Stephen Kotkin, Kleinheinz Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution, joins the show to discuss how both sides have lost the Ukraine War, and the risks of various routes to peace.
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• 02:47 Pressuring Putin
• 12:50 A new path
• 17:07 Avoiding a debacle
• 32:43 Friends
• 38:30 Realignment
• 46:58 Articulating strategy
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