REVcovery

This week we have an incredible conversation with Cortland Coffey on ministry, high control religions, and how easy it is to fall into a bad situation for all the right reasons.

His story is both jaw dropping and relatable; welcome to the REVcovery Room!

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Hey folks its just another chill episode with Sarah and Justin wherein we discuss the new year, how our lives have changed, and what we look forward to in 2024.

Join us this week in the REVcovery Room!

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This week we welcome Meghan Crozier from the Thereafter podcast to talk about leaving the classroom, finding your voice, and what it looks like to actually talk back to purity culture. We also discuss an upcoming event that the Thereafter Pod is hosting in Portland Oregon that specifically addresses recovering from Purity Culture and what comes after. You can check out all the details at contentwarningevent.com

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Its a good one folks. Welcome to the REVcovery Room!

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This week Justin and Sarah revisit the idea of calling and what it means to us now that we are no longer doing the thing we were "called" to do. Were we tricked? Was it all fake? Were we wrong? Was God wrong? We probably won't find the answer but we hope this discussion helps you wrestle with this idea well.

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This week we have a lighter episode wherein we talk a bit about all the WTF moments we have had in ministry. We hope it brings a smile to your face this holiday season.

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This week we have a lovely conversation with Kevin Garcia about leaving ministry, redefining spiritual practice, and finding what makes you bloom. You can preorder his new book, What Makes You Bloom, wherever books are sold.

Welcome to the REVcovery Room.

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This week is a simple episode with Justin and Sarah talking about how to keep our heads above water as we swim in the chaos that is living in the 21st century. Take a deep breathe, relax, and welcome to the REVcovery Room.

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Folks we have an excellent conversation today with Justin Wilford co-Founder of the Yes Collective, a a parent-focused mental wellness platform. In addition to talking about mental wellness we talk about his academic work studying religion and then veer into topics like the benefits of psychedelics and ecstatic dance, as you do.

Its a good time and as always, welcome to the REVcovery Room.

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This week we welcome Jef Caine to the REVcovery room and hear a great discussion about art in the church and turnign our struggles with vocation into careers that give us life again.

Hope you enjoy this trip into the REVcovery room.

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This week we interview Simon Nixon a friend from down under who has found freedom from the stress of ministry working with abusers and violent criminals...which kinda says alot.

Welcome to the REVcovery Room, you don't want to miss this one.

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This week we welcome Brandon Flanery to the show! Brandon is the REVcovery trifecta (expastor, exmissionary, and exevangelical) and now writes and speaks at the intersection of faith and sexuality. In addition to being an amazing human he is also the founder of the LGBTQ+ dating app, believr. Its a great conversation that we are happy to share with you.

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This week we welcome former pastor and occasional bartender Brian Recker on the show! Brian has a fantastic story of involving faith transitions and a widening of his perspective leading to his eventual exit from ministry. But as you know on this show that is just where the story starts getting interesting. It's a fantastic story of faith lost, found, abandoned, and reclaimed; welcome to the REVcovery Room!

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Friends we have a great story this week as we interview Hillary Taylor about ministry, evolving faith, and her rewarding friendships with death row inmates. You don't want to miss this one.

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This week Sarah and Justin welcome Kyle Harbour to the REVcovery room and you do not wan to miss this one. Kyle comes out of the sound booth to give us the scoop on what professional ministry looks like from behind the powerpoint screen and also to give hope that those things you always longed to do in ministry are also available on the other side of that stained glass window.

Welcome once again to the REVcovery Room!

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This week we bring another story from the REVcovery room! We are joined by Leslie Nease this week who has been at times a radio host, contestant on Survivor, fitness instructor, and much more. It has been a long road through and many changes in direction to get her to this point and we are so excited to share her story with you.

Welcome to the REVcovery Room.

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We are back! This week we kickoff a new season of REVcovery and wow is it going to be a great one. This episode we reflect back on what we have done, where we are going and what we would like to start, stop and continue.

It's a joy to be back. Welcome to the REVcovery Room!

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This week Sarah and Justin reflect on the last season and consider where we have come from and where we are going on this REVcovery tour we are on together. We hope that as this podcast community continues to grow you will find each person's story to be just as compelling and inspiring as we do.

We are just getting started. Welcome once again to the REVcovery Room!

