amazing. It was great to see Aaron Carter … or Sharon Carter just wooping some [crosstalk 00:19:58].

Alex:                 Yep. Aaron Carter. Stick with it.

Justin:              You said it. You have to commit. Make it make sense.

Pete:                Yeah. There was some music. There was some dancing, and then Aaron Carter punched a bunch of people in the face. No. I think that I really enjoyed the whole … We’re getting swarmed here, and then she got to beat up some people and then run inside and join the action. So I thought that was great, and it was also … It was just a lot of fun fight sequences in between stuff. That was very much appreciated.

Alex:                 Well, this is taking a step back to what we were talking about earlier, but in terms of Sharon and Madripoor as a whole and spending so much time on it, it really did feel like there was a lot of thought put into making this Marvel’s next big location. Maybe not the same level of world building as Wakanda, because that was insane and over the top in terms of what they did there in that movie, incredible, but it gave a very similar feeling to me in terms of you got this, you got Hightown, you got Lowtown, here’s Madripoor, this is what it looks like, here’s how you get in, here’s how it works, that it’s clearly the sort of thing that they wanted to establish so that they can potentially bring back down the road.

Justin:              Yeah. They definitely put it on the map in a very real way. It’s not like in movies where they’re just like … Even Sokovia. That’s on the map, but it was like “Hey. This is a place we’re doing now and then we’re not going to do really again.” There’s talk about it a little bit, but this, it feels like they’re sort of forward casting Madripoor. They’re writing it down for us so that we can take it and go home with it, which I think is great. I’m excited about Madripoor as a location, and not even just X-Men speculation stuff. So many heroes and villains in the comics run through Madripoor.

Pete:                Yep.

Alex:                 Just setting up a place like that where you can have villains mention “Oh, we got to get out of here. We got to get to Madripoor,” like you’re saying. It doesn’t need to be “And then Wolverine’s in the background.” It could just be a place. That said, two little Easter eggs here. We get the Brass Monkey bar and the Princess Bar. Princess Bar is a place that I believe Wolverine did hang out at quite a bit when he would go to Madripoor as Patch. Brass Monkey, meanwhile, is just another bar in-

Pete:                The Funky Monkey.

Justin:              That’s right.

Alex:                 … in Madripoor. So there you go. Couple of other Easter eggs while we’re touching on stuff that I wrote down. The Smiling Tiger is a completely different character in the comics, Conrad Mack. He’s a New Warriors character. So I don’t know if you know him, Justin.

Justin:              Yes, but he sort of came to more prominence after the mid-’90s run, I believe, but yeah.

Alex:                 Yeah, but totally different. It’s just using the name. That’s it. Dr. Wilfred Nagel, who is the doctor who-

Pete:                I was calling him Dr. Bagel.

Justin:              Oh, cool. Let me ask you, Pete. What do you want to do with that? Should we-

Pete:                Well, it just is very plain. He’s a plain bagel, and I’m glad they shot him. I didn’t like him in the beginning. I didn’t like him … Dead, he was a little bit better, but-

Justin:              He was better dead? You hate plain bagels.

Pete:                Yeah. There’s nothing worse.

Justin:              There’s nothing worse.

Pete:                You got to do so much work to get it nice.

Alex:                 He is directly from Truth: Red, White & Black, which is the same place that Isaiah comes from last episode, Isaiah Bradley, and yeah. He basically serves the same function there. He was the one, in case you couldn’t figure it out, though you probably can … He was the one who was mining Isaiah’s blood in the show. He reproduced the super soldier formula after … So he wasn’t really a genius or anything, but the other interesting detail, before I get into other things that I jotted down, is we don’t find out who the Power Broker is. We speculated about this a little bit.

Pete:                Yeah. It’s the title of the episode, and we don’t even get to meet the Power Broker. Talked about a little bit, but that’s it.

Alex:                 That feels like a thing, right? Because-

Justin:              Yeah.

Alex:                 … last episode, we speculated that maybe the Power Broker is the United States government. Maybe the Power Broker was something else, not what we were expecting, but at least based on this episode, it does seem like the Power Broker is somebody and potentially somebody we’re going to meet down the road in this series.

Pete:                I would hope so, all the talk about the person.

Justin:              Lot of talk about the Power Broker. I thought for sure, and maybe it’s someone we already know or something like that.

Alex:                 Is it Sharon? It could be Sharon, right?

Pete:                It’s probably Sharon. Yeah. I would-

Justin:              It’d be weird if they didn’t reveal that this episode-

Alex:                 Yes.

Justin:              … right?

Alex:                 Yeah.

Justin:              I don’t know, and on the other thing of things I was surprised, like you were just describing Isaiah Bradley as where the serum came from, I was surprised they didn’t make that connection explicit. It was sort of like … Right? It was like-

Alex:                 I feel like they’re weirdly underplaying all the Truth stuff in the show. Granted, there have only been two things so far, but to your point, both of them … They’re a big deal for continuity, for Marvel Comics, for what the show could say about certain things, and at least right now, and granted, we’re only half way through the series, it doesn’t feel like they’re hitting it quite as hard as they could.

