The Color Authority™

This is quite the unusual podcast for me.. as for the first time I am being interviewed myself by Keith Recker who beseeched, almost begged me to let the TCA fans get to know me better by turning the tables and allowing myself to be the interviewee. This fun conversation gives some insights into the mysterious world of color forecasting and its future, how you may identify color for clients and their brand but most importantly, what color can do for you on a personal level once you learn how to work with it. Color is life, color is emotion and above all, it is power. 

Judith was born in 1981 in the countryside of The Netherlands. She moved to the urban environment of The Hague for her studies at the age of 17. At 28, when she moved to Milan, she fulfilled a lifelong dream of living in Italy. She still lives there, a participant in the vibrant unfolding of color and design-thinking in one of the world’s creativity capitols. 

Her initial dive into color came in her first job as Product Planning Specialist at Kawasaki Motors, where she was the only European and the only woman on Kawasaki’s Japan-based design team. Later, she served as Senior Color Designer at Avient ColorWorks, which designs innovative and increasingly sustainable polymer-based colorants to the manufacturing sector and was Creative Director of ColorForward, a global color forecasting guide. These positions allowed her to travel the world to present social and consumer color intelligence to cross-industry professionals, designers and marketers.

Today she is captain of her own ship as founder and color intelligence provider at The Color Authority. She’s also vice president of membership of the Color Marketing Group, where she’s been very active for over fifteen years in positions including president and member of the executive committee.

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Who was I born to be? That is the question we need to ask ourselves, less so, what is my life mission. Mark Wentworth will talk about how we all are born into a particular color and how that sets our natural path. An intriguing conversation about Mark his methodology called PsychoDynamics and how he brings people back to themselves as we all seem to have lost ourselves a little bit in this chaotic world. Why was the pandemic indigo and what is the color of 2023? 

Mark Wentworth has been studying and working with the healing power of colour for 35 years. He is the founder and principal of Colour for Life, and creator of the Colour Psychodynamics® methodology, both offering life-enhancing methods integrating colour therapy with the collective and visionary worlds of depth psychology and expressive arts. He is the author of Add a Little Colour to Your Life which has been translated into 8 languages. Mark lives in the UK as well as travelling around the world sharing and teaching his love of colour. 

As well as being a guest on numerous TV and Radio shows and interviewed by various magazines and newspapers throughout the world, Mark is also a brand ambassador for Valspar Paint UK, and a Visiting Practitioner for SixSenses Spas and Resorts. 

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How did a Dutch fashion stylist end up in the Milan and how does she mix her northern upbringing and style with the Italian? Ellen tells her story through her styling work around the world using color, fabric and texture to create luxurious yet cool stylings. She loves mystery which can clearly be seen through her work for Vogue Arabia. Ellen explains what intrigues her so much about fashion and how color fits into that world. 

Ellen Mirck is a Dutch Fashion Stylist and sustainable editor based in Milan. She does fashion styling,  art direction and brand consultancy. She is contributing editor of Vogue Arabia and also collaborates with magazines such as Vogue Brazil, Lampoon, Numerò Netherlands, Tank and Cap74094. 

Her clients are Burberry, Max Mara, Hogan, Pomellato, Moncler, Ermenegildo Zegna, Fay, Tommy Hilfiger, Bvlgari, Converse, Benetton, Tod's, Bally, Palm Angels and many more.
Ellen used to live in London and work for Alexander McQueen and Hermès. She studied Economy in the Netherlands and graduated Cum Laude in Fashion Styling at Marangoni Milan. In her work she instinctively pairs the clean, graphic lines from Northern Europe with the warmth and a certain dramatic flair found in the South. She finds the precious in the details with interesting, nature- inspired textures. As a Stylist and Art Director, she'd say she more of a storyteller, really getting into the mind of the client to translate their vision and vivid imagination that might be slumbering underneath the surface. Ellen enjoys clothes, the beauty of them, but also believes in wearing your values.

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Bethan talks about her many inspirations deriving from spending time in different countries while travelling. She explains how she lets color speak to her designs and patterns while explaining the design processes of her latest creations. Her love for Mexico strongly comes forward in the conversation and how the Mexican color palette has influenced her work. Bethan has always had an interest in the relation between people and the object and how she can reinforce that relation through time, and of course, color. 

Bethan Laura Wood has run a multidisciplinary studio since 2009 characterised by materials investigation, artisan collaboration and a passion for colour and detail. Residencies and location-based projects have become an important factor in her design process, often working in response to her location, in collaboration with local manufacturers, or reflecting back into her work the visual and material culture particular to that area. Bethan is fascinated by the connections we make with the everyday objects that surround us and, as a collector herself, likes to explore what drives people to hold onto one particular object while discarding another. Bethan explores these relationships and questions how they might become cultural conduits. She is interested in critical approaches to achieving sustainability within mass consumption and the production-driven context of the design industry.

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Keith Recker is a color poet and you will hear that immediately when listening to this conversation, even if it's not all roses we talk about. Keith does not refrain from talking about how color continues to create political and social divides and often triggers consumers into buying promises not kept by brands. The mission of his latest book Deep Color is to indeed reveal the misperceptions on color and to disclose the truth about each color in the spectrum.  Not all that is white is clean, simple and pure.. 

Keith Recker brings 35 years of adventuresome, insightful, multicultural experience in marketing, merchandising, trend and color forecasting, and content development to his role as Editor in Chief and Co-Owner of TABLE Magazine. With strong roots in food and drink, TABLE also explores travel, interior design, fashion and jewelry, and other facets of modern living, in both print and digital formats. 

Recker is the founder and editor of HAND/EYE Magazine, a print and online publication whose 10 issues cultivated a global following. The magazine profiles forward-looking creators, faraway cultures, ancient craft traditions, and cutting-edge design.  HAND/EYE saw humankind’s creative future as handmade, which demands attention the struggle of artisans to earn decent livelihoods through preservation of ancient traditions, innovation of new ones, exploration of new markets, and educating the consuming public about the cultural and economic importance of their work. HAND/EYE is on a pause right now, but ripe for rebirth.

Recker is also a trend and color forecaster whose almost 20-year client list includes global influencers Pantone, WGSN, Stylus, Color Association of the United States (CAUS), and more. For 16 years, Recker has been creative director of Pantone’s annual home publication, PANTONE View Home. For eight years he was on WGSN’s global trend and color team. He serves on the CAUS home forecasting committee.

