The Black List Podcast

[Encore] Roxane Gay, NYT bestselling author and columnist, talks to Franklin and Kate about her time writing Marvel comic books, representations of fat characters in media, her love for the Fast and Furious franchise, and so much more. 

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This conversation took place in 2020. To learn more about The Black List, visit www.blcklst.com. 

Mentions:

+Roxane Gay on writing for Marvel: https://time.com/4866569/roxane-gay-marvel-lumberjanes/

[Encore] There's one guarantee about having, or listening to, a conversation with Seth Rogen. Laughter will ensue. This episode is no exception. Among the topics he covers with Franklin and Kate: the legacy of Freaks and Geeks, his writing process with longtime collaborator Evan Goldberg, and becoming one of Hollywood’s leading men. He also shares more about his advocacy for cannabis and Alzheimer’s prevention, and his very cool pottery making.  

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This conversation took place in 2020. To llearn more about The Black List, visit www.blcklst.com.

Mentions: 

• Freaks and Geeks: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/freaks_and_geeks 
• Houseplant: https://www.houseplant.com 
• Hilarity for Charity: https://wearehfc.org 

Welcome to the ultimate cinephile's salon, where our co-hosts and two dear friends talk movies of all stripes, paired with some rich personal stories. Open up your "to watch" list and settle in. Franklin and Kate are joined by fellow film lovers Lauren Brown and Boris Khentov. The crew reflects on the films that grounded their childhoods, helped them grieve, and brought great joy to their lives during the first year of the pandemic (This conversation took place in 2020).

Thank you for joining us this season! To stay connected with us and learn more about The Black List, visit www.blcklst.com.

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This week, writer and director Lee Isaac Chung joins Kate and Franklin to talk about the trip to Rwanda that changed his filmmaking trajectory, his deep admiration for Charlie Chaplin and Wong Kar-wai, the making of his film and 2020 Sundance festival winner, Minari, and so much more. 

Questions? Comments? Criticism? Hit us up on social media at @theblcklst.

This conversation took place in 2020. To learn more about The Black List, visit www.blcklst.com.

Mentions: 

• Minari: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/minari 

Kate sits down with the legendary filmmaker Chris Columbus to talk about his beginnings as a screenwriter, directing beloved family films like Home Alone and Mrs. Doubtfire, collaborating with Goldie Hawn and Kurt Russell in The Christmas Chronicles 2, and more behind-the-scenes stories.  

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This conversation first took place in 2020. To learn more about The Black List, visit www.blcklst.com.

This week, Tony-nominated actor Andrew Rannells joins Franklin and Kate to talk about his beginnings in children's theatre in Nebraska, Broadway and The Book of Mormon, working alongside Meryl Streep in the forthcoming Netflix film, The Prom, and so much more.

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This week, two-time Academy Award-nominated filmmaker Kirby Dick joins Kate and Franklin to talk why he “doesn’t love movies,” how he thinks about the concept of truth, the #MeToo movement and his documentary, On The Record (co-directed by Amy Ziering, HBO Max), and so much more. 

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This conversation took place in 2021. To learn more about The Black List, visit www.blcklst.com.

British screenwriter and playwright Jack Thorne joins Kate and Franklin to talk about bringing Harry Potter and The Cursed Child to the stage, his advocacy for fuller disability narratives on screen, season two of His Dark Materials, and so much more. 

Questions? Comments? Criticism? Hit us up on social media at @theblcklst.

This conversation took place in 2020. To learn more about The Black List, visit www.blcklst.com.

Mentions: 

• His Dark Materials: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/his_dark_materials 
• Enola Homes: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/enola_holmes 
• Harry Potter and the Cursed Child: https://www.harrypottertheplay.com/uk/#  
• CripTales: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/criptales/s01 
• Jack Thorne’s Adaptation of A Christmas Carol Will Stream Live From The Old Vic: https://www.playbill.com/article/jack-thornes-adaptation-of-a-christmas-carol-will-stream-live-from-the-old-vic 

As much watching, reading and listening time as we all had during the first year of the pandemic, you probably missed something great. Rewind your mind and pick up some gems from the pros. Franklin and Kate talk to each other about the things they loved in 2020. From Animal Crossing and Sarah Cooper's comedy special, to Ted Lasso and Michaela Coel's I May Destroy You, you'll have some new gems to add to your ongoing list. See the show notes for more details! 

Questions? Comments? Criticism? Hit us up on social media at @theblcklst.

