91: Andy Slavitt and Bill Leonard

James and Al welcome religious historian Bill Leonard and Biden’s former Senior Advisor for COVID Response, Andy Slavitt, to look at the mythologies holding the USA back-- from the supposed glory of the Old South, to anti-social and harmful views about the pandemic and the ongoing efforts to end it.  Should we be optimistic?  And what will it take to convince the more recalcitrant among us to embrace the policies we need to create an inspiring future? 

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