On a lovely late spring evening, Laila and Carolyn start out with a leisurely pondering of magickal collaboration with their friend Neil, the set designer and effects producer for Sleep 💤 Over Mystery School. Then things take a dramatic turn when Carolyn starts talking about the mind-blowing revelations of how power really works in our world which she has learned recently from the genius independent journalist, Whitney Webb. This leads Carolyn and Laila into a deep contemplation of what the world needs to get free of the chains of blackmail. You can check out Whitney Webb’s site Unlimited Hangout, read her two-volume book One Nation Under Blackmail, and search for podcasts that feature her as a guest on YouTube and Rumble and Spotify.