This conversation took place in late 2020. Learn more about The Black List, visit www.blcklst.com.

Mentions: 

• Animal Crossing: https://animal-crossing.com 
• 40-Year-Old Version: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_forty_year_old_version
• Inside Out by Demi Moore: https://www.harpercollins.com/products/inside-out-demi-moore?variant=32131129442338 
• It by Stephen King: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/830502.It 
• Caste by Isabel Wilkerson: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/653196/caste-oprahs-book-club-by-isabel-wilkerson/ 
• Sarah Cooper: https://sarahcpr.com 
• Ted Lasso: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/ted_lasso 
• I May Destroy You: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/i_may_destroy_you 
• You Must Remember This Podcast: http://www.youmustrememberthispodcast.com
• Karina Longworth on The Black List Podcast: https://luminarypodcasts.com/listen/ninth-planet-audio-&-the-black-list/the-black-list-podcast/karina-longworth/ccc9d152-7947-48dc-bab8-871300e0c72a 

This one's very special and very spooky. Kate talks to Barbara Crampton, BJ Colangelo, and Gigi Saul Gurerro about their lives in the horror community, what they're working on, what types of stories they'd like to see told about women in horror, and so much more.

Questions? Comments? Criticism? Hit us up on social media at @theblcklst.

This conversation from 2020 is still a banger. To learn more about The Black List, visit www.blcklst.com.

Mentions: 

• Barbara Crampton: https://twitter.com/barbaracrampton 
• BJ Colangelo: https://twitter.com/bjcolangelo 
• Gigi Saul Gurerro: https://twitter.com/HorrorGuerrero 

Friend of The Black List director Radha Blank joins Kate and Franklin to talk about her Sundance award-winning feature, The 40-Year-Old Version (Netflix), the leap from playwriting and rapping into filmmaking, growing up in an intentional arts community, and so much more.

Questions? Comments? Criticism? Hit us up on social media at @theblcklst.

This conversation took place in 2021. To learn more about The Black List, visit www.blcklst.com.

Mentions: 

• The 40-Year-Old Version: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_forty_year_old_version 

The Bronx is in the building! This week, Franklin and Kate talk to Showtime's late-night hosts Desus Nice and The Kid Mero about their favorite films, the power of the Bodega Hive, their process as co-writers (shout out to Google Docs!) of their book, God-Level Knowledge Darts: Life Lessons from the Bronx, and so much more. 

Questions? Comments? Criticism? Hit us up on social media at @theblcklst.

This conversation was recorded in 2020. To learn more about The Black List, visit www.blcklst.com.

Mentions: 

+DESUS & MERO (Showtime): https://www.sho.com/desus-and-mero 

+God-Level Knowledge Darts: Life Lessons from the Bronx, https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/588771/god-level-knowledge-darts-by-desus-and-mero/ 

As Saturday Night Live kicked off a new season, writer and comedian Bowen Yang joined Kate and Franklin to talk about his Canadian upbringing, why Mean Girls made him fall in love with filmmaking, the real world consequences of political comedy, and so much more.

Questions? Comments? Criticism? Hit us up on social media at @theblcklst.

This conversation took place in 2021. Learn more about The Black List, visit www.blcklst.com.

Mentions: 

+Saturday Night Live: https://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live 

+Mean Girls: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/mean_girls 

The Black List partnered with Hulu to launch the inaugural Latinx List. Around the time it happened, it only made sense that Franklin and Kate talk to two of the initiative's chief architects: Gloria Calderón Kellett (One Day at a Time) and Tanya Saracho (Vida). The showrunners talk about how their friendship nurtures creativity, cultivating the next generation of Latinx talent, and so much more.

Questions? Comments? Criticism? Hit us up on social media at @theblcklst.

This conversation is from 2021. Kearn more about The Black List, visit www.blcklst.com.