The revised second edition of his book, True Colors: World Masters of Natural Dyes and Pigments (Thrums Books) was released in September 2020, with chapters already excerpted in London-based Selvedge Magazine, NY Textile Month Journal, and reviewed in many more, including Metropolis. He is co-author of PANTONE: The Twentieth Century in Color (Chronicle, 2012), published in eight languages. His new book, Deep Color: The Shades That Shape Our Souls, debuts in September 2022.  His writing on color and culture has been published by the Studio Museum of Harlem (catalog essay about Stephen Burks), Museum of Art and Design (catalog essay about African craft and its messages about the future), Brooklyn Rail (comparing the work of potter Alex Matisse with the performance work of Marina Abramovic), The Santa Fe New Mexican, and more.

He has also worked in the non-profit world as a director of consumer marketing at CARE International and executive director at Aid to Artisans (as well as a board member and volunteer for 22 years). Through his involvement with Aid to Artisans, he has worked side by side with artisans from 50 countries. He has served on the boards of Art in General, Chez Bushwick, as founding chair of The Quiet in the Land (a project which brought leading contemporary artists into communities in the developing world) , and the Interna

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Shashi Caan talks about the cultural color differences among the three continents that she has lived on, the application of color in architecture and her life mission to increase human betterment through color and design in the world.  From generation gaps to the main design principles to futurist thinking, Shashi Caan her passion for her profession sparks through the entire conversation. Shashi is all about collaboration and understanding what is going on in the world to find solutions to today's problems. 

Shashi Caan is a distinguished thought leader for architectural design internationally. As a practitioner, design educator and author, her dedication to furthering human betterment through and by design is reflected in her 30- year design career. Co-founder and leader of THE SC COLLECTIVE (2002), the inventively structured firm, Shashi is also the Co- founder and President of Globally We Design – GloWD (2015), an independent design futures think thank, through which her ReDesignEd Educators Forum facilitated the Universal Design Education Charter in 2018 and The Johannesburg Declaration in 2019. Shashi was formerly Associate Partner and Design Director with Skidmore, Owings and Merrill (SOM), in New York and Chair of the Interior Design Department at Parsons, the New School for Design. In her service to industry capacity, Shashi also serves as Chief Executive Officer on the Executive Committee of International Federation of Interior Architects/Designers (IFI) Executive Board. She is a former two-term President for the International Federation of Interior Architects/Designers (IFI) and has been recognized as a Fellow of the IFI and Fellow of Royal Society of the Arts, UK. She holds honorary fellowships from the Australian Institute of Designers, the British Institute of Interior Design, as well as the American Society of Interior Design. Amongst others, her past volunteer and executive board level service includes the US International Interior Design Association (IIDA) , NY’s Interiors Committee of the American Institute of Architects (AIA), and the United Nations Association (UNA). She was Contract Magazine’s US Designer of the Year (2004), granted the Golden Seat Architectural Master Award of China (2012), and appointed JDP Design Ambassador to Japan (2013), this amongst her many awards and accolades for design projects and design leadership across the world. With countless published writings, her seminal book, Rethinking Design and Interiors: Human Beings in the Built Environment (2011), has been translated into multiple languages. 

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What is Color? A question I ask all my guests on the podcast and the variety of answers has been amazing. It is such a basic question yet perhaps so hard to answer as color is such a complex topic and can have so many different meanings. Listen back to what my guests replied to this important question over the past year from their own perspectives working in design, architecture, science, food and psychology. 

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Patti Carpenter will talk color trends as she travels the world to places that inspire her. Actually, it is not the places that inspire her, it's the indigenous and how they work color in their artisan products from which we all can learn so much. Patti talks about what really keeps her going, her work in artisan development in countries around the world and her desire to bring more diversity to the world of design. From high Fashion to doing what truly matters to her, helping and supporting other creatives globally and bringing back the value of true artisan development. That is Patti. 

Patti is Principal of carpenter + company and an award- winning Designer in globally sourced home décor, accessories, fragrance and gifts, with experience in product design and development, merchandising and color + trend forecasting. As a Micro-Enterprise specialist with U.S. presidential recognition for domestic and international expertise in artisan development, small producer and entrepreneurial training and economic development  she has designed and sourced Private Label collections for Bloomingdales, Neiman Marcus, Crate & Barrel, The Phillips Collection, ABC Carpet and Home, Donna Karan Urban Zen and Ralph Lauren. She has worked in 57 countries. Patti is an expert in Color + Trend research and forecasting and consults with Pantone. She is the Global Trend Ambassador for Maison & Objet, Paris. She is an active board member of SERRV International-one of the founding organizations of the World Fair Trade Organization (WFTO), BADG (Black Artists and Designer Guild), The High School of Fashion Industries and The Bienenstock Furniture Library, as well as the co-founder of the Kaleidoscope Project. Patti is also the recipient of the  Gift For Life Industry Achievement Award for 2021 and the Withit Industry Leadership Award for 2021 for the Kaleidoscope Project.

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In this episode you may learn how to rationalise your color choices through data and statistics, a requirement ever more important when working with large businesses. Anat Lechner will explain how she ended up in the world of color and how her business perspective on color helps the creative industry today.  Anat believes we need to first understand color before we can apply it, let alone use it to drive business decisions. Her company Huedata gives you the necessary background information to make well-informed color choices based on true market data. 

Anat Lechner, PhD, is a Professor of Business Management at the Stern School of Business, New York University where she focuses on disruptive leadership, innovation, and strategic change. She’s also the founder of Huedata Inc., a color intelligence company. A former Research Fellow at McKinsey & Co. Dr. Lechner has advised to global Fortune 100 firms in the Financial Services, Pharmaceuticals, Chemicals, Energy, Food, High Tech, Design and Retail industries. She’s had numerous appearances on the NYT, WSJ, BBC, ABC, Forbes and other premier global media outlets Anat holds an MBA and a PhD in Organization Management from Rutgers University, NJ.

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In this candid conversation I will talk with Sara Forsmark about the great challenges of creating a global color vision for the sports performance brand Adidas. How does she incorporate topics such as sustainability and inclusivity in her colourful work? Print and pattern is key in the world of apparel and footwear, how are they materialised in color visions? Sara is a fervent color advocate but even more so when it comes to debunking color perceptions and concepts, let's listen which ones nerve her the most. 
 
