Rethinking God with Tacos PODCAST

In this conversation, hosted by Bob Switzer and Jason, David Hewitt discusses the message of his new book, Ultimate Rest. They guys dive into living from a place of union with God. David emphasizes that the gospel is an announcement of what God has already done, and our role is to awaken to the rest that is already available to us in Christ. David highlights the importance of living in the overflow of God's love and grace, rather than striving to earn His favor. He encourages a relational approach to sharing the gospel, where we authentically live out our identity in Christ and allow God to work through us.

The conversation explores the themes of rest, trust, and participating in God's life. David and the guys explore the idea that rest is not laziness, but rather a deep trust in God's work and a recognition of our identity in Christ. They also touch on the need for a reformation in the church and the importance of embracing the essential values of the gospel. David shares practical advice for living in rest and invites listeners to reimagine what it means to be the body of Christ.

For more on David Hewitt:

Wellspring: www.wellsprings.uk.net

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Website: www.thebobswitzer.com

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In this conversation, Jason and his uncle, Jack Haberer, discuss Jack's journey in ministry and his new book, Swimming with Sharks: Leading The Full Spectrum Church In A Red And Blue World.

The book addresses the polarization within American Christianity and offers insights on fostering unity across denominations and ideologies.

They explore the importance of speaking the truth in love and embracing a full spectrum approach to church, where all voices are heard and valued.

They also discuss the need to go beyond dualistic thinking and embrace the revelation of God's love and grace. The conversation highlights the significance of understanding the true nature of Jesus and applying his teachings in a politically divided world.

For more information on Jack Haberer:

Website www.jackhaberer.com

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In this conversation, Jason and Catherine Toon discuss the themes of love, identity, and purpose as they revisit Catherine’s revised and expanded edition of her book, Marked By Love.

They discuss the importance of journaling and encountering God experientially. The conversation addresses the lies and insecurities we often believe about ourselves and the truth of our identity in Christ. The conversation emphasizes the transformative power of God's love as they explore the idea that we are created in God's image and likeness, prone to love, and designed to live in the fullness of His pleasure.

They also touch on the importance of trust and faith in navigating life's challenges and finding rest in God's presence. The conversation is filled with insights and personal stories that highlight the transformative power of understanding our identity in Christ.

For more information on Catherine Toon:

www.catherinetoon.com

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In this conversation, Jason and Derek discuss their reunion and the reasons behind Derek’s hiatus. They talk about their passion for the topics they discuss on their podcast, their personal journeys of growth and transformation, and the importance of love and union with God. They also touch on the impact of their podcast on the community and the need for vulnerability and authenticity in relationships. The conversation explores themes of love, recovery, church, and the transformative power of faith. In this part of the conversation, Jason and Derek discuss the concept of being born again and experiencing death as a transformative process. They also talk about the significance of repentance and the role of trust in the journey of faith. They highlight the American contribution to spirituality through the 12-step program of Alcoholics Anonymous and the need to break free from dualistic thinking. The conversation concludes with a discussion on hope, union with God, and the power of love. Please rate, review, share, and subscribe! Podcast intro and outro music by Wilde Assembly

Jason and Brooke connect with Ian Simkins and talk about community, the role of the table in ministry, and our identity being discovered in knowing ourselves as "the one Jesus loves."

They dive into the challenges of tribalism and division and the need for curiosity and humility in engaging with others. Themes of self-worth, identity, and the concept of being loved are discussed as they explore the impact of workaholism, the need for validation, and the struggle to find value beyond accomplishments.

The conversation addresses the practical implications of being loved, the correlation between self-love and loving others, the importance of operating from a place of rest, the concept of mystery in faith, the beauty of curiosity, and the significance of valuing interruptions.

For more information on Ian Simkins

www.instagram.com/iansimkins

www.iansimkins.com

www.x.com/iansimkins

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This conversation between Jason and Don Keathley dives into Don’s history and the evolution that led to the Grace Awakening Network.

The guys discuss the transformative power of grace, the Fatherhood of God, unconditional love, inclusion, and the practicality of the manifestation of the sons of God. The conversation delves into the importance of trust, the revelation of God's love, and the significance of becoming the light of the world. They also explore the concept of faith and the measureless revelation of God's love.

The conversation delves into the concept of sonship and the revelation of the Father's love, emphasizing the integration of Jesus' identity with our own. It explores the idea of theosis and the developmental process of becoming the fullest measure of the stature of Christ.

The discussion also touches on the nature of rest, the seamless flow between two realms, and the transformation of hearts and minds through union with the Father.

For more information on Don Keathley
YouTube: www.youtube.com/channel/
Website: www.donkeathley.com
Global Grace Seminary: www.globalgraceseminary.net/don-keathley/

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This conversation with Bob Hamp and co-host, Brooke Waters, explores the themes of freedom, identity, and transformation, emphasizing the shift from religious performance to relational experience. It delves into the concept of thinking differently, highlighting the process of becoming who we are created to be. The conversation delves into the topics of identity, behavior, freedom, and the nature of God's love. It explores the idea that behavior follows identity. The concept of the kingdom of God and the discovery of oneness is also discussed, emphasizing the role of consent and freedom in the context of love.

The conversation touches on the restoration of the self and the invitation to return to a place of oneness with God. The conversation delves into the practical application of relational theology, the impact of false narratives, and the role of theology in real-life scenarios. It also explores the nature of God as revealed in Jesus and the misassignment of responsibility in abuse situations within the church.

This episode delves into the impact of family dynamics on personal identity, the absence of responsible parenting, and the cultural shift towards self-focus. It also explores the concept of revival and the future of the church, emphasizing a flatter, more community-oriented structure.

For more information regarding Bob Hamp Website: www.tdacad.com

Channock Banet and Cory Rice are the senior and teaching pastors at Hill City Church just outside Louisville, KT, and the hosts of 2 Pastors And A Mic Podcast. Matthew Hester is the senior pastor of Dominion Church in the Greenville, SC, area, and the host of The Kingdom Is For Everyone Podcast.

Jason joins the guys in the Hill City Church studio to talk about the perfection of God’s love, the awakening within the church to union, relational theology that practically transforms our communities, how leaving the idolatry of separation impacts our thoughts on justice, heaven, and hell, friendship with God, the Kingdom alive and active in us, and seeing Christ in everyone.

For more information on Channock & Cory and 2 Pastors And A Mic www.youtube.com/@hillcityindiana/featured

For more information on Matthew Hester and The Kingdom Is For Everyone www.hesterministries.org

This conversation, co-hosted by Paul Golf, explores Douglas Campbell and Jon DePue’s book, Beyond Justification: Liberating Paul’s Gospel. The guys discuss the practical implications of their theological perspective and its impact on the church and society. The relational nature of God's revelation and the transformative power of understanding God's kindness and reconciliation are central themes. This conversation delves into the concept of Christian Universalism, the impact of theological beliefs on individuals, and the importance of rethinking traditional perspectives. The conversation also touches on the significance of understanding God's love and the practical implications of our beliefs in everyday life. For more on Douglass Campbell Website: www.douglascampbell.me For more on Jon Depue YouTube: www.youtube.com/c/ApocalypseHere For more on Paul Golf Website: www.championsofhope.co.uk

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In this conversation, Brent Lokker and Jason share personal experiences and insights into the understanding of union with Christ, emphasizing the importance of seeing God's love and grace in every aspect of life. They discuss the revelation of God's goodness and the transformation it brings.

Shame, freedom, awakening to the perfection of God's love, the power of revelation, belonging, authenticity, and the power of seeing others as filled with God's glory; in this conversation, Brent and Jason share stories that illustrate the heart of the Father and His desire to draw us into a relationship with Him.

For more on Brent Lokker
YouTube: www.youtube.com/@vibrantlife4you

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In this conversation, Jason and Brooke discuss Jason's book 'Surrendered and Untamed' and the journey of writing it. They explore the themes of radical faith, surrender, and living untamed. Jason shares his personal experiences and encounters with God that shaped the book.

This podcast discusses the process of writing, radical obedience, discovering and embracing ‘calling,’ a relational approach to surrender, themes of hope, identity, and union, and rethinking favor. Brooke and Jason explore the concept of separation and how it affects our understanding of God and our experiences in the church. Jason also touches on the themes of dismissal, rejection, and the spirit of prostitution within the church.

The conversation concludes with a discussion about tacos and an announcement of a book study on 'Untamed.'

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Dr. Tony Robinson, Brooke Waters, and Jason discuss being a dream disruptor—challenging false narratives and helping people discover their true selves.

Dr. Tony emphasizes the importance of knowing who Father God is and how He sees us. She also talks about discovering our identity in Christ, the power of asking questions in a relational context, and seeking God's perspective in understanding our purpose.

In this conversation, Dr. Tony, Brooke, and Jason discuss the importance of dreaming and living in alignment with one's true identity. They explore the idea that dreams are not just individual desires but a partnership with God to bring about His purposes. They also highlight the significance of dreaming generationally, understanding that dreams have the power to impact future generations.

For more on Dr. Tony Robinson
Website: www.masterdreamacademy.com

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Jared Neusch, Connor Shram, and Jason discuss the importance of bringing the Jesus way to the center of children's understanding and experience of God. The conversation focuses on Jared and Connor's new children’s book, Jesus vs. The Bad Guys, which aims to introduce children to the true nature of God and the concept of forgiveness. This wonderfully illustrated book invites kids to explore the goodness of God through imagination.

They discuss the shift from a contractual to a covenantal understanding of faith and the significance of Jesus' faithfulness in the process of salvation. The conversation explores the idea of teaching children about the importance of experiencing and understanding the love and acceptance that Jesus offers. It delves into the concept of nonviolent peacemaking and forgiveness, challenging the traditional view of a retributive God.

The conversation also touches on the book of Revelation and the idea that Jesus' way of forgiveness and nonviolence is what ultimately redeems the world. The guys share their personal experiences with their children and how they navigate the complexities of faith and peacemaking.

For more on Jared Neusch & Connor Shram

Jesus vs The Bad Guys / Available on Amazon

Jared Neusch www.instagram.com/jaredneusch

Connor Shram www.instagram.com/connorshram

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In this conversation, Bill Vanderbush and Jason discuss the shift from a desperate, performance-based Christianity to living in the goodness and simplicity of Christ. They explore the concept of the goodness of God and the danger of limited perception. They also touch on the deconstructed community and the reformational period the body of Christ is going through.

The conversation emphasizes the importance of living in union with Christ and beholding His authentic nature. Overall, the discussion highlights the need to embrace astonishment, wonder, and the simplicity of the gospel. Bill discusses his book 'Unveiled Horizon' and the motivation behind writing it for his children and future generations. He shares how the book resonated more with the New Age market than the Christian market, highlighting the disillusionment with Western Christianity and its organizational structures.

Bill talks about rediscovering neglected verses and the process of deconstructing his faith to focus on the goodness of God. He emphasizes the importance of resting in the finished work of the cross and the journey of radical commitment. The guys also explore the story of Peter in the Garden of Gethsemane and the concept of the long game of love. They dive into reconciliation and living in alignment with God's intention. Bill emphasizes the importance of understanding and experiencing the fruit of the covenant that is available to us through Jesus.

The conversation explores justice and dismantling paradigms, removing accusation, and living in our true identity. It concludes with a discussion on universalism and the long game of love.

