How to ignore the mind and know oneself, its base?

In this episode recorded on 23rd May 2023 Michael answers the following question asked by Geetha:

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“On good days, the current of self is strong, and thoughts appear and disappear automatically. But on most days, thoughts take shape and attention drifts away from the self before one realises that attention has moved from the self to the thought, and pramada or inattention has occurred. Verse 921 of Guru Vācaka Kōvai advises one to ignore the mind as if it were non-existent. This works sometimes but not always. How can one constantly remind oneself that this world is unreal, and thereby ignore the mind?" 

This episode can also be watched as a video, 2023-05-23 Geetha and Michael 2: How to ignore the mind and know oneself, its base?, and a more compressed audio copy in Opus format (which can be listened to in the VLC media player and some other apps) can be downloaded from here.