Sara Forsmark is a creative who navigates and transforms the complex world of color into future forward color concepts and visions.

For Sara, color is beauty and currency; for life, humanity, design, brands and business. With color at the core, her ambition is to be a strong voice for color by creating awareness of all its qualities; as a creator of aesthetic experiences, to shaping meaningful connections between brand, culture and its audiences, and beyond.

With a big picture view, she contextualises worldly movements and growing disruptive shifts into brand relevant color insights and content; and fuses creativity with science; to craft, drive and lead way for new authentic and purposeful color expressions and stories; that speaks brand, debunks aesthetic norms and provokes emotion towards a better and different tomorrow.

Her work experiences span across a diverse range of categories and brands, a journey that started at agencies creating CMF designs for clients as LG, Hewlett-Packard and Bowers & Wilkins, before moving into the world of sports, shaping and steering brand global creative visions for color at adidas. A color design role she currently holds in the adidas Global Creative Direction team.

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Founders of Certosa Initiative Margriet Vollenberg and Remi Versteeg will reveal why they are going to be the talk of Milan Design Week in this exclusive podcast interview. How is color influencing this years' Milan Design Week and how did it influence the installations at Certosa? What are the innovations we can expect in materials, design while tapping into our multiple senses? How is combining color ever more so important and what role does the absence of color play in todays' design?

Beyond Space, architects with a distinct focus on delicate interiors and grand-scale transformations, bundle forces with Organisation in Design, makers of Ventura Projects and instrumental in breathing new life into rediscovered districts of Milan. Brought together by a deeply shared passion for design, their complementary track records make them a natural match to move the crowds into the up-and-coming Certosa District. In the face of turbulent times and on such short notice, the team sees itself floated by the sheer energy of the historical moment of resuscitation and is poised to make the Certosa Initiative the Talk of the town during the 2022 Milan Design Week. 

Remi Versteeg is equal parts architect and entrepreneur. He founded his first company back in 2002 (many were to follow) and obtained his degree in architecture from Delft University. In 2016, he co-founded office for architecture Space Encounters. In 2021, he co-founded Beyond Space together with Stijn de Weerd. Remi is driven to innovate and always seeks to combine diverse perspectives to forge new connections and lead him down roads less traveled. 

Margriet Vollenberg is an entrepreneur and a professional in the global field of design and has over twenty years’ experience in the design industry. Margriet, founder of Organisation in Design and founder & art director of Ventura Projects, has got a grand sense of adventure on the one hand and the prudence to do business wisely on the other. She is a graduate designer who studied at the Design Academy in Eindhoven under Lidewij Edelkoort. Her company Organisation in Design (started 2005) provides clients with services design strategies, consultancy, and art direction. For 11 years she was driving force behind the successful design events Ventura Projects in Milan, Dubai, New York, and many other places all around the world.

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Before getting into the Crypto Art topic, Bruno gives a quick guide through the hot topic of metaverses, NFT's and how one can be part of the digital world. He also debunks some misperceptions that quickly had risen within the first year of the very existence of this new reality.  While Bruno reveals his main inspirations within the Crypto Art movement, how he selects artists for his exhibitions and which artists are currently hot, he has a direct call to action to the creative community as the digital world is in great need of creative input. Listen to our interview and find out why color creatives are so necessary at this early stage of this new movement and what future role color has in this digital world. 

Bruno Pitzalis is a Crypto Art expert, curator and sale advisor. In June 2021 he conceived and coordinated "Dystopian Visions", the first Crypto Art NFT auction in Italy for the Cambi auction house in partnership with SuperRare. Thanks to his twenty years experience of working in the field of communication and documentary direction, he has developed a peculiar vision and strategy for the creation of applied value. He currently holds the role of Communications and Brand Awareness at MoCDA (Museum of Contemporary Digital Art), head of MoCDA - The Foundry, cultural populariser of the Crypto Art scene, he is collector and collaborator of Artribune and has a column on Crypto Art.

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If you are not yet a color enthusiast, you will once listening to this joyful episode with ambassador of color, Marianne Shillingford. Marianne will reveal what role color trends play in decoration and how you can apply color to enhance wellness in people's lives. As Founder of the Colour Design Awards she is now planning for the next event in June this year. Marianne furthermore explains how her search for emerging design talent comes about and what she believes is true color innovation. 

Marianne Shillingford has over 30 years of experience in the interiors industry as a decorating and colour expert. As Creative Director of Dulux at Akzonobel she works closely with many creative disciplines from designers, architects and professional decorators to global colour experts and of course the Dulux Dog. She is a passionate expert and skilled communicator with experience in TV, radio and journalism. Marianne is also the founder of the Colour in Design Awards, which recognises and rewards outstanding use of colour in design by emerging creative talent.

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What is it like to be a black female artist today, who is the modern African woman behind the colourful CAMO series and where does she get her inspiration? Thandiwe Muriu will explains the importance of African storytelling, the diversity of the patterns and colors she works with and how she advocates for female empowerment. We talk about self-perception, the struggles of being a female photographer in Kenya and how her family upbringing still inspires her in her daily work. How does Thandiwe mix the best of two worlds, her Kenyan rooted heritage and the opportunities modern Africa has to offer? 
Thandiwe Muriu is a self-taught photographer born and raised in Nairobi, Kenya. Pursing photography from an early age, she is passionate about helping brands communicate through photography so they can get their message across in ways that will not only keep their audiences engaged but, also help them get the desired response.

Over the years, she has developed a particular interest in showcasing Africa’s unique mix of vibrant cultures, colour and people. Through her personal work she celebrates her African heritage and tackles important issues such as identity and self-perception using the rich colours and vibrancy the continent is so well know for. Thandiwe’s signature style is colourful, clean and bold.

She currently resides in Nairobi, Kenya where she teaches workshops and regularly travels for assignments.

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Together with Formafantasma's Simone Farresin we talk about GEO-Design, the design of the future, what design skills are increasingly important and how the two designers are trying to create awareness about true sustainable design and more importantly, bringing along solutions to businesses that can create the much-needed change in design thinking. What role does color play in this new era of design? Lastly but not least how can smell influence new design thinking?

Formafantasma is a research-based design studio investigating the ecological, historical, political and social forces shaping the discipline of design today. Whether designing for a client or developing self – initiated projects, the studio applies the same rigorous attention to context, processes and details. Formafantasma’s analytical nature translates in meticulous visual outcomes, products and strategies.