For more on Bill Vanderbush
Website: www.billvanderbush.com

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In this episode, Randy and Leslie interview Jason Clark, a relational theologian and author. They discuss the challenges families face today and the importance of rediscovering cruciform love. Jason emphasizes the need for heart-to-heart connection in marriages and parenting, as well as the significance of mutual indwelling and oneness in family relationships. They also highlight the transformative power of God's love and the importance of understanding one's identity and purpose in God's design for family.

Randy and Leslie share their experiences and the work they do to help families thrive. This conversation explores the themes of redemption, restoration, and the kindness of God in the context of family. They share personal stories of overcoming challenges and finding healing and emphasize the need for a comprehensive strategy for the family and the importance of equipping families with practical tools. The power of listening prayer and living loved are discussed as transformative practices. The conversation concludes with a lighthearted discussion about the significance of food, specifically tacos, in family life.

For more on Randy & Lesli Bixby
Website: www.culturalarchitects.org

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Recognizing our shared humanity, approaching Christian nationalists in love, ethnic erasure, navigating fear, violence, and the political and religious divide, personal transformation and hospitality, finding heaven's solution to the immigration problem, shifting towards unity and compassion, creating language to communicate better alternatives, navigating potentially caustic interactions with leaders in the evangelical world, the influence of money and power in American Christian nationalism, the church growth model of American Christian nationalism, the exhaustion of maintaining a divisive posture, and seeing the manifold wisdom of God in all people, in this conversation Caleb Campbell shares with Dubb Alexander and Jason about his forthcoming book, Disarming Leviathan.

For more on Caleb Campbell

Substack: www.rcnc.substack.com

Website: www.disarmingleviathan.com

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“It can be true of us but not true to us.” Epignosis- a deeper, more personal, and experiential knowledge, the grace of apostolic ministry, the importance of connection and community, objective and subjective truth, encountering God's love and affection, the role of works in grace, moving from church mentality to Kingdom thinking, experiencing the truth goodness of God, living in freedom, the invitation to union and clearing the lens, the nature of hell and darkness, the relational dynamic with God, being light and working out salvation, living in the ease of His life, and the partnership between faith and action, in this conversation, Bishop Jamie Englehart and Jason dive into union and the journey experiencing our theology. 

For more on Jamie Englehart 

Facebook: Facebook
Website: www.connectinternationalministries.com

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In this conversation, Jason and Bryant Spratlin discuss the goodness of God and the journey of rethinking God's wrath as love, the impact of misinterpretation and bad theology, hearing God's voice, parenting and apologizing, choosing to love and staying connected, identity, loving the religious, imaginary prayer, the fear of being wrong, rethinking hell, apokatastasis-the restoration of all things, the pleasure of our Father, awakening to the present love reality, and Jesus as the perfect minister. The guys discuss the story of the woman caught in adultery to reveal the paradigm of union as the third option Jesus offers all of us. Overall, this conversation highlights the importance of understanding God's goodness and the transformative power of grace.

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The scapegoat mechanism, the subversion of myth, the anthropological story of humanity, the message of the blood of Jesus, understanding mimesis and desire, the transformative power of relationships, the relational nature of reality, the interconnectedness of all things, peace and beauty and seeing the sacred in every moment; in this conversation, Carlos, Jason, and Andre explore the concept of mimetic theory.

For more on Andre Rabe:
Website: www.alwaysloved.net
X / Twitter: @AndreRabe1 
Facebook: www.facebook.com/wordmadeflesh

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In this conversation, Bob Switzer shares his journey. Women in ministry, shifting from exegetical to narrative preaching, challenging traditional church structures, and pursuing authenticity, in this conversation Bob discusses the importance of Jesus as perfect theology and the need to reexamine problematic scriptures.

Bob also reflects on the loneliness experienced as a pastor and the lack of long-term friendships. He highlights the significance of exploring new theological perspectives and embracing the goodness of God. In this conversation, Bob Switzer and Jason discuss the misconceptions of podcasting and the unique format of Bob's podcast, The Epic Narrative.

They delve into the exploration of the life of David and the complexity of his story. They also touch on the importance of rethinking God and approaching scripture with a Christocentric hermeneutic. The conversation highlights the dualism in the story of Balaam and the liberty found in understanding the goodness of God. They conclude by emphasizing the significance of living in the eternal now and the freedom that comes from discovering the true character of God.

For more on Bob Switzer

Website: www.thebobswitzer.com

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Early encounters with Holy Spirit—the Gospel, growing in the language of love, shifting paradigms from separation to union, the conviction of God’s goodness, The Prodigal Son and the Good Father, Jesus the storyteller, and the significance of presenting the gospel through story, prison ministry, and transformative love, the Eucharist, the eternal now, gratitude and enjoyment; in this conversation Malcolm and Cheryl Smith share their background and journey in ministry, highlighting key moments of encounter and revelation.

For more on Malcolm & Cheryl Smith

Website: www.unconditionallovefellowship.com

Website: www.malcolmsmith.org

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Encountering Jesus in the Gospels, studying Scripture in community, embracing a relational theology centered on the love and grace of God, Gnosticism, confession, repentance and restorative justice, Jesus, the temple and a whip, the prophetic act of Jesus, the wisdom of Love, the concept of inclusion, the importance of embracing diversity, and the meal where everybody’s “in;” in this conversation, Cherith shares personal transformative stories of faith and trust and hope, and invites us to find our home in Jesus.

For more on Cherith Fee Nordling
Website: www.opentableconference.com/matthew-class

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In this conversation, Jason, Matthew, and Chris discuss the concept of union with Christ and its implications. They explore the idea that Jesus identifies completely with humanity and suffers with us. They also discuss the difference between a simplistic understanding of union and a profound understanding that recognizes the fullness of our identity in Christ.

How the master-slave paradigm is misused to justify power and control, speaking truth with love and authority, Christian nationalism and how it undermines the integrity of the gospel, the concept of the fear of the Lord and how it leads to perfect love, breaking conspiracy thinking and the hope we can know because God is in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, in this podcast, the guys start and end with the hope of the Gospel—God is in Christ reconciling the world to Himself

"The Israelite heals, that's all you need to know." Jefferey
From, Cormac McCarthy's, The Passenger.

CHAPTERS

03:16 The Concept of Union
11:46 The Radical Union with Christ
19:21 Living from Union
21:15 The Narrative of Master and Slave
32:46 Speaking Truth with Love and Authority
40:29 Using Jesus' Teachings for Political Gain
44:28 Christian Nationalism and the Integrity of the Gospel
48:46 The Fear of the Lord and Perfect Love
52:58 Breaking the Cycle of Fear and Conspiracy Thinking
56:18 The Future of Christianity in America
58:28 The Deconstruction Movement and the Search for Jesus
01:04:36 The Israelite Heals: Finding Hope in Jesus

For more on Chris EW Green
Website: www.substack.com/@cewgreen

For more on the guest host, Matthew Hester
Website: www.hesterministries.org

For Links to the articles and videos mentioned in this podcast:
God Is Not A Master — YouTube Teaching
God Is Not A Master — Substack Link
The Israelite Heals — Substack Link

Neuroscience and human relationships in the context of the biblical narrative, living in the path of oncoming beauty, moving from imagination to incarnation, being known, a peace beyond understanding, secure attachment—being seen, soothed, safe and secure—left brain right brain imagery, and The Soul of Desire, I this conversation Curt invites us to see beauty as we create beauty, as we become beauty because we are paying attention to Father who never leaves.

QUOTES

“Beauty is always coming toward us.” “We are co-laboring with God to help people tell their story more truly.”

“God's primary mission has not changed…Genesis three doesn’t mean we forget about Genesis one and two… It’s still the case that we are being formed into the image of Jesus in order for us to become like Him so we can rule to create and curate beauty and goodness in the world.”

“Because I am primed to pay attention to danger, I don’t practice looking for beauty…”

“Jesus’ capacity to see beauty just around the corner… with the man with the withered hand, with the woman caught in adultery… has everything to do with the degree to which He experiences Himself as a non-anxious presence in the world because He is so deeply connected with a Father who loves Him.”

“Unless I feel the love of God in my chest, it isn’t yet fully real to me...”

“We are the embodiment spread over the world…we are the gospel…we are so loved by God that He wants us to be His representative, we are His incarnate presence…”

Jesus to us – “I am no further away from you now than before you made the mistake.”

“You will see beauty as you create beauty as you become beauty because you are paying attention to me, who is never leaving.”

“God is not so self-conscious, so anxious that He won’t share Himself with us. He’s not worried that somehow, we’re going to do something, and He’s not gonna get credit.”

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Website: www.curtthompsonmd.com

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“How do we move toward each other in love, the truth of our authentic power? Perhaps, we welcome change instead of resisting it. To expand my worldview beyond the paradigm of Southern, Christian, rural, or working poor to a larger cosmic frame that is inclusive, universal, affirming, and accepting, I needed to see the parts and the whole in all their majestic splendor and their messy complexity.”

And: The Restorative Power Of Love In An Either Or World, in this podcast, Felicia shares the message of her book. Touching on issues of race, body, motherhood, church, and wonder, Felicia offers her soul, and it is a wise, deep, creative, and generous soul. The restorative power and uniting thread of love, union, empathy, dualism, good and evil, and The Tree of Life, this conversation is full of hope, grace, wisdom, and revelation.

QUOTES:

“I exist to exist. I exist to love. I exist to receive Love as a continuous experience in my heart, to live in it and give it away to others.”

“Sometimes love pursues and sometimes love pulls back…”

“Empathy fosters deep knowing…it is the gateway to deep knowing.”

“One this empathy allows is a deeper knowing beyond context.”

“All things considered, what is the most loving thing I can do right now.”

For more on Felicia Murrell
Website: www.beinghumanmag.com

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This podcast features Chapter Three of Jason Clark's recent book, Leaving and Finding Jesus. "We have been invited to trade a finite perspective with an infinite eternal life revelation—Christ in us, the hope of glory—and nothing separates us from His love! In John 17, Jesus prayed that we would know this union, this oneness, just as He and the Father were one. Further, He revealed there is no darkness light won’t penetrate, no brokenness that won’t be made whole, no road He won’t join us on, no soil the Seed won’t transform, no consequence of sin that His justice won’t restore—past, present, or future..." To purchase the book you can go to https://a.co/d/cmOtbzh For more on Jason Clark Website: www.afamilystory.org Please rate, review, share, and subscribe! Podcast intro and outro music by Wilde Assembly

Recorded in December of last year, Cory dives into our identity as saints and invites us to discover what God says and believes about us. The guys talk about restoration, transformation, grace, our Father's love, and living confidently in a relational understanding of God's love. Cory shares about his new book, What If I Told You. This book takes the reader on a 21-day journey to rediscover ourselves; grace, wholeness, being loved and union are the invitations of this book. Pastoring and counseling and practicing community, in this conversation they guys enjoy discussing how God is better than the last time they checked.

For more on Cory Rice
Website: www.saintsnotsinners.com

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“The Kingdom is the heart and the authority of God, from heaven, on earth, through us.”Rethinking Kingdom in the context of union, understanding the nature of the King, the penal substitutionary atonement heresy, a restorative understanding of the prophetic, how to receive or judge a prophetic word, holding on to what is good, dominion as opposed to domination, in this conversation Dubb Alexander gives insight into Jesus words, Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand…God’s kingdom is within.

Quotes

“God has heavenly solutions for every earthly problem.”

“If Jesus said that the Father is just like Him, how does that affect your theology?”

