The Deconstructionists

Guest/Bio:

This week we welcome back Carrie Sheffield for part 2 of our conversation on her brand new book.

Carrie is a columnist & broadcaster in Washington, D.C. She is author of the bestselling book Motorhome Prophecies: A Journey of Healing and Forgiveness published by Hachette Book Group.

A Senior Policy Analyst at Independent Women’s Forum, Carrie is a former White House reporter who earned a master’s in public policy from Harvard University, concentrating in business policy. She earned a B.A. with honors in communications at Brigham Young University and completed a Fulbright fellowship in Berlin. Carrie managed municipal credit risk at Goldman Sachs and served as lead analyst on a $5 billion portfolio of healthcare bonds at Moody’s Investors Service. She later researched for American Enterprise Institute economics scholar Edward Conard and served as Warren Brookes Journalism Fellow at Competitive Enterprise Institute. She’s repeatedly testified before the U.S. House on economic policy, and while serving as executive director for Generation Opportunity, a project of Americans For Prosperity, she spoke at the U.S. Senate alongside key senators in favor of landmark tax reforms passed by Congress in 2017.

Carrie has published in The Wall Street Journal, TIME, USA Today, CNN Opinion, The New York Times, The Washington Post, CNBC, National Review, The D.C. Examiner, Newsweek, HuffPost, and Daily Caller. In addition, she's appeared on numerous programs including Fox News, Newsmax TV, Fox Business Network, MSNBC, CNN, PBS, and BBC.

Guest (Selected) Works: Motorhome Prophesies: A Journey of Healing and Forgiveness

Guest Links:

www.carriesheffield.com

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/carriesheffield

IG: @sheffieldcarrie

X: @carriesheffield

Special Theme Music:

Forrest Clay

X: @clay_k

Instagram: @forrestclaymusic

YouTube: www.youtube.com/claykmusic

Enjoy the music?

Songs used on this episode were from the Recover EP

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This episode of The Deconstructionists Podcast was edited, mixed, and produced by John Williamson

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Guest/Bio:

This week we welcome Carrie Sheffield!!! Carrie is a columnist & broadcaster in Washington, D.C. She is author of the bestselling book Motorhome Prophecies: A Journey of Healing and Forgiveness published by Hachette Book Group.

A Senior Policy Analyst at Independent Women’s Forum, Carrie is a former White House reporter who earned a master’s in public policy from Harvard University, concentrating in business policy. She earned a B.A. with honors in communications at Brigham Young University and completed a Fulbright fellowship in Berlin. Carrie managed municipal credit risk at Goldman Sachs and served as lead analyst on a $5 billion portfolio of healthcare bonds at Moody’s Investors Service. She later researched for American Enterprise Institute economics scholar Edward Conard and served as Warren Brookes Journalism Fellow at Competitive Enterprise Institute. She’s repeatedly testified before the U.S. House on economic policy, and while serving as executive director for Generation Opportunity, a project of Americans For Prosperity, she spoke at the U.S. Senate alongside key senators in favor of landmark tax reforms passed by Congress in 2017.

Carrie has published in The Wall Street Journal, TIME, USA Today, CNN Opinion, The New York Times, The Washington Post, CNBC, National Review, The D.C. Examiner, Newsweek, HuffPost, and Daily Caller. In addition, she's appeared on numerous programs including Fox News, Newsmax TV, Fox Business Network, MSNBC, CNN, PBS, and BBC.

Guest (Selected) Works: Motorhome Prophesies: A Journey of Healing and Forgiveness

Guest Links:

www.carriesheffield.com

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/carriesheffield

IG: @sheffieldcarrie

X: @carriesheffield

Special Theme Music:

Forrest Clay

X: @clay_k

Instagram: @forrestclaymusic

YouTube: www.youtube.com/claykmusic

Enjoy the music?

Songs used on this episode were from the Recover EP

You can find Clay’s music on iTunes, Apple Music, Spotify, YouTube, or anywhere good music can be found!

This episode of The Deconstructionists Podcast was edited, mixed, and produced by John Williamson

Stay on top of all the latest at www.thedeconstructionists.org Go there to check out our blog, snag a pint glass, or follow us on social media! We now have a brand new webstore with faster shipping, new products, new designs, and international shipping!

Join our Patreon family here: www.patreon.com/deconstructionsts

Website by Ryan Battles

All photos by Jared Hevron

Logos & Designs are all created by Joseph Ernst, Chad Flannigan, Colin Rigsby, and Jason Turner

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Guest/Bio:

This week we welcome back our friend Tony Jones for part 2 of our conversation! Tony is an outdoorsman, theologian, podcaster, and writer. He is the author of the new book The God of Wild Places and contributing writer to several outdoors periodicals. He’s written a dozen books, including Did God Kill Jesus? And The Sacred Way: Spiritual Practices for Everyday Life, developed the iPhone app, hosts the Reverand Hunter Podcast, and teaches at Fuller Theological Seminary and The Loft Literary Center. He writes a weekly newletter on Substack.

Tony is a sought after speaker and consultant in the areas of emerging church, postmodernism, and Christian spirituality, writing, and the outdoors. He served as a consultant on the television show, The Path, and he owns and event planning company, Crucible Creative.

He holds an A.B. from Dartmouth College, an M.Div. from Fuller Theological Seminary, and a Ph.D. from Princeton Theological Seminary.

Guest (Selected) Works:

The New Christians: Dispatches from the Emergent Church; Divine Intervention: Encountering God Through the Ancient Practice of Lectio Divina; Did God Kill Jesus: Searching for Love in History’s Most Famous Execution; The Sacred Way: Spiritual Practices for Everyday Life; The God of Wild Places: Rediscovering the Divine in the Untamed Outdoors

Guest Links:

https://reverendhunter.com

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jonestony

IG: @thereverendhunter

Special Theme Music:

Forrest Clay

X: @clay_k

Instagram: @forrestclaymusic

YouTube: www.youtube.com/claykmusic

Enjoy the music?

Songs used on this episode were from the Recover EP

You can find Clay’s music on iTunes, Apple Music, Spotify, YouTube, or anywhere good music can be found!

This episode of The Deconstructionists Podcast was edited, mixed, and produced by John Williamson

Stay on top of all the latest at www.thedeconstructionists.org Go there to check out our blog, snag a pint glass, or follow us on social media! We now have a brand new webstore with faster shipping, new products, new designs, and international shipping!

Join our Patreon family here: www.patreon.com/deconstructionsts

Website by Ryan Battles

All photos by Jared Hevron

Logos & Designs are all created by Joseph Ernst, Chad Flannigan, Colin Rigsby, and Jason Turner

Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-deconstructionists/donations

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Guest/Bio:

This week we welcome back our friend Tony Jones! Tony is an outdoorsman, theologian, podcaster, and writer. He is the author of the new book The God of Wild Places and contributing writer to several outdoors periodicals. He’s written a dozen books, including Did God Kill Jesus? And The Sacred Way: Spiritual Practices for Everyday Life, developed the iPhone app, hosts the Reverand Hunter Podcast, and teaches at Fuller Theological Seminary and The Loft Literary Center. He writes a weekly newletter on Substack.

Tony is a sought after speaker and consultant in the areas of emerging church, postmodernism, and Christian spirituality, writing, and the outdoors. He served as a consultant on the television show, The Path, and he owns and event planning company, Crucible Creative.

He holds an A.B. from Dartmouth College, an M.Div. from Fuller Theological Seminary, and a Ph.D. from Princeton Theological Seminary.

Guest (Selected) Works:

The New Christians: Dispatches from the Emergent Church; Divine Intervention: Encountering God Through the Ancient Practice of Lectio Divina; Did God Kill Jesus: Searching for Love in History’s Most Famous Execution; The Sacred Way: Spiritual Practices for Everyday Life; The God of Wild Places: Rediscovering the Divine in the Untamed Outdoors

Guest Links:

https://reverendhunter.com

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jonestony

IG: @thereverendhunter

Special Theme Music:

Forrest Clay

X: @clay_k

Instagram: @forrestclaymusic

YouTube: www.youtube.com/claykmusic

Enjoy the music?

Songs used on this episode were from the Recover EP

You can find Clay’s music on iTunes, Apple Music, Spotify, YouTube, or anywhere good music can be found!

This episode of The Deconstructionists Podcast was edited, mixed, and produced by John Williamson

Stay on top of all the latest at www.thedeconstructionists.org Go there to check out our blog, snag a pint glass, or follow us on social media! We now have a brand new webstore with faster shipping, new products, new designs, and international shipping!

Join our Patreon family here: www.patreon.com/deconstructionsts

Website by Ryan Battles

All photos by Jared Hevron

Logos & Designs are all created by Joseph Ernst, Chad Flannigan, Colin Rigsby, and Jason Turner

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Guest/Bio:

This week we welcome back Anna Gazmarian! Anna holds an MFA in creative writing from the Bennington Writing Seminars. Her essays have been published in The Rumpus, Longreads, The Sun, and The Guardian. We talk all about her brand new book, “Devout: A Memoir of Doubt” and her struggle with mental illness while growing up evangelical.

Guest (Selected) Works:

Devout: A Memoir of Doubt

Guest Links:

https://www.annagazmarian.com/

X: https://x.com/anna_gazmarian

IG: https://www.instagram.com/agazmarian/

Special Theme Music:

Forrest Clay

X: @clay_k

Instagram: @forrestclaymusic

YouTube: www.youtube.com/claykmusic

Enjoy the music?

Songs used on this episode were from the Recover EP

You can find Clay’s music on iTunes, Apple Music, Spotify, YouTube, or anywhere good music can be found!

This episode of The Deconstructionists Podcast was edited, mixed, and produced by John Williamson

Stay on top of all the latest at www.thedeconstructionists.com Go there to check out our blog, snag a pint glass, or follow us on social media! We now have a brand new webstore with faster shipping, new products, new designs, and international shipping!

Join our Patreon family here: www.patreon.com/deconstructionsts

Website by Ryan Battles

All photos by Jared Hevron

Logos & Designs are all created by Joseph Ernst, Chad Flannigan, Colin Rigsby, and Jason Turner

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Guest/Bio:

This week we welcome Anna Gazmarian! Anna holds an MFA in creative writing from the Bennington Writing Seminars. Her essays have been published in The Rumpus, Longreads, The Sun, and The Guardian. We talk all about her brand new book, “Devout: A Memoir of Doubt” and her struggle with mental illness while growing up evangelical.

Guest (Selected) Works:

Devout: A Memoir of Doubt

Guest Links:

https://www.annagazmarian.com/

X: https://x.com/anna_gazmarian

IG: https://www.instagram.com/agazmarian/

Special Theme Music:

Forrest Clay

X: @clay_k

Instagram: @forrestclaymusic

YouTube: www.youtube.com/claykmusic

Enjoy the music?

Songs used on this episode were from the Recover EP

You can find Clay’s music on iTunes, Apple Music, Spotify, YouTube, or anywhere good music can be found!

This episode of The Deconstructionists Podcast was edited, mixed, and produced by John Williamson

Stay on top of all the latest at www.thedeconstructionists.com Go there to check out our blog, snag a pint glass, or follow us on social media! We now have a brand new webstore with faster shipping, new products, new designs, and international shipping!

Join our Patreon family here: www.patreon.com/deconstructionsts

Website by Ryan Battles

All photos by Jared Hevron

Logos & Designs are all created by Joseph Ernst, Chad Flannigan, Colin Rigsby, and Jason Turner

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Guest/Bio:

This week we welcome back Dr. Benjamin Laird for the second part of our conversation! Dr. Laird serves as Associate Professor of Biblical Studies. He teaches a variety of courses in New Testament and Greek. He’s previously served in various capacities in the church including pastorates in Virginia and Scotland. His doctoral research examined the formation and circulation of the Pauline letter collection in early Christianity.

In part 2 of our conversation we talk all about the books of the New Testament, their formation, and who wrote them.

Guest (Selected) Works:

40 Questions About the Apostle Paul; Creating the Canon: Composition, Controversy, and the Authority of the New Testament; The Pauline Corpus in Early Christianity: Its Formation, Publication, and Circulation; Five Views on the New Testament Canon.

Guest Links:

X: @BPLAIRD1

Special Theme Music:

Forrest Clay

X: @clay_k

Instagram: @forrestclaymusic

YouTube: www.youtube.com/claykmusic

Enjoy the music?

Songs used on this episode were from the Recover EP

You can find Clay’s music on iTunes, Apple Music, Spotify, YouTube, or anywhere good music can be found!

This episode of The Deconstructionists Podcast was edited, mixed, and produced by John Williamson

Stay on top of all the latest at www.thedeconstructionists.com Go there to check out our blog, snag a pint glass, or follow us on social media! We now have a brand new webstore with faster shipping, new products, new designs, and international shipping!

Join our Patreon family here: www.patreon.com/deconstructionsts

Website by Ryan Battles

All photos by Jared Hevron

Logos & Designs are all created by Joseph Ernst, Chad Flannigan, Colin Rigsby, and Jason Turner

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Guest/Bio:

This week we welcome Dr. Benjamin Laird! Dr. Laird serves as Associate Professor of Biblical Studies. He teaches a variety of courses in New Testament and Greek. He’s previously served in various capacities in the church including pastorates in Virginia and Scotland. His doctoral research examined the formation and circulation of the Pauline letter collection in early Christianity.

In part 1 of our conversation we talk all about the books of the New Testament, their formation, and who wrote them.

Guest (Selected) Works:

40 Questions About the Apostle Paul; Creating the Canon: Composition, Controversy, and the Authority of the New Testament; The Pauline Corpus in Early Christianity: Its Formation, Publication, and Circulation; Five Views on the New Testament Canon.

Guest Links:

X: @BPLAIRD1

Special Theme Music:

Forrest Clay

X: @clay_k

Instagram: @forrestclaymusic

YouTube: www.youtube.com/claykmusic

Enjoy the music?

Songs used on this episode were from the Recover EP

You can find Clay’s music on iTunes, Apple Music, Spotify, YouTube, or anywhere good music can be found!

This episode of The Deconstructionists Podcast was edited, mixed, and produced by John Williamson

Stay on top of all the latest at www.thedeconstructionists.com Go there to check out our blog, snag a pint glass, or follow us on social media! We now have a brand new webstore with faster shipping, new products, new designs, and international shipping!

Join our Patreon family here: www.patreon.com/deconstructionsts

Website by Ryan Battles

All photos by Jared Hevron

Logos & Designs are all created by Joseph Ernst, Chad Flannigan, Colin Rigsby, and Jason Turner

Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-deconstructionists/donations

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Special Theme Music:

Forrest Clay

X: @clay_k

Instagram: @forrestclaymusic

YouTube: www.youtube.com/claykmusic

Enjoy the music?

Songs used on this episode were from the Recover EP

You can find Clay’s music on iTunes, Apple Music, Spotify, YouTube, or anywhere good music can be found!

This episode of The Deconstructionists Podcast was edited, mixed, and produced by John Williamson

Stay on top of all the latest at www.thedeconstructionists.com Go there to check out our blog, snag a pint glass, or follow us on social media! We now have a brand new webstore with faster shipping, new products, new designs, and international shipping!

Join our Patreon family here: www.patreon.com/deconstructionsts

Website by Ryan Battles

All photos by Jared Hevron

Logos & Designs are all created by Joseph Ernst, Chad Flannigan, Colin Rigsby, and Jason Turner

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Guest Info/Bio:

This week’s guest is comedian Doug Smith. Doug is a former Jehovah’s Witness who is searching for silver lining in growing up inside a doomsday cult. We talk about how his family got involved with the Jehovah’s Witnesses and what it was like to walk away. 

Check out Doug’s podcast: Jehovah Boy with Doug Smith

Guest Website/Social Media: 

www.dougsmithcomedy.com 

Twitter, Instagram, Tik Tok, & YouTube: @whodougsmith 

Special Theme Music by: Forrest Clay

Instagram: @forrestclaymusic 

Twitter: @clay_k

YouTube: www.youtube.com/claykmusic 

Songs featured on this episode were from the Recover EP

You can find Clay’s music on iTunes, Apple Music, Spotify, YouTube, or anywhere good music is found!

This episode of the Deconstructionists Podcast was edited, mixed, and produced by John Williamson 

Stay on top of all of the latest at www.thedeconstructionists.com Go there to check out our blog, snag a t-shirt, or follow us on social media

Join our Patreon family here: www.patreon.com/deconstructionists 

Website by Ryan Battles

All photos by Jared Hevron

Logos designed by Joseph Ernst & Stephen Pfluig

T-shirt designs by Joseph Ernst, Chad Flannigan, Colin Rigsby, and Jason Turner. 

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Guest Info/Bio:

This week’s guest is Sarah Stankorb! Sarah is the author of the book Disobedient Women, which is a culmination of years reporting on women who used the internet to call out abuse within their evangelical communities. It is a book for and about people of faith and those who have walked away. The deeply researched work gives long-overdue recognition to the women who upturned their lives to speak out boldly, even as they were expected to submit and remain silent. 

Sarah’s articles and essays have appeared in publications including The Washington Post Magazine, The New York Times, The Washington Post, Vogue, Marie Claire, Glamour, O Magazine, Longreads, Catapult, Slate, The Guardian, The Atlantic, The Atavist, CNNMoney, GOOD Magazine, Salon, KIWI, Babble, Geez, The Morning News, DAME Magazine, The Christian Science Monitor, Brain, Child Magazine, Proto, Skirt, Bethesda Magazine, and Cincinnati Magazine. 

Her beat spans politics, the environment, health, technology, religion and cultural commentary. 

Guest (select) publications: Disobedient Women: How a Small Group of Faithful Women Exposed Abuse, Brought Down Powerful Pastors, and Ignited an Evangelical Reckoning. 

Guest Website/Social Media: 

www.sarahstankorb.com 

Twitter: @sarahstankorb 

Instagram: @sarahstankorb 

TikTok: @sarahstankorb 

Special Theme Music by: Forrest Clay

Instagram: @forrestclaymusic 

Twitter: @clay_k

YouTube: www.youtube.com/claykmusic  

Songs featured on this episode were from the Recover EP

You can find Clay’s music on iTunes, Apple Music, Spotify, YouTube, or anywhere good music is found!

This episode of the Deconstructionists Podcast was edited, mixed, and produced by John Williamson 

Stay on top of all of the latest at www.thedeconstructionists.com Go there to check out our blog, snag a t-shirt, or follow us on social media. We have a brand new webstore with faster shipping, new products, new designs, and international shipping! 

