The Eikon Podcast

Michael and Jason discuss the controversy surrounding the opening ceremony of the Olympics, the different reactions to the controversy, and the binary nature of the response. They explore the idea of loving others while also standing firm in one's convictions. The conversation concludes with a discussion about the need for Christians to confront their own fears and trust in God's sovereignty, rather than getting caught up in the culture wars.

Chapters
00:00 - Introduction and Discussion of Olympic Sports
09:40 - Controversy Surrounding the Opening Ceremony
14:09 - The Three Camps: Love, Outrage, and Indifference
16:46 - Escaping the Binary: Loving Others and Holding Firm to Convictions
30:18 - The Dangers of Binary Thinking
36:12 - Dealing with Fear and Anxiety
44:33 - The Role of the Church
53:20 - Finding Refuge in God

Gianna, Michael, and Jason discuss the challenges of being image-bearers in different work environments and the temptation to prioritize career advancement over living out new creation values. They explore the idea that work is a form of worship and how it should be done with excellence and for the glory of God because work is not just a necessary evil or a means to an end, but a noble calling that reflects the values of new creation. They conclude with examples of how individuals can live out the new creation in their work, even in challenging circumstances.

Chapters
00:00 – Introduction
08:00 - Approaching Work with Worship and Service
15:27 - Challenging the Notion of Retirement in Heaven
19:16 -Living Out New Creation in Our Work
25:19 - Expanding Eden Through Our Work
33:36 - Living as the New Creation in Our Vocations
37:32 - Challenges of Being the New Creation in Different Work Environments
52:11 - Work as a Form of Worship
55:36 - Excellence and Humility in Our Work
01:06:08 - Serving Others as the New Creation in Our Work

Michael, Jason, and Giana first address a misunderstanding about their views on justice and clarify that they advocate for justice using the tools of the kingdom of God. They then move on to discuss the concept of identity and its connection to new creation. They explore how society has shifted from God being the identity giver to individuals creating their own identities. They conclude by discussing the role of the church in fostering a sense of identity rooted in new creation principles.

Chapters
00:00- Introduction and Rap Discussion
07:07 - Misunderstanding about Justice
16:46 - Navigating Peace and Violence
23:27 - Resistance and 'A Hidden Life'
27:22 - Identity and New Creation
30:27 - The Shift in Society's View of Identity
36:41 - The Social Nature of Identity
50:28 - Finding Our True Identity as Image Bearers
57:20 - The Role of the Church in Fostering Identity

Today’s conversation explores the correlation between trauma and belief in the spiritual realm, as well as the relevance of Christianity in traditional African contexts. The approach discussed is to listen, ask questions, and help individuals understand the power and authority of Jesus. It is emphasized that spiritual warfare is about living a life of obedience to the gospel rather than directly confronting spiritual entities. The danger lies in turning away from faith, not in being possessed against one's will. The conversation also touches on the topic of deliverance ministries and their potential benefits and dangers.

Takeaways
- Christianity in Africa has a range of beliefs and practices regarding demon possession and exorcism.
- Some denominations dismiss or deny the existence of possession, while others actively engage in exorcisms.
- It is important to differentiate between mental health issues and genuine cases of possession. There is often a correlation between trauma and belief in the spiritual realm.
- The approach to engaging with individuals who have experienced spiritual phenomena should involve listening, asking questions, and helping them understand the power and authority of Jesus.
- Spiritual warfare is primarily about living a life of obedience to the gospel rather than directly confronting spiritual entities.
- The danger lies in turning away from faith, not in being possessed against one's will.

Chapters
00:00 - Introduction
04:03 - Overview of Demon Possession and Exorcisms
09:13 - African Traditional Belief: Ancestral Spirits and Possession
27:54 - Differentiating Between Mental Health and Genuine Possession
31:17 - The Correlation Between Trauma and Belief in the Spiritual Realm
34:10 - Engaging with Spiritual Phenomena: Listening, Asking Questions, and Pointing to Jesus
36:13 - Understanding Spiritual Warfare: Obedience to the Gospel
37:11 - The Danger of Turning Away from Faith
38:09 – How we fight the spiritual battle?
40:32 – Can Christians become possessed?

Michael and special guest host Bill Barberg discuss the importance of justice and righteousness in the Bible, specifically the concepts of Mishpat and Tzedekah. They explore how these principles are rooted in God's character and how they should shape the lives of believers. They also address common misconceptions about social justice and the role of the church in pursuing justice. The conversation emphasizes the need for a holistic understanding of justice that encompasses both individual actions and systemic change.

