Living in Not-Knowing with Jenny Beal and Francis Lucille: The Joyful, Never-ending Path of Not-Knowing

In this episode, Francis describes what it means ‘to live in not-knowing’ and explains the distinction between non-duality and non-dualism. We discuss the different ways in which we can approach the hidden knowledge of awareness. After the first stage in which we discover the absolute reality of pure consciousness, Francis explains why it is essential to recognise that this one reality shines as this world. That’s the only way to be stable in this understanding. Otherwise, we feel nostalgia for the state of pure awareness, and then there is suffering.

We went on to discuss practice. Francis explained that after having a first glimpse of the truth, it’s a life-time assignment. The goal is happiness. Practice converges with life. You don’t stop the practice when you are enlightened. After enlightenment, you practice all the time. But it’s important to make sure your practice comes from love and enthusiasm. Otherwise you stay on the path of self-improvement for lifetime after lifetime. How could more effort, more suffering take you closer to the effortless path?

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