772 - Then and Now with Ben Mandelker from Watch What Crappens

Watch this episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/RHx4jD1L_40

Mary Payne talks with friend Ben Mandelker (Watch What Crappens) about the Payne in the Pod interview they did on May 29, 2019. A LOT has happened in the five years since that interview, from dogs to pandemics. They'll mention it all.

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