Since founding the studio in 2009, Italians Andrea Trimarchi and Simone Farresin have championed the need for value – laden advocacy merged with holistic design thinking. Their aim is to facilitate a deeper understanding of both our natural and built environments and to propose transformative interventions through design and its material, technical, social, and discursive possibilities.

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Get yourself a cup of tea and a comfortable seat as you are about to listen to an exciting whirlwind of information on trends, fashion, textiles and of course color! David and I will talk about which trends were accelerated by the pandemic and which color directions will be key for the upcoming years. In this fast conversation we will talk about the future of fashion, health and merchandising in a world where supplies are short and consumers want comfort. David will also touch upon how the meta verse is influencing society and how it will bring color to a next level.

Publisher at Metropolitan Publishing BV (Textile View, Viewpoint Colour, PantoneView Colour Planner, Pantone Colour InstituteTrendhouse Kids, Trendhouse Youth Lifestyle and Trendhouse Casual/Athleisure). He is and has been a consultant working on design and marketing developments with many leading apparel and industrial companies, ranging from fashion to automotive. He is renowned for his speeches around the world on social and design trends. David has been visiting professor at the Royal College of Arts, London examining MA students in textiles as well as Associate Professor at ARTez, Arnhem the Netherlands, for the course on branding and marketing and Associate Professor at Renmin University, Beijing. He is also a peer member for the CBI Ministry of Foreign Affairs in the Netherlands and is often called as an expert witness in legal matters.

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Synesthesia has been a much discussed topic among color professionals and finally I got the chance to interview Julia Hamilton, an artist who uses her condition for her daily creativity. As Julia listens to music, she draws inspiration from the lyrics and sounds for the colors for her paintings. Julia not only sees colors when she listens to music, she also sees colors in letters and numbers. During this episode we will in depth discuss her experiences as a synesthete. Forget all logic you learned in color psychology and science, this is a very different episode on color!

Julia Hamilton enjoys creating intricate line drawings, mixed media paintings, and physical digital installations in her hometown of Columbus, Ohio. She has loved creating art since childhood.  After graduating from high school, Hamilton attended University of Cincinnati, majoring in Fine Art. She soon became disillusioned with art school, switching to Information Technology (IT). She graduated with a bachelor degree in Computer Science and has enjoyed a lengthy, successful career working in IT, all the while keeping her artwork as her true passion and stabilizing foundation. In 2017, Hamilton was able to make art her full-time profession, fulfilling a lifelong dream. She continues to work in IT but only part-time, allowing her to make her art practice her primary focus. In 2019, Hamilton received her Master of Fine Arts from Columbus College of Art & Design. During her graduate studies, she learned how to make physical digital installation pieces using new technology. 

 Currently, Hamilton continues making mixed paintings physical digital installations. She continues taking inspiration from her synesthesia and science. In 2020, she began working on a body of pandemic-themed work, which explores the ways our lives have changed in recent months. 

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In this very frank conversation with Stefan Ytterborn we talk about the future of mobility and the importance of transparency within the motorcycle industry but above all his electric motorcycle brand Cake. Stefan has spear-headed multiple successful companies that all were purpose driven, where does he get his inspiration and how does he know when the time is right to set-up a new innovative business? As a rather new entry into the conservative industry, Stefan mentions the challenges he faces to produce the lightest electric motorcycle in the market without making compromises on the selection of materials, finishes and colors while taking into account a zero emission option in the near future.  And last but not least, what is next for Cake? Listen to our conversation and find out his love for roses but yes also a bowl of coloured M&M's. 

Stefan Ytterborn has a long background as entrepreneur, promoter, and strategist within contemporary and industrial design and communication, covering all segments of the value chain when being responsible for developing more than 2,000 consumer products, my current work combines previous experiences with interests that matter to me and that I am passionate about. 

His latest venture is Cake, an exciting ride on the journey towards a zero emission society. The company develops high-performance electric off-road motorbikes, launching in 2017. 

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Piet is famous for his reclaimed design that travels the world and during my interview with him he reveals in detail his design philosophy, his view on sustainable design and how he selects colors while using the materials that he is surrounded by. How did his Dutch upbringing influence his designs and how come he works in an opposite manner as the rest of the world, never knowing what the end result of his designs will be like? Listen to our talk and find out also who was the main inspiration for his new paint color range! 

Piet Hein Eek was born in the Netherlands in 1967. He graduated from the Academy for Industrial Design in Eindhoven in 1990. While at the Academy, he gained attention for his exam project “Scrap Wood Cupboards”. He sold all of the cupboards and used the money to start his own design studio in 1992. The following year he went into partnership with fellow designer Nob Ruijrok, establishing Eek en Ruijgrok v.o.f. Today, they continue to work in a 10.000 square meter multi-purpose space in Eindhoven, which includes a restaurant, a shop, a gallery, a showroom, and a studio.

Piet Hein Eek has built his business around old materials, saving discarded pieces of wood and working outside the circuit of mass production. His instantly recognisable work considers the tension between modernity and tradition, waste and sustainability. Piet Hein Eek’s work is sold in numerous galleries worldwide.

He has exhibited at venues like the Museum of Modern Art, New York and the Milan Furniture Fair, Italy.

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How can color heal your past traumas? How can you use color to use your full potential and what do your color choices reveal about you? In this episode I will talk to Thelma van der Werff who's life mission is to heal people through color and help them get to their next step in life. In order to prepare for this interview, I had a private session with Thelma of which we will reveal some interesting findings and the first effects her work had on my life so far.  This talk truly reveals the power of color and how it can bring along true change in our lives. 

Thelma created her Colour Comfort Method from her desire to make the psychology of colour part of everyday life. She analyses the colours people commonly wear and use to reveal their hidden talents and potential, while identifying and reprogramming unwanted behaviour, thought patterns and feelings. She also co-created Colournostics, a coaching tool that uses a combination of psychology of colour and NLP.  She has developed an online course about the psychology of colour, and regularly speaks at events, where people are constantly amazed with the accuracy of the information that their colour choices reveal. At the moment she is the President of the International Light Association, a platform for experts, practitioners and manufacturers who use light, colour or sound for health and wellness. 

Born Dutch she now lives in Auckland, New Zealand. 

