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Cybersecurity's Next Legal and Policy Frontier: AI, the Software Supply Chain, Software Liability | An RSA Conference 2024 Conversation With Jim Dempsey and Jacob DePriest | On Location Coverage with Sean Martin and Marco Ciappelli

33 min • 24 april 2024

Guests:

Jim Dempsey, Senior Policy Advisor, Stanford Program on Geopolitics, Technology and Governance [@FSIStanford]; Lecturer, UC Berkeley Law School [@BerkeleyLaw]

On LinkedIn | https://www.linkedin.com/in/james-dempsey-8a10a623/

At RSAC | https://www.rsaconference.com/experts/James%20Dempsey

Jacob DePriest, VP, Deputy Chief Security Officer, GitHub [@github]

On LinkedIn | https://www.linkedin.com/in/jacobdepriest/

At RSAC | https://www.rsaconference.com/experts/Jacob%20DePriest

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Hosts:

Sean Martin, Co-Founder at ITSPmagazine [@ITSPmagazine] and Host of Redefining CyberSecurity Podcast [@RedefiningCyber]

On ITSPmagazine | https://www.itspmagazine.com/sean-martin

Marco Ciappelli, Co-Founder at ITSPmagazine [@ITSPmagazine] and Host of Redefining Society Podcast

On ITSPmagazine | https://www.itspmagazine.com/itspmagazine-podcast-radio-hosts/marco-ciappelli

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Episode Notes

In this new episode of On Location with Sean and Marco, the hosts, Sean Martin and Marco Ciappelli, dive into the intricate world of software supply chain challenges and the dynamic interplay of AI and cybersecurity. Joining the conversation are two distinguished guests: Jim Dempsey, a lecturer at UC Berkeley Law School and Senior Policy Advisor at the Stanford program on geopolitics, technology, and governance, and Jacob DePriest, Deputy Chief Security Officer at GitHub.

The episode kicks off with a vibrant discussion on the achievements of Jim and Jacob, who have both been accepted to speak at the RSA Conference, highlighting their significant contributions to the cybersecurity field. Jim Dempsey introduces his perspective from a legal and regulatory standpoint, emphasizing the importance of understanding the legal frameworks surrounding cybersecurity and his efforts to demystify this complex landscape through his published work.

Sean Martin skillfully navigates the conversation towards the juxtaposition of AI technology within the domain of software supply chain risks, probing into the potential benefits and dangers that AI presents for both attackers and defenders. Jacob DePriest provides a nuanced view of the software supply chain, emphasizing the multifaceted components, from development and deployment to the inherent risks posed by threat actors actively seeking exploitation opportunities.

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to exploring the notion of software liability, with Jim Dempsey offering a thought-provoking analogy of constructing an airplane mid-flight to capture the evolving nature of technology and cybersecurity. He shares insights into the current legal debates surrounding software liability and the potential for legislative action to incentivize the creation of more secure software products.

Marco Ciappelli and Sean Martin deliberate on the implications of placing accountability on developers and the broader industry to enhance cyber hygiene as a societal norm. They underscore the vital role of collaboration across various stakeholders in addressing cybersecurity challenges.

As the discussion draws to a close, the episode previews the upcoming RSA Conference talks by Jim and Jacob, promising engaging sessions on the legal and policy frontiers of cybersecurity and the evolving landscape of AI and software supply chain management. The hosts encourage listeners to engage further with these critical topics at the conference, highlighting the importance of these discussions in shaping the future of cybersecurity and technology.