Mentions: 

+Deadline, The Black List, Latin Tracking Board, NALIP, And Untitled Latinx Project Unveil Latinx TV List: https://deadline.com/2020/06/the-black-list-latin-tracking-board-nalip-remezcla-untitled-latinx-project-unveil-inaugural-latinx-tv-list-diversity-inclusion-representation-1202972696/ 

+One Day at a Time: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/one_day_at_a_time 

+Hollywood Reporter, ‘One Day at a Time,’ ‘Star Trek’ Sub for Returning Originals on CBS Fall Schedule: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/one-day-at-a-time-star-trek-sub-for-returning-originals-on-cbs-fall-schedule 

+Vida: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/vida 

+Variety, ‘Vida’ Creator Tanya Saracho Signs Overall Deal With UCP: https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/vida-tanya-saracho-overall-deal-ucp-1234740022/ 

Ahead of the 72nd Primetime Emmy Awards, Kate and Franklin talk to nominees Billy Porter, Robin Thede and Ramy Youssef. The creators sound off on bringing their full selves to the screen, the true responsibility of the artist, the advice they'd give to their younger selves (or as Billy says: “a b*tch has to have boundaries!”), and so much more. 

Questions? Comments? Criticism? Hit us up on social media at @theblcklst.

This conversation took place in To learn more about The Black List, visit www.blcklst.com.

Mentions: 

+Pose: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/pose 

+A Black Lady Sketch Show: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/a_black_lady_sketch_show 

+Ramy: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/ramy 

This week, screenwriter Steven Canals joins Kate and Franklin to talk about growing up in the Bronx, the glory of Cardi B, the origins of how his Emmy-nominated show Pose on FX came to be picked up, and so much more.

Questions? Comments? Criticism? Hit us up on social media at @theblcklst.

This conversation took place in 2021.To learn more about The Black List, visit www.blcklst.com.

Mentions: 

+Pose: fxnetworks.com/shows/pose

+Paris is Burning: rottentomatoes.com/m/paris_is_burning

+The Color Purple: rottentomatoes.com/m/color_purple

+Terminator: rottentomatoes.com/m/terminator

Screenwriters, this is the episode for you. Academy Award winner Akiva Goldsman (A Beautiful Mind, I, Robot, The Da Vinci Code screenplay, multiple Star Trek and Batman scripts, and more) joins Franklin and Kate to talk about his beginnings in Brooklyn, how his early family life influenced his writing career, and his memories of Joel Schumacher on the late 90s Batman films. Plus, the writing teachers he studied with at NYU (including Russell Banks, Margaret Atwood, E.L. Doctorow) and much more.

Questions? Comments? Criticism? Hit us up on social media at @theblcklst.

This conversation is from 2021. To learn more about The Black List, visit www.blcklst.com.

Mentions: 

+A Beautiful Mind: rottentomatoes.com/m/beautiful_mind

+Mr. and Mrs. Smith: rottentomatoes.com/m/mr_and_mrs_smith

+Batman & Robin: rottentomatoes.com/m/1077027_batman_and_robin

This week, playwright and screenwriter Jeremy O. Harris joins Kate and Franklin to talk about eliciting polarized audience reactions to Slave Play, his co-writing process with Janicza Bravo on Zola, being the youngest well-read person at parties, accessing the fascinating intersections of high and low culture, and so much more. 

Questions? Comments? Criticism? Hit us up on social media at @theblcklst.

This conversation took place in 2020. To learn more about The Black List, visit www.blcklst.com.

Mentions: 

+Slave Play: http://slaveplaybroadway.com

+Zola: http://rottentomatoes.com/m/zola

Understated, undersung, and overly easy to appreciate, director and actor Marielle Heller is this week's enjoyable guest. Heller talks about her beginnings in theatre, the realities of gender in filmmaking, directing the great Tom Hanks in A Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood, and so much more.

Questions? Comments? Criticism? Hit us up on social media at @theblcklst.

This conversation took place in 2020. To learn more about The Black List, visit www.blcklst.com.

Mentions (Heller's films) 

+Diary of a Teenage Girl: http://rottentomatoes.com/m/the_diary_of_a_teenage_girl

+Can You Ever Forgive Me?: http://rottentomatoes.com/m/can_you_ever_forgive_me

+A Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood: http://rottentomatoes.com/m/a_beautiful_day_in_the_neighborhood

You may know him as Jean-Ralphio from Parks and Rec, or the voice of Sonic the Hedgehod: Friend of The Black List family Ben Schwartz joins Kate and Franklin for an insanely funny conversation about his latest improv adventure on Middleditch and Schwartz, bringing Dewey to life in the DuckTales reboot, his new Netflix series, Space Force, and so much more. 

Questions? Comments? Criticism? Hit us up on social media at @theblcklst. This episode was originallyreleased in 2020

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Mentions: 

+Middleditch and Schwartz: http://www.netflix.com/title/81122572

+DuckTales: http://rottentomatoes.com/tv/ducktales

+Space Force: http://netflix.com/title/81021929

Be Water filmmaker Bao Nguyen joins Kate and Franklin to talk about bringing Bruce Lee to a new generation, his Saturday Night Live documentary, depictions of the Vietnam War on screen, and so much more. 