Justin:              I feel like we’re going to get a big … I hope they’re underplaying it so that they can give us a reveal later that-

Pete:                That’s what I’m hoping.

Justin:              … Isaiah comes back and has a heroic moment-

Pete:                Yeah. That would be-

Justin:              … or something like that, because they included him in the previously-on for sure, and then the fact that it wasn’t explicitly referenced when they were talking about the serum … I was just surprised that it was like “Hey. If you’re listening, you’ll get this, but if you’re not, you might miss it.”

Pete:                Yeah. I’m really hoping for a better use of that, because if that’s all we get, it’s going to be kind of super sad, but I did … It was an interesting story that Dr. Bagel was talking about, where it was like “I was right in the middle of 20 vials of this huge discovery, and then I got turned to dust and was like ‘Aw,'” and then he’s like “Five years later, and it’s not even funded, and I don’t even know what’s going on.” I was like “Man, Dr. Bagel-“

Justin:              Dr. Bagel.

Pete:                “… you should probably get shot now.”

Justin:              Yeah.

Alex:                 I liked that.

Justin:              I did too.

Alex:                 I thought that was a nice speech.

Justin:              Smart. Yeah, and I like this secret shipping container lab, I thought was cool. Alex, you must have loved the Lost-ian introduction to the lab. It was very-

Alex:                 So cool. I was like “Who is it? Is it Desmond? Is Desmond the doctor? What’s going on? Where is Desmond?” and that’s the big question that I think the series is going to answer going forward. Where’s Desmond?

Justin:              It’s not Penny’s boat, I think is one thing we can-

Alex:                 We can establish that.

Justin:              We can establish that.

Pete:                Well, this is fun. I’m getting all these references [crosstalk 00:26:18].

Alex:                 Let’s talk about the cliffhanger at the end as Bucky follows those little Wakanda balls around the corner and discovers Ayo from Black Panther, from-

Pete:                Dora Milaje, baby. Come on.

Alex:                 Yep. From … That was so loud. From Infinity War. I assume she was in Endgame, because everybody was in Endgame. Played by Florence Kasumba. This is great. I like this. I loved the streams of the Black Panther theme sneaking in there at the end. Super fun twist.

Justin:              I agree. It’s great. I was very surprised that they went that way, and I like … We got a mention earlier on in the … or I guess, last episode, about Bucky, as his time in Wakanda was important, and the fact that we get this, I’m like “Yes. This is great.” Really weaving the continuity together in a way that I didn’t expect them to do.

Pete:                Yeah. It was great because Bucky was like “We’re not going to be the only …” Zemo just appears. Wakanda’s not going to not do anything. So the reveal of “I’m here for Zemo,” and I knew it was only a matter … It was just so great.

Justin:              Again, throwing another wrench in their plan, where it’s like Zemo, bad guy, but they need him, so they keep bringing him around. He is helping them. Wakanda, good guys. We want Zemo. Well, we can’t give you Zemo. Then they’re all, again, in this miasma of who’s right, who’s wrong.

Pete:                We’ve got three more eps to kind of wrap up all these threads, which I’m nervous about.

Justin:              I mean, I agree with you a little bit because it’s like you got to start … They keep opening it up, and they got to start closing it up.

Pete:                Yeah. It keeps getting bigger and bigger. Yeah. Keeps getting bigger and bigger, and it’s like “No, no, no, no. Go the other way.”

Justin:              But I do think, if this series has movies structure to it, it makes sense that now it’s still a little bit open, and then next episode we’re going to start to get some bad things happening and things starting to come together a little bit.

Pete:                Do you think we’ll have two more Zemo dance breaks before the end of this whole thing being over? How many more-

Alex:                 The next episode is just Zemo’s dance hour.

Justin:              Yep.

Pete:                Oh.

Justin:              Yeah. There’s no-

Pete:                That’s going to be worth it.

Justin:              … very little story. It’s just a lot of … It’s sort of like MTV’s The Grind from back in the ’90s, but with Zemo.

Pete:                That’s a very-

Justin:              Zemo’s going to be the Eric Nies.

Pete:                Nobody’s getting that ref, dude. I love it. I love it.

Alex:                 Here. I’ll update it a little bit. He’s going to do masks-off dance-off.

Pete:                Whoa.

Justin:              Nice. Wow.

Alex:                 You guys remember Pants-Off Dance-Off?

Justin:              Yes. Good.

Alex:                 Also very good.

Pete:                Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Justin:              That was on Fuse, a lesser known network.

Alex:                 Fuse. Yes. Yes. Oh, I do want to bring up the Flag-Smashers. We haven’t really talked about them yet, because they have this nice through line throughout the episode. My takeaway-

Pete:                Yeah. Karli.

Alex:                 My big takeaway here is that they seem like they’re on the side of right, but clearly, Karli is starting to go too far. Was that your takeaway as well?

Pete:                Yeah.

Justin:              Yeah, and they do a nice thing where we get to know her even more. We get to know what she wanted to be. We see her softer side, and then-

Pete:                Yeah. She wanted to be a teacher.