Join our Patreon family here: www.patreon.com/deconstructionists 

Website by Ryan Battles

All photos by Jared Hevron

Logos designed by Joseph Ernst & Stephen Pfluig

T-shirt designs by Joseph Ernst, Chad Flannigan, Colin Rigsby, and Jason Turner. 

Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-deconstructionists/donations

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Guest Info/Bio:

This week’s guest is Sarah Stankorb! Sarah is the author of the book Disobedient Women, which is a culmination of years reporting on women who used the internet to call out abuse within their evangelical communities. It is a book for and about people of faith and those who have walked away. The deeply researched work gives long-overdue recognition to the women who upturned their lives to speak out boldly, even as they were expected to submit and remain silent. 

Sarah’s articles and essays have appeared in publications including The Washington Post Magazine, The New York Times, The Washington Post, Vogue, Marie Claire, Glamour, O Magazine, Longreads, Catapult, Slate, The Guardian, The Atlantic, The Atavist, CNNMoney, GOOD Magazine, Salon, KIWI, Babble, Geez, The Morning News, DAME Magazine, The Christian Science Monitor, Brain, Child Magazine, Proto, Skirt, Bethesda Magazine, and Cincinnati Magazine. 

Her beat spans politics, the environment, health, technology, religion and cultural commentary. 

Guest (select) publications: Disobedient Women: How a Small Group of Faithful Women Exposed Abuse, Brought Down Powerful Pastors, and Ignited an Evangelical Reckoning. 

Guest Website/Social Media: 

www.sarahstankorb.com 

Twitter: @sarahstankorb 

Instagram: @sarahstankorb 

TikTok: @sarahstankorb 

Special Theme Music by: Forrest Clay

Instagram: @forrestclaymusic 

Twitter: @clay_k

YouTube: www.youtube.com/claykmusic  

Songs featured on this episode were from the Recover EP

You can find Clay’s music on iTunes, Apple Music, Spotify, YouTube, or anywhere good music is found!

This episode of the Deconstructionists Podcast was edited, mixed, and produced by John Williamson 

Stay on top of all of the latest at www.thedeconstructionists.com Go there to check out our blog, snag a t-shirt, or follow us on social media. We have a brand new webstore with faster shipping, new products, new designs, and international shipping! 

Join our Patreon family here: www.patreon.com/deconstructionists 

Website by Ryan Battles

All photos by Jared Hevron

Logos designed by Joseph Ernst & Stephen Pfluig

T-shirt designs by Joseph Ernst, Chad Flannigan, Colin Rigsby, and Jason Turner. 

Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-deconstructionists/donations

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Guest Info/Bio:

This week’s guest is Dr. Greg Garrett! Greg is a writer, speaker, musician, and professor. He’s the critically acclaimed author of over two dozen books of fiction and nonfiction including his latest, “The Gospel According to James Baldwin: What America’s Great Prophet Can Teach Us about Life, Love, and Identity.” 

Greg studied at Oklahoma State University where he received his PhD in English. He then continued his education with post-doctoral studies in Holocaust Studies at the University of Oregon and later received his Masters in Divinity from the Episcopal Theological Seminary of the Southwest in Austin, Texas. 

Guest (select) publications: My Church is NOT Dying: Episopalians in the 21st Century; Crossing Myself: A Story of Spiritual Rebirth; We Get To Carry Each Other: The Gospel According to U2; Holy Superheroes; The Gospel According to Hollywood; The Other Jesus: Rejecting a Religion of Fear for the God of Love; Stories From The Edge: A Theology of Grief; Living With The Living Dead: The Wisdom of the Zombie Apocalypse; Entertaining Judgement: The Afterlife in Popular Imagination; The Gospel According to James Baldwin: What America’s Great Prophet Can Teach Us about Life, Love, and Identity 

James Baldwin (select) publications: The Fire Next Time; Giovanni’s Room; Go Tell It on the Mountain; Notes of a Native Son; Another Country; If Beale Street Could Talk; Nobody Knows My Name

Guest Website/Social Media: 

Twitter: @Greg1Garrett 

Special Theme Music by: Forrest Clay

Instagram: @forrestclaymusic 

Twitter: @clay_k

YouTube: www.youtube.com/claykmusic 

Songs featured on this episode were from the Recover EP

You can find Clay’s music on iTunes, Apple Music, Spotify, YouTube, or anywhere good music is found!

Check out Factor 75 and use my code deconstruct50 for a great deal: https://www.factor75.com/

This episode of the Deconstructionists Podcast was edited, mixed, and produced by John Williamson 

Stay on top of all of the latest at www.thedeconstructionists.com Go there to check out our blog, snag a t-shirt, or follow us on social media. We have a brand new webstore with faster shipping, new products, new designs, and international shipping! 

Join our Patreon family here: www.patreon.com/deconstructionists 

Website by Ryan Battles

All photos by Jared Hevron

Logos designed by Joseph Ernst & Stephen Pfluig

T-shirt designs by Joseph Ernst, Chad Flannigan, Colin Rigsby, and Jason Turner. 

Starting your own podcast? Try Riverside! https://riverside.fm/?utm_campaign=campaign_1&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_source=rewardful&via=john-williamson

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Guest Info/Bio:

This week’s guest is Dr. Greg Garrett! Greg is a writer, speaker, musician, and professor. He’s the critically acclaimed author of over two dozen books of fiction and nonfiction including his latest, “The Gospel According to James Baldwin: What America’s Great Prophet Can Teach Us about Life, Love, and Identity.” 

Greg studied at Oklahoma State University where he received his PhD in English. He then continued his education with post-doctoral studies in Holocaust Studies at the University of Oregon and later received his Masters in Divinity from the Episcopal Theological Seminary of the Southwest in Austin, Texas. 

Guest (select) publications: My Church is NOT Dying: Episopalians in the 21st Century; Crossing Myself: A Story of Spiritual Rebirth; We Get To Carry Each Other: The Gospel According to U2; Holy Superheroes; The Gospel According to Hollywood; The Other Jesus: Rejecting a Religion of Fear for the God of Love; Stories From The Edge: A Theology of Grief; Living With The Living Dead: The Wisdom of the Zombie Apocalypse; Entertaining Judgement: The Afterlife in Popular Imagination; The Gospel According to James Baldwin: What America’s Great Prophet Can Teach Us about Life, Love, and Identity 

James Baldwin (select) publications: The Fire Next Time; Giovanni’s Room; Go Tell It on the Mountain; Notes of a Native Son; Another Country; If Beale Street Could Talk; Nobody Knows My Name

Guest Website/Social Media: 

Twitter: @Greg1Garrett 

Special Theme Music by: Forrest Clay

Instagram: @forrestclaymusic 

Twitter: @clay_k

YouTube: www.youtube.com/claykmusic 

Songs featured on this episode were from the Recover EP

You can find Clay’s music on iTunes, Apple Music, Spotify, YouTube, or anywhere good music is found!

Check out Factor 75 and use my code deconstruct50 for a great deal: https://www.factor75.com/

This episode of the Deconstructionists Podcast was edited, mixed, and produced by John Williamson 

Stay on top of all of the latest at www.thedeconstructionists.com Go there to check out our blog, snag a t-shirt, or follow us on social media. We have a brand new webstore with faster shipping, new products, new designs, and international shipping! 

Join our Patreon family here: www.patreon.com/deconstructionists 

Website by Ryan Battles

All photos by Jared Hevron

Logos designed by Joseph Ernst & Stephen Pfluig

T-shirt designs by Joseph Ernst, Chad Flannigan, Colin Rigsby, and Jason Turner. 

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Guest Info/Bio:

This week’s guest is the return of the amazing Rabbi Brad Hirschfield! We continue our discussion on stories from what we refer to as the Old Testament from the Christian and Jewish perspectives. This episode we cover the story of the great flood.

Listed for many years in Newsweek as one of America’s “50 Most Influential Rabbis,” and recognized as one of our nation’s leading “Preachers & Teachers,” by Beliefnet.com, Fox News regular contributor, Washington Post blogger, and think tank President Brad Hirschfield is the author of You Don’t Have To Be Wrong For Me To Be Right: Finding Faith Without Fanaticism (Harmony, 2008). He also conceived and hosted two groundbreaking series for Bridges TV—American Muslim TV Network, Building Bridges: Abrahamic Perspectives on the World Today (three seasons), and American Pilgrimage. He is also the Co-founder and Executive Editor of The Wisdom Daily.

An expert on religion and public life, Hirschfield offers a unique perspective on the American spiritual landscape and political and social trends to audiences nationwide. A regular on Lou Dobbs Tonight on the Fox Business Network, and The Washington Post’s Conversations: Live Q & A, he’s been a contributor on ethical issues for Tru-TV, co-hosted the weekly radio show Hirschfield and Kula and is frequently quoted in the press. A popular guest on such shows as The Dennis Miller Show, Lars Larson, and Fox News.com Live, he has appeared on CNN, PBS, MTV and NPR, among others, and was featured on PBS’s “Frontline: Faith and Doubt at Ground Zero,” and the acclaimed documentary, Freaks Like Me. A regular commentator for The Huffington Post and one of Patheos.com’s Experts, he contributes frequently to Fox News Opinion, writes a column, For God’s Sake, for the WashingtonPost.com’s “On Faith.” His blog, Windows & Doors, appears on Beliefnet.com (the net’s largest site for spirituality and inspiration), and was featured on the homepage of Digg.com.

Rabbi Hirschfield is also an interfaith activist, he has inspired audiences from the Aspen Institute and the Washington National Cathedral, to the Islamic Society of North America and many leading universities and religious institutions. A featured speaker at Parliament of the World’s Religions in both Barcelona and Melbourne, he was recently invited by the Governments of the United States and the Republic of Indonesia to speak at the Jakarta Interfaith Dialogue

Guest (select) publications: You Don’t Have to Be Wrong For Me To Be Right: Finding Faith Without Fanaticism 

Guest Website/Social Media: 

www.clal.org 

Twitter: @BradHirschfield 

Special Theme Music by: Forrest Clay

Instagram: @forrestclaymusic 

Twitter: @clay_k

YouTube: www.youtube.com/claykmusic  

Songs featured on this episode were from the Recover EP

You can find Clay’s music on iTunes, Apple Music, Spotify, YouTube, or anywhere good music is found!

This episode of the Deconstructionists Podcast was edited, mixed, and produced by John Williamson 

Stay on top of all of the latest at www.thedeconstructionists.com Go there to check out our blog, snag a t-shirt, or follow us on social media. Check out our brand new print to order page with new international shipping and brand new designs and products!

Join our Patreon family here: www.patreon.com/deconstructionists 

Website by Ryan Battles

All photos by Jared Hevron

Logos designed by Joseph Ernst & Stephen Pfluig

T-shirt designs by Joseph Ernst, Chad Flannigan, Colin Rigsby, and Jason Turner. 

Starting your own podcast? Try Riverside! https://riverside.fm/?utm_campaign=campaign_1&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_source=rewardful&via=john-williamson

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Guest Info/Bio:

This week’s guest is the return of the amazing Rabbi Brad Hirschfield! We continue our discussion on stories from what we refer to as the Old Testament from the Christian and Jewish perspectives. This episode we cover the story of Cane and Abel.

Listed for many years in Newsweek as one of America’s “50 Most Influential Rabbis,” and recognized as one of our nation’s leading “Preachers & Teachers,” by Beliefnet.com, Fox News regular contributor, Washington Post blogger, and think tank President Brad Hirschfield is the author of You Don’t Have To Be Wrong For Me To Be Right: Finding Faith Without Fanaticism (Harmony, 2008). He also conceived and hosted two groundbreaking series for Bridges TV—American Muslim TV Network, Building Bridges: Abrahamic Perspectives on the World Today (three seasons), and American Pilgrimage. He is also the Co-founder and Executive Editor of The Wisdom Daily.

An expert on religion and public life, Hirschfield offers a unique perspective on the American spiritual landscape and political and social trends to audiences nationwide. A regular on Lou Dobbs Tonight on the Fox Business Network, and The Washington Post’s Conversations: Live Q & A, he’s been a contributor on ethical issues for Tru-TV, co-hosted the weekly radio show Hirschfield and Kula and is frequently quoted in the press. A popular guest on such shows as The Dennis Miller Show, Lars Larson, and Fox News.com Live, he has appeared on CNN, PBS, MTV and NPR, among others, and was featured on PBS’s “Frontline: Faith and Doubt at Ground Zero,” and the acclaimed documentary, Freaks Like Me. A regular commentator for The Huffington Post and one of Patheos.com’s Experts, he contributes frequently to Fox News Opinion, writes a column, For God’s Sake, for the WashingtonPost.com’s “On Faith.” His blog, Windows & Doors, appears on Beliefnet.com (the net’s largest site for spirituality and inspiration), and was featured on the homepage of Digg.com.

Rabbi Hirschfield is also an interfaith activist, he has inspired audiences from the Aspen Institute and the Washington National Cathedral, to the Islamic Society of North America and many leading universities and religious institutions. A featured speaker at Parliament of the World’s Religions in both Barcelona and Melbourne, he was recently invited by the Governments of the United States and the Republic of Indonesia to speak at the Jakarta Interfaith Dialogue

Guest (select) publications: You Don’t Have to Be Wrong For Me To Be Right: Finding Faith Without Fanaticism 

Guest Website/Social Media: 

www.clal.org 

Twitter: @BradHirschfield 

Special Theme Music by: Forrest Clay

Instagram: @forrestclaymusic 

Twitter: @clay_k

YouTube: www.youtube.com/claykmusic  

Songs featured on this episode were from the Recover EP

You can find Clay’s music on iTunes, Apple Music, Spotify, YouTube, or anywhere good music is found!

This episode is sponsored by Hello Fresh - America’s #1 meal kit! My daughter and I swear by it and have our favorite recipes that we make together every week! Go to www.hellofresh.com/deconstruct50 for 50% off PLUS free shipping! 

This episode of the Deconstructionists Podcast was edited, mixed, and produced by John Williamson 

Stay on top of all of the latest at www.thedeconstructionists.com Go there to check out our blog, snag a t-shirt, or follow us on social media

Join our Patreon family here: www.patreon.com/deconstructionists 

Website by Ryan Battles

All photos by Jared Hevron

Logos designed by Joseph Ernst & Stephen Pfluig

T-shirt designs by Joseph Ernst, Chad Flannigan, Colin Rigsby, and Jason Turner. 

Starting your own podcast? Try Riverside! https://riverside.fm/?utm_campaign=campaign_1&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_source=rewardful&via=john-williamson

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Guest Info/Bio:

Part 2 of my conversation with the amazing Dr. Janet Kellogg Ray! Dr. Ray currently teaches biology at the University of North Texas and speaks and writes at the intersection of science, culture, and faith. We discuss the disconnect between faith and science and why science isn’t at odds with religion. 

She is an adjunct clinical assistant professor at the University of North Texas in the Department of Biological Sciences. She holds a PhD in Curriculum and Instruction from the University of North Texas, a M.Ed. in Gifted Education from Hardin-Simmons University and a B.S.Ed. in biology from Abilene Christian University. 

Guest (select) Published Works: Baby Dinosaurs on the Ark? The Bible and Modern Science and the Trouble of Making It All Fit; The God of Monkey Science: People of Faith in a Modern Scientific World

Guest Links:

www.janetkray.com 

Instagram: @janetkelloggray 

Twitter: @janetkelloggray 

Facebook: @janetkelloggray 

Theme music by: Forrest Clay 

“Does God” & “Recover” can be found on the brand new EP, Recover 

You can find Forrest Clay's music on iTunes, Apple Music, Spotify, YouTube, or anywhere good music is found!

This episode of the Deconstructionists Podcast was edited, mixed, and produced by John Williamson 

Stay on top of all of the latest at www.thedeconstructionists.com Go there to check out our blog, snag a t-shirt, or follow us on social media

Join our Patreon family here: www.patreon.com/deconstructionists 

Website by Ryan Battles

All photos by Jared Hevron

Logos designed by Joseph Ernst & Stephen Pfluig

T-shirt designs by Joseph Ernst, Chad Flannigan, Colin Rigsby, and Jason Turner. 

Check out Factor 75 and use my code deconstruct50 for a great deal: https://www.factor75.com/

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Guest Info/Bio:

This week I welcome Dr. Janet Kellogg Ray! Dr. Ray currently teaches biology at the University of North Texas and speaks and writes at the intersection of science, culture, and faith. We discuss the disconnect between faith and science and why science isn’t at odds with religion. 

She is an adjunct clinical assistant professor at the University of North Texas in the Department of Biological Sciences. She holds a PhD in Curriculum and Instruction from the University of North Texas, a M.Ed. in Gifted Education from Hardin-Simmons University and a B.S.Ed. in biology from Abilene Christian University. 

Guest (select) Published Works: Baby Dinosaurs on the Ark? The Bible and Modern Science and the Trouble of Making It All Fit; The God of Monkey Science: People of Faith in a Modern Scientific World

Guest Links:

www.janetkray.com 

Instagram: @janetkelloggray 

Twitter: @janetkelloggray 

Facebook: @janetkelloggray 

Theme music by: Forrest Clay 

“Does God” & “Recover” can be found on the brand new EP, Recover 

You can find Forrest Clay's music on iTunes, Apple Music, Spotify, YouTube, or anywhere good music is found!

This episode of the Deconstructionists Podcast was edited, mixed, and produced by John Williamson 

Stay on top of all of the latest at www.thedeconstructionists.com Go there to check out our blog, snag a t-shirt, or follow us on social media

Join our Patreon family here: www.patreon.com/deconstructionists 

Website by Ryan Battles

All photos by Jared Hevron

Logos designed by Joseph Ernst & Stephen Pfluig

T-shirt designs by Joseph Ernst, Chad Flannigan, Colin Rigsby, and Jason Turner. 

Check out Factor 75 and use my code deconstruct50 for a great deal: https://www.factor75.com/

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Guest Info/Bio:

This week’s guest is Pastor/Author/Podcaster Derek Kubilus. Derek just released a fantastic book on the topic of Hell, how we came to view Hell as we do, and what that says about how we view God. 

Derek is an ordained elder serving in the East Ohio Conference of the United Methodist Church. He is also a member of the Order of Saint Luke and an amateur podcaster.