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As first scientist on the podcast, Carmel invites the audience to look beyond color and design and broaden our perceptions as she explains how color connects to other senses such as taste and smell. Carmel will reveal why humans are so keen in connecting multiple senses and what the future is for multisensory experiences. She will talk in detail about her research in the field of cognitive sciences and how our food experiences in particular are influenced by many different aspects. Which colors indicate which of the five tastes? What is synesthesia and how many different types of this neurological condition exist? This episode brings color to a whole other level. 

Carmel Levitan is a Professor of Cognitive Science at Occidental College, in Los Angeles, California. Carmel received her PhD in Bioengineering from UC San Francisco and UC Berkeley, and was a postdoctoral researcher in Experimental Psychology at the University of Oxford. Carmel’s main area of research expertise is multi sensory perception, focusing on how the senses interact and how factors such as culture, emotions, and expectations mediate associations within and across the senses. Carmel welcomes the opportunity to connect with scientists and artists across the world.

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Olga will reveal how she transforms spaces with their unique energy into a home for her clients, the importance of feeling a space, an aesthetic, a textile, a color before starting a project. Why is color so important in her life and how does she apply color in her interiors? How does the world of art influence her work and how did her love for art start? Listen to our talk and learn about Olga her rich heritage growing up in Mexico City and how its culture and folklore influences Olga her color choices for her projects. 

Olga Hanono is a Mexican-born designer with a traditional cultural upbringing and deep passion for aesthetics, beautiful objects, and space. Her charismatic and playful personality comes through her original designs that are no subject to rules or limitations. She transforms every space into an unusual adventure. 

Olga has a natural affinity with art and her projects are a combination of uniqueness and glamour, setting trends in the design world and attracting numerous awards (she has been referred to as the IT Designer, the rock star of design and the 2017 designer revelation). Hanono has her own brand textiles and wallpaper collection. She loves exploring new materials and novel/alternative solutions for creating a space: mixing patterns, colors, textures and following her intuition to create interiors of the highest standard and taste, incorporating carefully curated objects and art. She published “the art of beautiful living” by the prestigious publisher ASSOULINE, she offered a press conference at the national palace Bellas Artes in Mexico City and at the Four Seasons Hotel in New York City. 

HAPPINESS is her major motto and she embrace it with creative solutions aimed at a luxury lifestyle.

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As a great storyteller, Mark takes us all on a journey of color aha moments, color misperceptions and some color stories that marked his career. We will talk about getting the color right for a client as he reveals some interesting tactics. As a writer, he is very much involved in naming and describing color, an intriguing process that is more demanding as it may seem at first yet very fun! 

Mark Woodman, a passionate designer, trend-spotter, educator, writer and speaker, designs interiors, consults on diverse product lines, and contributes to the pages and airwaves of media, and the stages of international exhibitions.

Mark consults for individuals and international corporations. including Corian® Design, Mid-Mark, Canadian Tire’s Premier Paint Collection, Blackfin Realty, and more. Mark Woodman’s aesthetic understanding as an interior designer of “real-life” balances his approach to design, color, and product specification. He is former president of Color Marketing Group, serves on various color panels, and is an accredited CEU educator.

A spirited speaker, Mark frequently lectures on color and design and his unique perspective allows him to weave narratives and solutions of design and color from influences as diverse as cuisine and fashion, to home décor.  

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Her sensitive character clearly comes forward in our conversation as Pavo explains how she picks up sensitivities in her direct environment, how she observes her own behaviour and feelings to understand which design direction to take. She will reveal how she picks the colors for her designs and how texture and fabric come into play.  What advise does she have for young fashion designers, how does Pavo translate her fantasy-like dreams into a wearable collection, what is it like to work with your family day in and out and what is next for the Mexican world of fashion? 

Pavo and Pamela Wong are the bright entrepreneurs behind the Mexican ready-to-wear fashion brand PINK MAGNOLIA.

It was Pavo, the creative dreamer, who began sewing custom designs during college (CENTRO) and selling them at the first Pink Magnolia small store in Polanco, Mexico City. At only 21 years old, Pavo quickly found herself with a growing reputation and a demand for her eye catching clothing and silhouettes. Not long after, she convinced her sister Pamela to step into a business advisory role, cementing the perfect balance and family legacy.

From there, a succession of opportunities came in the form of a Mercedes Benz Fashion Week runway invitation (one of many), and highly successful collaborations with Disney (like Lanvin, Pink Magnolia was tapped to design a wardrobe in honor of Minnie Mouse’s birthday), and Barbie; propelling the Pink Magnolia brand to global status.

With recent features in WWD, Vogue Mexico & Latin America, Marie Claire Hong Kong, and a spot amongst Forbes Magazine’s “Under 30 Rising Stars,” Pink Magnolia is forging a path for the woman who shines inside and out.

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Gustavo is one of these persons that strongly believes in the fact that color can enact change for the good. In our talk we will talk about the colors of the LGBTQIA+ spectrum and how his latest campaign for June Pride month and now Pride History month had inspired him and his team. He will talk about the great social difficulties in Latin America and how he believes that color can create community, awareness and even empathy. From the March 8th purple coloured protests for women rights in Mexico City to the green coloured scarf movement in Buenos Aires for the legalisation of abortion, color is definitely assisting us in creating change. 

Gustavo Castillo is Partner and Creative Director of Estudio CH; a multidisciplinary creative agency part of the Coolhuntermx group, focused on developing brand identities, conceptualisation, execution of experience design and the generation of multimedia content.

Working with accounts in Mexico, Latin America and Europe, such as Comex, Adidas, Reebok, Johnny Walker, Bombay, as well as clients with local and national emerging products. Gustavo has more than 10 years of experience in the creative industry. 

His restlessness has led him to diversify and work in other disciplines such as creative direction for streetwear brands and restaurants, art installation (Carnaval de Bahidorá 2020), and most recently the cinematographic direction of the documentary Generación Espontánea.

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Ramon Morató is the first person on my podcast who is not a color expert or a designer, yet his creativity in the world of chocolate and pastry is highly inspiring. He will teach us how he uses color in his daily life, where he finds inspiration for his creations and what food trends he sees coming. We will discuss the challenges of colouring food naturally in a world that requires healthy food yet still wants to indulge.  How can color innovate a bonbon, how is the world of desserts changing through our past experiences and what are important life lessons for young chefs out there? 

Born in Manlleu, Barcelona into a family with no connections whatsoever to the world of confectionery, after completing his studies, Ramon Morató began his training in a number of different establishments.

