What is real? What is unreal? How to unrealise the unreal?

In a Zoom meeting on 12th June 2024, Michael answers Carlos' question: What is real? What is unreal? How to unrealise the unreal?

This episode can also be watched as a video here and a more compressed audio copy in Opus format (which can be listened to in the VLC media player and some other apps) can be downloaded from here.