Guest (select) publications: The Real War on Terror: Waging Holy War in the Peaceful Kingdom; Holy Hell: A Case against Eternal Damnation 

Check out Derek’s podcast: Cross Over Q

Guest Website/Social Media: 

Twitter: @DerekKubilus1

Special Theme Music by: Forrest Clay

Instagram: @forrestclaymusic 

Twitter: @clay_k

YouTube: www.youtube.com/claykmusic 

Songs featured on this episode were from the Recover EP

You can find Clay’s music on iTunes, Apple Music, Spotify, YouTube, or anywhere good music is found!

This episode is sponsored by Hello Fresh - America’s #1 meal kit! My daughter and I swear by it and have our favorite recipes that we make together every week! Go to www.hellofresh.com/deconstruct50 for 50% off PLUS free shipping! 

This episode of the Deconstructionists Podcast was edited, mixed, and produced by John Williamson 

Stay on top of all of the latest at www.thedeconstructionists.com Go there to check out our blog, snag a t-shirt, or follow us on social media

Join our Patreon family here: www.patreon.com/deconstructionists 

Website by Ryan Battles

All photos by Jared Hevron

Logos designed by Joseph Ernst & Stephen Pfluig

T-shirt designs by Joseph Ernst, Chad Flannigan, Colin Rigsby, and Jason Turner. 

This episode is sponsored by Hello Fresh! Go to www.hellofresh.com/50deconstruct and use code 50deconstruct for 50% off PLUS free shipping!

Starting your own podcast? Try Riverside! https://riverside.fm/?utm_campaign=campaign_1&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_source=rewardful&via=john-williamson

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Guest Info/Bio:

This week’s guest is Pastor/Author/Podcaster Derek Kubilus. Derek just released a fantastic book on the topic of Hell, how we came to view Hell as we do, and what that says about how we view God. 

Derek is an ordained elder serving in the East Ohio Conference of the United Methodist Church. He is also a member of the Order of Saint Luke and an amateur podcaster.

Guest (select) publications: The Real War on Terror: Waging Holy War in the Peaceful Kingdom; Holy Hell: A Case against Eternal Damnation 

Check out Derek’s podcast: Cross Over Q

Guest Website/Social Media: 

Twitter: @DerekKubilus1

Special Theme Music by: Forrest Clay

Instagram: @forrestclaymusic 

Twitter: @clay_k

YouTube: www.youtube.com/claykmusic 

Songs featured on this episode were from the Recover EP

You can find Clay’s music on iTunes, Apple Music, Spotify, YouTube, or anywhere good music is found!

This episode is sponsored by Hello Fresh - America’s #1 meal kit! My daughter and I swear by it and have our favorite recipes that we make together every week! Go to www.hellofresh.com/deconstruct50 for 50% off PLUS free shipping! 

This episode of the Deconstructionists Podcast was edited, mixed, and produced by John Williamson 

Stay on top of all of the latest at www.thedeconstructionists.com Go there to check out our blog, snag a t-shirt, or follow us on social media

Join our Patreon family here: www.patreon.com/deconstructionists 

Website by Ryan Battles

All photos by Jared Hevron

Logos designed by Joseph Ernst & Stephen Pfluig

T-shirt designs by Joseph Ernst, Chad Flannigan, Colin Rigsby, and Jason Turner. 

This episode is sponsored by Hello Fresh! Go to www.hellofresh.com/50deconstruct and use code 50deconstruct for 50% off PLUS free shipping!

Starting your own podcast? Try Riverside! https://riverside.fm/?utm_campaign=campaign_1&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_source=rewardful&via=john-williamson

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Guest Info/Bio:

This week’s guest is Dr. Mohammad Khalil! Dr. Khalil is professor of religious studies, director of the Muslim Studies Program, and Adjunct Professor in the College of Law at Michigan State University. HIs speciality is Islamic thought, and much of his research revolves around Muslim conceptions of and interactions with non-Muslims.

Guest (select) publications: Islam and the Fate of Others: The Salvation Question; Jihad, Radicalism, and the New Atheism. 

Guest Website/Social Media: 

Twitter: @khalilmsu 

Special Theme Music by: Forrest Clay

Instagram: @forrestclaymusic 

Twitter: @clay_k

YouTube: www.youtube.com/claykmusic 

Songs featured on this episode were from the Recover EP

You can find Clay’s music on iTunes, Apple Music, Spotify, YouTube, or anywhere good music is found!

This episode is sponsored by Hello Fresh - America’s #1 meal kit! My daughter and I swear by it and have our favorite recipes that we make together every week! Go to www.hellofresh.com/deconstruct50 for 50% off PLUS free shipping! 

This episode of the Deconstructionists Podcast was edited, mixed, and produced by John Williamson 

Stay on top of all of the latest at www.thedeconstructionists.com Go there to check out our blog, snag a t-shirt, or follow us on social media

Join our Patreon family here: www.patreon.com/deconstructionists 

Website by Ryan Battles

All photos by Jared Hevron

Logos designed by Joseph Ernst & Stephen Pfluig

T-shirt designs by Joseph Ernst, Chad Flannigan, Colin Rigsby, and Jason Turner. 

This episode is sponsored by Hello Fresh! Go to www.hellofresh.com/50deconstruct and use code 50deconstruct for 50% off PLUS free shipping!

Starting your own podcast? Try Riverside! https://riverside.fm/?utm_campaign=campaign_1&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_source=rewardful&via=john-williamson

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Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Guest Info/Bio:

This week’s guest is Dr. Mohammad Khalil! Dr. Khalil is professor of religious studies, director of the Muslim Studies Program, and Adjunct Professor in the College of Law at Michigan State University. HIs speciality is Islamic thought, and much of his research revolves around Muslim conceptions of and interactions with non-Muslims.

Guest (select) publications: Islam and the Fate of Others: The Salvation Question; Jihad, Radicalism, and the New Atheism. 

Guest Website/Social Media: 

Twitter: @khalilmsu 

Special Theme Music by: Forrest Clay

Instagram: @forrestclaymusic 

Twitter: @clay_k

YouTube: www.youtube.com/claykmusic 

Songs featured on this episode were from the Recover EP

You can find Clay’s music on iTunes, Apple Music, Spotify, YouTube, or anywhere good music is found!

This episode is sponsored by Hello Fresh - America’s #1 meal kit! My daughter and I swear by it and have our favorite recipes that we make together every week! Go to www.hellofresh.com/deconstruct50 for 50% off PLUS free shipping! 

This episode of the Deconstructionists Podcast was edited, mixed, and produced by John Williamson 

Stay on top of all of the latest at www.thedeconstructionists.com Go there to check out our blog, snag a t-shirt, or follow us on social media

Join our Patreon family here: www.patreon.com/deconstructionists 

Website by Ryan Battles

All photos by Jared Hevron

Logos designed by Joseph Ernst & Stephen Pfluig

T-shirt designs by Joseph Ernst, Chad Flannigan, Colin Rigsby, and Jason Turner. 

This episode is sponsored by Hello Fresh! Go to www.hellofresh.com/50deconstruct and use code 50deconstruct for 50% off PLUS free shipping!

Starting your own podcast? Try Riverside! https://riverside.fm/?utm_campaign=campaign_1&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_source=rewardful&via=john-williamson

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Guest Info/Bio:

This week’s guest is the return of the amazing Rabbi Brad Hirschfield! We discuss stories from what we refer to as the Old Testament from the Christian and Jewish perspectives. This is part 1 of 2.

Listed for many years in Newsweek as one of America’s “50 Most Influential Rabbis,” and recognized as one of our nation’s leading “Preachers & Teachers,” by Beliefnet.com, Fox News regular contributor, Washington Post blogger, and think tank President Brad Hirschfield is the author of You Don’t Have To Be Wrong For Me To Be Right: Finding Faith Without Fanaticism (Harmony, 2008). He also conceived and hosted two groundbreaking series for Bridges TV—American Muslim TV Network, Building Bridges: Abrahamic Perspectives on the World Today (three seasons), and American Pilgrimage. He is also the Co-founder and Executive Editor of The Wisdom Daily.

An expert on religion and public life, Hirschfield offers a unique perspective on the American spiritual landscape and political and social trends to audiences nationwide. A regular on Lou Dobbs Tonight on the Fox Business Network, and The Washington Post’s Conversations: Live Q & A, he’s been a contributor on ethical issues for Tru-TV, co-hosted the weekly radio show Hirschfield and Kula and is frequently quoted in the press. A popular guest on such shows as The Dennis Miller Show, Lars Larson, and Fox News.com Live, he has appeared on CNN, PBS, MTV and NPR, among others, and was featured on PBS’s “Frontline: Faith and Doubt at Ground Zero,” and the acclaimed documentary, Freaks Like Me. A regular commentator for The Huffington Post and one of Patheos.com’s Experts, he contributes frequently to Fox News Opinion, writes a column, For God’s Sake, for the WashingtonPost.com’s “On Faith.” His blog, Windows & Doors, appears on Beliefnet.com (the net’s largest site for spirituality and inspiration), and was featured on the homepage of Digg.com.

Rabbi Hirschfield is also an interfaith activist, he has inspired audiences from the Aspen Institute and the Washington National Cathedral, to the Islamic Society of North America and many leading universities and religious institutions. A featured speaker at Parliament of the World’s Religions in both Barcelona and Melbourne, he was recently invited by the Governments of the United States and the Republic of Indonesia to speak at the Jakarta Interfaith Dialogue

Guest (select) publications: You Don’t Have to Be Wrong For Me To Be Right: Finding Faith Without Fanaticism 

Guest Website/Social Media: 

www.clal.org 

Twitter: @BradHirschfield 

Special Theme Music by: Forrest Clay

Instagram: @forrestclaymusic 

Twitter: @clay_k

YouTube: www.youtube.com/claykmusic  

Songs featured on this episode were from the Recover EP

You can find Clay’s music on iTunes, Apple Music, Spotify, YouTube, or anywhere good music is found!

This episode is sponsored by Hello Fresh - America’s #1 meal kit! My daughter and I swear by it and have our favorite recipes that we make together every week! Go to www.hellofresh.com/deconstruct50 for 50% off PLUS free shipping! 

This episode of the Deconstructionists Podcast was edited, mixed, and produced by John Williamson 

Stay on top of all of the latest at www.thedeconstructionists.com Go there to check out our blog, snag a t-shirt, or follow us on social media

Join our Patreon family here: www.patreon.com/deconstructionists 

Website by Ryan Battles

All photos by Jared Hevron

Logos designed by Joseph Ernst & Stephen Pfluig

T-shirt designs by Joseph Ernst, Chad Flannigan, Colin Rigsby, and Jason Turner. 

Starting your own podcast? Try Riverside! https://riverside.fm/?utm_campaign=campaign_1&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_source=rewardful&via=john-williamson

Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-deconstructionists/donations

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Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Guest Info/Bio:

This week’s guest is the return of the amazing Rabbi Brad Hirschfield! We discuss stories from what we refer to as the Old Testament from the Christian and Jewish perspectives. This is part 1 of 2.

Listed for many years in Newsweek as one of America’s “50 Most Influential Rabbis,” and recognized as one of our nation’s leading “Preachers & Teachers,” by Beliefnet.com, Fox News regular contributor, Washington Post blogger, and think tank President Brad Hirschfield is the author of You Don’t Have To Be Wrong For Me To Be Right: Finding Faith Without Fanaticism (Harmony, 2008). He also conceived and hosted two groundbreaking series for Bridges TV—American Muslim TV Network, Building Bridges: Abrahamic Perspectives on the World Today (three seasons), and American Pilgrimage. He is also the Co-founder and Executive Editor of The Wisdom Daily.

An expert on religion and public life, Hirschfield offers a unique perspective on the American spiritual landscape and political and social trends to audiences nationwide. A regular on Lou Dobbs Tonight on the Fox Business Network, and The Washington Post’s Conversations: Live Q & A, he’s been a contributor on ethical issues for Tru-TV, co-hosted the weekly radio show Hirschfield and Kula and is frequently quoted in the press. A popular guest on such shows as The Dennis Miller Show, Lars Larson, and Fox News.com Live, he has appeared on CNN, PBS, MTV and NPR, among others, and was featured on PBS’s “Frontline: Faith and Doubt at Ground Zero,” and the acclaimed documentary, Freaks Like Me. A regular commentator for The Huffington Post and one of Patheos.com’s Experts, he contributes frequently to Fox News Opinion, writes a column, For God’s Sake, for the WashingtonPost.com’s “On Faith.” His blog, Windows & Doors, appears on Beliefnet.com (the net’s largest site for spirituality and inspiration), and was featured on the homepage of Digg.com.

Rabbi Hirschfield is also an interfaith activist, he has inspired audiences from the Aspen Institute and the Washington National Cathedral, to the Islamic Society of North America and many leading universities and religious institutions. A featured speaker at Parliament of the World’s Religions in both Barcelona and Melbourne, he was recently invited by the Governments of the United States and the Republic of Indonesia to speak at the Jakarta Interfaith Dialogue

Guest (select) publications: You Don’t Have to Be Wrong For Me To Be Right: Finding Faith Without Fanaticism 

Guest Website/Social Media: 

www.clal.org 

Twitter: @BradHirschfield 

Special Theme Music by: Forrest Clay

Instagram: @forrestclaymusic 

Twitter: @clay_k

YouTube: www.youtube.com/claykmusic  

Songs featured on this episode were from the Recover EP

You can find Clay’s music on iTunes, Apple Music, Spotify, YouTube, or anywhere good music is found!

This episode is sponsored by Hello Fresh - America’s #1 meal kit! My daughter and I swear by it and have our favorite recipes that we make together every week! Go to www.hellofresh.com/deconstruct50 for 50% off PLUS free shipping! 

This episode of the Deconstructionists Podcast was edited, mixed, and produced by John Williamson 

Stay on top of all of the latest at www.thedeconstructionists.com Go there to check out our blog, snag a t-shirt, or follow us on social media

Join our Patreon family here: www.patreon.com/deconstructionists 

Website by Ryan Battles

All photos by Jared Hevron

Logos designed by Joseph Ernst & Stephen Pfluig

T-shirt designs by Joseph Ernst, Chad Flannigan, Colin Rigsby, and Jason Turner. 

Starting your own podcast? Try Riverside! https://riverside.fm/?utm_campaign=campaign_1&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_source=rewardful&via=john-williamson

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Guest Info/Bio:

This week’s guest is the amazing Rabbi Brad Hirschfield and part 2 of our conversion. Listed for many years in Newsweek as one of America’s “50 Most Influential Rabbis,” and recognized as one of our nation’s leading “Preachers & Teachers,” by Beliefnet.com, Fox News regular contributor, Washington Post blogger, and think tank President Brad Hirschfield is the author of You Don’t Have To Be Wrong For Me To Be Right: Finding Faith Without Fanaticism (Harmony, 2008). He also conceived and hosted two groundbreaking series for Bridges TV—American Muslim TV Network, Building Bridges: Abrahamic Perspectives on the World Today (three seasons), and American Pilgrimage. He is also the Co-founder and Executive Editor of The Wisdom Daily.

An expert on religion and public life, Hirschfield offers a unique perspective on the American spiritual landscape and political and social trends to audiences nationwide. A regular on Lou Dobbs Tonight on the Fox Business Network, and The Washington Post’s Conversations: Live Q & A, he’s been a contributor on ethical issues for Tru-TV, co-hosted the weekly radio show Hirschfield and Kula and is frequently quoted in the press. A popular guest on such shows as The Dennis Miller Show, Lars Larson, and Fox News.com Live, he has appeared on CNN, PBS, MTV and NPR, among others, and was featured on PBS’s “Frontline: Faith and Doubt at Ground Zero,” and the acclaimed documentary, Freaks Like Me. A regular commentator for The Huffington Post and one of Patheos.com’s Experts, he contributes frequently to Fox News Opinion, writes a column, For God’s Sake, for the WashingtonPost.com’s “On Faith.” His blog, Windows & Doors, appears on Beliefnet.com (the net’s largest site for spirituality and inspiration), and was featured on the homepage of Digg.com.

Rabbi Hirschfield is also an interfaith activist, he has inspired audiences from the Aspen Institute and the Washington National Cathedral, to the Islamic Society of North America and many leading universities and religious institutions. A featured speaker at Parliament of the World’s Religions in both Barcelona and Melbourne, he was recently invited by the Governments of the United States and the Republic of Indonesia to speak at the Jakarta Interfaith Dialogue

Guest (select) publications: You Don’t Have to Be Wrong For Me To Be Right: Finding Faith Without Fanaticism 

Guest Website/Social Media: 

www.clal.org 

Twitter: @BradHirschfield 

Special Theme Music by: Forrest Clay

Instagram: @forrestclaymusic 

Twitter: @clay_k

YouTube: www.youtube.com/claykmusic  

Songs featured on this episode were from the Recover EP

You can find Clay’s music on iTunes, Apple Music, Spotify, YouTube, or anywhere good music is found!

This episode is sponsored by Hello Fresh - America’s #1 meal kit! My daughter and I swear by it and have our favorite recipes that we make together every week! Go to www.hellofresh.com/deconstruct50 for 50% off PLUS free shipping! 

This episode of the Deconstructionists Podcast was edited, mixed, and produced by John Williamson 

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This week’s guest is the amazing Rabbi Brad Hirschfield! Listed for many years in Newsweek as one of America’s “50 Most Influential Rabbis,” and recognized as one of our nation’s leading “Preachers & Teachers,” by Beliefnet.com, Fox News regular contributor, Washington Post blogger, and think tank President Brad Hirschfield is the author of You Don’t Have To Be Wrong For Me To Be Right: Finding Faith Without Fanaticism (Harmony, 2008). He also conceived and hosted two groundbreaking series for Bridges TV—American Muslim TV Network, Building Bridges: Abrahamic Perspectives on the World Today (three seasons), and American Pilgrimage. He is also the Co-founder and Executive Editor of The Wisdom Daily.

An expert on religion and public life, Hirschfield offers a unique perspective on the American spiritual landscape and political and social trends to audiences nationwide. A regular on Lou Dobbs Tonight on the Fox Business Network, and The Washington Post’s Conversations: Live Q & A, he’s been a contributor on ethical issues for Tru-TV, co-hosted the weekly radio show Hirschfield and Kula and is frequently quoted in the press. A popular guest on such shows as The Dennis Miller Show, Lars Larson, and Fox News.com Live, he has appeared on CNN, PBS, MTV and NPR, among others, and was featured on PBS’s “Frontline: Faith and Doubt at Ground Zero,” and the acclaimed documentary, Freaks Like Me. A regular commentator for The Huffington Post and one of Patheos.com’s Experts, he contributes frequently to Fox News Opinion, writes a column, For God’s Sake, for the WashingtonPost.com’s “On Faith.” His blog, Windows & Doors, appears on Beliefnet.com (the net’s largest site for spirituality and inspiration), and was featured on the homepage of Digg.com.