Takeaways
- Justice and righteousness in the Old Testament, represented by Mishpat and Tzedekah, go beyond individual acts of kindness or personal piety.
- They encompass a way of life that reflects God's love and compassion for the vulnerable.
- Biblical justice is not limited to the punishment of wrongdoers but involves taking up the cause of the poor, the orphan, and the needy.
- The concept of justice has become controversial in today's society, often due to political polarization and differing interpretations.
- The church should not shy away from addressing social justice issues but should approach them with discernment and a biblical understanding of justice.

Chapters
00:00 - Introduction and Background
03:03 - The Old Testament Understanding of Mishpat and Tzedekah
09:25 - Exploring the Practical Elements of New Creation
16:17 - The Controversy Surrounding the Concept of Justice
25:21 - Distinguishing Biblical Justice from Cultural Interpretations
27:16 - Understanding Mishpat and Tzedekah: Justice and Equity
31:55 - Addressing Misconceptions about Social Justice
36:37 - The Role of the Church in Pursuing Justice
46:29 - Justice as Both Individual Actions and Systemic Change

Links to Bill Barberg's classes on Mishpat and Tzedekah

Class 1: Understanding the Words (37:13) https://vimeo.com/930323003/958ce6c56f

Class 2: Justice and Righteousness in the Old Testament (45:40) https://vimeo.com/940563230/b8893f9ec9

Class 3: Justice and Righteousness in the New Testament (54:47) https://vimeo.com/941066745/112e300c47

In this conversation, Michael and Gianna discuss the ten principles of new creation. They explore topics such as sacrifice, community, collaboration with God, and striving for unity and justice.

Takeaways
- New creation is not a list of rules or tasks, but something to be embodied.
- Self-sacrifice is a key aspect of new creation, and it begins with cruciformity, living in the shape of the cross.
- Community is central to new creation, and it requires everyone to do their part.
- New creation is a collaborative effort with God, and it involves discovering knowledge and understanding the character of God.
- New creation aims to be a peacemaker and strives for unity at all levels.
- New creation insists on equality and justice in all aspects of life.

Chapters
00:00 - Introduction and Moving to Principles of New Creation
14:03 - Embodiment: The Essence of New Creation
25:51 - Cruciformity: Living in the Shape of the Cross
31:19 - The Importance of Community in New Creation
35:18 - Collaboration with God in New Creation
47:48 - Sacrificial Love for Others in New Creation
50:59 - Faithfully Imaging God in New Creation
56:20 - Avoiding the Weapons of the World in New Creation
58:51 - Striving for Peacemaking in New Creation
01:00:51 - Insisting on Equality and Justice in New Creation
01:02:40 - Unity and the Unifying Nature of New Creation

Michael and Gianna discuss the importance of living out the principles of new creation in the context of community and society. They explore the idea that the church is called to be a new creation community that embodies love, hospitality, and reconciliation. They emphasize the need to reject the dynamics of the old creation, such as power struggles and revenge, and instead embrace the transformative power of love and forgiveness. They also discuss the role of governing authorities and the importance of submitting to them while remaining faithful to the principles of new creation.

Takeaways
- The concept of new creation in Romans 12 emphasizes the need to live differently and embrace a new reality in Christ.
- Sincere love is the starting point for the new creation community
- Power with others, rather than power over others, is the redemptive power of the new creation.
- Moralism can be dangerous and can distract from the transformative power of the new creation.
- Living out the principles of new creation requires a radical transformation of our mindset and actions.

Chapters
00:00 - Introduction
10:31 - The Background of Romans 12
15:28 - Embracing the New Creation
18:45 - Power Over vs. Power Within the New Creation
19:45 - The Dangers of Moralism in the New Creation
25:36 - Living Out the New Creation: Love, Unity, and Renewal
29:08 - Living as a New Creation Community
39:02 - Rejecting Revenge and Trusting in God's Justice

This special Patreon episode is being released this week for everyone to access. For access to other episodes in the “The Misfits” series, go to www.patreon.com/eikonpodcast. This episode examines the challenge of feeling like a misfit in a spiritual community but also feeling known. Brian, Reggie, and Michael discuss a range of topics including the challenges of engaging in conversations, the dynamics of church culture, mental health struggles, and the obstacles faced by introverts in building relationships within a church community.

Takeaways
- The importance of creating a culture where individuals feel known and understood
- The need for time, effort, and grace in building meaningful relationships Engaging in conversations can be challenging, especially for introverts and those with low capacity for fellowship.
- Church culture presents obstacles for individuals with mental health struggles and introverted personalities.
- Navigating relationships within a church community requires understanding and empathy for the struggles of others.
- Showing love and being present for others is a powerful way to support those facing mental health challenges and introverted tendencies.

Chapters
00:00 - