Erik ten Hag, Marc Overmars, Edwin van der Sar & The Ajax Pheonix Project

Hosts Dan Bardell and Flo Lloyd-Hughes are joined by The Athletic's European football writer Raphael Honigstein, to discuss one of the "forgotten super-coaches" - Ajax manager Erik ten Hag... Rafa, reveals the secrets to their re-emergence as a major European force, just two years on from *that* sensational Champions League run and their heart-breaking semi-final exit to Spurs.

Plus, the trio compare the trajectory of both Tottenham and Ajax since that game, analyse why the stars of their 'Class of 2019' side (Ziyech, van de Beek, de Jong et al.) have struggled since leaving, as well as, how the trio of ten Hag, Sporting Director Marc Overmars and Chief Exec Edwin van der Sar, has become the envy of the footballing world.

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