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We have an excellent episode this week as we welcome Mike Maeshiro to the REVcovery Room! Mike spent most of his ministry career hiding who he really was in order to fit in and we get into all the ways that creates problems both internally and in relationship with others. We also answer the burning question of what is the deal with the golden dust at Bethel Redding. You don't want to miss this one.

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This week we hear from one of our REVcovery Room members Kyle Caudle! You might be a pastor if your job description includes "other duties as assigned" and Kyle is no exception. He has done it all and has a story to tell about it. Our community is full of the best possible people and we are so happy that you get to listen to them.

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This week we hear from one of our REVcovery Room members Ty Grigg! We love having Ty on the show because he was able to make his career transition successfully and also reaches back to help others on their own journeys out of ministry and into the next thing. Our community is full of the best possible people and we are so happy that you get to hear their stories.

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This week we hear from one of our REVcovery Room members Kai Carico! Kai is a fantastic human whose story of transition, whether that is a transition of vocation or transition of gender identity, is one that we are so proud to present. Our community is full of the best possible people and we are so happy that you get to listen to them.

Welcome to the REVcovery Room!

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This week we hear from one of our REVcovery Room members Brandon Dulaney! We are so happy to have members of our community on the show and Brandon's story is not one to miss. We talk about everything from parenting, how we reframe our relationships after deconstruction, and so much more. It's a great one folks.

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Hey friends this week is another low key episode wherein Justin and Sarah talk a bit about Mother's Day, family, and how we celebrate each other as we deconstruct our ministry and faith.

Welcome to the REVcovery Room!

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Hey friends this week is a low key episode wherein Justin and Sarah talk a bit about things that have helped them get through revcovery and deconstruction. Hopefully some of these resources will help you too.

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We have the honor to welcome the one and only Scott Okamoto to the podcast today! Justin got to hang out with Scott for his book launch in Los Angeles and it was so good we felt like we had to have him on the show. As an Asian American college professor at a conservative university his revcovery looks different than many of our listeners but its themes of care for the other above dogmas and prioritizing curiosity over conservatism will feel very familiar.

Welcome Scott to the REVcovery Room!

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This is another in our ongoing series highlighting the stories of our Patrons on Discord. This week Elizabeth Mora shares her unique story of ministry in an openly progressive denomination and how the grass isn't always greener on the other side. We all have our own individual starting points but we are all in this together.

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This week Justin and Sarah reflect on another Easter outside of the pulpit and in the wilds beyond the stained glass windows. We can't go back to who we were as clergy but we still carry that sense of calling to name the truth and "go first" regardless of where we are.

Wherever you find yourself this Holy Week we hope you feel deeply at home and at rest. Welcome to the REVcovery Room.

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This week we are happy to have a member of our Discord community share their experience of REVcovery. Rev Dr. Sara Relaford is a former UMC minister whose perspective on the journey into and out of ministry has been so valuable to our community. She and her husband were a clergy couple who deconstructed their views on ministry at roughly the same time while managing two church’s worth of expectations. So yeah, it was a lot but thankfully she has found a new vocation and voice and we are excited to share it with you.

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Folks we have a treat for you this week because Dr Tripp Fuller is with us to talk about community, the Church, and his love of Justin's sweatpants. It's a wide ranging conversation but stick around for the end as we talk about the good things we experienced in ministry and how we take those into the next thing.

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This week on the pod we have Tim Whitaker, creator of The New Evangelicals, on the show. Tim was a super volunteer in churches and on worship teams and over time began to see that what was being practiced in churches was not lining up with what he had been taught his faith was all about. He started asking questions and that eventually led to his exit from volunteer life and into a new kind of community.

Its a good one folks; welcome to the REVcovery Room!

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We have a great episode for you this week with Dr. Harold Dorrell Briscoe! Our guest is a renaissance man in many ways and uses all of his varied passions and interests to create community and connection wherever he goes. Dorrell is one of our few guests that has both deconstructed their faith and continues to serve in a local church and his story is one you will want to pay attention to.

Welcome to the REVcovery Room!

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This week's episode is the last in our series of interviews at Theology Beer Camp. Today you will get to hear Justin interview Dr. Roberto Che Espinoza. We get a little into Dr. Roberto's journey as a nonbinary Transqueer Latinx person and how that shapes their work in politics, theology and ethics. It is a delightful and informative conversation that we are very excited to be able to share with you.