“You can either agree with the entirety of scripture or you can agree with Jesus, but you cannot agree with them both because they do not agree with each other.”

For more on Dubb AlexanderWebsite: www.schoolofkingdom.com

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“Friendship is born at that moment when one person says to another: ‘What, you too? I thought I was the only one.” C.S Lewis

From Romans Road to The Emmaus Road, Derek and Jason celebrate and revisit 2023 while dreaming dream into 2024. Two friends tell stories, reminisce, and wonder at the goodness of God. From reformation, restoration, reconciliation, righteousness, peace, and joy to community, kindness, and transformation, the guys share some of the ways they have been rethinking, particularly around a deeper understanding of friendship—friendship with Father, Son, and Holy Spirit and friendship with each other. Eventually, as always, the guys talked about Love, the heights, depths, lengths, and widths.

QUOTES

“It could be fun is how I’m entering this year.” Jason Clark

“What would Love do?” Derek Turner

“Love is the wisest friend; it is the Holy Spirit's voice.” Jason Clark

“When you begin to rethink the goodness of God (as Jesus revealed it), you can relax and love people well.” Derek Turner

“More el pastor in 2024.” Derek Turner

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For many, the message of Jesus Christ has not been associated with the overwhelming joy of living. The world is often filled with so much discouragement, depression, and striving just to be happy. In this conversation, Matt talks about his book "High on God," which presents an authentic solution in a radical approach to Jesus! The guys discuss an ecstatic joy discovered at His Cross that brings a sense of satisfaction and completeness, so we are actually able to live & love confidently. Church community, righteousness, peace, and joy, our mystical union, the presence of God, encounter, bliss, measureless favor, and a happy God; in this podcast, the fellas get down to the serious business of joy. QUOTES “In the Western Church, in some ways, we are afraid of spirituality.” “Cessationism isn’t based on an experience it’s based on something you haven’t experienced yet.” “God is happy. He is not against pleasure; He is the author of pleasure.” “Our view of Jesus is still too small.” For more on Matt Spinks Website: www.thefirehouseprojects.com Please rate, review, share, and subscribe! Podcast intro and outro music by Wilde Assembly

The Trinitarian, mystical, joy-filled, supernatural good news, the mass exodus from the Christian institutional experiment we call 'church,' what 'mission' looks like for us in the 21st century with a non-toxic gospel, and the supernatural reality of living in union with the Father, Son, and Spirit, in this conversation, Paul and the guys dive into inclusion, evangelism, the creative spirit, the prophetic, the flow of compassion, and the wonder of hope.

QUOTES

“Religious people talk about hell; spiritual people have been there.” Wm Paul Young

“The more we see him, the more we become like Him.”

“At its heart, our faith has a mystical and mysterious axis that can only be experienced and encountered, it can't be intellectualized. Even though there's value in intellectual pursuits, it's always secondary.”

“What happens when we take inclusion seriously?”

“I’m an evangelist at heart. I used to think I was bringing Jesus to people. Now I understand, actually, Jesus is already there…”

“If it’s not inexpressible glorious joy, you have a gospel problem.”

“The power of heaven is not based on control. The government of heaven is not based on law. And the warfare of heaven is not based on violence.”

For more on Paul Golf

Website: www.championsofhope.co.uk

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“For it logically follows that if God is all-good, all-knowing, and all-powerful, then God must also be all-saving.”

Often dismissed as a modern feel-good theology, Christian universalism is an ancient, orthodox, and biblical theology that was expounded by early Christians and early church fathers. Artman brings much-deserved attention to this wonderful spirituality.

In this conversation, David Artman shares that grace saves alone and goes to all. This inclusive approach to Christianity is variously called universal reconciliation, universal salvation, or perhaps most accurately, Christian universalism. David shares that the inclusive/Christian universalist approach is necessary because it offers the only Christian theology that successfully defends the goodness of God.

For more on David Artman
Website: www.davidartman.net

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Redefining deliverance, principalities and powers, strongholds and spiritual warfare, revival, intercession, prayer, worship, the prophetic, the fall, and sin, all in the context of union; in this conversation, Ryan and the guys talk about the unchangeable goodness and love of the Father, grace, union, purpose, and connection.

The guys discuss how, as we grow sure in love, and as we journey further into grace, we continue to find more expansive language for union.

Quotes

God speaking to Ryan as the Author and finisher of his faith, inviting him to rethink— “I am supposed to be the author of your faith, but there have been pages written in your heart that I didn’t author; things that you believe that I don’t believe…”

“Deliverance isn’t a battle with demons it’s a shifting of agreement.”“Spiritual warfare is all about truth and lies.”

“We confuse dominion with domination…dominion is governing solutions…”

“If you're not preaching hard about the finished work and the righteousness of God, then you've watered down the gospel.”

“God is good; Jesus is the model.”

For more on Ryan Pena
Website: www.theryanpena.com

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Union, the gospel according to John, the nature of delusion, everlasting mercy, early church fathers and mothers, the always good nature of God, a prophet in his hometown desperation, the wrath of God, hell, freedom, salvation, holiness, the Fatherhood of God before creation, the incarnation, a prophet in his home town, the cloud of witnesses, the all-inclusive vicarious humanity of Jesus, the good Shepherd, in this conversation Baxter reveals the gospel as very good news—Christ in you! Plus, crawfish tacos!

The learn more about Baxter go to:

www.perichoresis.org

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Do you resonate with aspects of Christianity but struggle with the coherence of its claims? After having a mystical experience that upended her traditional evangelical beliefs, Heather Hamilton reluctantly found herself in this place. Her seeking led to the most unexpected insights. In this conversation, Heather shares that story and introduces her book, Returning To Eden.

Love, trust, scripture, re-discovering Jesus, sacred moments, the hell of separation, and a God who is love and never leaves, in this conversation, Heather and the guys dive into a Faith that is no longer a white-knuckled grip on implausible beliefs, but a relaxation into a deep inner knowing.

“Wherever there is a culture of certainty, there is a culture of hypocrisy.” Jared Scholz Faith has its messy seasons of intense digging. Some will carelessly demolish the precious hope, like a child with a Tonka truck in the sandbox. Others will work like measured archaeologists to uncover the museum-worthy gem they’d hoped for. Following Jesus in real time, living responsive, rediscovering Jesus, an evolving and maturing faith, Love being our Cornerstone, the church, growing in trust, and humble leadership, in this conversation, the guys dive into Jared Scholz’s new book, Sandbox to Museum, a book that seeks to clarify the deconstruction landscape and help readers avoid the pitfalls of modern deconstruction. Please rate, review, share, and subscribe! For more on Jared Scholz Website: www.jaredscholz.com Facebook: www.facebook.com/jared.scholz.1

"Exquisitely etched, in a luring cadence, a daughter lost, a family fractured, fractioned, all in the lower case, not shouting at us, but hard to read. I had to stop and regain my composure. What is this terrible beauty? Not a theology but something softer, more delicate, unprotected, exposed. What is this? A moving poem, certainly, but also a prayer, a wounded word, a broken hallelujah, where a random hug, a hand held through the night, a shoulder touched, are the only amelioration, the only God worthy of our time, the only God there may be, the only way to keep the future open." John Caputo In this conversation, the guys discuss Jonathan's new book, indigo: the color of grief. This conversation invites the love of God into our loss, disappointment, and fragile trust.

This podcast features, Steve and Robin Smit. In October of 2022, the Lord asked Robin if she would put her own writing aside and build The Writer's Society. There is a tremendous need for a grace-based, author-empowering, Trinitarian, Christological-focused publishing company! Steve and Robin launched The Writers Society—TWS—and have been writing, editing, and publishing since. In this podcast, they share about the publishing company and a new book, "Free To Give." In a world where the act of giving is often burdened by expectations and legalistic constraints, “Free to Give” emerges as a guiding light of grace and liberation. If you’ve ever been shackled by the weight of ritualistic and obligatory giving or the oppressive thoughts of giving to meet performance standards, this book is your path to freedom. In this podcast they discuss “Free to Give,” and the twelve co-authors who extend a heartfelt invitation to experience the transformational power of giving in its purest and most unrestrained form. Drawing from a wellspring of wisdom and personal experiences, these co-voices offer the opportunity to discover the joy of giving without the constraints of obligation. For more on Steve & Robin Smit: www.thewriterssociety.online

Troy McLaughlin, host of This Undivided Life Podcast, and the guys talked about wholeness. Derek and Jason shared about their journeys and the inception of Rethinking God with Tacos. The guys talked about Jesus as perfect theology, de-reconstruction, an Emmaus Road Jesus, revelation, the resurrected Christ, the burning heart, waking up to wonder, a father’s love, the incarnation, our humanity, sufficient grace, a God who never leaves, and an undivided life.

For more on Troy McLaughlin & This Undivided Life PODCAST:
This Undivided Life: www.thisundividedlife.libsyn.com

“There is no retribution in the nature of God. Period. He is love plus nothing…” A throughline of trust, the cross and cruciform love, the Church & Eastern Orthodoxy, Deconstruction and liberation from false constructs, leaving and finding Jesus, reorientation, faith, communion, miracles, suffering, loss, and the infinite healing love of God, abandonment and a God who never leaves, a Christocentric hermeneutic, penal substitution, eternal conscious torment and the nature of repentance, in this conversation Brad and Jason dive into Brad's book, Out of the Embers: Faith After the Great Deconstruction.

Many people consider organized religion to be irrelevant today. ‘From its humble beginnings like a simple fishing boat carried by the wind, it sometimes seems that the church has morphed into a vast container ship, set on fixed courses, running on dirty fuel oil, very slow to turn around and encrusted with barnacles and weeds en route. Why not just abandon ship and simply relate to God ourselves, when and how we want to?’ In this conversation, David Hewitt and the guys discuss Church and deconstruction without throwing the baby out with the bathwater.’ David shares his story as a pastor as he rediscovers the ecclesia through a grace-orientated, Trinitarian lens.

“Did Christ accomplish a potentiality, or did Christ accomplish a reality?” Grace beyond theory, the road of union, discovering Christ in us and embedded in humanity, inclusion, the incarnation, experiencing God, and stories about church life and the journey of faith while searching for community; in this conversation with Logan Barone, the guys discuss the message of his book, The Mystery In You.

You can learn more about Logan at:www.loganbarone.com

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Sozo, wholeness, community, purpose, reimaging the goodness of God in the midst of church rejection and trauma, the language of encounter, leaving an angry God and shame and condemnation, belonging and the joy and hope of our union, healing, in this podcast, Brooke Waters, Liz Koepp, and the guys reimagine wholeness through heart-to-heart connection with a trustworthy God who has always looked like Jesus.

They also discuss the upcoming women's retreat being hosted by Path to Wholeness, Nov 6-9, 2023.

You can learn more and sign up here: www.pathtowholeness.org/wholeness-retreat

“The universe has a direction; it is moving toward greater meaning and beauty, it's an unfinished story, and the end has not been determined. You have been invited to author this specific chapter.” Andre Rabe is a storyteller, theologian, philosopher, author, and public speaker, and in this conversation, the guys talked about union, open and relational theology, inclusion, Christ within us, and how “all creation is incarnation.” For more on Andre go to: www.alwaysloved.net To join the Facebook Group: www.facebook.com/groups/godandtacos Please rate, review, share, and subscribe! Podcast intro and outro music by Wilde Assembly.

Derek and Jason highlighted the connections being made on the Rethinking God with Tacos Facebook Group.