Questions? Comments? Criticism? Hit us up on social media at @theblcklst.

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Mentions: 

+Be Water: espn.com/mma/story/_/id/29249053/be-water-how-watch-stream-espn-bruce-lee-documentary 

+Live From New York!: rottentomatoes.com/m/live_from_new_york

What do the NBA, Chicago Bulls, and Michael Jordan have in common? Jason Hehir. This week, Franklin and Kate talk to The Last Dance director about getting Jordan to finally open up, documenting both hip-hop and the NBA’s rise to global prominence, humanizing his favorite sports icons, and so much more.

Questions? Comments? Criticism? Hit us up on social media at @theblcklst.

To learn more about The Black List, visit www.blcklst.com.

Mentions: 

+The Last Dance, netflix.com/gb/title/80203144

+ESPN: The Last Dance, espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29180083/the-last-dance-how-replay-stream-espn-michael-jordan-documentary

Film historian and cultural commentator Karina Longworth joins Franklin and Kate to talk about her love for Judy Garland, the imaginative world of Film Twitter, the then-current season of her podcast, You Must Remember This (all about Polly Platt!), and so much more.

Questions? Comments? Criticism? Hit us up on social media at @theblcklst.

This episode originally aired in 2020. To learn more about The Black List, visit www.blcklst.com.

Mentions: 

+You Must Remember This: http://youmustrememberthispodcast.com

On the eve of Independence Day weekend, Spike Lee joined Franklin and Kate to talk about narrative filmmaking, his longtime collaborators, and the movement for Black lives. From Do the Right Thing, to Malcolm X, to Bamboozled, to his ilm for Netflix, Da 5 Bloods, the trio talks about how culture talks to movies, and how movies talk back to the culture.

Questions? Comments? Criticism? Hit us up on social media at @theblcklst.

This episode first aired in mid-2020. To learn more about The Black List, visit www.blcklst.com.

Mentions: 

+Do The Right Thing: rottentomatoes.com/m/do_the_right_thing

+Malcom X: rottentomatoes.com/m/1042135-malcolm_x

+Bamboozled: rottentomatoes.com/m/bamboozled

+Da 5 Bloods: netflix.com/title/81045635

Writer and director of The Farewell, Lulu Wang, joins Kate and Franklin to talk about navigating the indie film marketplace, drawing inspiration from her classical piano training, streaming vs. theatrical distribution, and so much more.

Questions? Comments? Criticism? Hit us up on social media at @theblcklst.

This episode originally aired in 2020, behind a paywall. To learn more about The Black List, visit www.blcklst.com.

Mentions:

+The Farewell: rottentomatoes.com/m/the_farewell_2018

This week, Kate and Franklin talk to Birds of Prey director Cathy Yan about her practical approach to visual effects and combat, the Marvel vs. DC cinematic universe, her past life as a journalist, and so much more. 

Questions? Comments? Criticism? Hit us up on social media at @theblcklst.

This episode was originally published in 2020, behind a paywall. To learn more about The Black List, visit www.blcklst.com. 

Mentions:

+Birds of Prey: www.rottentomatoes.com/celebrity/cathy_yan

This week's guest is Alice Wu. The 2018 annual Black Lister talks to Franklin and Kate about her journey back into Hollywood as an Asian queer filmmaker, how Chinese language films shaped her love of cinema, remixing the teen romantic triangle movie with her film, The Half of It, and so much more.

Questions? Comments? Criticism? Hit us up on social media at @theblcklst.

This episode was originally published in 2020, behind a paywall. To learn more about The Black List, visit www.blcklst.com. 

Mentions:

+Saving Face: www.rottentomatoes.com/m/saving_face 

+The Half of It: www.netflix.com/title/81005150

This week is a special conversation with Franklin, Kate, and the one and only Janelle Monáe, star of season two of Amazon's Homecoming. The trio talk about how her music has informed her film career, her childhood memories of Steel Magnolias, seeing herself onscreen in Sister Act 2, and so much more.

Questions? Comments? Criticism? Hit us up on social media at @theblcklst.

This encore episode was originally published in 2020. To learn more about The Black List, visit www.blcklst.com. 

