31. How to Face The Mess We're in Without Going Crazy with Joanna Macy

As the US approaches Thanksgiving week, we quiet ourselves for an intimate interview with environmental activist, Buddhist scholar, and deep ecologist, Joanna Macy. She shares why we should suffer with the world as we experience the climate crisis, and why that's a tall order for our current political economy. But before that, Paul almost curses about how frustrating Bjorn Lomborg is, and Tom and Christiana share exciting details about their new book, "The Future We Choose"

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