Rabbi Hirschfield is also an interfaith activist, he has inspired audiences from the Aspen Institute and the Washington National Cathedral, to the Islamic Society of North America and many leading universities and religious institutions. A featured speaker at Parliament of the World’s Religions in both Barcelona and Melbourne, he was recently invited by the Governments of the United States and the Republic of Indonesia to speak at the Jakarta Interfaith Dialogue

Guest (select) publications: You Don’t Have to Be Wrong For Me To Be Right: Finding Faith Without Fanaticism 

Guest Website/Social Media: 

www.clal.org 

Twitter: @BradHirschfield 

Special Theme Music by: Forrest Clay

Instagram: @forrestclaymusic 

Twitter: @clay_k

YouTube: www.youtube.com/claykmusic  

Songs featured on this episode were from the Recover EP

You can find Clay’s music on iTunes, Apple Music, Spotify, YouTube, or anywhere good music is found!

This episode is sponsored by Hello Fresh - America’s #1 meal kit! My daughter and I swear by it and have our favorite recipes that we make together every week! Go to www.hellofresh.com/deconstruct50 for 50% off PLUS free shipping! 

This episode of the Deconstructionists Podcast was edited, mixed, and produced by John Williamson 

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This week’s guest is Dr. Chris Hoklotubbe! Chris serves as both an assistant professor of Classics at Cornell College in Mount Vernon, Iowa, in his capacity of teaching courses on Christianity and world religions , and as director of graduate studies for NAIITS: An Indigenous learning community. 

Dr. Hoklotubbe (Choctaw) teaches courses on the intersection of race, gender, and sexuality in the Christian Tradition, the New Testament, Roman Religion, Native American Spiritualities, World Religions, and Religion and American Politics. He also co-leads interdisciplinary off-campus courses that explore the theme of pilgrimage along "El Camino de Santiago" in Northern Spain (Summer 2021, with Spanish), the topics of ancient philosophy, religion, politics, and archaeology in Greece and Turkey (Spring 2021, with Classics), and the history, art, and culture of North American Indigenous tribes (coming 2022-23, with Art History). His book, “Civilized Piety: The Rhetoric of Pietas in the Pastoral Epistles and the Roman Empire” (Baylor University Press, 2017), brings together his research interests in early Christianity, Greco-Roman archaeology, ancient philosophy, and critical theory. Hoklotubbe has also written on Native American interpretations of the Bible and the concept of "Docetism" in Early Christian studies. He continues to research and write on the Pastoral Epistles and Native American interpretations of the Bible. He’s currently co-writing a book on Indigenous Interpretations of the Bible with Cree First Nations New Testament scholar, Daniel Zacharias, which will be published with InterVarsity Press. 

Guest (select) publications: Civilized Piety: The Rhetoric of Pietas in the Pastoral Epistles and the Roman Empire” (Baylor University Press, 2017)

Guest Website/Social Media: 

Twitter: @DocHoklo 

NAIITS: A Learning Community: www.naiits.com 

Eloheh an Indigenous centyer for Earth Justice: www.eloheh.org 

Good Medicine Way: https://gmwgathering.org

Special Theme Music by: Forrest Clay

Instagram: @forrestclaymusic 

Twitter: @clay_k

YouTube: www.youtube.com/claykmusic  

Songs featured on this episode were from the Recover EP

You can find Clay’s music on iTunes, Apple Music, Spotify, YouTube, or anywhere good music is found!

This episode is sponsored by Hello Fresh - America’s #1 meal kit! My daughter and I swear by it and have our favorite recipes that we make together every week! Go to www.hellofresh.com/deconstruct16 for 16 FREE meals PLUS free shipping! 

This episode of the Deconstructionists Podcast was edited, mixed, and produced by John Williamson 

Stay on top of all of the latest at www.thedeconstructionists.com Go there to check out our blog, snag a t-shirt, or follow us on social media

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Guest Info/Bio:

This week’s guest is Dr. Chris Hoklotubbe! Chris serves as both an assistant professor of Classics at Cornell College in Mount Vernon, Iowa, in his capacity of teaching courses on Christianity and world religions , and as director of graduate studies for NAIITS: An Indigenous learning community. 

Dr. Hoklotubbe (Choctaw) teaches courses on the intersection of race, gender, and sexuality in the Christian Tradition, the New Testament, Roman Religion, Native American Spiritualities, World Religions, and Religion and American Politics. He also co-leads interdisciplinary off-campus courses that explore the theme of pilgrimage along "El Camino de Santiago" in Northern Spain (Summer 2021, with Spanish), the topics of ancient philosophy, religion, politics, and archaeology in Greece and Turkey (Spring 2021, with Classics), and the history, art, and culture of North American Indigenous tribes (coming 2022-23, with Art History). His book, “Civilized Piety: The Rhetoric of Pietas in the Pastoral Epistles and the Roman Empire” (Baylor University Press, 2017), brings together his research interests in early Christianity, Greco-Roman archaeology, ancient philosophy, and critical theory. Hoklotubbe has also written on Native American interpretations of the Bible and the concept of "Docetism" in Early Christian studies. He continues to research and write on the Pastoral Epistles and Native American interpretations of the Bible. He’s currently co-writing a book on Indigenous Interpretations of the Bible with Cree First Nations New Testament scholar, Daniel Zacharias, which will be published with InterVarsity Press. 

Guest (select) publications: Civilized Piety: The Rhetoric of Pietas in the Pastoral Epistles and the Roman Empire” (Baylor University Press, 2017)

Guest Website/Social Media: 

Twitter: @DocHoklo 

NAIITS: A Learning Community: www.naiits.com 

Eloheh an Indigenous centyer for Earth Justice: www.eloheh.org 

Special Theme Music by: Forrest Clay

Instagram: @forrestclaymusic 

Twitter: @clay_k

YouTube: www.youtube.com/claykmusic 

Songs featured on this episode were from the Recover EP

You can find Clay’s music on iTunes, Apple Music, Spotify, YouTube, or anywhere good music is found!

This episode is sponsored by Hello Fresh - America’s #1 meal kit! My daughter and I swear by it and have our favorite recipes that we make together every week! Go to www.hellofresh.com/deconstruct16 for 16 FREE meals PLUS free shipping! 

This episode of the Deconstructionists Podcast was edited, mixed, and produced by John Williamson 

Stay on top of all of the latest at www.thedeconstructionists.com Go there to check out our blog, snag a t-shirt, or follow us on social media

Join our Patreon family here: www.patreon.com/deconstructionists 

Website by Ryan Battles

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Logos designed by Joseph Ernst & Stephen Pfluig

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Guest Bio: Thomas Jay Oord is a theologian, philosopher, and scholar of multi-disciplinary studies. He is an award-winning author, and he has written or edited more than twenty books. Oord has won the Outstanding Faculty Award twelve times as professor of Northwest Nazarene University, Nampa, Idaho. Oord is known for his contributions to research on love, relational theology, science and religion, and Wesleyan/Holiness/Church of the Nazarene thought.

(Select) Guest Publications: The Nature of Love: A Theology; The Uncontrolling Love of God: An Open and Relational Account of Providence; God Can't: How to Believe in God and Love After Tragedy, Abuse, and Other Evils; and God Can't Q&A. Pluriform Love: An Open and Relational Theology of Well-Being; The Death of Omnipotence and Birth of Amipotence."

Guest Links:

www.thomasjayoord.com

Twitter: @thomasjayoord

Theme music by Forrest Clay. Check out the Recover EP anywhere good music is sold.

Stay on top of all the latest at www.thedeconstructionists.com Go there to read our blog, grab a tee shirt, snag a pint glass or mug, follow us on social media, or join our Patreon family.

The Deconstructionists Podcast is edited, mixed, and produced by John Williamson.

Website by Ryan Battles

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This week’s guest is Dr. Jodi Magness. Jodi is the Kenan Distinguished Professor at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. She is a Classical and Biblical archaeologist specializing in ancient Palestine (modern Israel, Jordan, and the Palestinian territories) from the time of Jesus up to the tenth century. Her research interests include Jerusalem, Qumran and the Dead Sea Scrolls, ancient synagogues, Masada, the Roman army in the East, ancient pottery, the Byzantine-early Islamic transition, and Diaspora Judaism in the Roman world. IShe has participated on over 20 excavations in Israel and in Greece, including co-directing the 1995 excavations in the Roman siege works at Masada. Since 2011, she has directed excavations at Huqoq in Israel’s Galilee, which are bringing to light a monumental Late Roman (fifth century) synagogue paved with stunning mosaics (for more information visit: Huqoq.

Jodi is a member of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences, and Past President of the Archaeological Institute of America.

Guest (selected) Publications: Her most recent books are Masada: From Jewish Revolt to Modern Myth (2019) and The Archaeology of Qumran and the Dead Sea Scrolls (2nd edition 2021). I am currently writing a book on Jerusalem Through the Ages (under contract with Oxford University Press).

Guest Website/Social Media: 

www.jodimagness.org 

Special Theme Music by: Forrest Clay

Instagram: @forrestclaymusic 

Twitter: @clay_k

YouTube: www.youtube.com/claykmusic 

Songs featured on this episode were: “Does God” and “This Water I am Treading” from the Recover EP

You can find Clay’s music on iTunes, Apple Music, Spotify, YouTube, or anywhere good music is found!

This episode is sponsored by Hello Fresh - America’s #1 meal kit! My daughter and I swear by it and have our favorite recipes that we make together every week! Go to www.hellofresh.com/deconstruct16 for 16 FREE meals PLUS free shipping! 

This episode of the Deconstructionists Podcast was edited, mixed, and produced by John Williamson 

Stay on top of all of the latest at www.thedeconstructionists.com Go there to check out our blog, snag a t-shirt, or follow us on social media

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Website by Ryan Battles

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Guest Info/Bio:

This week’s guest is Dr. Jodi Magness. Jodi is the Kenan Distinguished Professor at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. She is a Classical and Biblical archaeologist specializing in ancient Palestine (modern Israel, Jordan, and the Palestinian territories) from the time of Jesus up to the tenth century. Her research interests include Jerusalem, Qumran and the Dead Sea Scrolls, ancient synagogues, Masada, the Roman army in the East, ancient pottery, the Byzantine-early Islamic transition, and Diaspora Judaism in the Roman world. IShe has participated on over 20 excavations in Israel and in Greece, including co-directing the 1995 excavations in the Roman siege works at Masada. Since 2011, she has directed excavations at Huqoq in Israel’s Galilee, which are bringing to light a monumental Late Roman (fifth century) synagogue paved with stunning mosaics (for more information visit: Huqoq.

Jodi is a member of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences, and Past President of the Archaeological Institute of America.

Guest (selected) Publications: Her most recent books are Masada: From Jewish Revolt to Modern Myth (2019) and The Archaeology of Qumran and the Dead Sea Scrolls (2nd edition 2021). I am currently writing a book on Jerusalem Through the Ages (under contract with Oxford University Press).

Guest Website/Social Media: 

www.jodimagness.org 

Special Theme Music by: Forrest Clay

Instagram: @forrestclaymusic 

Twitter: @clay_k

YouTube: www.youtube.com/claykmusic 

Songs featured on this episode were: “Does God” and “This Water I am Treading” from the Recover EP

You can find Clay’s music on iTunes, Apple Music, Spotify, YouTube, or anywhere good music is found!

This episode is sponsored by Hello Fresh - America’s #1 meal kit! My daughter and I swear by it and have our favorite recipes that we make together every week! Go to www.hellofresh.com/deconstruct16 for 16 FREE meals PLUS free shipping! 

This episode of the Deconstructionists Podcast was edited, mixed, and produced by John Williamson 

Stay on top of all of the latest at www.thedeconstructionists.com Go there to check out our blog, snag a t-shirt, or follow us on social media

Join our Patreon family here: www.patreon.com/deconstructionists 

Website by Ryan Battles

All photos by Jared Hevron

Logos designed by Joseph Ernst & Stephen Pfluig

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Guest Info/Bio:

This week I had the chance to talk one of my favorite scholars, Dr. Dan O. McClellan in part 2 of 2 episodes. Dan received is bachelor’s degree from Brigham Young University in ancient Near Eastern Studies, where he focused on Biblical Hebrew and minored in Classical Greek. He completed his master of studies in Jewish studies at the University of Oxford in July of 2010 and his mater of arts in biblical studies in 2013 at Trinity Western University. In early 2020, he defended his doctoral dissertation written for the University of Exeter on the cognitive science of religion and the conceptualization of deity and divine agency in the Hebrew Bible. He later worked as a scripture translation supervisor for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints in Salt Lake City from 2013-2023, and has occasionally taught courses at Brigham Young University as an adjunct professor. 

Dan’s areas of specialization are Second Temple Judaism, early Israelite religion, textual criticism of the Hebrew Bible, early christology, the cognitive science of religion, cognitive linguistics, and religious identity. 

Check out Dan’s social media channels and his new podcast, Data Over Dogma 

Guest (selected) Publications: YHWH’s Divine Images 

Guest Website/Social Media: 

www.inktr.ee/maklelan 

www.maklelan.org 

www.danielomcclellan.wordpress.com 

YouTube: @maklelan 

Instagram: @maklelan 

Twitter: @maklelan 

Special Music by: Forrest Clay from the Recover EP

You can find Clay’s music on iTunes, Apple Music, Spotify, YouTube, or anywhere good music is found!

This episode of the Deconstructionists Podcast was edited, mixed, and produced by John Williamson 

Stay on top of all of the latest at www.thedeconstructionists.com Go there to check out our blog, snag a t-shirt, or follow us on social media

Join our Patreon family here: www.patreon.com/deconstructionists 

Website by Ryan Battles

All photos by Jared Hevron

Logos designed by Joseph Ernst & Stephen Pfluig

T-shirt designs by Joseph Ernst, Chad Flannigan, Colin Rigsby, and Jason Turner. 

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Guest Info/Bio:

This week I had the chance to talk one of my favorite scholars, Dr. Dan O. McClellan in part 1 of 2 episodes. Dan received is bachelor’s degree from Brigham Young University in ancient Near Eastern Studies, where he focused on Biblical Hebrew and minored in Classical Greek. He completed his master of studies in Jewish studies at the University of Oxford in July of 2010 and his mater of arts in biblical studies in 2013 at Trinity Western University. In early 2020, he defended his doctoral dissertation written for the University of Exeter on the cognitive science of religion and the conceptualization of deity and divine agency in the Hebrew Bible. He later worked as a scripture translation supervisor for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints in Salt Lake City from 2013-2023, and has occasionally taught courses at Brigham Young University as an adjunct professor. 

Dan’s areas of specialization are Second Temple Judaism, early Israelite religion, textual criticism of the Hebrew Bible, early christology, the cognitive science of religion, cognitive linguistics, and religious identity. 

Check out Dan’s social media channels and his new podcast, Data Over Dogma 

Guest (selected) Publications: YHWH’s Divine Images 

Guest Website/Social Media: 

www.inktr.ee/maklelan 

www.maklelan.org 

www.danielomcclellan.wordpress.com 

YouTube: @maklelan 

Instagram: @maklelan 

Twitter: @maklelan 

Theme Music by: Forrest Clay off the Recover EP

You can find Clay's music on iTunes, Apple Music, Spotify, YouTube, or anywhere good music is found!

This episode of the Deconstructionists Podcast was edited, mixed, and produced by John Williamson 

Stay on top of all of the latest at www.thedeconstructionists.com Go there to check out our blog, snag a t-shirt, or follow us on social media

Join our Patreon family here: www.patreon.com/deconstructionists 

Website by Ryan Battles

All photos by Jared Hevron

Logos designed by Joseph Ernst & Stephen Pfluig

T-shirt designs by Joseph Ernst, Chad Flannigan, Colin Rigsby, and Jason Turner. 

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Guest Info/Bio:

This week I had the chance to talk one of my favorite scholars, Dr. Stephen Prothero. Stephen Prothero is the C. Allyn and Elizabeth V. Russell Professor of Religion in America in the Department of Religion at Boston University. He is the author of numerous books including Religion Matters: An Introduction to the World’s Religions (W.W. Norton 2020), Why Liberals Win the Culture Wars (HarperOne, 2016), God Is Not One: The Eight Rival Religions that Run the World—and Why Their Differences Matter (HarperOne, 2010), and the New York Times bestseller Religious Literacy: What Every American Needs to Know—and Doesn’t (HarperOne, 2007). His books have been published on five continents and translated into eight languages.

Prothero has commented on religion on hundreds of National Public Radio programs, and on television on CNN, MSNBC, FOX, PBS, and all the major networks. He was also a guest on "The Daily Show" with Jon Stewart, "The Colbert Report," and "The Oprah Winfrey Show." A regular contributor to the Wall Street Journal and USA Today, he has written for the New York Times, Slate, Salon, the Washington Post, the Los Angeles Times, and the Boston Globe.

Prothero was the chief academic adviser for the critically acclaimed six-hour WGBH-TV series, "God in America." He also worked as a Senior Fellow at the Smithsonian Institution's National Museum of American History, and as the chief outside writer for CNN's "Belief Blog." He received his BA from Yale in American Studies and his PhD in the Study of Religion from Harvard. He lives on Cape Cod, and he tweets @sprothero.

Guest (selected) Publications: American Jesus: How the Son of God became a National Icon; Religious Literacy: What Every American Needs To Know - And Doesn’t; God Is Not One: The Eight Rival Religions That Run The World; The American Bible: How Our Words Unite, Divide, and Define A Nation; God The Best Seller: How One Editor Transformed American Religion A Book At A Time. 

Guest Website/Social Media: 

www.stephenprothero.com 

Twitter: @sprothero 

Special Music by: Jayne Sugg

https://jaynesugg.com 

www.linktr.ee/jaynesugg 

Instagram: @seejayne 

Songs featured on this episode were: “It’s So Dark” and “Can You Love Me?” from the It’s So Dark EP. 

You can find Jayne's music on iTunes, Apple Music, Spotify, YouTube, or anywhere good music is found!

This episode of the Deconstructionists Podcast was edited, mixed, and produced by John Williamson 

Stay on top of all of the latest at www.thedeconstructionists.com Go there to check out our blog, snag a t-shirt, or follow us on social media

Join our Patreon family here: www.patreon.com/deconstructionists 

Website by Ryan Battles

All photos by Jared Hevron

Logos designed by Joseph Ernst & Stephen Pfluig

T-shirt designs by Joseph Ernst, Chad Flannigan, Colin Rigsby, and Jason Turner. 