The guys also discussed Derek's new book, Make Room, a 21-day journey through the Gospel of John. Derek wrote this devotional to help strengthen our trust in our God's unconditional love, melt fear from our hearts, and help us see ourselves through the eyes of our Father.

The conversation also touched on inerrancy and infallibility, seeing Jesus as the perfect theology, love being our guiding principle, worship songs that emphasize the finished work, and spiritual maturity.

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In this podcast, Derek Vreeland shared about his new book, Centering Jesus. The guys focused on the centrality of Jesus in spiritual formation, ethical lives, and community life. They discussed the importance of love, unity, and tapping into the imaginative side of faith. They also touched on the significance of the Bible and the image of Jesus as the ruling and reigning King. They concluded by emphasizing the importance of love and unity within the church as a witness to the world.

Shifting from Western theo-logic to Eastern theo-poetics thinking, vulnerability and transformation, Eneagram5, narcissistic pastors and healing, disrupting the institution, rethinking Job and “upgrading” faith, kayfabe, apokatastasis and a better gospel, interpreting The Prophets with restoration not damnation, and spiral dynamics, in this conversation John Chaffee and the guys dove into the restoration of all things.

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Face-to-face encounter, the Emanuel Approach to heart healing, the Celtic way of evangelism, mirror neurons, discipleship, transformation, belonging and becoming, renewing our minds, discovering the connection of all things, establishing identity, meditation and changing neural pathways; in this conversation, Melinda and Cathy talked about how to actually experience deep heart connection with God and each other.

“Forgiveness is an event and a process… Forgiveness came to me…”Christ, within you the hope of glory, the journey of union, discovering our identity, speaking to light within people, no us and them, no hierarchy in love, embracing mystery and asking questions, hope, forgiveness, authentic restoration, and the eternal nature of reconciliation, in this podcast the guys talk about their rethinking journey in the context of pastoring, and Mike shares his powerful story of healing and the journey of forgiveness and a hope that won’t disappoint.

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Theology and methodology, communal learning, asking questions and discussing false narratives, theodicy, rethinking atonement theories, the stages of faith - simplicity, complexity, perplexity, harmony (Brian McLaren), deconstruction, liturgy, the lectionary, spiral dynamics, and first-tier thinking, the stories we tell ourselves about ourselves, and letting God tell our story; in this podcast, Randall and the guys talk about a theology of love as revealed through the incarnation.

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“Nothing is wasted… God meets you where you are and gives you what you need at the moment you need it.” Emotional maturity, connection, inner healing, transparency, vulnerability, transformed lives, and above all, hope; in this podcast, Lakhi and Giovanna Dadlani share their 30-year journey to emotional and spiritual wholeness, true identity, and our Father's love. Their personal well-being journey ultimately culminates in the beautiful Hope4Life community in Miami.

www.hope4lifemiami.org

“Love is not only a powerful emotion, but a person.” Experiential knowing, discovering our identity, helping people encounter love, connection, union, intimacy with God, the value of our humanity, the mystery of maleness and femaleness represented in the Godhead, and apocatastasis; in this conversation, Catherine and the guys explore the perfection of God’s love both male and female and invite the listener to know Gods personal love for themselves.

For more on Catherine Toon
Website: www.catherinetoon.com
Facebook: www.facebook.com/CatherineToonMD
Instagram: www.instagram.com/catherinetoon

“Jesus is the dictionary in which we look up the meaning of words” – Eugene Peterson. A God with smile lines, loving our enemies, recognizing miracles, proactive love, finding God in the midst of story, living a better story, awakening to a better gospel, the power of please, sorry, thanks, the breath of God, hindsight bias, imaginative meditation, and fantastical storytelling, in this podcast, Mark Batterson, Joel Clark, and the guys talk about the love of God discovered in storytelling and share about their new book series, I Changed The World. This bible story adventure series is aimed at tweens ages 9-12. The first title, David, is available now. For more info on, I Changed The World Website: www.ichangedtheworldbooks.com Available on Amazon

The doctrine of inerrancy, a Christocentric hermeneutic, the multiple genres of literature within the bible, Jesus as perfect theology, intimacy, trust, and the goodness of God, overcoming evil, loving our enemies, a non-violent God, forgiveness, the American Church’s’ obsession with retribution, Christocentric pacifism, our interconnected-ness, justice; in this conversation, Jared Neusch and the guys dive into a Christ-Centered approach to life, faith, and Scripture.

“God here, I stand in you, God help me” Martin Luther.  The reality of our completion, a pure grace, objective truth (Jesus), experiential truth (how we live it out), union and the God of the promises, evangelism, the ministry of reconciliation, law and grace (never the less, Christ is preached), obedience, community and healing from church trauma, in this podcast, Dr. Matt Pandel and the guys discuss faith, trust, and tacos.

"Are You Letting God Love You Today?"

Abundant life, the goodness and the GODness of God, loss, suffering, and trust, grieving and grace, and more grace, healing, embracing the heights and depths of the human story, becoming like Jesus, poetry and faith —in this podcast, John Blasé and the guys have a vulnerable conversation about life and trust and the GODness of God. John shares about his friendships with Brennan Manning and Eugene Peterson and the impact they both had on him and our world today.

The true goal of parenting—safe, loving, heart-to-heart connection with our kids—in this podcast, Brittney Serpell shares about growing mature in our own identity as parents, modeling repenting and humility, finding courage to fight for family, recognizing fear, control, and punishment in our parenting, trading perfectionism for trust and always pursuing heart-to-heart connection as we guide our kids on their own learning journey to becoming healthy, confident, emotionally intelligent, and strong in character.

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Redefining success, living loved—from Jesus, laying our lives down for one another, awakening to a union, living from rest, the peace that surpasses understanding, human flourishing, and dignity as the leading edge of love; in this podcast, the guys dive into how dignity seeks to protect the image of God in a person. Dignity treats every human interaction as if it were eternal.

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“The greatest manifestations of justice will find their genesis in a grassroots love for all mankind. I have more hope in a trickle-up effect vs the hierarchal top-down pyramid paradigm.”

Justice, love, respect, our shared humanity, a discussion around Christian Zionism and the peace of Jerusalem, ETC, and a shift in hearts and minds around war and the inevitability of peace; in this conversation, the guys connected with Joe Chadburn around the finished work of Jesus and an inevitable peace on earth as it is in heaven.

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“God didn’t want me because of anything I could do for Him; He wanted me just because He loves me.” Paradigm shifts, intimacy, eternal life, practical applied theology, a sustaining energy of a more subtle kind, the connection of all things, quantum science, quantum faith, the supernatural, miracles, signs and wonders, and union; in this conversation, Steve dives into the scientific universal nature of the love of God.

“I am not a biblical universalist… but you might call me a quantum universalist…”

“I don’t believe in ultimate reconciliation; I believe in historic reconciliation. I believe everything and everybody has already been reconciled to God, and they just don’t know it. And conversion is a recognition of what's already true of you…

“Is the universe a friendly place, is God love — yes…

“This is eternal life, that they may know you…” John 17:3

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For more on Steve
Website: www.stevemcvey.com
Quantum Life: Amazon Book Link

“For too long the image and understanding of God, the One Jesus called “Abba”, has been hidden from view or distorted beyond recognition. The unspoken cry of sons and daughters all over the world is ‘Give us our Dad back!’”

A renewed mind, western wisdom vs. God’s wisdom, theology in relational terms, and above all, a Father who doesn’t just love us, He really likes us; in this conversation, Pete Scheller shares from his new book, Dancing with Wisdom. The guys dive deep into the Father nature of God and laugh along the way. You can learn more about Pete and his ministry as www.heartmindspirit.net

Hope, healing, intimacy, unconditional love, and acceptance; in this conversation, Rusty and Erin Pleune talk about the intentional steps they took to create a culture of connection in their marriage and how they now help couples do the same. They also dove into their journey of discovering community and deeper faith as they lean into the goodness of God.

You can learn more about Rusty & Erin & Making A Way at: www.makingawaymarriage.com

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God to Schlyce: “You never rebelled from me; you rebelled from a version of me that was never me…” Identity, the illusion of separation, trauma triggers and healing, how to hear the voice of God, experiencing the joy and wonder of continual fellowship with God; in this conversation, Schlyce Jimenez shares about her faith journey and her book, The Path. The Path helps readers discover how their life would be different if they could know the Father like Jesus did. You can learn more about Schlyce at www.schlyce.com

"The meaning of life is to find your gift, and the purpose of life is to give it away." - Pablo Picasso

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“I tell parents ‘You become the theology your kids believe” Engaging our kid's imaginations, learning to recognize God's voice, and encountering His love, life, joy, and friendship; in this conversation, Seth Dahl shares stories of transformation and gives insight into Spirit-led parenting. The guys talk about a good God and the journey into trust, intimacy, and union in the context of parenting. Learn more about Seth at www.spiritledfamilies.world

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“The reason you can't take your own human life seriously is because you’ve never taken my (Christ's) life seriously.” The incarnation, Jesus as fully human, Jesus and His divinity, grace, cruciform love, leaving Gnosticism, resurrection fearlessness, freedom, and salvation as a human story; in this conversation, Cherith shares a beautiful gospel in which we are discovering how to enter into the life of Jesus!

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"Consent is the depth of love..." Jonathan Foster shares about his book, Theology of Consent, where he blends René Girard’s scapegoating theory with open and relational theology. The guys talk about anthropology, mimetic theory, and the nature of love. This is a conversation for those already deep in the forest of theopoetics, life, love, the church, and theology.

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“The world is accelerating in the wrong direction. It feels like all we’re doing is trying to fix what's broken. And it isn’t working. We’re exhausted, overwhelmed, and losing heart. Where is God in all this? Well, he’s living a different story. A story he’s inviting us into.” That’s the back cover introduction to Allen's new book, The Eden Option. In this conversation, the guys dive in and explore a homeward journey, not to the Eden of the past, but a new Eden discovered in Christ. Union, rest, community, creativity, miracles, and hope, in this podcast Allen shares his journey into trust and maturing faith.

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“My mom exemplified this (The Tree of Life) further every time she invited the “black sheep” of the family to our family Christmas events. That was confusing to me as a child because in my mind, and in our culture, they were most certainly “Out,” yet that never deterred my mom from inviting them to our table.” Eden Jersak.

In this podcast, Pastor Eden shares about our heavenly Father's grace, love, kindness, and all-inclusive love. The cross, the journey of inclusion, reconciliation, pastoring, and valuing humanity as Jesus does, this conversation is between two relational human beings endeavoring to love well.

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Union, inclusion, sin, grace, sonship, the covenants, a very high view of Jesus and humanity, and biblical immortality, Tommy Miller shares about his new book, Deathless. Tommy is passionate about seeing the local Church equip sons to look like their Father and create atmospheres that look like heaven, and it’s evident in this revelatory conversation.

"Deathless" is a thought-provoking exploration of the concept of biblical immortality, and the guys have a brilliant conversation unpacking this thought.

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Lucifer and the devil, God, and control, union vs. separation, awakening to Light, Life, and Love, and approaching scripture through sonship; in this conversation, Bishop Jamie Englehart breaks down myths for truth and sheds light on many of our religious misconceptions that have been built upon separation.

Jamie’s understanding of the Kingdom of God, the New Covenant, and the heart of the Father is evident in every word he speaks.

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Perhaps no modern church dogma has been more destructive to the mission of Jesus, created more atheists, or generated more religious trauma than that of eternal conscious torment (ECT).

