In this podcast, Sounds True founder Tami Simon speaks with "the relationship turnaround guy" and bestselling author Terry Real about: the origins of his two-day relationship intervention; the groundbreaking—and rule-breaking—approach of Relational Life Therapy; dealing with shame and grandiosity, and the contempt underlying both; the skill of "joining through the truth"; what healthy self-esteem looks like; why "there's nothing that harshness does that loving firmness doesn't do better"; speaking to and from the mature, wise adult instead of the adaptive, wounded child; relational mindfulness; recognizing your tendency toward "fight, flight, freeze, or fix"; our toxic culture of individualism and the shift to "soft power"; why an invitation works a lot better than a complaint; the essential rhythm of relationships: harmony, rupture, and repair; honoring the ecological system of your relationship while having your individual needs met; and more.