Welcome to the REVcovery Room!

This talk was a part of our experience at Homebrewed Christianity's Theology Beer camp. If you like what you heard you can listen to more of these incredible talks at experiencinggod.net. The cost is donation based (including $0) and you will get the full process party experience from the comfort of home.

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This week we discuss grief, transitions, and all the other things with Psychotherapist Rebecca Ching. Her story is filled with transitions and career changes into and out of ministry and the professional world. She is a phenomenal guest and more than a few of you will resonate with her journey into and out of this thing we are all trying to REVcover from.

Sit back, get cozy, and welcome to the REVcovery Room!

You can read Rebecca's Bio and link to all her places here

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Folks you are in for a great conversation because this week we have Author and Agent Cathleen Falsani on the show. As a former religion reporter for the Chicago Sun Times Cathleen has seen many of the shifts that drive this revcovery journey that we are all on and offers excellent insight in how to both survive and thrive in this ever changing landscape we find ourselves in. It's a true delight that we can't wait to share with you.

Welcome to the REVcovery Room!

You can check out all that Cathleen is up to on her Substack: falsani.com

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Hey friends we are delighted to introduce you to Coach Chris Rodriguez (website here)! He has an amazing story and message that will resonate with any of you that find yourselves in a human body. This conversation ranges from feeling tension in the church as a person of color, how to identify what you really want, and also how being in a body is a good thing.

You are going to love it. Welcome to the REVcovery Room!

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Welcome friends and happy belated new year! We are so excited to start this new season of REVcovery with you. This week Justin and Sarah talk a bit about new years and renegotiating our relationship to self-discipline, goals, and our expectations. We hope it is a conversation that you find helpful and encouraging as you look ahead to what this year holds for you.

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Folks we made it! Episode 40 and the end of our first year of REVcovery. Sarah and Justin are so grateful for the many delightful twists and turns this first year has had and can't wait to see what happens in 2023. In this episode we reflect on the last year and also talk about how our relationship to the mega holiday that is Christmas and New Years has changed since we have left ministry.

We absolutely love sharing all this with you and hope you have a meaningful holiday season however that unfolds for you. Welcome, for the last time in 2022, to the REVcovery Room!

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We are happy this week to welcome Dr Jennifer Bashaw to the REVcovery Room! Sarah and Justin had an opportunity to sit down with Dr Bashaw at Theology Beer Camp to discuss her time in ministry, journey into academia, and how being in a female body impacted that journey. It is a fantastic conversation that we are so delighted to share with you and hope it gives some perspective on how theology shapes how we view God, our bodies, and what spaces we are allowed to be in.

Enjoy!

This talk was a part of our experience at Homebrewed Christianity's Theology Beer camp. If you like what you heard you can listen to more of these incredible talks at experiencinggod.net. The cost is donation based (including $0) and you will get the full process party experience from the comfort of home.

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This week we welcome our good friend Heather Sanford to the REVcovery Room! In addition to being a delightful individual Heather served for many years in youth ministry and then on an executive leadership team and she has more than a few words to say about it. Her story pulls on themes of honesty, vulnerability and how those things are not always welcome in the church. It's a real treat to talk to her and we are glad to be able to share this conversation with you. 

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This week we welcome Matt Kendziera to the REVcovery Room! In addition to being a former pastor Matt is also an author, musician, speaker and all around renaissance man whose book "Bring it Home: The Adventure of Finding Yourself after Being Lost in Religion" highlights the journey many of us in revcovery are on. It's a great conversation that really hits on what it means to not just survive leaving ministry but to build a life you look forward to living.

If you would like to learn more about Matt's book "Bring it Home: The Adventure of Finding Yourself after Being Lost in Religion" you can check out his website

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This week we are happy to present one of the interviews Sarah did at Theology Beer Camp with the incredible Dr. Sarah Lane Ritchie. It is a wide ranging conversation but it centers on the hiddenness of God and what we do with that mystery. For many of us in REVcovery that question drove us out of the church altogether and this conversation helps us to see that maybe there is more behind the curtain.

It's a great one folks, welcome to the REVcovery Room!