In this podcast, the guys talk with Thomas Jay Oord and Keith Giles about their collaboration on Chad Bahl’s book, Deconstructing Hell. The book brings together experts in their fields to take the reader on a historical, philosophical, and theological journey to deconstruct this harmful doctrine, and the podcast highlights Oord and Gile's contribution.

The guys dive into the "logic of love" and offer compelling pathways to reconstruct a biblical perspective on the nature of God and our understanding of hell.

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This podcast announces and features Jason’s new book, Leaving and Finding Jesus, in audio format. Retribution is the title of chapter seven and is presented in its entirety.

In this chapter and podcast, Jason juxtaposes retribution with reconciliation and recognizes that a punishment lens on the nature of God is one of the reasons the church is navigating broken trust. It’s also why we currently find ourselves in a Deconstruction Movement.

God is as Jesus revealed Him, and on a cross Jesus forgave. And on a cross, God, in Christ, reconciled the world to Himself.

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Pastoring a community, faith and living in mystery, putting unconditional love before understanding, kindness that leads to repentance, the nature of trust, punishment, hell, Bible College, the Age of Certainty, and timeless reconciling love - in this conversation, Shawn Harnish shares about his 25-plus years of pastoring in one area and the transforming discovery of the finished work of the cross. Add to that, 25-plus years of friendship with Jason and a mutual love of the Buffalo Bills, and you got a profound and fun conversation - Go Bills!

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“…You are absolutely perfect in the Father's eyes! You can't become more perfect than you already are. His heart is captivated by you!” Grace, resurrection, life, the finished work of the cross, and the impact on sin, death, and sickness, this conversation is an invitation to realize and awaken to the fact that we are co-seated with Christ. Robin speaks to the love of our Father, His affection – “He has always loved us we take His breath away!” We are loved in the same way our Father loved Jesus!

This conversation also included Robin's passion for writing and her new publishing venture, The Writers Society www.thewriterssociety.online

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“The Spirit said to me, ‘I want you to hand to me everything that you believe to be true about God and let me hand back to you everything that is true.’”

Racism, deconstruction, shame, guilt, certainty, empathy, infinite mercy, grace, healing, and other-centered, self-giving love, in this amazing conversation, Felecia and Jason visit fear and prejudice while leaning into the AND of God's always present, empathetic, reconciling love.

We don’t get to healing without Truth…(we) don’t get to healing in denial – so (we) have to own both the wound and (our) responsibility and completeness….”

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“It’s Christmas Eve, and instead of dreaming of the best day of the year, the boy is in his bedroom agonizing over the universal question: Does God…sorry, I mean Santa Claus, really exist?”

In this final podcast of 2022 and season three, Jason shares a story from his first book about the Polar Express, and faith. Whether you're tired or wide awake, full or empty, lost or found, sick or whole, you are loved by Triune God who walks beside you, will never leave you, and invites you to awaken to His affection and love. “Glory to God in the highest, and on earth, peace, and goodwill toward men!”

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

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“Biblically, sex is something that is mutual, intimate, and pleasurable for both…But in the church, we have made sex into a male entitlement, and a female obligation. And it’s really hurt us.” Sheila Gregoire.

In this conversation, the guys talked with Sheila and Keith about intimacy, sex, and God’s design for our marriages. Based on groundbreaking surveys of more than twenty-five thousand people, the Gregoires shared how our theology impacts our intimacy, the nature of our sex drives, porn addiction, and freedom, all for the purpose of helping husbands and wives discover intimacy and experience great sex! This is both an insightful and fun conversation.

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“Whether I’m high or low, in heaven or hell, nothing can ever separate me from God’s love.” Jason dives into a memoir he helped his friend, baseball legend, Jason Grimsley, write. They guys talk about Jason’s wild and unbelievable life. This conversation is part storytelling, part revelation, and all testimony of the love of God.

Jason shares about several hardships he’s faced, including a botched suicide attempt and the near destruction of his marriage. The guys shared insights and wisdom for the highs and lows of life. And all along the way, they highlighted the message of the book. Cross Stitched displays the very real and present love of God and the abundant life He offers us when we surrender to Him.

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The Kingdom within, relational intimacy, a triune God reconciling the world to Himself, faith like Abraham, hermeneutics, and an Emmaus Road Deconstruction, in this podcast, Jason talks with his friend Matthew Hester about his new book, Leaving and Finding Jesus. “Repenting is a de and reconstruction all in one,” and in this conversation, the fellas talk about an Emmaus Road walk with Jesus where He gently and definitively reveals the Cornerstone of faith, God in Christ, reconciling the world to Himself.

This was recorded for Matthews; The Kingdom Is For Everyone PODCAST. You can find more episodes from Matthew at:

Anchorfm/Thekingdom4everyone.com

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“I felt like the Jesus I knew deserved a better Christianity than the Christianity I knew.” In this podcast, Zahnd shares about the Christian faith in alignment with Jesus and the journey he’s taken in discovering this good news! De- and reconstruction, a non-violent, non-retributive God who is reconciling the world to Himself, hermeneutics, hell, and the wonder of church deep and wide, in this conversation, the guys discuss a much richer, wider faith. The guys dive into Brian’s book, "When Everything’s on Fire,” a conversation that invites us to move beyond the crisis of faith toward the journey of reconstruction.

QUOTES

“I was having a crisis of faith but not regarding Christ… I felt like the Jesus I knew deserved a better Christianity than the Christianity I knew.”

“Christians should never say that Christianity is the absolute truth, they should say Jesus is the Truth.”

“Jesus is the only perfect theology.”

“The Bible by itself cannot sustain the pressure that is put upon it… Often, in any fundamentalist form of Protestantism, the bible become Christianity… the Bible by itself cannot sustain the pressure that is put upon it…”

“What the Bible does perfectly, and inerrantly, is point us to Jesus.”

“All scripture finds its fulfillment in Christ.”

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This podcast highlights Jason’s book, Leaving and finding Jesus, where he writes about his deconstructing faith journey. The book is Jason’s Emmaus Road discovery of a love that is reconciling all creation; a journey where he’s awakening to a burning heart while leaving every Jesus who won’t lay His life down for His friends. 

This podcast features a message Jason gave at an icuTalks where he addresses trauma within the church. He confronts the myth of separation with the truth that absolutely nothing, not life or death, powers or authorities, not present or future, not our understandings, beliefs, systems, or actions, nothing separates us from the reconciling love of God.

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Derek and Jason dive into the fivefold (APEST) typology of ministry as articulated in Ephesians 4:1-1 with Brandon Kelly, the co-director at 5Qcollective. APEST stands for the Apostolic, Prophetic, Evangelistic, Shepherding, and Teaching intelligence that Jesus gifted to his body.

The guys discussed the fivefold in connection with the nature of God as non-hierarchal and inclusive, laced throughout creation and culture, reconstituted and perfectly exemplified in the life and ministry of Jesus, embedded into the very foundations of the Church, and subsequently expressed through the lives of the countless saints that make it up.

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“Eternal life is not on a timeline, it is the ever-present now" Wm Paul Young, author of The Shack, talks with Lloyd and Jason Clark about eternal life, an authentic friendship with our Father where we are free to live in the ever-present now. Union, peace, grace, expectancy, trust, facing our fear, the incarnation, death, writing for the one, and stories about Pauls's friends on death row and the Shack movie, this is an authentic and vulnerable conversation.

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“The natural habitat is to be enveloped in the love of God.”

The thread through all Winn Collier's work is delight in the God who exists as the blazing center of everything that is good, beautiful, and true; and you feel that in this conversation. In this podcast, Winn and Jason talk about God's hope and heart for all creation to know we belong to one another. The guys dive into wholeness, cruciform love, and what it means to be fully human.

Then Winn talks about his friendship with Eugene Peterson, writer of The Message Translation. Winn shares about the biography he recently released on Eugene's incredible life, A Burning In My Bones, and on their shared heart for pastors and the church!

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“Faith is a seed that is to be planted firmly in the love of God." Atheism, politics, nationalism, identity, punishment, hell, evangelism, and the church, in this conversation Derek and Jason, dive into a faith that is not transactional and always relational. The guys talk about how it’s the power of kindness to change the world. This is a generous conversation between two friends who are becoming sure that God is like Jesus and always has been; two fellas rethinking what it means to be a friend of God.

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Leif Hetland’s profound and powerful personal testimonies bring to light what it means to be transformed by God’s love. Leif has been recognized as an ambassador of the Father’s love—an everyday person who has received divine opportunities to bring God’s light into some of the darkest places on earth.

In this conversation Leif, Mark Appleyard 7 Jason dive into Leif’s new book, The Love Awakening. Through personal stories, the guys discuss the powerful, supernatural Baptism of Love that breaks off shame, affirms identity, and reveals the unconditional love of the Father. This is a life-giving conversation around union, evangelism, and the miraculous.

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The human soul has a built-in yearning for joy and beauty and all good things. But that craving for life has taken a real beating in recent years. Between false promises of ease and comfort on one side and the sheer trauma of global disease and disasters on the other, people today are facing a shortage of peace, happiness, and strength. 

In this conversation, John and Jason dive into John's new book, Resilient. The guys talk about life and faith during and since the pandemic. They dive into the evidence of trauma, how to discover peace in the midst of disappointment, the dark night of the soul, de- and reconstruction, and ultimately union. This conversation reveals a path toward genuine recovery and resilience provided by Jesus himself.

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Justin Stumvoll is a speaker, teacher, and life consultant who knows the kindness of God and loves to create space for individuals to find healing so they can be their most authentic selves Just dives into Love being the key to helping folks walk through the gritty, vulnerable and real approach to transformation. This was a fast-paced conversation where the guy’s traded stories about the reconciling nature of God; they talked about punishment, self-judgment, reconciliation, justice, sin, grace, freedom from addiction, and more. This podcast is bursting with the kindness of God that transforms the world.

QUOTES

“The thing that is completely different with Jesus (as opposed to) any other religious system is that there is no hierarchy.”

“We are tormented by our disconnection to love that causes us to believe that  “I am abandoned.”

“You are more than the amalgamation of the messes you’ve made.”

“People are terrified of forgiveness because it strips them of control…under a law-based system I can control the love of God… this removes relationship and trust…

“There’s no such thing as an atheist, there are just people that really question religion.”

 “When I look at an individual, I (am able to) have grace for their messes, (because) I don’t see a 40-year-old, I see a five-year-old…”

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John Crowder pulls from the different streams of the church to talk about Christilogical Trinitarian theology, grace, union, contemplative practice, intimacy, and mystical Christianity. John and Jason dive into the Cross, Western atonement theories, and the religious industry built upon separation; how Jesus is healing the human race. John describes a relationship with a person, Christ. He invites us to embrace mystery so we might discover that God looks like Jesus.

QUOTES

“People are grabbing the Trinitarian Father, this gospel message…”

“I saw the connection between the church mystics and post-Azusa Street Pentecostalism, it was the presence orientation that connected these streams.”

“We’ve pulled from a lot of different streams; I could see baby Jesus in the bathwater.”

“I think there is a merger happening that we got to get a hold of, a Christological, Trinitarian theology that is contemplative in its experience and employment.”