Mentions:

+Homecoming: https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B085SVBCBP/ref=atv_dp_share_cu_r 

+Steel Magnolias: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/steel_magnolias  

+Sister Act 2: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/sister_act_2_back_in_the_habit 

This week, actor Jay Ellis talks to Kate and Franklin about the Top Gun sequel in which he stars, how his perspective has changed as a new father, his Insecure directorial debut and so much more. 

Questions? Comments? Criticism? Hit us up on social media at @theblcklst.

This episode was originally published in 2020, behind a paywall. To learn more about The Black List, visit www.blcklst.com. 

Mentions:

+Insecure: https://www.hbo.com/insecure 

+Top Gun: https://shadowandact.com/new-top-gun-maverick-trailer-shows-at-jay-ellis-in-tom-cruise-sequel 

This week, Franklin and Kate are joined by activist, NYT bestselling author, and actor Gabrielle Union. The trio talk about 90s teen films (hello, Bring It On!), Gabrielle's love for Grease 2, depicting the evolving American family in her new children’s book, Welcome to the Party, and so much more.

Questions? Comments? Criticism? Hit us up on social media at @theblcklst.

To learn more about The Black List, visit www.blcklst.com. 

Mentions:

+Welcome to the Party: https://people.com/parents/gabrielle-union-welcome-to-the-party-cover/ 

+LA’s Finest: https://ew.com/tv/gabrielle-union-jessica-alba-las-finest-season-2-trailer/

+Grease 2: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/grease_2 

+Bring It On: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/bring_it_on 

Roxane Gay, NYT bestselling author and co-host of Luminary's Hear to Slay, talks to Franklin and Kate about her time writing Marvel comic books, representations of fat characters in media, her love for the Fast and Furious franchise, and so much more. 

Questions? Comments? Criticism? Hit us up on social media at @theblcklst.

To learn more about The Black List, visit www.blcklst.com. 

Mentions:

+Hear to Slay (on Luminary): https://luminary.link/MjGEtukE25

+Roxane Gay on writing for Marvel: https://time.com/4866569/roxane-gay-marvel-lumberjanes/

Franklin and Kate talk to comedy icon Ed Helms about his start with the Upright Citizens Brigade, working on The Daily Show during the George W. Bush Administration, his latest Netflix comedy, Coffee & Kareem, and so much more. 

Questions? Comments? Criticism? Hit us up on social media at @theblcklst.

To learn more about The Black List, visit www.blcklst.com. 

Mentions:

+Coffee & Kareem: https://www.netflix.com/title/80220009 

+Upright Citizens Brigade: https://ucbcomedy.com 

+The Daily Show: http://www.cc.com/shows/the-daily-show-with-trevor-noah

While Kate and Franklin remain hunkered down below the Hollywood sign, filmmaker Alan Yang joins the show to talk about his journey from Parks and Recreation to Master of None, developing a character-based approach to comedy, his latest film, Tigertail (Netflix), and so much more. 

Episode originally published in 2020. Questions? Comments? Criticism? Hit us up on social media at @theblcklst.

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Mentions:

+Tigertail: https://www.netflix.com/title/80202958

+Little America: https://deadline.com/2018/06/apple-little-america-immigrant-anthology-series-the-big-sick-writers-lee-eisenberg-alan-yang-1202413632/

+Master of None: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/master_of_none/s01

+Parks and Recreation: https://www.nbc.com/parks-and-recreation

This week, Franklin and Kate talk to filmmakers Jordan Horowitz and Julia Hart about La La Land and that wild 2017 Oscars night mixup, bringing Black women superheroes to life in Fast Color, working together as a couple, and so much more.

Questions? Comments? Criticism? Hit us up on social media at @theblcklst. To learn more about The Black List, visit ​www.blcklst.com​.

Mentions:

+La La Land x Oscars mixup: https://www.forbes.com/sites/natalierobehmed/2017/02/27/the-full-story-behind-the-la-la-land-an d-moonlight-oscars-mix-up/#419bc6d42298

+Fast Color: https://www.newyorker.com/culture/the-front-row/fast-color-reviewed-a-superhero-movie-that-pa ys-close-attention-to-ordinary-life

+Miss Stevens: ​https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/miss_stevens

+The Keeping Room: https://www.fastcompany.com/3051556/the-keeping-room-star-brit-marling-and-writer-julia-hart- on-making-a-feminist-western

+Stargirl: ​https://ew.com/movies/stargirl-director-julia-hart-disney-plus/ 

[Originally released for subscribers only in 2020]

This week, Franklin and Kate talk to 2016 annual Black Lister and screenwriter Liz Hannah about the origin story of her debut film The Post, writing across genres, depicting "the gray area of mental health" onscreen, and so much more.