Starting your own podcast? Try Riverside! https://riverside.fm/?utm_campaign=campaign_1&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_source=rewardful&via=john-williamson

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Guest Info/Bio:

This week we wrap up our conversation with friend of the pod, Dr. Pete Enns! Dr. Enns (PhD, Harvard University) is Abram S. Clemens professor of Biblical Studies at Eastern University, St. Davids, PA. He has taught courses at several other institutions including Harvard University, Fuller Theological Seminary, and Princeton Theological Seminary. Dr. Enns is a biblical scholar, theologian, and author who has written on topics like hermeneutics, the relationship between science and religion, Christianity and evolution, and Old Testament interpretation. He is also a contributor to the Huffington Post and Patheos and a regular blogger at www.peteenns.com as well as being co-host of the Bible/Faith for Normal People podcast.

(Selected) Guest Publications: The Bible Tells me so…; Inspiration and Incarnation; The Evolution of Adam; Telling God’s Story; The Sin of Certainty; How the Bible Really Works*; and more… ; Curveball: When Your Faith Takes Turns You Never Saw Coming...*or How I Stumbled and Tripped My Way to Finding a Bigger God.

Guest Social Media:

www.peteenns.com

Twitter: @peteenns

Facebook: @PeteEnnsAuthor

Check out Pete’s podcast The Bible For Normal People anywhere you find your podcasts! It’s terrific! We listen to it, and so should you!

Them music by Forrest Clay. You can find his music on iTunes, Spotify, Apple Music, or anywhere good music is found.

This episode of the Deconstructionist’s Podcast was edited, mixed, and produced by John Williamson.

Stay on top of all the latest at www.thedeconstructionists.com! Go there to read our blog, snag a t-shirt, follow us on social media, or join our Patreon family!

Website by Ryan Battles

All photos by Jared Hevron

Logo designed by Joseph Ernst

T-Shirt designs by Joseph Ernst, Chad Flannigan, Colin Rigsby, and Jason Turner.

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Guest Info/Bio:

This week we kick off our 2023 scripture series with friend of the pod, Dr. Pete Enns! Dr. Enns (PhD, Harvard University) is Abram S. Clemens professor of Biblical Studies at Eastern University, St. Davids, PA. He has taught courses at several other institutions including Harvard University, Fuller Theological Seminary, and Princeton Theological Seminary. Dr. Enns is a biblical scholar, theologian, and author who has written on topics like hermeneutics, the relationship between science and religion, Christianity and evolution, and Old Testament interpretation. He is also a contributor to the Huffington Post and Patheos and a regular blogger at www.peteenns.com as well as being co-host of the Bible/Faith for Normal People podcast.

(Selected) Guest Publications: The Bible Tells me so…; Inspiration and Incarnation; The Evolution of Adam; Telling God’s Story; The Sin of Certainty; How the Bible Really Works*; and more… ; Curveball: When Your Faith Takes Turns You Never Saw Coming...*or How I Stumbled and Tripped My Way to Finding a Bigger God.

Guest Social Media:

www.peteenns.com

Twitter: @peteenns

Facebook: @PeteEnnsAuthor

Check out Pete’s podcast The Bible For Normal People anywhere you find your podcasts! It’s terrific! We listen to it, and so should you!

Them music by Forrest Clay. You can find his music on iTunes, Spotify, Apple Music, or anywhere good music is found.

This episode of the Deconstructionist’s Podcast was edited, mixed, and produced by John Williamson.

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This week I talk with New York Times best-selling author, Amy Bloom. Amy just released a deeply personal memoir about her journey with her husband after it was discovered he had Alzheimers and made the decision to end life on his own terms. Grief comes in many forms and those who have had loved ones with incurable diseases that slowly rob you of your loved one is one of them. 

Amy Bloom is the author of four novels: White Houses, Lucky Us, Away, and Love Invents Us; and three collections of short stories: Where the God Of Love Hangs Out, Come to Me (finalist for the National Book Award), and A Blind Man Can See How Much I Love You (finalist for the National Book Critics Circle Award). Her first book of nonfiction, Normal: Transsexual CEOs, Crossdressing Cops and Hermaphrodites with Attitudes, is a staple of university sociology and biology courses. Her most recent book is the widely acclaimed NY Times bestselling memoir, In Love. She has written for magazines such as The New Yorker, The New York Times Magazine, Vogue, Elle, The Atlantic Monthly, Slate, and Salon, and her work has been translated into fifteen languages. She is the Director of the Shapiro Center at Wesleyan University.

Guest (selected) Publications: It’s OK That You’re Not OK: Meeting Grief and Loss in a Culture That Doesn’t Understand” 

Guest Website/Social Media: 

www.amybloom.com 

Facebook: @amybloombooks 

Twitter: @amybloombooks 

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Welcome back for part 2 of my interview with Dr. Jacqueline Bussie. We talk more about the topic of grief and grieving and how society could do a better job of supporting those going through a loss.

Dr. Bussie is an award-winning author, professor, theologian, public speaker, and student of life in all its messy beauty. Her books include “Love without Limits (2018) and “Outlaw Christian” (2016), which won the 2017 Gold Medal Illumination Award for Christian Living. Jacqueline teaches religion, theology, and interfaith studies classes at Concordia College in Moorehead, Minnesota, where she also serves as the Director of the Forum on Faith and Life.

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www.jacquelinebussie.com

Twitter: @jacquelinebussie

Instagram: @jbussie

Facebook: @jacqueline.bussie

This episode of the Deconstructionists Podcast was mixed, edited, and produced by John Williamson.

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Our second guest this season is the amazing Jacqueline Bussie! Jacqueline comes on to discuss the topic of grief for our series on grief and grieving and how her own personal experience has impacted the words she wrote years ago.

Dr. Bussie is an award-winning author, professor, theologian, public speaker, and student of life in all its messy beauty. Her books include “Love without Limits (2018) and “Outlaw Christian” (2016), which won the 2017 Gold Medal Illumination Award for Christian Living. Jacqueline teaches religion, theology, and interfaith studies classes at Concordia College in Moorehead, Minnesota, where she also serves as the Director of the Forum on Faith and Life.

Guest Social Media:

www.jacquelinebussie.com

Twitter: @jacquelinebussie

Instagram: @jbussie

Facebook: @jacqueline.bussie

This episode of the Deconstructionists Podcast was mixed and edited by John Williamson. Special theme music by Forrest Clay.

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This week we wrap up our talk about the resurrection with Dr. Dale C. Allison. Dale C. Allison, Jr. is the Richard J. Dearborn Professor of New Testament at Princeton Theological Seminary. He earned his MA and PhD from Duke University. His academic research and publications include the historical Jesus, the Gospel of Matthew, Second Temple Judaism, and the history of the interpretation and application of biblical texts. His book, Constructing Jesus, was selected as “Best Book Relating to the New Testament” for 2009–2010 by the Biblical Archaeology Society. His most recent books are The Resurrection of Jesus: Apologetics, Polemic, History and Encountering Mystery: Religious Experience in a Secular Age. He served for several years as the main New Testament editor for de Gruyter’s international Encyclopedia of the Bible and Its Reception and has been on the editorial boards of multiple academic journals. On a more popular level, he has written books on George Harrison, religious experience, and death and what might lie beyond.

Guest (selected) Publications: Constructing Jesus; The Resurrection of Jesus: Apologetics, Polemic, History and Encountering Mystery: Religious Experience in a Secular Age

Guest Website/Social Media: 

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNm0D0I5gdQ&t=102s

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This week I had the chance to talk about the resurrection with Dr. Dale C. Allison. This will be the first of two parts. Dale C. Allison, Jr. is the Richard J. Dearborn Professor of New Testament at Princeton Theological Seminary. He earned his MA and PhD from Duke University. His academic research and publications include the historical Jesus, the Gospel of Matthew, Second Temple Judaism, and the history of the interpretation and application of biblical texts. His book, Constructing Jesus, was selected as “Best Book Relating to the New Testament” for 2009–2010 by the Biblical Archaeology Society. His most recent books are The Resurrection of Jesus: Apologetics, Polemic, History and Encountering Mystery: Religious Experience in a Secular Age. He served for several years as the main New Testament editor for de Gruyter’s international Encyclopedia of the Bible and Its Reception and has been on the editorial boards of multiple academic journals. On a more popular level, he has written books on George Harrison, religious experience, and death and what might lie beyond.

Guest (selected) Publications: Constructing Jesus; The Resurrection of Jesus: Apologetics, Polemic, History and Encountering Mystery: Religious Experience in a Secular Age

Guest Website/Social Media: 

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNm0D0I5gdQ&t=102s

Theme Music by: Forrest Clay found on the EP, Recover.

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Welcome back for part 2 of my conversation with Megan Devine in our series on grief and loss. Psychotherapist Megan Devine believes that making the world a better place starts with acknowledging grief, rather than seeking to overcome it. She advocates for a revolution in how we discuss loss – personally, professionally, and as a wider community.

Megan is the author of the best-selling book, It’s OK that You’re Not OK: Meeting Grief & Loss in a Culture that Doesn’t Understand, and her guided grief journal, How to Carry What Can’t Be Fixed. Her animated “how to help a grieving friend” video distills a complex issue into simple, actionable steps in just over three (adorable) minutes. Gaining over 50 million views in its first few months, the animation is now used in training programs all around the world.

Megan’s work has been translated into 15 languages, and is featured widely in the media, including the New York Times, Marketplace, The Atlantic, Washington Post, GQ, Harvard Business Review, and Bitch magazine. She’s a sought after expert when grief erupts in the public sphere. Her latest collaborative project, the PBS documentary Speaking Grief, is out now. 

Guest (selected) Publications: It’s OK That You’re Not OK: Meeting Grief and Loss in a Culture That Doesn’t Understand” 

Guest Website/Social Media: 

www.refugeingrief.com 

Facebook: @refugeingrief 

Twitter: @refugeingrief 

Instagram: @refugeingrief 

Theme Music by: Forrest Clay 

“Does God & Recover” found on the EP, Recover.

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Welcome to 2023! We’re back! To kick off the year I welcome the amazing Megan Divine to kick off our series on grief and loss. Psychotherapist Megan Devine believes that making the world a better place starts with acknowledging grief, rather than seeking to overcome it. She advocates for a revolution in how we discuss loss – personally, professionally, and as a wider community.

Megan is the author of the best-selling book, It’s OK that You’re Not OK: Meeting Grief & Loss in a Culture that Doesn’t Understand, and her guided grief journal, How to Carry What Can’t Be Fixed. Her animated “how to help a grieving friend” video distills a complex issue into simple, actionable steps in just over three (adorable) minutes. Gaining over 50 million views in its first few months, the animation is now used in training programs all around the world.

Megan’s work has been translated into 15 languages, and is featured widely in the media, including the New York Times, Marketplace, The Atlantic, Washington Post, GQ, Harvard Business Review, and Bitch magazine. She’s a sought after expert when grief erupts in the public sphere. Her latest collaborative project, the PBS documentary Speaking Grief, is out now. 

Guest (selected) Publications: It’s OK That You’re Not OK: Meeting Grief and Loss in a Culture That Doesn’t Understand” 

Guest Website/Social Media: 

www.refugeingrief.com 

Facebook: @refugeingrief 

Twitter: @refugeingrief 

Instagram: @refugeingrief 

Theme Music by: Forrest Clay 

“Does God & Recover” found on the EP, Recover.

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We're finally making good on our promise of more recommended readings! 7 years late...but hey we did it! Adam pops in for a bit to discuss what we've both been reading. This should keep everyone occupied for at least another 7 years.

Books Discussed:

God Is Not One: The Eight RIval Religions That Run The World by Stephen Prothero

A Brief History of Time by Stephen Hawking

The Wisdom of Insecurity: A Message for an Age of Anxiety by Allan Watts

The Outsiders by S.E. Hinton

It's OK That You're NOT OK by Megan Divine

Essentialism: The Disciplined Pursuit of Less by Greg Mckeown

The Road Away from God: How Love Finds Us Even As We Walk Away by Jonathan Martin

Man's Search for Meaning by Victor Frankl

East of Eden by John Steinbeck

Brothers Karamazov by Fyodor Dostoyevsky

All Quiet on the Western Front: A Novel by Erich Maria Remarque

The Subtle Art Of Not Giving A F*ck: A Counterintuitive Approach to Living a Good Life by Mason Madison

Thinking Fast and Slow by Daniel Kahneman

The Righteous Mind: Why Good People Are Divided by Politics and Religion by Jonathan Haidt

Cloud Cuckoo Land: A Novel by Anthony Doerr

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Bekah Stolhandske McNeel is a native of San Antonio, Texas, where she has been a reporter for nine years. Her work has appeared in print with Christianity Today, The San Antonio Current, and the Public Justice Review, as well as online with the Christian Science Monitor, Sojourners, the Texas Tribune, the Hechinger Report, The 74 Million, and numerous local outlets.

Known for her ability to communicate the high stakes of education and immigration policy and bring clarity to complex systems, Bekah keeps the human beings most affected at the front of her coverage.

Bekah is a graduate of the London School of Economics, where she earned a MSc in Media Studies. She is married to Lewis McNeel, an architect with Lake | Flato. They have two young children who, while they do not yet have careers, are very busy.

Guest (selected) Publications: 

Bringing Up Kids When Church Lets You Down: A Guide for Parents Questioning Their Faith

Guest Website/Social Media: 

www.bekahmcneel.com 

Facebook: @Bekah.Mcneel 

Twitter: @bekahmcneel 

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Guest Bio: This week week we have a very special episode with Father Gary Thomas. Father Thomas has served as the diocese of San Jose’s official Vatican - certified exorcist since 2009. He also served as a consultant on the movie, “The Rite” starring Anthony Hopkins. The movie is based on a book by the same name which chronicles accounts from his real life career.

This Water I am Treading & You Must Go” found on the brand new EP, Recover.

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Guest Info/Bio: This week we give you part 2 of our two-part series on The Bible! We bring back one of our favorite guests of all time Dr. Timothy Mackie! Check out Dr. Mackie’s work on his podcasts The Bible Project and Exploring My Strange Bible. Dr. Mackie is the creative writer and director for The Bible Project and an adjunct professor of Old Testament at Western Seminary, both in Portland, Oregon. He discovered the wonderful world of biblical studies and languages at Multnomah University and Western Seminary and had the privilege of dong a PhD in Hebrew and Jewish studies at the University of Wisconsin-Madison.

Guest Social Media:

www.timmackie.com

www.thebibleproject.com

Twitter: @timmackie

This Water I am Treading & You Must Go” found on the brand new EP, Recover.

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BIO/GUEST:

This week we speak with Brian McLaren! Brian is an author, speaker, activist, and public theologian. A former college English teacher and pastor, he is a passionate advocate for “a new kind of Christianity” - just, generous, and working with people of all faiths for the common good. He is an Auburn Senior Fellow and a leader in the Convergence Network, through which he is developing an innovative training/mentoring program for pastors, church planters, and lay leaders called Convergence Leadership Project. Born in 1956, he graduated from University of Maryland with degrees in English (BA, summa cum laude, 1978, and MA in 1981). His academic interests included Medieval drama, Romantic poets, modern philosophical literature, and the novels of Dr. Walker Percy. In 2004, he was awarded a Doctor of Divinity Degree (honoris causa) from Carey Theological Seminary in Vancouver, BC, Canada, and in 2010, he received a second honorary doctorate, this one from Virginia Theological Seminary (Episcopal). Brian’s books have been translated into many languages, including Korean, Chinese, French, Swedish, Norwegian, German, Portuguese, and Spanish. He has written for or contributed interviews to many periodicals, including Leadership, Sojourners, Tikkun, Worship Leader, and Conversations. He is an active and popular blogger, a musician, and a songwriter, offering a variety of resources through his website, www.brianmclaren.net. A frequent guest on television, radio, and news media programs, he has appeared on All Things Considered, Larry King Live, Nightline, On Being, and Religion and Ethics Newsweekly. His work has also been covered in Time, New York Times, Christianity Today, Christian Century, The Washington Post, Huffington Post, CNN.com, and many other print and online media. He has taught or lectured at many seminaries and has served on a number of boards, currently including the Convergence Network and The Wild Goose Festival.

(Selected) Published Works: “The Great Spiritual Migration: How the World’s Largest Religion is Seeking a Better Way to be Christian; Seeking Aliveness; Way of Life; Naked Spirituality; Why did Jesus, Moses, the Buddha, and Mohammed Cross the Road?; A New Kind of Christianity; A Generous Orthodoxy; The Last Word and the Word After That.”

Guest Website/Social Media:

www.brianmclaren.net

Twitter: @brianmclaren

Facebook: @brianmclaren

Theme Music by: Forrest Clay 

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Guest Info/Bio: This week we speak with Dr. Pauline Boss. Pauline is an educator and researcher who is widely recognized for her groundbreaking research on what is now known as the theory of ambiguous loss. All losses are touched with ambiguity. Yet, Dr. Boss’s research and practice have revealed that those who suffer ambiguous loss, losses without finality or resolution, bear a particular and challenging burden. Whether it is the experience of caring for a parent who is suffering from Alzheimer’s disease, or waiting to learn the fate of a spouse or family member who has disappeared in a disastrous event like 9/11 or Hurricane Katrina, the experience of loss is magnified and is more significantly challenging to overcome because the loss is linked to a lack of closure. People who experience and live with an ambiguous loss find it hard to understand their situation, difficult to cope and almost impossible to move ahead with their lives without professional counseling, love and support. Since 1973, Dr. Boss has studied ambiguous loss, and trained and worked with psychologists and counselors to help individuals and families who have experienced a life-altering ambiguous loss, often described as a frozen grief, recover their resiliency despite the on-going ambiguity. Drawing on her research and clinical experience, Dr. Boss is committed to working with families to develop meaningful strategies that help them cushion the pain, cope with ambiguous loss and move forward to live productive lives. Pauline Boss received her Ph.D. in Child Development and Family Studies from the University of Wisconsin-Madison in 1975. From 1975 to 1981, Dr. Boss was an assistant and then associate professor with tenure at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. In 1981, she joined the Department of Family Social Science at the University of Minnesota and continued to work in that position until 2005. In 1995-96, Dr. Boss was appointed Visiting Professor at the Harvard Medical School, and in 2004-2005, she was the Moses Distinguished Professor at the Hunter School of Social Work in New York City.