He combined his studies with numerous courses offered at the school of the Barcelona Provincial Confectioners’ Association. During a period of stages at several of the best Spanish confectioners, he also went to important schools and technical centers such as ZDS Solingen, Germany and the Richard Conseil School in Lyon, France. 

As the result of these years of work, his experience and his ongoing desire for innovation, he published “RAMON MORATO Chocolate”, which won the Best Cookbook in the World on the subject of Chocolate in 2007 at the distinguished Gourmand World Cookbook Awards. 

More recently, in December 2016 he published the book “Four in One” together with chefs Raul Bernal, Josep Maria Ribé and Miquel Guarro, on the occasion of the celebration of the 20th anniversary of the Chocolate Academy in Barcelona.

The possibility of connecting with many professionals in different fields gave him ample knowledge of the sector and helped him to realize his passion for teaching, researching and creating products related with the world of confectionery. 

In recent years, this has brought him to teach courses, seminars and conferences all over the world, as well as special endeavors such as a collaboration project with Harvard University through the Alicia Foundation. 

Currently he is Creative Director for the Cacao Barry brand.

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Karl Johan Bertilsson is an intriguing person as you will hear, a great storyteller as he brings us along his journey towards color from a scientific point of view to the psychologic part of color as we will touch upon the topic of color semiotics. He will explain how one can communicate in color, how we may connect to others through color and use color as a an important message. Karl will highlight the fascinating differences in color perception between the European, Latin American, Russian and Chinese market. Teaching color is his true purpose and this comes forward very clearly in our chat. 

Karl originally studied Applied Linguistics and he ran his own language school in Mexico for 11 years. In 1997 he moved back to Sweden and switched to the color language of NCS, becoming responsible for establishing NCS world wide. Since 1997, his full focus has been to support different Industries, the Architect and Design Community and Universities with color solutions.

His first Color Trend work shop was with CMG in 2007 in Buenos Aires, Argentina and since then he has worked continuously with colour trends globally, responsible for the NCS colour trends.

In 2016 he established his own design company MRKRL AB, offering design solutions of interiors, products and branding where the aesthetics, the function and meaning of colour always have a central function. His clients are mainly based in China, Europe and Russia. All of this while still consulting for NCS Colour AB as a Creative Director.

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The international guru of color speaks about her journey to color, how her fame has influenced her career path and how she continues to advocate for color and its correct application. Where does she find her inspiration? How do you research color and what to keep in mind when selecting color? Leatrice talks about the importance of sharing your knowledge, connecting  with like-minded and the importance of listening to your creative self as Lee gives some valuable advice. Lastly, she will reveal her new objective for the upcoming years. 

Leatrice “Lee” Eiseman is director of the Eiseman Center for Color Information & Training and Executive Director of the Pantone® Color Institute.
Lee is a professional color specialist who is often called the international color guru. Her color expertise is recognised worldwide, particularly as executive director of the Pantone® Color Institute.

Lee has been widely quoted in many publications and recognised by Fortune Magazine and the Wall St. Journal as one of the most influential people in the world of color. She is the author of ten books on color.

Today, she is available as a corporate color consultant and a sought-after speaker. She also offers online courses on color theory and personal image color training.

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The Color Authority™ was invited to the World Chocolate Masters podcast of Cacao Barry!

This episode gives exclusive insights from Pastry Chef and Chocolatier Naomi Wahl, Color Designer and Founder of The Color Authority™ Judith van Vliet and Product Decorations Expert at Barry Callebaut Astrid Remaut.

Eating with your eyes is part of every meal, dessert or snack. And color plays a key role in that. If food looks good, we expect it to taste good, and do something good for us. Color also brightens our mood; it can evoke freedom or optimism. It has the power to spread joy and happiness. Even before you have set your teeth in it.

But what does the future of food colouring hold? With customers flocking towards healthy alternatives and being conscious about everything artificial, does food coloring even have a place? Natural colors and flavours seem like the way to go. But where do you start?
And what are their limits?

In my talk with Cacao Barry I talked about the fact that up to 85% of the products we buy are influenced by color making it a powerful tool in the arsenal of artisans and chefs. A clear example that most customers are aware of themselves, is their favourite color. Most people know they are (uncons- ciously or not) drawn to that.

But the use of color goes much further than that. Color influences everyone on a daily basis. It catches your eye, it influences your mood, it has the power to in- crease the attractiveness of your creations, and add freshness and novelty to what you’re making.

What are the future food trends? What colors rule todays' market and what colors will be trending in the world of chocolate and pastry in the near future?  Interesting also to know....what colors to avoid in the food industry. 

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During this talk I got totally nostalgic about the automotive world as I talked to Dominik Eisend. Dominik discusses in detail the strict automotive color selection process during his previous jobs at Europe's most important automotive OEM's. His passion for automobiles and all that is mobility has deeply affected his career as he explains the different steps he made to where he is today. His continuous curiosity leads him to create with color and material on a daily basis while staying on trend for what is happening in the near and far future of mobility and transportation. Where is this market going and what colors will reflect the needs of today's consumer?

Dominik Eisend steers & drives Merck’s global Pull Marketing activities within surface solutions, always focusing on design & technology at automotive OEMs. He introduces new trends and stylings and listens closely to what is needed in the market to be able to present the right creations at the right time.
 
Dominik has a background in transportation interior design focusing on materials and CMF. Prior to his role at Merck he has worked for several OEMs such as Mercedes-Benz, AMG and FORD as well as for a German-Chinese automotive start up called BORGWARD where he was leading the Color&Trim design team.
 
He loves to work with materials or to experiment with new technology to generate material driven design experiences. He looks at color and surfaces to play an incremental role for good product design. In his eyes the material design will play the most influential role in the future of mobility. Dominik currently resides in Stuttgart, Germany. 

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Montaha will shed a light on her international background and how this has influenced her color career and the many color differences  and influences among the regions in the world. She has been tracking color cycles from the early 2000's to better predict future trends and will highlight an interesting cycle that she has seen comeback in this year. Being part of Color Marketing Group and working on the Executive Committee as VP of Color Forecasting is what kept her going in these restrictive times, as she explains the importance of being part of a color tribe and its network. 

Montaha Hidefi is a Canada-based, internationally celebrated color archeologist, writer, and public speaker. As a Color Archeologist her role involves examining and observing the past tendencies, to understand the present trends and interpret the future color forecast for business purposes.

