While Laila is out of town, Carolyn has a conversation with a dear mutual friend, Pamela Lyness, a gifted channeler and plant medicine worker. Pamela & Carolyn talk about how the world is splitting quite dramatically into a) folks tuning into a frequency of trust in the unknown, wholeness & interconnection and b) folks doubling down on the authoritarian control vibes. This is what the apocalypse looks like.