(Selected) Guest Publications: Ambiguous Loss: Learning to Live with Unresolved Grief; Loving Someone Who Has Dementia: How to Find Hope while Coping with Stress and Grief; Loss, Trauma, and Resilience: Therapeutic Work With Ambiguous Loss

Guest Website/Social Media:

www.ambiguousloss.com

Theme Music by: Forrest Clay 

“This Water I am Treading & You Must Go” found on the brand new EP, Recover.

You can find Forrest Clay's music on iTunes, Apple Music, Spotify, YouTube, or anywhere good music is found!

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This week we speak with the incredible Rabbi Arthur Green PhD. Rabbi Green is one of the preeminent authorities on Jewish thought and spirituality. He was the founding dean and is currently rector of the Rabbinical School and Irving Burdnick Professor of Jewish Philosophy and Religion at Hebrew College. He is Professor Emeritus at Brandeis University, where he occupied the distinguished Philip W. Lown Professorship of Jewish Thought. He is both a historian of Jewish religion and a theologian; his work seeks to form a bridge between these two distinct fields of endeavor. Educated at Brandeis University and the Jewish Theology Seminary of America, where he received rabbinic ordination, Dr. Green studied with such important teachers as Alexander Altmann, Nahum N. Glatzer, and Abraham Joshua Heschel, of blessed memory. He has taught Jewish mysticism, Hasidism, and theology to several generations of students at the University of Pennsylvania, the Reconstructionist Rabbinical College (where he served as both Dean and President), Brandeis, and now at Hebrew College. He has taught and lectured widely throughout the Jewish community of North America as well as in Israel, where he visits frequently. He was the founder of Havurat Shalom in Somerville, Massachusetts in 1968 and remains a leading independent figure in the Jewish Renewal movement.

(Selected) Published Works: Radical Judaism: Rethinking God and Tradition; Ehyeh: A Kabblah for Tomorrow; See My Face: A Jewish Mystical Theology; & Judaism’s Ten Best Ideas: A Brief Guide for Seekers.

Guest Website/Social Media:

http://artgreen26.com

https://soundcloud.com/rabbiartgreen

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From the Void is back Monday, October 24th with an all-new season of strange and unusual mysteries! Witch trials, strange objects in the sky, haunted locations, strange disappearances, unsolved murders, and much much more! Check out From the Void anywhere podcasts are found and subscribe today so you don't miss a single episode!

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Tyler Merritt is an actor, comedian, viral sensation, activist, founder of The Tyler Merritt Project, and author of the memoir, I Take My Coffee Black: Reflections on Tupac, Musical Theater, Faith, and Being Black in America. As a 6’2” dreadlocked black man living in the South, Merritt is well aware of stereotypes and their potentially dangerous consequences. In response, Merritt has devoted his creativity to bringing his ethos of “Love. Learn. Create.” to life through his words and videos as part of The Tyler Merritt Project. His viral videos, “Before You Call the Cops” and “Walking While Black” have been viewed by millions and caught the attention of The New York Times, Jimmy Kimmel, and Sports Illustrated. Merritt takes his audiences along with him on a journey of contradictions: at turns both funny and sad, mysterious, and relatable, commonplace, and dangerous, he shines a light on “full-spectrum humanity” (The New York Times) that makes an impactful and relevant message. Merritt’s emphasis on humility and connection provides an urgent roadmap during turbulent times, challenging audiences to see our differences as a unifying force for humankind and to “get to know me before you call the cops,” as he says in his video. In his talks and lectures, Merritt infuses his core beliefs of unity, empathy, compassion, and inclusion with humor, making his message relatable and accessible to wide-ranging audiences from corporations, non-profits, community groups, colleges and universities, and youth audiences worldwide.

Guest Website/Social Media: 

https://thetylermerrittproject.com 

Instagram: @TTMProject 

Facebook: @thetylermerrittproject 

Twitter: @TTMProject 

YouTube: https://youtubee.com/channel/UCPB48_JfK-VMnYQPTYyMX5Q

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Guest Info/Bio: Guest Bio: This week I kick off a two-part series on race with Andre Henry. Andre is an award-winning musician, writer, and activist. He is a columnist for Religion New Service and the author of the newsletter “Hope and Hard Pills.” He is a student of nonviolent struggle, having organized protests in Los Angeles, where he lives, and studied under international movement leaders through the Harvard Kennedy School. His work in pursuit of racial justice has been featured in The New Yorker and The Nation and he has a brand new book out, “All the White Friends I Couldn’t Keep: Hope—and Hard Pills to Swallow — About Fighting for Black Lives.” 

Guest Website/Social Media: 

www.andrehenry.co 

Facebook: @theandrehenry

Twitter: @andrehenry

Instagram: @theandrehenry

SoundCloud: https://m.soundcloud.com/andrehenrymusic 

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Guest Info/Bio: Guest Bio: This week I welcome back John Dominic Crossan! Dr. Crossan is one of the preeminent New Testament scholars and historian of early Christianity. He is known for his contemporary historical Jesus research and he has written both popular and academic books on an array of topics. Dr. Crossan received his Doctor of Divinity at St. Patrick’s College, Maynooth, the Irish national seminary and completed two additional years of study in biblical languages at the Pontifical Biblical Institute in Rome. He completed two additional years of study in archeology at the Ecole Biblique in Jordanian East Jerusalem. He served as co-chair of the Jesus Seminar and also served as president of the Chicago Society of Biblical Research from 1978-1979, and as president of the Society of Biblical Literature in 2012. 

(Selected) Published Works: The Historical Jesus: The Life of a Mediterranean Jewish Peasant; Jesus: A Revolutionary Biography; Who Killed Jesus? Exposing the Roots of Anti-Semitism in the Gospel Story of the Death of Jesus; In Search of Paul: How Jesus’s Apostle Opposed Rome’s Empire with God’s Kingdom; God and Empire: Jesus Against Rome, Then and Now; The First Paul: Reclaiming the Radical Visionary Behind the Church’s Conservative Icon; The Power of Parable: How Fiction by Jesus became fiction about Jesus; How to Read the Bible and Still Be a Christian: Struggling with Divine Violence from Genesis Through Revelation; and Resurrecting Easter: How the West Lost and the East Kept the Original Easter Vision. 

Guest Website/Social Media: 

www.johndominiccrossan.com 

Facebook: @johndominiccrossan 

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Guest Info/Bio: This week I welcome back our good friend Jonathan Martin! Jonathan is a pastor at The Table and author of two critically acclaimed books, Prototype and How to Survive a Shipwreck, and a brand new book, The Road Away from God: How Love Finds Us Even As We Walk Away” out now. 

He holds degrees from Gardner-Webb University, Pentecostal Theological Seminary (MA) and Duke University (ThM). Jonathan’s work and/or words have been featured in places like the New York Times, The Atlantic, NPR, Newsweek, Vox, Sojourners, The Huffington Post, and Relevant Magazine, and he has published in scholarly journals like The Journal of Pentecostal Theology. 

Guest Publications: 

Prototype: What Happens When You Discover You’re More Like Jesus Than You Think?, How to Survive A Shipwreck: Help is On the Way and Love is Already Here, and The Road Away from God: How Love Finds Us Even As We Walk Away

Guest Links:

www.jonathanmartinwords.com 

Twitter: @theboyonthebike 

Podcast: The Zeitcast with Jonathan Martin 

Listen to The Zeitcast with Jonathan Martin on Apple Podcasts. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-zeitcast-with-jonathan-martin/id1474849938

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uest Info/Bio: Forrest Clay is a singer/songwriter and good friend of the pod! Clay joined me to discuss the inspiration behind his Recover EP. We break down each song followed by a snippet of that particular track for your listening pleasure. 

Guest Links:

Twitter: @clay_k

Instagram: @forrestclaymusic 

Music by: Forrest Clay 

“Burning Bush, This Water I am Treading, Does God, Oh Church, You Must Go, and Recover” all found on the brand new EP, Recover and the brand new single, “Child of War.” 

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This week I welcome Staci Frenes. Staci is a Christian music artist, speaker, author, and mom of an LGBTQ+ daughter. A former English teacher, she has turned her love of music into a full-time vocation, forming her own publishing company and record label and landing multiple film and television placements. We talk all about Staci’s new book, “Love Makes Room: And Other Things I learned When My Daughter Came Out.” 

Guest (Select) Publications:

Love Makes Room: And Other Things I learned When My Daughter Came Out.

Guest Links:

www.stacifrenes.com 

Twitter: @stacifrenes 

Instagram: @stacifrenes

Facebook: @stacifrenes 

Theme music by: Forrest Clay 

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This week I welcome Candice Marie Benbow. Candice is a multi-genre theologian who situates her work at the intersections of beauty, faith, feminism and culture, giving voice to Black women’s shared experiences of healing and journeying toward wholeness. Reimagining how faith can be a tool of liberation and transformation for women and girls, she challenges Black women to think critically about how they see God and the world.

Named by Sojourners as one of “10 Christian Women Shaping the Church in 2020”, Candice has written for various outlets including ESSENCE Magazine, Glamour Magazine, The Root, VICE, Shondaland, MadameNoire and the Me Too Movement.

Guest (Select) Publications:

Red Lip Theology: For Church Girls Who’ve Considered Tithing to the Beauty Supply Store When Sunday Morning Isn’t Enough 

Guest Links:

www.candicebenbow.com 

Twitter: @candicebenbow

Instagram: @cadicebenbow

Theme music by: Forrest Clay 

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You can find Forrest Clay's music on iTunes, Apple Music, Spotify, YouTube, or anywhere good music is found!

This episode of the Deconstructionists Podcast was edited, mixed, and produced by John Williamson 

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Guest Bio: Thomas Jay Oord is a theologian, philosopher, and scholar of multi-disciplinary studies. He is an award-winning author, and he has written or edited more than twenty books. Oord has won the Outstanding Faculty Award twelve times as professor of Northwest Nazarene University, Nampa, Idaho. Oord is known for his contributions to research on love, relational theology, science and religion, and Wesleyan/Holiness/Church of the Nazarene thought.

(Select) Guest Publications: The Nature of Love: A Theology; The Uncontrolling Love of God: An Open and Relational Account of Providence; God Can't: How to Believe in God and Love After Tragedy, Abuse, and Other Evils; and God Can't Q&A. Pluriform Love: An Open and Relational Theology of Well-Being.

Guest Links:

www.thomasjayoord.com

Twitter: @thomasjayoord

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This week I welcome Kirsten Powers! Kirsten Powers is a CNN senior political analyst and NYT bestselling author whose forthcoming book is "Saving Grace: Speak Your Truth, Stay Centered and Learn to Coexist with People Who Drive You Nuts," publishing on Nov. 2, 2021.

Kirsten formerly was a columnist for USA Today, The Daily Beast, American Prospect Online and the New York Post. The Columbia Journalism Review called her "an outspoken liberal journalist" in a sea of opposition at Fox News, where she previously served as a political analyst.

Her writing has been published in the Washington Post, Elle magazine, Slate, the Wall Street Journal, and Salon.com.

Guest (Select) Publications:

The Silencing: How the Left is Killing Free Speech, Saving Grace: Speak Your Truth, Stay Centered, and Learn to Coexist with People Who Drive You Nuts 

Guest Links:

Twitter: @kirstenpowers

Instagram: @kirstenpowers 

Theme music by: Forrest Clay 

“This Water I am Treading” & “You Must Go” can be found on the brand new EP, Recover 

You can find Forrest Clay's music on iTunes, Apple Music, Spotify, YouTube, or anywhere good music is found!

This episode of the Deconstructionists Podcast was edited, mixed, and produced by John Williamson 

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No, your ears do not deceive you! Long-time listeners asking where Adam went…well….I found him! Adam is a live and well! I packed up the recording gear, set up in Adam’s bourbon room, and we sat down to talk all about what Deconstruction means to us 6 years after starting this crazy project. This week I welcome back my friend and co-founder of The Deconstructionists Podcast, Adam “freaking” Narloch! 

Theme music by: Forrest Clay 

“This Water I am Treading” & “You Must Go” can be found on the brand new EP, Recover 

You can find Forrest Clay's music on iTunes, Apple Music, Spotify, YouTube, or anywhere good music is found!

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On Saturday, January 15, author and renowned thought leader Alexander John Shaia, PhD, will share the universal 4-path journey — recognized by every major spiritual tradition, from Shamanism to Judaism, and by mythology and psychology — as a powerful and reassuring guide to transformation for these times. You can register here for Discover the Mystical, Feminine Map to Transformation Hidden in Christianity’s 4 Gospels: https://shiftnetwork.isrefer.com/go/c4gJW/a24193/ In this eye-opening 60-minute program, you’ll:

• Discover the beauty and power of the 4-Path Journey underlying all great spiritual traditions — and how it awakens us to a deeper reality that liberates fear and cultivates trust
• Experience a profound guided meditation welcoming you into the rhythm of a 24-hour cycle as you imagine a dark time in your life, yet arrive at the dawn of a new day, feeling more grounded and at ease
• Excavate gifts for your transformation from Christianity’s mystical feminine teachings hidden beneath the shadow of patriarchy
• Learn how the Story of John may have been written by a woman
• Find out if you’ve been lured by The Dangerous Beautiful, Alexander John’s phrase for spiritual bypass or the inability to properly embody and express the high-voltage energy of awakening

 Alexander John reveals uncommon wisdom about these mystical paths — profoundly feminine teachings hidden in Christianity’s gospels, many of which have been “lost” for over a thousand years — that illuminate a vital life map leading us to inner freedom, safety, respect, and a profound connection with God.
You’ll discover a way to live with a trust that is beyond hope in the face of change, loss, fear, overwhelm, and discontent — that's available and applicable to everyone, regardless of gender, ethnicity, orientation, spiritual tradition, or no tradition. You can RSVP for free here: https://shiftnetwork.isrefer.com/go/c4gJW/a24193/  P.S. In Discover the Mystical, Feminine Map to Transformation Hidden in Christianity’s 4 Gospels… … you’ll experience a guided meditation to glimpse the beauty and power of Christianity’s 4-Path Journey — and how it can awaken you to a deeper reality, liberate you from fear, and help you cultivate trust in the face of your darkest moments. We hope you’re able to catch the event as scheduled. But if you register and miss it, you’ll receive a downloadable recording as soon as it’s available: https://shiftnetwork.isrefer.com/go/c4gJW/a24193/

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This week we welcome the incredible Rev. Dr. Jacqui Lewis! We talk all about her brand new book, “Fierce Love: A Bold Path to Ferocious Courage and Rule-Breaking Kindness That Can Heal the World.” 

Jacqui is an author, activist, preacher, public theologian who uses her gifts to work toward creating an antiracist, just, fully welcoming society in which everyone has enough. Jacqui graduated from Princeton Theological Seminary with a M.Div. and obtained her PhD in Psychology and Religion from Dew University. She is currently the senior pastor at Middle Collegiate Church. Jacqui has been featured on a number of television shows including: The Today Show, All in with Chris Hayes, AM Joy, The Melissa Harris Perry Show, NY1, ABC, NBC, PBS, CBS, and WPIX. She also created two national television programs: Just Faith, and on-demand television program on MSNBC.com, and Chapter and Verse at PBS. Dr. Lewis has also been featured in The Wall Street Journal, The Washington Times, the front page of the New York Times website, New York Times Video, The New York Post, CNN i-report, Essence, ebony.com, the New York Post, and more. 

  

Guest (Select) Publications:

Ten Essential Strategies to Becoming a Multiracial Congregation; The Power of Stories; a Guide for Leaders in Multi-Racial, Multi-Cultural Congregations; the children’s book, You Are So Wonderful!; Fierce Love: A Bold Path to Ferocious Courage and Rule-Breaking Kindness That Can Heal the World.

Guest Links:

www.middlechurch.org 

www.jacquijlewis.com 

Twitter: @RevJacquiLewis 

Instagram: @revjacquilewis 

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This week week we have the incredible Brian Zahnd. We cover a whole host of topics from Brian’s amazing new book, “When Everything's on Fire: Forging Faith from the Ashes.”

Brian is the founder and lead pastor of Word of Life Church, a non-denominational congregation in St. Joseph, Missouri. He is a passionate reader of theology and philosophy, an avid hiker, mountain climber, and authority on all things Bob Dylon.

(Selected) Published Works: Water to Wine: Some of my story; A Farewell to Mars: An Evangelical Pastor’s Journey Toward the Biblical Gospel of Peace; Beauty will save the world: Rediscovering the Allure and Mystery of Christianity; Unconditional?: The Call of Jesus to Radical Forgiveness; What To Do on the Worst Day of Your Life; and Sinner in the Hands of a Loving God: The Scandalous Truth of the Very Good News.

Special theme music by Forrest Clay. Songs heard on this episode were: "Does God" and "Recover" from the Recover EP.

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This week I welcome Dr. Janet Kellogg Ray! Dr. Ray currently teaches biology at the University of North Texas and speaks and writes at the intersection of science, culture, and faith. We discuss the disconnect between faith and science and why science isn’t at odds with religion. 

She is an adjunct clinical assistant professor at the University of North Texas in the Department of Biological Sciences. She holds a PhD in Curriculum and Instruction from the University of North Texas, a M.Ed. in Gifted Education from Hardin-Simmons University and a B.S.Ed. in biology from Abilene Christian University. 

Guest Links:

www.janetkray.com 

Instagram: @janetkelloggray 

Twitter: @janetkelloggray 

Facebook: @janetkelloggray 

Theme music by: Forrest Clay 

“Does God” & “Recover” can be found on the brand new EP, Recover 

You can find Forrest Clay's music on iTunes, Apple Music, Spotify, YouTube, or anywhere good music is found!

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This week we welcome back one of our favorite guests Dr. Diana Butler Bass! Diana is an author, speaker, and independent scholar specializing in American religion and culture. She holds a Ph.D. in religious studies from Duke University. Diana regularly speaks at conferences, consults with religious organizations, leads educational events for religious leaders, and teaches and preaches in a variety of venues. She writes at The Huffington Post and The Washington Post and comments on religion, politics, and culture in the media including USA TODAY, Time, Newsweek, CBS, CNN, FOX, PBS, and NPR.

(Selected) Published Works: Grounded: Finding God in the World - A Spiritual Revolution; Christianity After Religion: The End of Church and the Birth of a New Spiritual Awakening; A People’s History of Christianity: The Other Side of the Story; Christianity for the Rest of Us: How the Neighborhood Church is Transforming the Faith; and Grateful: The Transformative Power of Giving Thanks; Freeing Jesus: Rediscovering Jesus as Friend, Teacher, Savior, Lord, Way, and Presence.