“The biggest problem in the church is separation thinking, between you and Jesus, and between Jesus and His Father”

“This idea that the Father is turning his back on the Son, that Jesus is the whipping boy for the Father's wrath, this is preached as the gospel, an atonement theory, a twisted one at that, being preached as the gospel in the western church. These atonement theories are demonic in nature. (And) There’s almost no grid for what the cross means outside that…”

“What did not happen on the cross, which is a complete fabrication, a demonic fairy tale, the Trinity was not imploding on Itself…Jesus was healing the human race…”

“There have always been pluralities in the Godhead and He has always desired family”

“Religion builds an industry on the concept of separation.”

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This conversation with Jason Clark was hosted by Brent Lokker on his youtube channel Vibrant Life. This podcast begins with two dads sharing stories about helping their children encounter God as a loving Father. The guys dive into obedience in the context of union and friendship, learning to trust the unchanging nature of our Father, not as retributive, punishing, or abandoning, but as the tenderhearted one who accepts us, loves us, and is always good!

They discussed what it looks like to live as God's friend, not as a servant. Why Jesus cried out on the cross, "My God, my God, why have your forsaken me?" Knowing and trusting the Father who was in Christ reconciling the world to himself. Dreaming with a good Father. The positive side of the deconstruction movement. Reconstructing our lives on the cornerstone of the real Jesus.

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Karen Swallow Prior is a Reader, Writer, and Professor in that order, which was discussed in this conversation along with the power of language, the Word becoming flesh, the connection of imagination with logic and reason, empathy, trauma, the theodicy of Mary Shelley's Frankenstein, and love being the center of our conversations. Karen also shares about getting hit by a literal bus and how she grew in her understanding that her life is in God’s hands.

QUOTES

“We express our sense of ourselves and our experience through language and even before we express it, we understand it that way.”

“Language helps us interpret our experiences…what stories we tell ourselves or what we tell other people about what happened to us. It's an interpretive frame for the rest of our lives.”

Regarding the Word became flesh: “To think about words as symbols and even that idea is also a metaphor but also literal… I can’t even understand it on a literal level but the possibilities and the implications are endless and it should shape everything that we think and we do.”

“What I’m trying to understand better about God… is how we relate to God through the church and in the church that is so imperfect and fallen…”

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Scott Crowder is a pastor, singer-songwriter, and one of Jason’s closest friends. The guys dive into their love for the church, about learning how to be present with God, ourselves, each other, and our community. Scott talks about creating church cultures that practice the fruits of the Spirit, learning to lead ourselves and others in seasons of joy and sorrow, that “success” isn’t about numbers, cool fads, or being 'front runners,' it’s discovered in community.

QUOTES

“'Success,’ in a word is, ‘presence.’ I don’t mean that in the school of ‘the glory cloud came.’ I mean, I can be present to you, as you are present to me, as we are present to this moment, as we can be present to where we live, and we are not stuck in a dream of an ideal community that we never can become.”

“When you’re present, you’re present to pain. When you’re present as a servant, as a leader, you’re present when you can do nothing for that person or they can do nothing for you.”

“How many faithful people did we (the church) overlook…faithful movements did we overlook because they didn’t bear the fruit that we thought kingdom-building looked like. They didn’t promote themselves (but) they’ve been here the whole time.”

“I am a witness or witnesses, I’m part of the church at large, whether I want to be or not. So, I’m learning to value those voices and people who have gone before me.”

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Thomas Jay Oord shares about open relational theology; how it connects with the way we live and matches our deepest intuitions. The guys talked about a relational God who is genuinely loving, looks like Jesus, and walks through each day with us, impacting and impacted by our friendship.

Thomas describes an uncontrolling, loving God, that harmonizes with scripture. In this podcast, he dives into the subjects of hell, prayer, and evangelism all through the lens of open relational theology.

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Daniel Grothe and the guys discuss his new book, The Power of Place, which speaks to the sense of loneliness that many feel in today's age of hypermobility and noncommittal wandering, reminding us of the ancient vow of stability and teaching us how we can lead a richer life of friendship, community, and purpose.

They also touch on the deconstruction movement within the church, how authoritarian leadership has wounded and undermined trust, and how healing and connection are available only where we practice the long game of family.

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The goodness of God but hell, atonement but hell, reformation but hell, scripture but hell, Calvinism but hell; in this podcast Peter Hiett describes hell as “Satan's big but.”

In this conversation Peter walks us through the story of our own creation, the goodness of God’s reconciling love, the relational kindness of a God who encounters, sets free and transforms.

Peter describes a God who delights in His creation, a God destroys what is evil, creates what is good, and invites us to observe our own creation in Christ Jesus.

QUOTES

Regarding relentless love and hell “At that point I was simply saying I want to hope this is true. And they said, “you can hope it, but you can’t believe it’s possible.”

“Knowledge of evil is believing I have to justify myself.”

“It's really not very complicated at all. If you take out the middle point of (Calvinism’s) limited atonement, you're left with a beautiful picture of this God who is raising his children and creating them in His image and He does it through His atonement and His atonement won't fail…” 

“When you announce good news, you don’t say, “Now this is what you need to do about it, you just tell people, and the news changes folks.”

"But if you’re a part of the institution, you want people to give to the budget, you want them to go on the church retreat, you want them to come help pull weeds in the garden. So, you’re always tempted to say, “believe this or…something.” Well, hell is a huge “or something.”

“The good news, the Word, it carries the power within itself, you don’t need to con anyone into obedience.”

“His goodness is beyond anything we’ve understood.”

"Regarding Romans 5 “As in Adam all die, so in Christ, all will be made alive, and it’s the best most beautiful news.”

“That sloppy universalism that just says ‘Oh God feels great about everybody and it doesn’t matter what you do.” It leaves everybody feeling empty because we all know something is really wrong with humanity and really wrong with me and my neighbor. I think scripture reveals that, yeah, were half made, were not finished yet. God is gonna destroy what is evil and create what’s good and you’re observing your own creation in Christ Jesus. And in the end, absolutely everything is a gift of your Father and you can’t even begin to comprehend how much He delights in you.”

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How to experience God, confession, faith, fear, freedom, our true identity, and cruciform, others-focused, self-emptying, unconditional love barely scratches the surface of this packed conversation on the goodness of God. Jamie and Donna Winship share how we can discover our true identity through a relationship with God and each other.

QUOTES

“So, we lose the great commandment and pick up the great commission, we’re exchanging love for conflict.” Jamie

“Most people aren’t even aware that they are living separate from who they really are.” Donna

“Your true identity is the essence of who you are at your core and it’s something to be discovered through your lifetime and worked out in relationship. You cannot set apart your identity from relationship with God and relationship with other people.” Donna

“I think it’s important to note that your identity is not your gender, not your sexual preference, not your job, not your political party, not your religion…” Donna

“You can study business ethics all day long but if you’re in a scarcity model its always gonna come up to not enough.” Jamie

“You’re in a world that’s every day says “there’s not enough.” It’s the lie that we live in. But there is an alternative world view.” Jamie

“You can’t intellectually have faith. Faith comes from experience and experiential relationship.” Donna

“All identities we discover about ourselves are identities of Jesus in one form or another.” Donna

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Union, a Triune God, mutual indwelling others-centered love (perichoresis) approaching scripture to discover Jesus, and communion are some of the themes Rod Williams dives into. What if “all” means "all" and God isn’t distant? There is no distance, no separation in God and this conversation is a beautiful invitation to awaken to that discovery and our union with Him.

QUOTES

"To build the kingdom of God you need a clear picture of Jesus that you communicate in love."

"If you’re believing in a little stick figure Jesus that you walk on to get to the real God, you're not believing in the real Jesus, you're believing in something we manufactured to build our empires."

"Still, today you'll hear people say ‘Well God is love but God is fear,’ which comes from our Greek dualism… the reality is God is not two conflicting things. We invented conflict, God is not in conflict.”

"No one comes to the Father but by me. We make that an exclusive statement but it's not, He’s saying 'I am here,' and this is why you can come to the Father."

“Here’s the deal, we can have a Father who can’t be in the presence of sin, or we can have Jesus be God, but we can’t have both.”

“Beholding is more important than explaining most of the time.”

"He does nothing as a judge he wouldn’t do as a father,” George McDonald

"God bless some of the movements we’ve been a part of because they talked about the Father Heart of God. But they didn’t go back and fix their theology."

“We can’t talk about union as a kinder gentler Arianism or a slightly more practical Gnosticism, we have to look at it as, 'This is LIFE.'”

“So many of the race problems and identity politics and all that stuff will just fade away as we begin to see we all have the same origin.”

“We were made to have ecstatic experiences in the mystical union with God.”

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Co-Author of A Church Called TOV, Scot McKnight talks about his new book written in response to the abuses of power, sexual abuse, and spiritual abuse within the leadership of Willow Creek, Harvest, and sadly churches of all shapes and sizes.

We talked about TOV (which means goodness) and how when we practice empathy, compassion, extending grace, putting people first, telling the truth, promoting justice, and serving others, TOV emerges in the culture and we all become more Christlike.

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Matt Chandler, pastor, and writer, recently used the phrase “a sexy fad” when describing the deconstruction movement. Derek and Jason highlight his statement to dive into the nature of their own de/ and reconstruction. They have become even more convinced that God is in the restoration business.

This podcast dives into sin, grace, reconciliation, and God's love for all His kids, the church deep and wide. Ultimately, the guys kick off season three embracing Rom 8:38-29 “For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.”

God’s sovereignty revealed by Jesus through cruciform, self-giving love, the nature of trust, intimacy, and union, and the transforming truth that there is no shadow of turning with God, in this podcast the guys explore Jason’s upcoming book, Leaving (& finding) Jesus.

This conversation juxtaposes an inclusive, reconciling, self-giving, unconditional view of God's love against an excluding, hierarchal, punishment-focused, conditional view of God's love. 

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Bruxy Cavey, author, and pastor of The Meeting House, dives into relational faith, loving God through loving our neighbor, repenting with a hopeful future focus, how doubt is connected to our faith, how we are not people of the book (bible) we are people of the person (Jesus), and three perspectives on hell concluding with the fact that the New Testament church never leveraged hell to get people to make a decision for Jesus.

Naeem Fazal, founding pastor of Mosaic Church, and author of Ex-Muslim, talks about deconstruction or reimaging God. Naeem talks about the importance of being able to recognize God outside of our personal context, how to view sin, how to approach scripture, and a beautiful gospel that’s not just about a Jesus who saves but about a Jesus who is restoring humanity and all creation.

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Paraphrasing the sermons of George MacDonald, Dale Howie shares his sometimes painful, often beautiful, journey of awakening to the irreducible truth of life discovered in relationship. He speaks to grace, our common Fatherhood, our inclusion in Christ’s life, death and resurrection, our union, and the wonder of our humanity. A humble storyteller and relational theologian, Dale speaks as a father on behalf of Our Father, who loves all His children with a reconciling love.

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Intimacy within marriage, the connection between intimacy and mutuality, the nature of trust, the definition of sex, addressing transactional vs relational thinking, dismantling obligation, addressing objectification and broken ideologies developed from Eph 5:22, “Wives submit to your husbands…” Sheila Gregoire practically rethinks sex so husbands and wives can experience intimacy, joy, and deeper connection.

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“Christian faith, for me, is no longer a static location but a great spiritual journey…what matters most…is not where we are but where we’re going." This podcast is a gentle invitation to discover a way of faith defined by love.

Brian and Jason discuss navigating rejection, stepping away from literalism, and inerrancy in our approach to scripture and faith, and their personal journey of trusting that God is better than our best thoughts about Him.