Justin:              She wanted to be a teacher, and then the next scene with her, she’s like “Hey. We got to go hard here, or else.”

Pete:                Well, I mean, the other person was right. They needed some time for her to mourn. I think she’s using her anger in ways that is not helpful, and she’s got to mourn and have some time, and then hopefully she can be a better person, but that was like “Oh, no. Karli, no. Karli, why. Karli, oh.”

Alex:                 I do wonder if we’re going to get some sort of conversation down the line between Zemo and Karli, and what that would mean, whether it’ll bring Karli further over the edge or potentially Zemo bringing her back in some way, I-

Pete:                Can Zemo teach her to dance?

Justin:              Yep.

Alex:                 Yes. That’s the big question.

Justin:              I would throw out … Yeah. I feel like we’re going to get a Nobody Puts Baby in a Corner moment between Karli and Zemo.

Pete:                Oh, yeah.

Justin:              Zemo, of course, is the baby.

Alex:                 Yep.

Pete:                Yeah. We all know.

Justin:              We all know what I’m talking about.

Pete:                Yeah. The dancing baby.

Justin:              Honestly, what if Zemo joins … Could he potentially be convinced to join the Flag-Smashers?

Pete:                Will Zemo figure out about TikTok and really take his dancing to a whole other level?

Alex:                 These are all very good questions that we’re definitely going to follow equally going forward throughout this podcast.

Justin:              A hundred percent. Okay. Let’s just recap sort of what Pete’s big takeaways from the episode. Fuck Dr. Bagel.

Pete:                Okay. Cool. Right.

Justin:              When will Zemo dance again? And I’m mad at Alex because he didn’t enjoy his birthday present.

Pete:                Also, bread crumbs are free, but the bakery costs money.

Alex:                 Very true.

Justin:              There we are. That’s the ravings of a mad man. That’s all the time we have. [inaudible 00:30:41].

Alex:                 Two other quick things. There are a bunch of names thrown out in this episode. One, Selby, the person that they meet at the bar. There is a character in the comics named Selby who’s a part of the Mutant Liberation Front, but it’s an entirely different character. So I don’t think that’s the reference there. More likely, it’s Dee Selby, who is a sound editor who’s worked on a bunch of Marvel projects. Or it could just be a character named Selby, and that’s pretty much it. But the other one that I thought was super funny, just because we talked about it in the first episode, is Bucky’s notebook, because I remember we had a conversation about people plumbing for Easter eggs and saying “Okay. It’s interesting that Bucky wrote in his notebook, because also Steve wrote in his notebook,” and in episode three, we found out they’re the same notebook.

Justin:              Yeah.

Pete:                Yeah.

Justin:              There it is.

Alex:                 There you go.

Pete:                Just one [crosstalk 00:31:28]-

Alex:                 Turns out, it was an actual Easter egg, and I apologize to anybody I made fun of about that.

Pete:                Ooh, you should.

Justin:              I’ll tell you what. Being so close to Easter, the Easter eggs really seem so much more important.

Alex:                 So much sweeter.

Pete:                Aww.

Justin:              You can taste the chocolate.

Alex:                 Before we wrap up here, what is on your Vision Board for the next episode, Justin?

Justin:              Like I said, sort of starting to put all of these characters in a direction, as opposed to that we’ve sort of just seen them pop, and they’re here opening up the story more. I want to start to see them really close it up. Who’s going to fight? Who are the good guys? Who are the bad guys? Maybe there aren’t any and it’s just these characters making hard decisions, and honestly, we didn’t see any sort of Falcon-ing here in this episode. I’m ready to see some more Falcon.

Alex:                 Yeah. To that point, on my Vision Board, I want to see more of Sam and Bucky. All of these other elements are distracting from the core Lethal Weapon nature of-

Justin:              You hate Zemo. You get too much Pesci.

Alex:                 That’s the thing. Don’t throw him in the middle. Don’t have him popping over their heads like he does on the poster. You guys know what I’m talking about, listening, and also you, Justin and Pete. Everybody remembers the classic poster from Lethal Weapon 3, I want to say.

Justin:              Of course. We definitely know the number of the movies.

Pete:                Three and a half or something? Yeah.

Alex:                 But I want to see more concentration on them. I feel like they’re getting a little lost in the middle of everything so that when they do come together and when they do fight, in a funny way, it’s surprising, but I want to see that more consistently. Pete, what about you? What’s on your Vision Board?

Pete:                Well, speaking of fighting in a funny way, I did love how the prison fight started, and as the guy jumped over the table, you saw he had a lower-back tattoo. I thought that was really funny. But I think, moving forward, we-

Justin:              You want to see more of that tattoo.

Pete:                No. I just thought it was hysterical that there was a quote-unquote tramp stamp on the back of that dude’s thing. That was really funny. All right. Moving forward, Sharon and Dora Milaje. That’s all I need, and we can just forget all these other threads and other stuff that’s going on in this TV show and just focus on that, and I’d be super happy.

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