Guest Website/Social Media:

www.dianabutlerbass.com

Facebook: @d.butlerbass

Twitter: @dianbutlerbass

Theme Music Provide by: Forrest Clay

Twitter: @clay_k

Facebook: @ForrestClay

Instagram: @ForrestClay

Enjoy the songs? Songs featured on this episode were: “Does God" and "Recover"

Forrest Clay's music is available on: iTunes, Spotify, Apple Music, YouTube, SoundCloud, and anywhere good music is found!

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This week is a special Halloween episode first released on the From the Void Podcast. I talk with special guest Kimberly Clark Sharp about her own personal near death experience and subsequent work with others who have had similar experiences.

Kimberly is a long-time social worker and leader in exploring near-death experiences for more than thirty years. Following her own NDE, she founded the Seattle chapter of IANDS (International Association of Near Death Studies) in 1982, the oldest and largest support group for near-death experiencers.

Kimberly has taught at the University of Washington School of Medicine and at Seattle University.

(Select) Guest Publications:

After the Light: The Spiritual Path to Purpose

Guest Website/Social Media:

www.seattleiands.org

This episode of the Deconstructionists Podcast was edited, mixed, and produced by John Williamson 

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This week I welcome the incredible Kate Bowler, PhD! Kate is a New York Times bestselling author, podcast host, and a professor at Duke University. She studies the cultural stories we still ourselves about success, suffering, and whether (or not) we’re capable of change. 

At age 35, she was unexpectedly diagnosed with Stage IV cancer, causing her to think in different terms about the research and beliefs she had been studying. She penned the New York Times bestselling memoir, Everything Happen for a Reason (and Other Lies I’ve Loved), which tells the story of her struggle to understand the personal and intellectual dimensions of the American belief that all tragedies are tests of character. 

Kate hosts the amazing podcast, Everything Happens where she’s spoken with people like Malcolm Gladwell, Matthew McConaughey, and Anne Lamott about what wisdom and truth they’ve uncovered during difficult circumstances. 

Kate’s work has received wide-spread media attention from NPR, The Today Show, The New York Times, The Washington Post, The TED Stage, and Fresh Air with Terry Gross. 

Guest Links:

www.katebowler.com 

Instagram: @katecbowler 

Twitter: @katecbowler 

Facebook: @katecbowler

Special music by Lydia Luce

The songs heard were: “Sausalito” from the album, Azalea and “Never Been Good,” “Leave Me Empty,” and “Something to Say” from the album, Dark River

You can find Lydia’s music on iTunes, Apple Music, Spotify, YouTube, or anywhere good music is found!

This episode of the Deconstructionists Podcast was edited, mixed, and produced by John Williamson 

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From the Void is back Monday, October 18th with an all-new season of strange and unusual mysteries! Strange objects shooting through our galaxy, historic hauntings, the axeman of New Orleans, strange winged creatures in Point Pleasant, West Virginia, a still unsolved escape from Alcatraz, the Black Dahlia, UFOs over Chicago O'Hare International Airport, and more! Check out From the Void anywhere podcasts are found!

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This week I welcome the amazing Ron Steslow! Prior to the 2016 election Ron had run million dollar senate races, worked for the National Republican Senatorial Committee, led redistricting efforts in Nevada, and started his own consulting firm. He was set to become the future of the Republican party until he started to deconstruct both his faith and his personal identity. We talk all about his spiritual journey, coming out as a gay man, and split with the party he seemed destined to lead. 

Check out Ron’s new podcast: Politicology anywhere you find your podcasts! 

Guest Links:

www.ronsteslow.com 

www.politicology.com 

Instagram: @ronaldsteslow

Twitter: @ronsteslow

Special theme music by Forest Clay 

The songs heard were: “Recover” & “Does God” 

You can find Forest Clay’s music on iTunes, Apple Music, Spotify, YouTube, or anywhere good music is found!

This episode of the Deconstructionists Podcast was edited, mixed, and produced by John Williamson 

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This week I welcome Cliff Young and Aaron Benward. Cliff started his career as a member of the band, Caedman’s Call and Aaron Benward began his career as part of the father/son duo Aaron Jeoffrey and later Blue County. Cliff and Aaron have been friends since childhood and were two of the producers on the new movie, Playing God. Playing God stars Michael McKean (Better Call Saul & Spinal Tap), Alan Tudyk (Rogue One, Deadpool 2, Doom Patrol, Resident Alien), and Luke Benward (Dumplin and Life of the Party). 

Playing God is a movie about a sibling con-artist team who recruit there long-time mentor to “play” God in order to scam a grieving billionaire. The film tackles the difficult subjects of grieving, forgiveness and grace in a fun, adventurous story of a small tie con film. 

Guest Links:

www.playinggodmovie.com 

www.watershedmotionpictures.com 

Instagram: @watershedmotionpictures 

Special guest music on this episode provide by: Black Math 

Enjoy the music?

Songs heard on this episode: “Lapse” & “Flesh and Bone” from the Black Math EP; “Marching with Giants” from the Point Blank EP; and “New Game” from the album, New Game.

You can find Black Math’s music on iTunes, Apple Music, Spotify, YouTube, or anywhere good music is found!

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This week I welcome the amazing Julie Rodgers! Julie is a writer, speaker, and leader in the movement working for full inclusion for LGBTQ people in Christian communities. She played a significant role in shutting down Exodus International, the largest conversion therapy organization in the world, and she was also the first openly gay person to be hired by an evangelical Christian college. She is featured in “Pray Away” (2021), a documentary about the movement to pray the gay away. Her writing has been featured in Sojourners, The New York Times, The Washington Post, and Time. 

(Select) Publications: 

“Outlove: A Queer Christian Survival Story”

Guest Links:

www.julierodgers.com 

Twitter: @julie_rodgers 

Facebook: @Julie.r.rodgers 

Instagram: @julie_rodgers 

Special guest music on this episode provide by: Civilian 

Enjoy the music?

Songs heard on this episode: “Fear & Trembling”, Should This Noose Unloosen”, “Patience”, and “Michael” 

You can find Civilian’s music on iTunes, Apple Music, Spotify, YouTube, or anywhere good music is found!

This episode of the Deconstructionists Podcast was edited, mixed, and produced by John Williamson 

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This week I welcome a long overdue guest, Trey Pearson! Trey is best known as the lead singer of the popular band Everyday Sunday and current solo artist. We talk about Trey’s experience with coming out publicly in 2016, the pressure of being known as a “Christian” artist, the church’s treatment of the LGBTQ+ community, and much more. 

Guest Links:

www.treypearson.com 

Twitter: @treypearson 

Facebook: @treypearson

Instagram: @treypearson 

Special guest music on this episode provide by: Trey Pearson 

Enjoy the music?

Songs heard on this episode were the singles, “Love is Love, The Good Grief, & Hey Jesus” from the album, Love Is Love and the new single, “Don’t Dance 2.1” 

You can find Trey’s music on iTunes, Apple Music, Spotify, YouTube, or anywhere good music is found!

This episode of the Deconstructionists Podcast was edited by John Williamson and mixed and produced by Nicholas Rowe at National Audio Preservation Society: A full service recording studio and creative habitat, located in Heath, Ohio. Find them on Facebook and Twitter or visit their website for more information: www.nationalaudiopreservationsociety.weebly.com 

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Guest Info/Bio: This week I welcome Ryan David Green & Cameron Hood of the band Ryanhood. Named 'Best Group/Duo' in 2014 International Acoustic Music Awards, acoustic duo Ryanhood began as street-performers at Boston's Quincy Market. It was there that they were spotted by a college booking agent and thrust into the college touring scene, where Campus Activities Magazine would name them "one of the most requested acts by college buyers all across the country." They've since gone on to perform more than a thousand shows in 45 U.S. states over the past decade, and have shared stages with Jason Mraz, Matt Nathanson, Train, and many more.

Guest Links:

www.ryanhood.com

YouTube: https://youtube.com/user/RyanhoodVideos

Twitter: @ryanhood

Instagram: @RyanhoodMusic

Facebook: @RyanhoodMusic

Enjoy the songs on this episode? Songs featured were: "Under the Leaves, Wide Awake in a Dream, and The Fight" from the album, Under the Leaves & "I Didn't Put Anything Into Your Place" from the album, After Night Came Sun.

You can find Ryanhood's must on iTunes, Amazon, Spotify, YouTube, or anywhere good music is sold!

This episode was mixed and produced by Nicolas Rowe and edited by John Williamson.

Keep up with all the latest at www.thedeconstructionists.com Go there to read our blog, connect with us on social media, stream episodes, or join our Patreon family.

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This week I welcome the incredible Brenda Marie Davis. Brenda is a YouTuber, Podcaster, Author, and Speaker who uses her platform to talk to young people about sex and religion. Her platform God is Grey, has become an interactive space for people of all ages, orientations, & beliefs to engage, seek guidance, & heal. 

Guest (Select) Published Works: 

On Her Knees: A Memoir

Guest Website/Social Media:

www.godisgrey.com 

Twitter: @GodisGreyxo 

Instagram: @onherknees & @godisgrey 

YouTube: https://youtube.com/c/GodisGrey 

Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/god-is-grey/id1437717099 

Special guest music on this episode provided by: 

Micah Bentley 

www.micahbentley.com 

Twitter: @micah_bentley

YouTube: https://youtube.com/channel/UCg6Jze7bMdJ5MrP5ACeRuHw 

Instagram: @micahbentley 

Enjoy the songs? Songs featured on this episode were: “No Rivalry, Scarcity, Suits & Rags, & Wineskins.” 

Micah’s music is available on iTunes, Apple Music, Amazon, YouTube, Spotify, and anywhere good music is found. 

Stay on top of all the latest at www.thedeconstructionists.com 

Go there to read our blog, grab a tee shirt, snag a pint glass or mug, follow us on social media, or join our Patreon family.

The Deconstructionists Podcast is edited by John Williamson. This episode was mixed and produced by Nicholas Rowe at National Audio Preservation Society: A full service recording studio and creative habitat. located in Heath, Ohio. Find them on facebook and Twitter or go to their website for more information. www.nationalaudiopreservationsociety.weebly.com 

www.facebook.com/nationalaudiopreservationsociety

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Hey, Deconstructionists listeners! We know you love a good podcast and a good story and think you might enjoy the new one we're working on. Check out the trailer and decide for yourself.

About From the Void: The Universe is filled with all kinds of mysteries. Come join me each week as I bring you a new guest to get to the bottom of all sorts of strange and unusual stories from UFOs to Unsolved True Crime and everything in between. What is true and what is legend?

Listen and subscribe to From the Void on July 1st on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts!

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This week we welcome Kat Harris! Kat and I talk all about Purity Culture and it’s impact as well as the church’s views on sex in general. 

   

Kat is a podcaster, online educator, speaker, author, photographer, Beyonce lover, and Ranch dressing aficionado. Her vision is to equip and empower women with practical tools to walk in their worth and navigate their lives grounded in freedom, vision, and wholeness. 

Guest (Select) Publications:

Sexless in the City: A Sometimes Sassy, Sometimes Painful, Always Honest Look at Dating, Desire, and Sex. 

Guest Links:

www.therefinedwoman.com 

Instagram: @therefindedwoman

Special guest music on this episode provide by: Ellie Holcomb

Musical Guest/Music Links:

www.ellieholcomb.com 

Twitter: @ellieholcomb 

Instagram: @ellieholcomb 

Facebook: @ellieholcombmusic 

Enjoy the music?

Songs heard on this episode were the songs, “You are Loved” & “Wonderfully Made” from the album, Red Sea Road and the brand new singles, “I Don’t Want To Miss It” & “Canyon” 

You can find Ellie’s music on iTunes, Apple Music, Spotify, YouTube, or anywhere good music is found!

This episode of the Deconstructionists Podcast was edited by John Williamson and mixed and produced by Nicholas Rowe at National Audio Preservation Society: A full service recording studio and creative habitat, located in Heath, Ohio. Find them on Facebook and Twitter or visit their website for more information: www.nationalaudiopreservationsociety.weebly.com ( http://www.nationalaudiopreservationsociety.weebly.com )

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This week we welcome back the Rev. Dr. Brad Jersak AND Wm. Paul Young for part 2 of our conversation. 

Brad holds a PhD in Theology and Religious Studies from Bangor University (Wales) and is an author and teacher based in Abbotsford, BC. He serves as a reader and monastery preacher at All Saints of North America Orthodox Monastery.

Wm. Paul Young is the best-selling author of the book The Shack, Cross Roads, and Eve, and the non-fiction book Lies We Believe About God.

Guest (Select) Publications:

Bradley Jersak: A More Christlike God: A More Beautiful Gospel; Her Gates Will Never Be Shut: Hell, Hope, and the New Jerusalem; A More Christlike Way: A More Beautiful Faith; IN: Incarnation & Inclusion, Abba & Lamb; and The Pastor: A Crisis

Paul Young: The Shack; Cross Roads; Eve: A Novel; and The Pastor: A Crisis

Guest Links:

Brad Jersak:

www.bradjersak.com ( http://www.bradjersak.com )

Twitter: @bradjersak

Facebook: https://m.facebook.com/BradJersak/

YouTube: https://youtube.com/c/BradJersakauthor

Paul Young:

www.wmpaulyoung.com ( http://www.wmpaulyoung.com )

Facebook: https://m.facebook.com/TheShackOfficial

Instagram: @wmpaulyoung

Special guest music on this episode provide by: Morningsiders

Musical Guest/Music Links:

www.morningsidersmusic.com ( http://www.morningsidersmusic.com )

Facebook: https://m.facebook.com/Morningsiders

Instagram: @morningsiders

Enjoy the music?

Songs heard on this episode were the singles, “Be Good”, “How Good It Is”, and “Empress”

You can find Morningsiders music on iTunes, Apple Music, Spotify, YouTube, or anywhere good music is found!

This episode of the Deconstructionists Podcast was edited by John Williamson and mixed and produced by Nicholas Rowe at National Audio Preservation Society: A full service recording studio and creative habitat, located in Heath, Ohio. Find them on Facebook and Twitter or visit their website for more information: www.nationalaudiopreservationsociety.weebly.com ( http://www.nationalaudiopreservationsociety.weebly.com )

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Guest Info/Bio:

This week I not one, but two guests! This week we welcome the Rev. Dr. Brad Jersak AND Wm. Paul Young! 

Brad holds a PhD in Theology and Religious Studies from Bangor University (Wales) and is an author and teacher based in Abbotsford, BC. He serves as a reader and monastery preacher at All Saints of North America Orthodox Monastery. 

Wm. Paul Young is the best-selling author of the book The Shack, Cross Roads, and Eve, and the non-fiction book Lies We Believe About God. 

Guest (Select) Publications: 

Bradley Jersak: A More Christlike God: A More Beautiful Gospel; Her Gates Will Never Be Shut: Hell, Hope, and the New Jerusalem; A More Christlike Way: A More Beautiful Faith; IN: Incarnation & Inclusion, Abba & Lamb; and The Pastor: A Crisis 

Paul Young: The Shack; Cross Roads; Eve: A Novel; and The Pastor: A Crisis 

Guest Links:

Brad Jersak: 

www.bradjersak.com 

Twitter: @bradjersak

Facebook: https://m.facebook.com/BradJersak/ 

YouTube: https://youtube.com/c/BradJersakauthor

Paul Young: 

www.wmpaulyoung.com 

Facebook: https://m.facebook.com/TheShackOfficial

Instagram: @wmpaulyoung 

Special guest music on this episode provide by: Morningsiders 

Musical Guest/Music Links:

www.morningsidersmusic.com 

Facebook: https://m.facebook.com/Morningsiders 

Instagram: @morningsiders 

Enjoy the music?

Songs heard on this episode were the singles, “Honey Hold Me” and “How Good It Is” and “How We Are” from the album Pollen. 

You can find Morningsiders music on iTunes, Apple Music, Spotify, YouTube, or anywhere good music is found!

This episode of the Deconstructionists Podcast was edited by John Williamson and mixed and produced by Nicholas Rowe at National Audio Preservation Society: A full service recording studio and creative habitat, located in Heath, Ohio. Find them on Facebook and Twitter or visit their website for more information: www.nationalaudiopreservationsociety.weebly.com 

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This week I welcome the Rev. Dr. Miguel A. De La Torre! He is a professor, author, scholar, and activist who is currently Professor of Social Ethics and Latinx Studies at the Iliff School of Theology in Denver, Colorado. He has served as the elected 2012 President of the Society of Christian Ethics and served as the Executive Officer for the Society of Race, Ethnicity and Religion (2012-2017). In 2020 the American Academy of Religion bestowed upon him the Excellence in Teaching Award. Dr. De La Torre is a recognized international Fullbright Scholar who has taught courses all over the world. 

Guest (Select) Publications: 

Reading the Bible from the Margins; Trails of Hope and Terror: Testimonies on Immigration; Liberation Theologies for Arm Chair Theologians; The Politics of Jesus: Toward a Hispanic Political Theology; The Immigration Crisis: Toward an Ethics of Place; Burying White Privilege: Resurrecting A Badass Christianity; and Decolonizing Christianity: Becoming Badass Believers. 

Guest Links:

www.drmigueldelatorre.com 

Twitter: @DrDeLaTorre 

Facebook: https://m.facebook.com/miguel.delatorre.1238

Special guest music on this episode provide by: Sam Burchfield 

Musical Guest/Music Links:

www.samburchfield.com 

Twitter:@samburchfield 

Facebook: @samburchfieldmusic 

Instagram: @samburchfield 

Enjoy the music?

Songs heard on this episode were “Waking Up, Hold My Hand, & Graveyard Flower” from the album, Graveyard Flower & the brand new single, “Sands of Old Cities.” 

You can find Sam’s music on iTunes, Apple Music, Spotify, YouTube, or anywhere good music is found!

This episode of the Deconstructionists Podcast was edited by John Williamson and mixed and produced by Nicholas Rowe at National Audio Preservation Society: A full service recording studio and creative habitat, located in Heath, Ohio. Find them on Facebook and Twitter or visit their website for more information: www.nationalaudiopreservationsociety.weebly.com 

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Guest Info/Bio:

This week I welcome the amazing Bunmi Latidan. We talk all about her amazing new book on prayer and how we all struggle with it. 