With an extensive background in the coatings industry, color forecasting, marketing strategy and international business, she established color forecast palettes and color trend books concepts for many companies around the world.

Montaha lectured about color and trends virtually and in-person in countless trade shows, conferences, and universities, and conducted workshops on color around the world.

She participated and contributed as color forecasting panelist on many global organization committees such as the Mix Magazine, MoOD Textiles Trend Book, and Dutch Design Trend Book. Her articles on color and trends were published in trade publications such as Door Security and Safety, PCI Magazine, Powder Coating, Powder Coated Tough, Product Finishing, Rugs News andDesign, Retail Environment, and PPCJ.

Montaha is the author of Groping for Truth – My Uphill Struggle for Respect (2018), The Role of Color in Design (2019), and co-author of Colour Design: Theories and Applications (2012, and 2017).

She currently serves as VP Color Forecasting at Color Marketing Group.

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Such a joy to speak to my energetic friend Marta Aymerich who talks about how she unleashes creativity as a lifestyle coach using of course color. She will explain in detail the methodology she uses in innovation workshops with her clients but also how important  enjoying the journey in creative processes truly is in a world where people and businesses are so focused on the end result. Marta unveils her life vision, the societal trends she sees and how happiness is a choice. She wakes up in the morning and draws her to-do lists in color, dresses in the color that best represents her emotions that very day. The biggest purpose in life she says, is to be you, to be yourself. 

Marta Aymerich was born in Barcelona where she currently still lives and works. She is an open-minded graphic designer with multidisciplinary skills with more than 30 years of experience, she applies an holistic vision and a sustainable attitude to all her projects. Her inspiration and motivation comes from sharing her passion for art, colour, design and lifestyle, by helping her clients solve challenges in a creative yet practical approach.

Currently she is specialised in creativity and innovation processes as a creative coach.

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Patricia brings us on a journey through her professional life in the world of decorative paint in a very specific market, Brazil. What colors define the Brazilians, how do they decorate their homes and what color trends can we expect for Latin America in the next years. She will reveal the Sherwin Williams Company trend research methodology and the importance of collaboration when working on color palettes and harmonisation processes. Although its many difficulties, Brazilians continue to shine and the Patricia her energy during this talk reflects that.

Patrícia Fecci works as Color Marketing and Design Services Manager of the Sherwin-Williams Company in Brazil, one of the largest paint manufacturers and distributors in the world.  She is responsible for all color support to company-owned stores, dealers, home centers and assists with color systems, country-specific color palettes, design trends, color merchandising, training and new business development.  She is part of the Sherwin-Williams Global Color Forecast Team that tracks and forecasts color trends and design influences for the coatings industry, creating and giving color presentations to architects and designers.

Patrícia is member of the Color Marketing Group Association and Vice-President of PROCOR Brasil Association. 

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Laura will give insights in the world of materials and how specifically plastics relate to product design and yes color. She believes the world of color design is adapting to seasonal color flows, letting go of the need to control color in design and letting it flow naturally. An interesting talk about creating natural colors in labs, neuro-aesthetics and where the future of design & color is moving. 

Laura is an experienced colour and material designer and trend forecaster, who thinks strategically, has a user-centered mindset and brings inspiration, clear actionable insights, and design directions for brands and organisations. Her ethos is colour and materials should be integral but above all have a positive purpose for applications, products, or services. Working with companies, she navigates future opportunities and creates intelligent, empathetic, and planet-aware palettes and designs, demonstrating aesthetics are key to all levels of experience.

Her in-depth background in colour, knowledge of materials in manufacture, and critical understanding of the trend prediction process have enabled the creation of innovative design directions, brand colour guidelines, and material development for globally renowned and respected companies.

Her work experience encompasses diverse industry sectors, from industrial product design to digital platforms; she has created unique CMF design for future-forward innovation firms in-house at Arrival, Nokia, and Speedo, and has consulted with brands such as 3M Post-it, Sainsbury’s, DuPont Corian, and HP, to create category leading colour identities for new products. She’s led strategic future forecasting projects for clients such as Panasonic Europe, Antron, Comex, and Procter & Gamble and created engaging and insightful reports for trend forecasting agencies including WGSN and Beautystreams.

Laura currently directs Colour of Saying, a UK-based CMF Design Studio, focused on future-forward circular and emotionally-connected colour and material design, insights, and experiences for brands and organisations. Most recently showcasing an exhibition and series of workshops entitled ‘Colour Via:’ on how colour can drive and be an agent for change in advancing sustainable design practices. She is currently on the board of trustees for The Colour in Design Awards, a non-profit organisation that supports new graduates and designers to explore colour further in their practice.

Laura is the author of The Colour Bible, published Autumn 2021, a succinct book covering 100 significant colours and their pertinence and potential for use in the world around us.

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An educational talk with Peggy on how she observes human behavior and translates changes in her surroundings to color palettes, the importance of sharing knowledge in the field of color and design to inspire others, how you communicate color digitally in current times with clients, how being President of Color Marketing Group impacted her professional career and network and how her view on the importance of philanthropy in multiple areas.   

Peggy Van Allen is a designer and color anthropologist with a background in graphic design and experience in trend research, visual merchandising, and palette development. Her unique skillset allows her to visually communicate the complexities of color in a way that is both inspirational and educational. Peggy has a firm understanding that trend forecasting is integral to the success of design and color palette development. 

Peggy has been an active member of Color Marketing Group (CMG) for over 20 years. She has served on numerous committees, facilitated workshops, and served two terms on the Board of Directors. Following two years as Vice-President of Color Forecasting, Peggy was appointed as CMG’s 2020-2022 President. 
Color Marketing Group, a not-for-profit, international association of color design professionals, is a forum for the exchange of all things color. Members represent a broad spectrum of designers, marketers, color scientists, consultants, educators, and artists. 

As a color anthropologist, Peggy studies human behavior in order to understand the why, what and when of a target consumer’s color preferences. Corporate clients, in the home products industry, utilize Van Allen’s color expertise on projects ranging from large-scale paint color displays to smaller color line updates, and material color offerings such as building sheets, grout, and roofing. 

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How is the city of London changing its colors and what has to change? Justine talks about her passion for urban planning and architecture and how she works with architects to apply color more purposefully.  She highlights the importance of child-friendliness in urban areas and how her new project gets children and entire communities active together again in a playful and of course colorful way.