This talk was a part of our experience at Homebrewed Christianity's Theology Beer camp. If you like what you heard you can listen to more of these incredible talks at experiencinggod.net. The cost is donation based (including $0) and you will get the full process party experience from the comfort of home.

If you would like to join a community of like minded people check out our Patreon: patreon.com/revcovery

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Hey friends this week is a simple episode where Justin and Sarah share a bit about what life is like after you have fully made the transition out of ministry (or whatever you did). How do you set expectations, manage boundaries, and simply live life after a calling? We don't know the answer for everyone but we are happy to share what is working for us and hope you find some good in it.

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This week we welcome Josh Patterson, former pastor and now brewer at Full Tilt Brewery, to the show! Josh has an amazing story of coming to terms with the information his body was telling to him about his time in ministry and bravely allowing himself to trust that he knew the right moves to make. He is a real delight both in person and in recording and we are excited to share this conversation with you.

Grab your favorite beverage and welcome to the REVcovery Room!

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This week we sit down with Cameron Bishop, Executive Director of Impact Lives, an organization that uses cognitive science to change the lives of clients ranging from school kids to professional athletes. Cameron is a former minister whose incredible story touches on the feelings of growing up out of place and what we do as ministers to our internal voice in order to "serve" the church. We hope that this conversation gives you hope that there is a good life beyond the stained glass windows and that the things that got you into ministry are not completely left behind.

It is all useful my friends, welcome to the REVcovery Room!

You can find Cameron's organization, Impact Lives, Here

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This week we interview Derek Myers, better known on the internet as "Derek the Heretic." Derek is also one half of "Your Favorite Heretics" so combined with Justin and Sarah you need to brace yourselves for a whole lot of heresy. But seriously, Derek is one of the most kind people we have had on the show and their journey of healing is one we are very happy to share with you.

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This week we are delighted to introduce you to our new friend, former minister, and current member of the REVcovery Community, Jeff Elkins! This episode really is a full circle moment for us because neither Justin or Sarah knew Jeff before this podcast got started. Jeff is an active member of our REVcovery Discord Community and after learning more about his story and seeing how much of the work he has already done we know we had to have him on the show. This episode is a special one folks so sit back and enjoy your time this week in the REVcovery room!

You can check out Jeff's writing by clicking here

The song we mentioned by Nato Poppins is here

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If you would like to see us live we will be at Theology Beer Camp in Chapel Hill, NC on October 13-15. If you use the code "REVcovery" you get $50 off your registration fee. Sign up here www.TheologyBeer.Camp

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Hey friends we are back with a Justin and Sarah episode wherein we discuss the ups and downs of living with religious and societal expectations that simply aren't good for humans. We also talk about things that help us, how to balance hope and skepticism, and how that anxiety you are feeling is probably normal.

Welcome to the REVcovery Room!

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Hey friends we have a bit of a different episode today; we are doing a crossover podcast with Blake Chastain of Exvangelical!

In this episode we talk a bit about burnout in the ministry and in influencer culture as well as some ways we can deal with being chronically online. We hope you enjoy it and find it helpful in your REVcovery.

Welcome once again to the REVcovery Room!

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Friends we are so very excited to welcome Bradely Onishi to the REVcovery Room!

Bradley is a former pastor, the co-host of the "Straight White American Jesus" podcast and author of the upcoming book "Preparing for War: The Extremist History of White Christian Nationalism--and What Comes Next." What we enjoyed so much about this conversation is Bradley's strength of character and vulnerability in articulating his journey both into and out of ministry. When we reach a turning point in our lives it is easy to feel like we never had a choice but we hope this conversation becomes an invitation to see the path forward through your own eyes, maybe for the first time.

Welcome to the REVcovery Room!

You can preorder Bradely's book wherever books are sold. It releases January 3rd, 2023.

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This week we interview Josiah Mahon host of the "Slow Train to Heck" podcast! Josiah faced a choice that many of us in REVcovery have had to face; do I tell the truth or do I stay silent? He chose the former and as many of us know the consequences were wide-ranging and unpredictable. Fortunately Josiah was able to find a path forward and for that we are very grateful because he is a truly delightful human being and his story is one that we are very exited to share.

Welcome to the REVcovery Room!

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This week we are very excited to welcome Kevin Wright to the REVcovery Room. Like most of our guests Kevin is a former minister but in many ways he represents one of the best outcomes of the REVcovery journey. Leaving your "calling" isn't the last thing that will be said about you and Kevin helps us to see that a ministry career isn't a liability and can set you up to do the next thing in surprising ways.