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An infinite love, the nature of revelation, a kindness that changes our minds, the joy of our salvation discovered as we awaken to the resurrection, the risen Christ within us, in this podcast Derek and Jason discuss how all creation is awakening to the transforming certainty of sacrificial love and resurrection life.

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Patriarchy, authoritarian rule, the nature of power and privilege in America and the Church, the deconstruction movement, Christians in politics; in this podcast, Professor and Historian Kristin Du Mez, examines the impact of perhaps the most influential subculture in this country, white evangelicalism. This conversation explores how evangelicals have stepped away from the Jesus of the Gospels, from sacrificial love. “But what was once done, can be undone.”

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“The bible, minus love, equals false teaching, false living, and fosters an anger in the soul of man.” Brian Simmons, author of The Passion Translation, talks about approaching scripture with a love theology, the oppressive impact of hyper literalism, women in ministry, equality, union, Jesus’ humanity inside the Trinity, the finished work of the cross, and the passionate, powerful, transforming love of God.

QUOTES

“Pauline theology will get perverted if you don’t start at the song of songs. I’m convinced that Paul got most of his doctrinal teachings from encounters with the Lord and from an open bible with Song of Songs.”

“It’s just error to hyper literalize the song of songs, it’s a beautiful symphony of love… it’s a book that literally starts with a kiss”

“We have forgotten that Jesus Christ is a human being, that inside the Trinity is a man…and this human nature of Jesus is mingled with the divine…”

“A human being can be moved with feelings and passions… Jesus is every bit a man, inside the trinity. The universe is ruled by the passions of a man.”  

“How we hear is every bit as important as what we are reading.”

“This love theology is the key to the great harvest of the nations.”

“God has to love you to be God. It’s almost like He wouldn’t be God if He didn’t love you intensely, powerfully.”

“To dishonor women and to say they can’t minister…goes counter to the heart of God.”

“You said earlier you’re a relational theologian, that’s exactly how we need to interpret scripture.”

“You literally have to have a love lens on your heart to read scripture, then you’ll read it the way God has written it for us.”

“The bible, minus love, equals false teaching, false living, and fosters an anger in the soul of man.”

“He that is joined to the Lord is one spirit (1 Cor 6:17), so the union is complete. When He said it’s finished it's not only the work of the cross but it’s the perfected union that He has given us.”

“Nothing can separate us, not things present or things future, He doesn’t even mention the past because we don’t have a past. Our past ended with three nails; we only have a destiny, not a history.”

Trauma, pain, empathy like Jesus, and healing for the oppressed, misunderstood, lost, or broken; in this podcast David Tensen shares how we are loved and not alone. Addressing how shame and condemnation are compounded by religion, the guys talked specifically about abortion and the LGBTQ community with an invitation to love like Jesus, through our union with God and reconciliation.

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Healing, miracles, the power of God, evangelism through the gospel of inclusion, faith, and reframing repentance, Carlos shares about his journey of discovering that the miraculous, or a transformed life, is simply about discovering God’s love and our origin and union in Him. This conversation parallels and features the content from Carlos’ first book, Roar, Walking in God’s Power without Apology.

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“The two greatest myths that we, as humans, believe, are the myth of separation and the myth of scarcity.”

Grace, empathy, spiritual maturity, identity, destiny, purpose, and a sense of our eternal significance and worth; in this podcast, Randall Worley dives headlong into the measureless transforming and reconciling mystery of the love of God.

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Sarah Turner and Karen Clark take the hosting reins to share their de/reconstructing faith journey and how, primarily through parenting, they began to rethink who God is and their approach to scripture, church, and ministry.

From Harry Potter and the college years to church life - the good, the bad, and the ugly, they talk about how parenting for connection and living an honest relationship with a loving God, is the most transformative thing we can do in our lives, our kids lives, and in ministry.

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The Bible uses the word, Christian, to describe followers of Jesus a grand total of three times. But there's another identifier that fills the pages of the New Testament--a word we've mistakenly reserved for the halo-wearing elite, losing something profound in the process. Saints.

Identity, union, searching scripture through the lens of Jesus, and holiness discovered through community, Addison brilliantly reveals that we are beloved saints.

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He came and he walked beside us, He said, “I will never leave you, I will never forsake you; you are not alone, you belong.” When we discover this love, we are transformed and we begin to love as He does.

On Palm Sunday Derek speaks about the cross and how we are invited to live surrendered and sure in love. He talks about laying down our lives, loving our enemies, and seeing the kingdom come.

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What if control is a flawed word to describe God’s sovereignty? What if there is an infinitely better word, a greater revelation, LOVE! Through a fresh look at God’s sovereignty, Jason invites you into a transforming encounter with the love and goodness of our heavenly Father.

This is part 2 of Sovereign Love, a six-session teaching series by Jason Clark based on his book, God Is (Not) In Control. Book and teaching series are available at www.afamilystory.org

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Navigating through loss with a good God, experiencing the presence of God as a loving Father, loving our neighbor, democrat and republican, and love answering every question that aches in the heart of humanity, Doug Crew shares on these subjects and more with insight and grace. Doug is the executive leader of Shiloh Place Ministries and a good friend of the podcast.

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Mystery, faith, salvation and awaking to Christ’s likeness within us, adoption and sonship, being in the family, discovering the Word in scripture, and living from union, we discuss this and more with Matthew Hester in a passionate conversation around the love of God. Matthew is an author, pastor of Dominion Church (Greer SC), and founder of Hester Ministries and Present Truth Academy.

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Harold and Linda Eberle share about the catalytic love of God that is transforming our western understanding of the church. They speak on victorious mindsets, kingdom thinking, the myth of separation, reconciliation through the death of Jesus, and salvation through his life; plus old elephants! This is a power-packed interview full of profound insight.

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Brilliant, compassionate, and empowering, world-renowned neuroscientist and best-selling author, Dr. Caroline Leaf, talks about her new book, Cleaning Up Your Mental Mess. She addresses what happens when we don’t use our minds properly. Why mind-management is the solution to cleaning up our mental mess and how the science can help us transition from being aware of toxic thoughts to catching and managing them. In other words, she teaches us how to renew our minds.

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Salvation, justice, equality, the bible, and the unconditional transformative always good Love of God; in this insightful interview, Kathryn talks about her spiritual deconstruction and the journey of rethinking God. She brilliantly addresses the sin of certainty, newfound feminism, and a Love that casts out all fear.

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What if God’s love, perfectly revealed through the cross, restores all things? What if the world is already reconciled in Christ and we are simply awakening to that gospel? What if Christ is our message and we preach to awaken hearts?

Derek and Jason dive into our union in Christ and how that impacts everything from knowing our identity to loving our “enemies,” to evangelism, to navigating cross moments in our lives.

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Shame is a belief that ‘I’m not good enough.’ You can’t manufacture it on your own – someone else has to give it to you. In this podcast, Physiotherapist Kim Honeycutt addresses, shame, blame the trauma of rejection. She brilliantly highlights our intrinsic worth, our identity in Christ, and the journey from rejection to acceptance.

“So much of our surrender to the Lord is (about) unlearning what key people in our lives taught us."

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"The gospel is not an invitation to accept Jesus into our hearts, it’s a proclamation that Jesus has already accepted us into His heart." As a kind father, Don Keathley generously talks on the goodness of God, Jesus as perfect theology, our union, grace, our identity, how to approach scripture, and the lie of eternal conscious torment.

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God creates order from disorder and we have been invited to co-create with Him. In the midst of chaos, “we associate peace with answers. God associates peace with Union.” In this conversation with Allen Arnold, author of Chaos Can’t, we discuss how we create around us from what is in us; that creating with God brings order and trueness to our lives, systems, and cultures that have become untrue and disordered.

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In this podcast, Lloyd Clark, Jason’s dad, talks about his faith journey from behavior-focused religious striving into grace and the love of our Father; about waking up every morning in the revelation of being enough. With humor and authenticity, Lloyd talks about the finished work of the Cross, how Jesus fixed the problem of separation, and our invitation to awaken to our union.

“The whole sin conscious mindset has you waking up every morning ‘not enough.”’

“The call of God is, “Receive my Son” Derek Turner

“Everything we did and everything we built was out of insecurity because we didn’t know we were enough.”

“God never came to me with shame”

“When you’re not enough, everything you do is tainted with insecurity.”

“I know exactly what you’re going through, I know the pain. I have felt that betrayal.”

“If a kid can’t get it, it’s not the gospel.”

“Jesus fixed the problem of separation.”

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Thomas Jay Oord's book, God Can’t, rethinks God’s power as a means of explaining evil.

"Given that we start with God's power…we end up giving God the kind of capabilities that make God culpable, in other words, morally responsible for not only causing but allowing bad things…I think there are good biblical reasons to object to that standard view of Gods power."

In this podcast, we talk about how God's power, his sovereignty, is best understood through the uncontrolling love of God.

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Separation theology has been woven into nearly every teaching we have in the church. It's in how we approach scripture, personal devotion, how to approach relationship, leadership, pastoring, prophecy, evangelism… on and on the heresy of separation is the "leaven in the dough" of our faith. The delusion that God abandons his creation is a foundational lie that must be dug up.

In this first episode of season two, Jason and new host Derek Turner dive into the wonder of what Jesus revealed about our Father and humanity through the cross and resurrection.

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“If you can define it, you automatically have confined it as well.”

Randall Worley talks about having a “beginner’s mind,” faith while embracing mystery, pioneering and the nature of heresy, the limits of language, approaching scripture through love, and the importance of remaining curious while understanding that God is not insecure or defensive when we raise hard questions.

“If we are afraid of the answers we will never ask the hard questions.”

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You love me, but you don’t know who I am. Those are the words God spoke to Michael several years ago and it led him on a journey into measureless love, grace, and union with an always good, never leaving, no distance or separation, Triune God. With grace and joy the conversation dove into the two greatest lies on the planet, Penal Substitution and Eternal Conscious Torment.

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In this podcast, Katie Skurja talks about discovering our humanity in the image of God, shame and behavior, grace and identity, paradox and spiritual and emotional maturity, freedom, and intrinsic authority.

Katie runs a private practice in North Plains, Oregon, has a Masters in Marriage and Family Therapy as well as a Masters of Spiritual Direction. She speaks with grace and great authority, we absolutely loved this conversation!

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Eric Johnson, the senior pastor of Bethel Church in Redding CA, shares generously, humbly and with great insight on the goodness of God, navigating culture, Jesus and American politics, spiritual maturity, emotional health, and what it means to be alive. 

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Therapists Amy Simmons and Krispin Mayfield discuss attachment theory and how it intersects with our spirituality and plays out in our church culture.

The parent-child relationship and our formative years greatly influence how we navigate everything, including our spirituality and faith. Often our theological deconstructions are the fruit of discovering a God with whom we feel loved, secure, and safe; where we move from insecure to secure attachment.

Amy Simmons and Krispin Mayfield host the Attached To The Invisible PODCAST

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Risk, trust, pioneering and a church built upon encounters with the transformative love of God, this podcast is an invitation to rethinking church.

From the traditional to a micro church model, Mark and Julie share their journey of pastoring.

Today, through Anothen Micro Church, they empower believers around the world to become influential spiritual leaders in their homes and communities.

For more on Anothen go to www.anothen.co

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This is a laughter-filled conversation about a kind God and a transformative faith.

We all have friends who walk with us and encourage and challenge us. Those people who we call when we get a revelation or breakthrough, Jarred Teague is that guy for Thomas.