Bunmi is a writer living in Quebec, Canada by way of northern California. Her writings include The Honest Toddler and Confessions of a Domestic failure and poetry such as Dear Mother and Dear God: Honest Prayers to a God Who Listens. 

Guest Publications: 

The Honest Toddler: A Child’s Guide To Parenting; Toddlers Are A**holes: It’s Not Your Fault; The Big Bed; Confessions of a domestic failure; Dear Mother: Poems on Motherhood; & Dear God: Honest Prayers to a God Who Listens. 

Guest Links:

www.bunmiladitan.com 

Instagram: @honesttoddler 

Facebook: @BunmiKLaditan 

Special guest music on this episode provide by: James Levy 

Musical Guest/Music Links:

https://orcd.co/jameslevyNYC?fbclid=IwAR2rt5_njPO_huomokxd343RoSE5yd51hr1McwPYNOhxBWz32HvD2b5fpA4

Twitter: @Reputante 

Facebook: @Reputante 

Enjoy the music?

Songs heard on this episode were “Heart and Dreams” & “Soldier” from the album, Soldier. “Songs of Love” & “What Do I Know?” from the album, Somebody. 

You can find James Levy’s music on iTunes, Apple Music, Spotify, YouTube, or anywhere good music is found!

This episode of the Deconstructionists Podcast was edited by John Williamson and mixed and produced by Nicholas Rowe at National Audio Preservation Society: A full service recording studio and creative habitat, located in Heath, Ohio. Find them on Facebook and Twitter or visit their website for more information: www.nationalaudiopreservationsociety.weebly.com 

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Guest Info/Bio:

This week I welcome the Rev. Dr. Sarah Griffith Lund. Sarah majored in religious studies in college at Trinity University, graduated with a Master of Divinity degree at Princeton Theological Seminary, and also received a Master of Social Work degree at Rutger’s University.  Ministry and Social Work blend together are her two passions of loving God and loving her neighbors. She was ordained into Christian ministry by the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) in 2002 and began serving as a local church pastor in 2003. She's served large and small congregations in Brooklyn, Minneapolis, and New Smyrna Beach, Florida, and Indianapolis, Indiana.  

In 2011, she earned her Doctor of Ministry degree from McCormick Theological Seminary with a focus on revitalizing the local church. Her thesis is entitled, “The Challenges to Building a Beloved Community on Facebook.” She served the church as a Regional Minister, providing support and guidance to dozens of congregations in the United Church of Christ throughout central and western Florida. From 2014-2018, she served as Vice President for Seminary Advancement at Christian Theological Seminary in Indianapolis. 

In 2018, she was called to serve as the first woman Senior Pastor at First Congregational United Church of Christ of Indianapolis. In addition, she serves on the National Staff of The United Church of Christ as the Minister for Disabilities and Mental Health Justice.

Guest Publications: 

Blessed Are the Crazy: Breaking the Silence about Mental Illness, Family and Church; Blessed Union: Breaking the Silence about Mental Illness and Marriage. 

Guest Links:

www.sarahgriffithlund.com 

Twitter: @revlund 

Facebook: @sarahgriffithlund 

Special guest music on this episode provide by: Mike Donehey 

Musical Guest/Music Links:

www.mikedonehey.com 

Twitter: @mikedonehey 

Facebook: @mikedonehey

Instagram: @mikedonehey 

Enjoy the music?

Songs heard on this episode were “What You Mean to Say, You Belong Here, & Better” from the EP, “Work of Art” and “In The Middle” from the brand new EP, A Father & Two Sons 

You can find Mike’s music on iTunes, Apple Music, Spotify, YouTube, or anywhere good music is found!

This episode of the Deconstructionists Podcast was edited by John Williamson and mixed and produced by Nicholas Rowe at National Audio Preservation Society: A full service recording studio and creative habitat, located in Heath, Ohio. Find them on Facebook and Twitter or visit their website for more information: www.nationalaudiopreservationsociety.weebly.com 

Stay on top of all of the latest at www.thedeconstructionists.com Go there to check out our blog, snag a t-shirt, or follow us on social media

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Website by Ryan Battles

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Guest Info/Bio:

This week I welcome back Dan Koch and this time he brings along his friend Sarey Martin Concepcion. They came on the podcast to address a topic we haven’t discussed in great depth since literally episode #1. We talk all about the term deconstruction, what we mean when we use the term, and how each of our journeys began. Dan and Sarey also created an amazing library of resources for folks going through a spiritual deconstruction at www.soyouredeconstructing.com 

So You’re Deconstructing was created by Sarey Martin Concepcion and Dan Koch. Dan hosts the You Have Permission podcast and is currently a doctoral student in psychology at Northwest University in Washington State. Sarey is a writer and producer, who holds a Masters in Theology from Fuller Seminary, and currently resides in Portland, OR. She is also Director of Communications for Blueprint 1543, which facilitates grant projects integrating theology and the sciences.

Guest Links:

www.dankochwords.com 

www.dankoch.net 

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/you-have-permission 

www.soyouredeconstructing.com 

Twitter: @dankoch & @sarey 

Instagram: @dankoch & @doctormonalisa 

Special guest music on this episode provide by: Forrest Clay 

Musical Guest/Music Links:

Twitter: @clay_k

Facebook: https://m.facebook.com/claykirchenbauer 

Instagram: @forrestclaymusic 

Enjoy the music?

Songs heard on this episode were the brand new single, “Recover” & the exclusive world debut of the forthcoming single, “Does God”

You can find Forrest Clay’s music on iTunes, Apple Music, Spotify, YouTube, or anywhere good music is sold!

This episode of the Deconstructionists Podcast was edited by John Williamson and mixed and produced by Nicholas Rowe at National Audio Preservation Society: A full service recording studio and creative habitat, located in Heath, Ohio. Find them on Facebook and Twitter or visit their website for more information: www.nationalaudiopreservationsociety.weebly.com 

Stay on top of all of the latest at www.thedeconstructionists.com Go there to check out our blog, snag a t-shirt, or follow us on social media

Join our Patreon family here: www.patreon.com/deconstructionists 

Website by Ryan Battles

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T-shirt designs by Joseph Ernst, Chad Flannigan, Colin Rigsby, and Jason Turner. 

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Guest Info/Bio: This week I welcome back one of our favorite guests - Sarah Bessey! Sarah Bessey is the author of the best-selling and critically acclaimed books Jesus Feminist (2013); Out of Sorts: Making Peace with an Evolving Faith (2015); and Miracles and Other Reasonable Things (2019). 

Her new collaborative book, A Rhythm of Prayer: A Collection of Meditations for Renewal is now available everywhere books are sold.d.

Along with her friends, the late Rachel Held Evans and Jim Chaffee, Sarah co-founded Evolving Faith. She now co-leads the community and conference alongside Jeff Chu. Sarah is also the co-host of The Evolving Faith Podcast which debuted at the top of the charts for Religion and Spirituality Podcasts and has been downloaded by hundreds of thousands of listeners worldwide.

Sarah is a sought-after speaker at churches, conferences, and universities around the world. Sarah writes the weekly newsletter Field Notes with exclusive essays, devotional series, conversations, and more. You can sign up for Field Notes here. 

She also serves as chair of the board for Heartline Ministries in Haiti. Based in Port au Prince, Heartline is committed to empowering Haitian families through complete maternal and infant health care, education, vocational training, and economic development.

Sarah contributed to the NIV Bible for Women: Fresh Insights for Thriving in Today’s World; Mother Letters: Sharing the Laughter, Joy, Struggles, and Hope; Soul Bare: Stories of Redemption; and What a Woman is Worth.

Her writing has appeared in The Washington Post, The Huffington Post, The High Calling, Conversations Journal, ChurchLeaders.com, CT Women: Christianity Today’s Blog for Women, Today’s Christian Woman, and she has commented on religion, feminism, and faith deconstruction for The Atlantic, The Christian Post, Christianity Today, The National Post, and The Washington Post among others. She was an award-winning blogger back in the glory days of blogging. Some of the favourites are still available as essays on this website. Sarah is also the author of two ebooks - My Practices of Mothering and Waiting, Accepting, Journeying, Birthing: An Advent Devotional - both available for digital download here.

Guest (Select) Published Works: Waiting, Accepting, Journeying, Birthing; My Practices of Mothering; Jesus Feminist: An Invitation to Revisit The Bible’s View of Women; Out of Sorts: Making Peace with an Evolving Faith; Miracles And Other Reasonable Things: A Story of Unlearning and Relearning God; A Rhythm of Prayer: A Collection of Meditations for Renewal. 

Guest Website/Social Media:

www.sarahbessey.com 

Twitter: @sarahbessey 

Facebook: https://m.facebook.com/sarah.styles.bessey 

Instagram: @sarahbessey 

Special guest music on this episode provided by: 

The Wind & The Wave

www.thewindandthewave.com 

Twitter: @thewindthewave

Facebook: https://m.facebook.com/thewindandthewave/ 

Instagram: @thewindthewave 

Enjoy the songs? Songs featured on this episode were: “Happiness Is Not A Place” from the album, Happiness Is Not A Place & “Rescue Me, Does God Love the Unlucky?” & “Father” from the E.P. Rescue Me. 

The Wind & The Wave’s music is available on iTunes, Apple Music, Amazon, YouTube, Spotify, and anywhere good music is found. 

Stay on top of all the latest at www.thedeconstructionists.com 

Go there to read our blog, grab a tee shirt, snag a pint glass or mug, follow us on social media, or join our Patreon family.

The Deconstructionists Podcast is edited by John Williamson. This episode was mixed and produced by Nicholas Rowe at National Audio Preservation Society: A full service recording studio and creative habitat. located in Heath, Ohio. Find them on facebook and Twitter or go to their website for more information. www.nationalaudiopreservationsociety.weebly.com 

www.facebook.com/nationalaudiopreservationsociety

Twitter: @napsrecording 

Website by Ryan Battles

All Photos by Jared Hevron

Logos designed by Joseph Ernst & Stephen Pfluig

T-Shirt designs by Joseph Ernst, Chad Flannigan, Colin Rigsby, and Jason Turner

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Guest Info/Bio: This week I welcome back our dear friend Peter Rollins to talk all about his annual Atheism for Lent course. To sign up for Atheism for Lent go to Pete’s website: www.peterrollins.com for tickets.

Pete is an author, philosopher, storyteller, producer, and public speaker who has gained an international reputation for overturning traditional notions of religion and forming “churches” that preach the Good News that we can’t be satisfied, that life is difficult, and that we don’t know the secret. 

Challenging the idea that faith concerns questions relating to belief; attacking the distinction between the sacred and the secular. It critiques theism and it sets aside questions regarding life after death to explore the possibility of life before death. 

Peter gained his higher education from Queens University, Belfast where he earned degrees (with distinction) in Scholastic Philosophy (BA Hons), Political Theory and Social Criticism (MA) and Post-Structural thought (PhD). 

Guest (Select) Published Works: Insurrection, The Idolatry of God, The Divine Magician. 

Guest Website/Social Media:

www.peterrollins.com 

Twitter: @peterrollins 

Facebook: https://m.facebook.com/orthodoxheretic 

Instagram: @peter_rollins 

Special guest music on this episode provided by: 

The Beach 

Twitter: @thebeachmusic 

Facebook: @thebeachmusic 

Instagram: @thebeachmusic 

Enjoy the songs? Songs featured on this episode were: “U.R. Beautiful, Toxic Love, Our Favourite Song, & Glass Houses” from the U.R. Beautiful EP. 

The Beach’s music is available on iTunes, Apple Music, Amazon, YouTube, Spotify, and anywhere good music is found. 

Stay on top of all the latest at www.thedeconstructionists.com 

Go there to read our blog, grab a tee shirt, snag a pint glass or mug, follow us on social media, or join our Patreon family.

The Deconstructionists Podcast is edited by John Williamson. This episode was mixed and produced by Nicholas Rowe at National Audio Preservation Society: A full service recording studio and creative habitat. located in Heath, Ohio. Find them on facebook and Twitter or go to their website for more information. www.nationalaudiopreservationsociety.weebly.com 

www.facebook.com/nationalaudiopreservationsociety

Twitter: @napsrecording 

Website by Ryan Battles

All Photos by Jared Hevron

Logos designed by Joseph Ernst & Stephen Pfluig

T-Shirt designs by Joseph Ernst, Chad Flannigan, Colin Rigsby, and Jason Turner

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Guest Info/Bio: This week we speak with Stina Kielsmeier-Cook about what it’s like being in an interfaith relationship. What does it look like when the other person in your relationship has a different faith or no faith at all? 

Stina is a writer from the cold north where she raises kids, maxes out her library card, and is usually late for church. A former housing advocate for refugees, Stina loves to talk about public policy, parenting, and her neighborhood in Minneapolis. She works as Director of Communications at the Collegeville Institute, where she is also the managing editor of Bearings Online. Stina has a graduate diploma in Forced Migration and Refugee Studies from the American University in Cairo, and a B.A. in Political Science from Wheaten College. 

Guest Published Works: Blessed Are the Nones: Mixed-Faith Marriage and My Search for Spiritual Community. 

Guest Website/Social Media: 

www.stinakc.com 

Twitter: @stina_kc 

Facebook: https://m.facebook.com/stina.kc/ 

Instagram: @stina.kc 

Special guest music on this episode provided by: Forrest Clay 

Twitter: @clay_k 

Facebook: @ https://m.facebook.com/ClayKirchenbauer?tsid=0.15432717790991135&source=result 

Instagram: @forrestclaymusic 

Enjoy the songs? Songs featured on this episode were: the brand new single, “Recover” and the singles “Love a Little More” and “Counting the Stars”

Forrest Clay’s music is available on iTunes, Apple Music, Spotify, and anywhere good music is found. 

Stay on top of all the latest at www.thedeconstructionists.com 

Go there to read our blog, grab a tee shirt, snag a pint glass or mug, follow us on social media, or join our Patreon family.

The Deconstructionists Podcast is edited by John Williamson. This episode was mixed and produced by Nicholas Rowe at National Audio Preservation Society: A full service recording studio and creative habitat. located in Heath, Ohio. Find them on facebook and Twitter or go to their website for more information. www.nationalaudiopreservationsociety.weebly.com 

www.facebook.com/nationalaudiopreservationsociety

Twitter: @napsrecording 

Website by Ryan Battles

All Photos by Jared Hevron

Logos designed by Joseph Ernst & Stephen Pfluig

T-Shirt designs by Joseph Ernst, Chad Flannigan, Colin Rigsby, and Jason Turner

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Guest Info/Bio: This week we speak with Dr. Richard Beck. Richard Beck is Professor and Chair of the Department of Psychology at Abilene Christian University. He is the author of Unclean, The Authenticity of Faith, The Slavery of Death, Reviving Old Scratch, and The Gospel According to Johnny Cash. Richard's published research also covers topics as diverse as the psychology of profanity to why Christian bookstore art is so bad. Richard leads a bible study each week for fifty inmates at the maximum security French-Robertson unit, and any given week Richard drives the van, preaches or washes dishes at Freedom Fellowship, a church feeding and reaching out to those on the margins. Finally, on his popular blog Experimental Theology Richard will spend enormous amounts of time writing about the theology of Johnny Cash, the demonology of Scooby-Doo or his latest bible class on monsters. 

Guest Published Works: The Authenticity of Faith; The Slavery of Death; Unclean; Reviving Old Scratch: Demons and the Devil for Doubters and the Disenchanted; and Trains, Jesus, and Murder: The Gospel According to Johnny Cash.

Guest Website/Social Media: 

www.experimentaltheology.blogspot.com 

Special guest music on this episode provided by: Tall Heights

www.tallheights.com 

Twitter: @tallheights 

Facebook: @tallheights 

Instagram: @tallheights

Enjoy the songs? Songs featured on this episode were: “Spirit Cold” from the album, Neptune; “Oslo” from the album, Pretty Colors For Your Actions; and the singles - “Keeps Me Light” & “The Deep End.” 

Tall Heights’ music is available on iTunes, Apple Music, Spotify, and anywhere good music is found. 

Stay on top of all the latest at www.thedeconstructionists.com 

Go there to read our blog, grab a tee shirt, snag a pint glass or mug, follow us on social media, or join our Patreon family.

The Deconstructionists Podcast is edited by John Williamson. This episode was mixed and produced by Nicholas Rowe at National Audio Preservation Society: A full service recording studio and creative habitat. located in Heath, Ohio. Find them on facebook and Twitter or go to their website for more information. www.nationalaudiopreservationsociety.weebly.com 

www.facebook.com/nationalaudiopreservationsociety

Twitter: @napsrecording 

Website by Ryan Battles

All Photos by Jared Hevron

Logos designed by Joseph Ernst & Stephen Pfluig

T-Shirt designs by Joseph Ernst, Chad Flannigan, Colin Rigsby, and Jason Turner

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Guest Info/Bio:

This week I welcome Justin Toppins is a writer and filmmaker who recently released his book, “The Outcast Daughter: What I learned about hope and faith from conversations with sex trafficking survivors and his accompanying documentary film, “Irreclaimable”. For more than a year, Justin set out to learn about the dark world of sex trafficking. Along the way he spoke with victims, sex workers, and even law enforcement to separate fact from myth. 

Guest Links: 

http://covenantbooks.com/books/?book=the-outcast-daughter

https://www.amazon.com/Irreclaimable-Samantha-Hernandez/dp/B07QDPYL2J/ref=nodl_

Musical Guest/Music Links:

www.remedydrive.com 

Twitter: @remedydrive 

Instagram: @remedydrive 

Facebook: @remedydrive

https://pages.theexodusroad.com 

Twitter: @theexodusroad 

Instagram: @theexodusroad 

Facebook: @theexodusroad 

Enjoy the music?

Songs heard on this episode were: “Disappear, You Got Fire (ft. Rachel Lampa McCarthy), & Warlike” from the album, The North Star. “Guide You Home” from the album, Hope’s Not Giving Up. 

You can find Remedy Drive’s music on iTunes, Apple Music, Spotify, YouTube, or anywhere good music is sold!

This episode of the Deconstructionists Podcast was edited by John Williamson and mixed and produced by Nicholas Rowe at National Audio Preservation Society: A full service recording studio and creative habitat, located in Heath, Ohio. Find them on Facebook and Twitter or visit their website for more information: www.nationalaudiopreservationsociety.weebly.com 

Stay on top of all of the latest at www.thedeconstructionists.com Go there to check out our blog, snag a t-shirt, or follow us on social media

Join our Patreon family here: www.patreon.com/deconstructionists 

Website by Ryan Battles

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