Originally published in 2020. Questions? Comments? Criticism? Hit us up on social media at @theblcklst.

To learn more about The Black List, visit www.blcklst.com. 

Mentions:

+The Post: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_post

+Long Shot: https://www.lionsgate.com/movies/long-shot

+Mindhunter (Netflix): https://www.netflix.com/title/80114855

+All the Bright Places (Netflix): https://www.netflix.com/title/80208802

Insecure showrunner Prentice Penny joins Kate and Franklin to talk about Brooklyn Nine-Nine, working with Issa Rae, being inspired by Spike Lee, and presenting a different type of father-son relationship in his film, Uncorked (Netflix).

Episode originally published in 2020. Questions? Comments? Criticism? Hit us up on social media at @theblcklst.

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Mentions:

+Uncorked review and trailer, in Food and Wine magazine: https://www.foodandwine.com/news/netflix-uncorked-trailer-release 

+Insecure: on HBO: https://www.hbo.com/insecure

Franklin and Kate kick off The Black List Podcast with filmmaker and actor Paul Feig (@paulfeig) to discuss the 20th anniversary of Freaks and Geeks, his very first film; what makes a great comedy, and so much more. A classic episode from 2020. Questions? Comments? Criticism? Hit us up on social media at @theblcklst.

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The prolific screenwriter Charlie Kaufman discusses some of the diverse and notable projects of his career, starting with his early days as a staff writer for shows like Get A Life, and The Dana Carvey Show. He also recounts the unbelievable, and ultimately life-changing story of his screenplay for Being John Malkovich, a film that nobody initially wanted to make. Franklin and Kate dive with Charlie into the continued fan love for Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (for which Kaufman won a writing Oscar), the reactions they all have to Adaptation, and wrap up with a discussion of the Jessie Buckley/Jesse Plemons film I'm Thinking of Ending Things, and so much more. 

Questions? Comments? Criticism? Hit us up on social media at @theblcklst.

This conversation took place during 2020. To learn more about The Black List, visit www.blcklst.com.

Mentions: 

• I’m Thinking of Ending Things: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/im_thinking_of_ending_things 
• Get A Life: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/get_a_life  
• Being John Malkovich: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/being_john_malkovich 
• Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/eternal_sunshine_of_the_spotless_mind 
• Antkind: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/546823/antkind-by-charlie-kaufman/ 

Comedy actor-writer--and ceramics designer (who knew?) Seth Rogen talks about the legacy of Freaks and Geeks, his writing process with longtime collaborator Evan Goldberg, becoming one of Hollywood’s leading men, his advocacy for cannabis and Alzheimer’s prevention, and so much more. 

Questions? Comments? Criticism? Hit us up on social media at @theblcklst.

This conversation took place in 2020. To learn more about The Black List, visit www.blcklst.com.

Mentions: 

• Freaks and Geeks: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/freaks_and_geeks 
• Houseplant: https://www.houseplant.com 
• Hilarity for Charity: https://wearehfc.org 

This week, award-winning journalist Soledad O'Brien joins Franklin for a conversation about growing up Black, her approach to documentary filmmaking, the state of journalism in the Trump era, and so much more. (And guess what? Soledad is the host of another Luminary original, Murder on the Towpath.) 

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To learn more about The Black List, visit www.blcklst.com.

Mentions:

+New York Times, Soledad O'Brien: A Me Too Movement for Journalists of Color, www.nytimes.com/2020/07/04/opinion/soledad-obrien-racism-journalism.html

+Black in America: http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/in.america/black.in.america/

+Latino in America: http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2009/latino.in.america/  

Netflix's Russian Doll co-creator Leslye Headland talks to Franklin and Kate about her fascinating take on The Shining, writing for the quirky FX drama Terriers, challenging the overwhelming white maleness of the cinematic canon, and so much more.  

Questions? Comments? Criticism? Hit us up on social media at @theblcklst.

To learn more about The Black List, visit www.blcklst.com. This episode was originally published behind a paywall in 2020.

Mentions:

+Russian Doll: https://www.netflix.com/title/80211627  

+The Shining: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/shining  

+Terriers: https://www.fxnetworks.com/shows/terriers