Jarred grew up Baptist with loving parents. But much of his thoughts about his faith were filtered through a retributive God lens. So Jarred was faced with the intellectual disparity of a good God who would send people to hell to prove His love.

But years ago, Jarred walked away from that fractured faith and discovered the simple gospel, God is like Jesus. This has led to great freedom, transformation, and the realization that when the gospel is the love of God we can change the world.

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Approaching scripture, prayer, and our participation in the divine life, Father Kenneth Tanner explores a faith that is beautiful in its simplicity; God really loves humanity.

Kenneth talks about a wonderfully multifaceted church. He address how to approach scripture through community with both the contemporary and historic church. “It’s an experiential relationship with the church that reveals the whole picture of Jesus and how we should read scripture.” Kenneth speaks to prayer, again approaching the subject through community, and finally, he speaks to our divinity in Christ.

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Scandalous multifaceted fathomless grace, restorative justice, redeemed identity, our union with Abba Father, and intimacy with a Triune God barely scratches the surface of this 40-minute power-packed interview with Dr. Steve McVey.

For more on Dr. Steve McVey go to www.gracewalk.org

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Mark speaks on the disorienting faith shift so many are currently experiencing regarding their thoughts about God, the church, and ourselves.

With grace and insight, Mark addresses the PTSD symptoms of those who have been de-churched; “…those who wanted community and got judgment, who wanted to affect the life of the church and got bureaucracy, who wanted conversation and got doctrine, who wanted meaningful engagement with the world and got moral prescription. ”

This Podcast encourages those who have experienced some form of a shift in their theology and then have either felt a sense of not belonging in their home church or have even been rejected.

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“This is eternal life… “ That is how John 17 starts. It is the only place in all of scripture where you’ll even get close to a direct definition of what eternal life is. And Jesus defines eternal as a relationship. My entire education had defined eternal life as believing the right ideology… All I knew was, God was better than I thought he was and there was no way I’m going back…”

In this Podcast, John MacMurray shares with humor, ease, and insight into the nature of our Triune God’s love and faithful pursuit of humanity.

Quotes”

“If God is doing his best for man all the time it just changes the landscape of how I look at life and humanity, it changes everything.”

“The Father, Son, and Spirit say, ‘well, he won’t get his nose out of John so maybe we should meet him there. The way God loves us is, if you won’t get our nose out of playboy, then He’ll meet you here…’”

“When does punishment reconcile anything? It literally has no power to reconcile.”

“The theology I followed was leading me to a God that was a monster.”

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A month ago we invited you to ask questions, you did. This podcast was our response to a handful of those questions…

In this episode, Thomas and Jason discussed their faith journeys while responding to questions regarding Judas and hell, how to navigate push back from those who think differently, how to pray without ceasing and without desperation, and finally, what core thoughts about God have we changed in the last ten years.

Both highlighted how they have moved from a punishment focused faith to a restorative focused faith. Both noted how a restorative God changes the way they interact with those who disagree and how it has affected their prayer lives. They discussed a faith in God's goodness that empowers us to navigate disappointment and highlighted the difference between empathy and compassion.

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Parenting, leadership, freedom through self-control, spiritual maturity, emotional health, the nature of our Father, and heaven and hell, Danny’s thoughts and gracious communication are empowering and transformative. It was an honor to discuss the unpunishing nature of God with Danny!

For more on Danny Silk
www.lovingonpurpose.com

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Brent Lokker talks about a personal God, a Father who wants a relationship above all of us.  Identity, how to approach scripture to encounter God, how to discover freedom from sin, brain science, and early childhood trauma, this podcast is an invitation into wholeness.

“Wholeness isn’t loving God with all our hearts, its loving God with a whole heart. That’s the great command. To be whole and love in wholeness."

Brent Lokker is the pastor of Blazing Fire Church and author of Always Loved.
You can learn more about him at www.brentlokkerministries.com

The Bible cannot be the foundation we build upon, the foundation is Jesus. Brian Zahnd talks on how to approach scripture, American Nationalism, Trump's Bible photo Op during the George Floyd protests, equality, and contemplative prayer in this brilliant and transformative Podcast.

For more on Brian Zahnd
www.brianzahnd.com

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In part 2 Baxter continues to reveal how there is no separation in the Triune God and there is no separation between us.

“The good Shepherd is good and He doesn’t do abonnement because His Father doesn’t do abandonment and neither does Holy Spirit."

Jesus has stepped into our darkness or delusion to reveal Himself. And Baxter unpacks several scriptures in John around our inclusion. Jesus prayed that we would know our union just as He knew and revealed.

Baxter also breaks down two thoughts expressed by George MacDonald’s writings

“Good souls many will one day be horrified at the things they think of God.” “God is not bound to punish sin, God is bound to destroy it.”

And of course we discuss tacos.

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Baxter talks about the “growing despair of good people,” a church that’s been raised on separation awakening to our union, Christ in us, the hope of glory.

“Jesus has pitched His tent in our flesh… If I didn’t believe that Jesus, Father and Holy Spirit is inside every person on the whole earth, I would not open my mouth… But we are bearing witness to something that is real.”

Jesus has stepped into our delusions, into our darkness, and that the discovery of Christ in us is the hope of glory, life, wholeness, and freedom.

In part one Baxter talks on Christ as our Creator and also shares about the willingness to approach pain so we might know God more intimately.

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John Mark talks enneagram, songwriting, his latest record, Peopled with Dreams, and shares about a vulnerable joy he has discovered as he enters his 40’s. “Gratitude is the practice of seeing the world correctly” and John Mark shares how He rediscovered Jesus in the last several years and in so doing rediscovered his faith. He referred to this new record as a “walk back into faith” and it applies to himself but also is an invitation for all who listen to rediscover faith.

Regarding the new record, John Mark said, “I am building bridges between my friends who are atheists, my friends who are fundamentalists, my friends who consider themselves progressive or any end of the spectrum. Because gratitude is the one place we all come together.”

“You can’t be in gratitude and have a long term poor disposition towards the people who bear the image of the thing you are having this gratitude for.”

Hermeneutics, pain and suffering, the sovereignty of God, brain science, Terrence Malick films, and tacos. Chris Green hits all the beats in this thought-provoking podcast.

Chris has authored several books, including most recently Surprised by God and The End is Music, both published by Cascade Press.

He and his wife, Julie, live in Lakeland with their three children.

Bill talks about how COVID19 may play a role in realigning our understanding of what the church is and how the gospel has been reduced down to its purest most basic form, Jesus. Evangelism has been relegated to getting people to come to church. But it’s way better than that.

Bill spoke about this pandemic and how believers can powerfully navigate fear. 

Bill Vanderbush is a writer and brilliant communicator. In this podcast, Bill gives incredible insight into what the New Covenant looks like, our inclusion in the family through both being adopted and reborn, reckless grace, and how to navigate conflict online. (part 1)

Francois is an author most known for his current work, The Mirror Bible. In this interview, Francois talks about our Father's great affection, inclusion, grace, intimacy, ministry, and the unveiled revelation of love! He also shares some of his story and how he came to write The Mirror Bible. 

The entire cosmos is the object of God’s affection! And he is not about to abandon his creation – the gift of his son is for humanity to realize their origin in him who mirrors their authentic birth – begotten not of flesh but of the Father! In this persuasion, the life of the ages echoes within the individual and announces that the days of regret and sense of lost-ness are over!

Derek and Sarah Turner, pastors of River Church Charlotte, share generously and candidly on the goodness of God, Jesus as perfect theology, reading scripture with a hermeneutic of Love, soul care, inclusion, rethinking our understanding of vengeance and wrath and the patient trusting journey into transformation.

“It’s not about the quantity of faith but the placement of faith. In John 17 Jesus prayed that we would believe that our Father loved us as much as our Father loved Him. If we put our faith in anything, let’s put it in Jesus’ prayer being answered.”

We had Karen Clark on and talked about how to navigate fear in the midst of Covid19. We discussed the three triads of the Enneagram and how knowing our Enneagram number can help us healthily navigate fear.

Karen shared that ultimately knowing the goodness of God is the foundation of navigating fear healthily; perfect love casts out fear.

Thomas, Jason, and Karen talk about some of the fear-mongering theologies that are running rampant online.  When we understand who God is we understand that God didn’t send Covid19. God is not the instigator of death, He came to give us life and life more abundantly.

Finally, they discussed how God is a good Father who is available to us now in the midst of our fear. A Father who weeps with us while also lifting us up so we can see our circumstances the way He does and live in peace.

Early Church Fathers, the formation of the New Testament, how to approach scripture, Starwars, Puff Daddy, The Police, and the vast difference between retributive justice and restorative justice. Mako Nagasawa’s thoughts and generous communication were insightful, hopeful and transformative.

For more on Mako Nagasawa go to Anastasiscenter.org

Mike is a brilliant communicator and pastors Freedom Ministries. In this podcast we talk about prayer and oneness with God and Mike teaches us quantum physics! Mike reveals how scripture and quantum physics are not in conflict with each other. Mike then shares how to pray with confidence, especially in the scary days of the Coronavirus. He teaches us how to freely receive what we already have been given by our Father; "Everything He has is already ours!"

Quotes:

"He is a more than enough God, not just enough. He came to give us life and life more abundantly."

"The New Covenant is our Union."

Books Mike mentioned as resources.
Becoming Supernatural by Joe Dispenza
The Rise of Superman: Decoding the Science of Ultimate Human Performance by Steven Kotler
The Divine Matrix: Bridging Time, Space, Miracles and Belief by Gregg Braden
The Power of the Subconscious Mind by Joseph Murphy

You can learn more about Mike at Freedom Ministries. www.freedomministries.org
Freedom Ministries Youtube messages can be found HERE
Mike mentioned Inspire100.org, a ministry near to his heart. Learn More HERE

Brad discusses high Christology, the greater your focus on Christ (a theology of Christ) the wider you see Abba’s love to be.

Brad gives insight into how our early church fathers thought about God and read or interpreted scripture. He also discussed what the wrath of God means in scripture.

For more information on Brad Jersak go to:
https://bradjersak.com

In part 2, Paul dove into scripture and how to read it for an encounter. He highlighted that Jesus is what God is like. He also discussed how God gives us grace for today and how to live in this moment.

Some of the people Paul is reading now:

Martin Schleske: www.schleske.de
Baxter Kruger: www.perichoresis.org
Richard Rohr: www.cac.org
David Tensen: www.davidtensen.com

For more information on Wm. Paul Young go to www.wmpaulyoung.com

In part 1, Paul tells a story about the making of the Shack, his friendship with Brad Jersak and how God used their first meeting, and the filming of the shack to heal a couple who had experienced great loss.

Paul dives into the goodness of God and trust.

“Trust is my through-line”
“In religion, you don’t actually have to trust God”

Paul discussed the yearly conference, The Grand Embrace, with Wm. Paul Young, Dr. Brad Jersak, Cathy AJ Hardy & Lorie Martin

For more information on Wm. Paul Young go to
Wm. Paul Young http://wmpaulyoung.com

What if control is a flawed word to describe God’s sovereignty? What if there is an infinitely better word, a greater revelation, love!

Jason and Thomas discuss the sovereignty of God and focus on Jason’s book, God Is Not In Control. God’s love is what defines His sovereignty. And God’s love is revealed through the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus.

The idea’s that God is in control and God is good are often two opposing thoughts. 

When we realize that God’s supreme power and authority are love…everything changes for the better.