Justine is a consultant with a unique understanding of applied colour psychology, colour trend, insights and colour ergonomics with futures thinking. Her multi-disciplinary perspective on colour creates engagement with people through product development, social content, publications and immersive installations. She is focused on bringing awareness to all stakeholders within urban planning and architecture on the considered use of colour to help improve sustainability, inclusivity, community and safety for all people who live and work in the built environment.

Calzada Fox is a colour consultancy with a difference, combining strategic vision, creativity and innovation. We work across all sectors empowering our clients with innovative ideas which are relevant to their business and stakeholders.

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A fascinating talk about Scandinavian colors and trends, how different these are from colors in other parts of the world, how sustainability and regenerated materials are taking over the world of not just fashion and interior design, but also other industries.  Anja moreover explains how our personal preferences, our taste, is related to our very own chemistry. 

Anja Bisgaard Gaede, the founder of SPOTT, has an MA degree in communication and specialised in fashion, consumerism, and experience economy. Besides numerous presentations, product development cases, strategy sessions and consultations over the past 14 years, she has also published the Danish book Skab god kemi med dine kunder – oplevelsesøkonomi i detailhandlen (Customer Chemistry – experience economy in retail) and edited the anthology Fashion Film and Transmedia.

SPOTT trends & business provides Scandinavian lifestyle brands with consumer insight, trend and colour forecast for spot on business development. SPOTT creates the essential links between future trends, consumer behavior and business. This calls for a new and innovative approach where neuroscience, trend forecasting and commercial experience is combined in turning trends into business for Scandinavian lifestyle clients. They range from fashion and design companies, city development, creative colleges, retail, lifestyle organisations and media companies.

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In this episode you will discover what a futurist is and how Bridget herself visions the future in the world of events. She will illuminate us on her colorful Colombian upbringing and how that transformed her desire to create in beauty, bringing along her audience in her dream world of storytelling. 

Bridget comes to the table with over 20 years of experience as a provocative lifestyle designer, handling everything from event ideation, interior styling, color customization, hospitality design and visual merchandising, as well as an accomplished floral designer. She is Creative Director and senior strategist of Kehoe Designs, a full service event decor and production company. She is a board member of the international association of Color Marketing Group. Her skill set includes blending a multicultural background, a passion for travel and a relentless pursuit of trend spotting.  Her default is a nearly obsessive curiosity with future trends, color forecasting and scenario planning. She’s a patient hunter with a meticulous eye for finding the subtle nuances in design and innovation, and envisioning how they’re indicators of what’s next. Bridget’s style of thinking melds together seemingly unrelated facts, ideas and nuggets of information; result is trend spotting that is both inspiring and relatable. 

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Alicia will bring us along her journey as a rug designer and artist, she will explain the process of designing a handmade-to-order carpets by closely observing her customer and how her designs are translated into beautiful natural rugs in Nepal. We will discuss the difficulties of keeping creative juices flow in current times and what her point of view on color trends are. 

Alicia is an award-winning designer with more than 40 years of professional experience as an art director, graphic designer, surface designer, illustrator, and color consultant. She holds a BFA in Design/Illustration from CCAC and was an artist-in-residence at The Penland School of Crafts in North Carolina. She currently produces a line of custom, handmade-to-order carpets and is a popular speaker, presenter and teacher on design and color. Alicia has owned and operated her own textile business as well as designed for various industries and corporations such as Papyrus, Bloomingdale’s, CBS Publications, New York Magazine, Parenting Magazine, Health/Hippocrates Magazine, Working Woman Magazine, Premiere Magazine, Image Magazine, RCA Records, American Craft Council. Her true loves have always been color and texture. Alicia comes from a long line of accomplished artists and her emergence as a rug maker is thanks to family: her Armenian-born grandfather, uncles and cousin are renowned Oriental rug authorities and collectors and that is why Carpets and color have been part of Alicia’s life as long as she can remember: the smell of the wool, the touch of the fibers, the variety of patterns all are in her DNA.

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Rana shares insights on the differences but also the similarities of color use and color trends in the Middle East compared to the European region, how color is energy in its form and how we are all influenced by color throughout our childhood. During our conversation we also discussed the intriguing pull many have for her native region, the colors of the city she grew up in and where she finds color inspiration in these difficult times. 

As head of the creative department, Rana is the brain behind creating enchanting colors and the discerning eye when it comes to forecasting and spotting trends for Jotun. With her eclectic experience in advertising, marketing and product management, she has spearheaded product innovations while successfully launching new products and color collections across the Middle East, Africa and India. She is a certified Color Trainer by NCS, Sweden and a member of the Color Marketing Group. Rana has conducted many masterclass in color for interior designers and architects across the region. Her infectious passion indeed for color is reflected in the hues of her vibrant personality. She has a thing for beautiful doors and walls and a longing for longitudes as she often travels the world to fill her shelves with hidden curios and stories. Rana is currently residing in Dubai. 

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In this episode I will talk with Doty Horn from the New York area about her career path in Fashion and Interior Design and how similar those two industries are when it comes to color trends.  She will highlight the importance of a three to five year plan when doing trend research, the difficulty of being a visionary in a corporate world, the translation of today's happenings into colors for our homes and her new passion: mentorship. A key take away from this conversation is: the power of active listening!

Doty is Founding Director of ColorVoyant LLC, an international visionary color marketing firm formed in early 2011. With an expansive cross-current background in the interior and fashion industries as well as product development for companies such as Armstrong, Formica, Cole of California, and FIDM (Fashion Institute of Design and Merchandising). For seven years as Benjamin Moore Paint’s Director of Color and Design, Doty established color strategies and trend forecasting for market-focused programs using color as the driving principle.  Doty also currently is board director at Color Marketing Group. With a background in the fashion Industry and through extensive traveling for trend research, Doty has established a rich foundation for understanding color and design trends that inform her leadership in color. Her insights reflect a thorough understanding of the emotional impact and power that color has on the Designer and Consumer markets.  

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Welcome everyone to this very first episode of The Color Authority, an inspiring podcast on everything you need to know about color! How does color influence our daily lives? How can color inspire us? How do you bring more color in your life but more importantly, which color! And last but not least... how do color trends come about. By listening to the next episodes, you will learn more about color, color design and color trends but most importantly how to apply color. This podcast brings fascinating conversations with some of the most inspiring people in the world of color for cross industry professionals. 

In this first episode I will discuss shortly the importance of storytelling when researching color trends and selecting the right color for your design. 

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