We are so glad we get to share his story with you today in the REVcovery Room!

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This week we welcome to the REVcovery Room the Naked Pastor himself, David Hayward. If you have ever asked questions about your faith and been on the internet you have probably run into one of David's cartoons. They speak so well to the experience many of us find ourselves in.

David was a pastor for a number of years and ultimately made the choice to lean into his questions and the creative pursuits that came out of them. We are so grateful that he did and The Naked Pastor is a wonderful testament to the fact that your creative life can survive, and even thrive, after you leave the ministry. We hope you enjoy your time with him as much as we did.

If you want to see his work in print you can check out his new book "Flip it Like This" available right now.

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We had the privilege of interviewing one of our favorite people, Anna Galloday, at Wild Goose and we can't wait to share her story with you. Anna was faced with some very difficult decisions and while they ultimately resulted in her leaving the ministry she as able to leave knowing she had fulfilled her roll as pastor to her people.

If you have ever been stuck between what is the right thing to do and what is the expected thing to do this is an episode you don't want to miss. Welcome to the REVcovery Room!

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Friends we are so delighted to introduce you to our friend Janice Lagata! Her career has included many things from managing the stage for Hillsong New York to writing uncredited jokes for her senior pastor's sermons. It was alot of work and none of it paid because...reasons.

Janice speaks powerfully to the lure of charismatic leaders and movements, how people of color are often treated in these spaces, and what the process of waking up to yourself and getting out is like. Her story is a gift and we are so excited to share it.

Welcome to the REVcovery Room!

If you would like to join a community of like minded people check out our Patreon: patreon.com/revcovery

If you would like to see us live we will be at Theology Beer Camp in Chapel Hill, NC on October 13-15. If you use the code "REVcovery" you get $50 off your registration fee. Sign up here www.TheologyBeer.Camp

Coaching is one way we offer additional support but sometimes the cost is out of reach. You can help someone else get the support they need by donating to Sarah's account at Souleader: https://www.souleader.org/single-donation

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Hey everybody we are back with some thoughts about our time at Wild Goose, how we are choosing our faith rather than having it handed to us, and the surprising ways we are finding that ministry (whatever that is) still matters to us.

Justin and Sarah discuss this week the odd twists and turns their revcovery is taking them and how it is ok to still not know exactly where you are landing. Leaving ministry and coming to terms with who you are now is a process that requires a great deal of inner evaluation and you will likely encounter a whole lot of surprises along the way. This is ok. Growth and change can be beautiful but they are often awkward too.

Our hope is that the REVcovery Room can be a place where you don't feel the need to have arrived at an answer but that you always feel free to meet the next version of yourself however they present themselves.

Welcome friends; we are so glad to be back!

If you would like to join a community of like minded people check out our Patreon: patreon.com/revcovery

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Friends we are back with Season 2 of the REVcovery Podcast! We are so excited for what the next season holds and this episode is the perfect kickoff.

Our guest today is Brian Mclaren. In addition to being a former pastor Brian is the author of several books about new ways of practicing faith and his latest book "Do I Stay Christian?: A Guide for the Doubters, the Disappointed, and the Disillusioned" is out now. Sarah and Justin interview him on what is it like to hold faith in our current context as when as share stories about how the book impacted them. Are they still Christian? Listen to find out!

If you are at all interested in the question of whether or not you are still a Christian and what that even means this is an excellent episode and we highly recommend the book. Welcome once again to the REVcovery Room.

If you would like to join a community of like minded people check out our Patreon: patreon.com/revcovery

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Coaching is one way we offer additional support but sometimes the cost is out of reach. You can help someone else get the support they need by donating to Sarah's account at Souleader: https://www.souleader.org/single-donation

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Friends we are wrapping up the first season of REVcovery and it has been such a wonderful time. Don't worry we will be back in a few weeks for the start of season two and it's going to be fantastic. For this episode Sarah and Justin wanted to cover a few frequently asked questions about making peace with your past mistakes in ministry and some practices around finding and defining friendships. Its a great discussion and we can't wait to share it with you here in the REVcovery Room!

