"The global south can skip fossil fuels"

🔍 Episode Summary:

In this searing and deeply compelling conversation, Mark Lynas speaks with Vijaya Ramachandran, economist and Director for Energy and Development at the Breakthrough Institute, to unpack what she calls one of the worst “bad ideas” shaping today’s climate discourse: the blanket opposition to fossil fuel development in the Global South.

From indoor air pollution to energy inequality, and from misguided climate justice campaigns to blatant geopolitical hypocrisy, Vijaya takes aim at the idea that development must be sacrificed for the climate. She explains why poor countries need more energy — including some fossil fuels — in order to fight poverty, save lives, and build resilience to climate shocks.

If you think climate justice means banning gas in Africa, you might want to listen to this first.

🧠 Topics Discussed:

• 🔥 Why LPG (liquified petroleum gas) is clean cooking, not dirty energy

• 🫁 3.8 million deaths a year from household air pollution

• 🌲 How clean fossil fuels can save forests and reduce emissions

• 🧮 The carbon math: Germany’s LNG expansion vs all of Africa’s LPG

• 🤯 The World Bank’s fossil fuel financing ban — who it really affects

• 💸 Hypocrisy in action: Norway, Germany, and the United States

• ⚖️ Why energy inequality is a moral and not just technical issue

• 🧱 Fossil fuels for fertiliser, cement, steel, and climate adaptation

• 🚫 The limits of leapfrogging: why renewables alone aren’t enough

• 🧬 What real climate justice would look like for developing nations

• 🌍 Could “green colonialism” break the Paris climate consensus?

👩‍🏫 Guest Bio:

Vijaya Ramachandran is Director for Energy and Development at the Breakthrough Institute and an economist who has written for Nature, Foreign Policy, and The Economist. Her research focuses on energy access, development, and the geopolitics of climate finance. She's a fierce advocate for energy equity and pragmatic climate solutions rooted in the needs of the world’s poorest.

📚 Recommended Reading & Resources:

• Foreign Policy – The Green Colonialism Essay by Vijaya Ramachandran

• How the West Is Pushing Africa Away from Gas – Breakthrough Institute

• Why LPG Is Good for the Climate – WePlanet article by Mark Lynas

• Our World in Data – Energy Access

• IEA Clean Cooking Investment Tracker

• Energy for Growth Hub

• World Bank report on Indoor Air Pollution
  

💬 Quote Highlights:

“LPG saves lives. It’s better for women, better for children, and even better for the climate when you look at the alternatives.” — Vijaya Ramachandran

“You can’t cook with wind and solar. That’s the reality for hundreds of millions of people.” — Vijaya Ramachandran

“The World Bank’s fossil fuel financing ban only hurts the poorest — and it won’t solve climate change.” — Mark Lynas

“Climate justice has become what Western NGOs want, not what poor people actually need.” — Vijaya Ramachandran

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