Host Mark Chapman and The Athletic's football news reporter Matt Slater speak to Jacco Swart & Alberto Colombo, executives from European Super Leagues, the organisation that is working with the Premier League, Bundesliga and La Liga to lobby against the more radical proposals for European club competition reform.
We hear about the conversations that are taking place to broker the ongoing power struggle between UEFA, European football's richest clubs and their domestic leagues.
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