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Hey friends this week we are taking a bit of a break from the heavier side of career transitions and focusing on the practical aspects of how to rethink your resume. Ministry resumes and corporate resumes are not the same and it requires alot of creative thinking to present your relevant experience (which you have alot of by the way) in a manner that will be recognized by people that don't know what a discipleship program is. As a pastor you have what it takes to succeed in all kinds of jobs and many companies would be happy to have you. It is just a matter of shifting perspectives so that you see it too.

Thank you for your support and welcome to the REVcovery Room!

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This week we welcome Jenny Smith to the podcast and it is a truly beautiful and life-giving conversation. Burnout in ministry is a real thing and it takes courage to admit when you aren't able to go on anymore; even more to walk away into something new. That is something Jenny has done and we hope that her story is one that helps you learn how to accept, celebrate, and grieve each thing in its season.

Thank you for your support and welcome to the REVcovery Room!

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We talk alot about how challenging it is to leave ministry or experience a shift in our faith. It is difficult to navigate, for sure, but what we often don't get to talk about is what you gain when you step out into the unknown. This week Sarah and Justin talk a bit about what they have gained since stepping beyond the stained glass windows. We hope it is a conversation that inspires you to look up a bit from the challenges of leaving ministry to see the possibilities that lay beyond the horizon.

Grab an herbal tea (or something stronger) and relax a bit this week in the REVcovery Room!

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This week we are exited to welcome Kevin Sweeney to the REVcovery Room! Kevin is currently the lead pastor of Imagine Church in Hawaii but is in the process of closing that ministry down to choose the next thing ahead of him. We talk quite a bit in this episode about life and ministry but also how to let go well so that we can make space for what is to come. We think you will find Kevin's story to be a delight and if you want to hear more you can preorder his new book "The Making of a Mystic: My Journey With Mushrooms, My Life as a Pastor, and Why It's Okay for Everyone to Relax" in the link below.

Relax friends, you are in the REVcovery Room and you can be yourself here.

You can preorder Kevin's book here: The Making of a Mystic: My Journey With Mushrooms, My Life as a Pastor, and Why It's Okay for Everyone to Relax

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This week Sarah and Justin talk about the experience of transitioning your relationships from the often one sided pastor to parishioner to the more mutual friend to friend. Many relationships can't make the switch which can be incredibly painful but if we can approach each new season with curiosity and candor we can find new relationships wherever we might end up.

So grab a seat friends and imagine a pleasant fireside as we chat about relationships this week in the REVcovery Room.

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Today in the REVcovery Room we are joined by Bailey Brawner, former paster, current Tik Tok creator and much more. Leaving ministry is challenging but Bailey brings a delightful authenticity to the transition that is both inspiring and refreshing. We are more than our titles, we are whole people, and it is our task to embody that the best way that we can even if that means leaving a position that once gave us meaning.

We loved talking with her (on Easter no less) and are sure that you will too. Welcome to the REVcovery Room!

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This week we are delighted to introduce to you Rev Ogun Holder, co-founder of project Sanctus as well as the host of Pub Theology Live, and co-host of With Love And Justice For All, a podcast about embodied antiracism. Ogun brings fantastic insight into the struggles of a pastor trying to move their community into a more expansive direction but constantly creating friction with the system that is the Christian brand in America.

We loved talking with him and are sure that you will too. Welcome to the REVcovery Room!

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When you are a minister Easter can be alot of things. It is supposed to be the highest point of the year but often times it ends up being great of others and nothing but draining for you. When you leave ministry, your faith, or both it becomes even more difficult to navigate the expectations and obligations that come with this holiday and we want to talk about it.

Holidays don't need to be like this and wherever you find yourself this Easter we want to invite you into the REVcovery room to experience ease, delight, and maybe a little resurrection; however that looks for you.

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This week we are proud to welcome Phil Drysdale to the REVcovery room! If you have followed us on Instagram (and you should) you will know Phil's work already because he creates some of the best memes out there. Deconstruction can be a very difficult process but it is also absurd and full of opportunities to laugh at yourself and Phil is able to balance that so well. He brings a wealth of knowledge on the trends in ministry and deconstruction spaces and we are delighted to introduce you.

Grab a seat and enjoy this week's episode of REVcovery!

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This week we welcome Michael Bischof, President of SOULeader Resources. Michael comes to the show with a wealth of knowledge on the journey into and out of ministry and shares deeply about his struggles with depression, shifting friendships, and navigating religious trauma while trying to keep your life together. He is a delight to talk to and we are glad to introduce you to him this week in the REVcovery Room!

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This week we hear from the other Justin, Justin Halbersma!

Justin is a former United Methodist minister and instead of getting kicked out or burnt out he just decided to walk out of the ministry. He has a great story of leaving well and learning about who you are along the way. We also cover the ins and outs of seminary life, the wild world of church polity, and some key signs that it is time to leave.

Welcome friends to the REVcovery Room!

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This week Sarah and Justin have a chat about what their practice of spirituality looks like now that they aren't paid to be a professional Christian anymore. When your paycheck is tied to something as personal as your faith figuring out where your profession ends and you begin isn't an easy task . How do you even know who the real you is?

Well the masks are coming off this week and we hope that you can join us in not going back to living as anything less than who you really are. Welcome to the REVcovery Room!

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Rev. Rob Lee joins us this week on REVcovery! 

Rob shares his story with us about how he got into ministry, the struggles he went through early in his career, and the path he found to realizing that local church ministry wasn't allowing him to prioritize the things that mattered most. His story is filled with surprising twists. Rob’s career has taken him to some crazy places and he’s spoken on huge platforms like the MTV VMA’s, “the view,” and even the Whitehouse. He shares how despite all of that hype, he has found his true purpose in a less public arena and it’s surprising to even him how his priorities have completely shifted. It’s a great story that we think many pastors, former pastors, or anyone who has had a major life shift will be able to relate to. 

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This week on the REVcovery podcast Sarah and Justin chat a bit about what it means to be called. It is a bit of a free ranging discussion because the term "calling" or being "called" isn't easy to pin down. Even so we think it is important to dive into because for many of us The Call™️ is what changed our lives and the thought of leaving that behind is a difficult thing to grapple with.

We hope you are able to walk away from this episode with a better understanding of what your calling means to you today and some tools to help discover what is next. Welcome to the REVcovery Room!

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This week we welcome Maher Salhani to the REVcovery Room!

Maher has been a mechanic, apologist (for both Islam and Christianity), pastor, all around great human, and CEO/Co-Founder at Rising Culture Consulting. We were delighted to be able to talk to him about his career and how he has navigated all of these transitions and think that you are going to love him too. Deconstructing your faith while running a ministry is a difficult balancing act and Maher brings a levity and joy to the process that we hope you find helpful as you navigate these things yourself.

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Thank you so much for joining us this week in the REVcovery Room.

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As a Friday treat we have a Bonus Episode from one of our Irreverent Media partners, Speaking in Church!

In this episode (recorded September 2021) Josephine Jael Jimenez and Spencer Rose interview Justin Gentry on doubting as a pastor and how to navigate the challenges that come from leaving your faith. This is different from our normal content but we thought you might enjoy a change of pace. Don't worry we will be releasing another episode of REVcovery this Tuesday!

CW: We do touch on miscarriage and childbirth during this episode so if that is a sensitive topic for you we wanted to make sure you were aware.

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This week we ask the question that seems to haunt everyone who leaves a calling; did I waste my life? This question can leave you in an unhealthy place far longer than necessary and also can torment you many years after you walk away. Frankly, you deserve better than that.

Join us in the REVcovery Room this week as we explore how to reframe our experiences in ministry in ways that serve us and help us move forward. There is so much more life to be lived outside the stained glass windows.

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Welcome to this week's REVcovery! In this episode Sarah shares about her career in ministry, the many interests and influences that have shaped her story, and why she eventually had to walk away from fulltime ministry. Sharing our stories isn't always easy but it is necessary work and we want to be the ones to go first. We hope you enjoy.

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Welcome to this week's REVcovery! In this episode Justin is in the hot seat as he shares about his childhood calling, seasons of doubt in ministry, and ultimate exit into full-time corporate work. Sharing our stories isn't always easy but it is necessary work and we want to be the ones to go first. We hope you enjoy.

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In this debut episode Justin and Sarah talk about life after ministry and what a shock the "real" world is when you have been behind the stained glass windows for so long. Leaving ministry is a scary experience and we want to be there for you as you navigate how to end things well.

Welcome to the REVcovery Room!

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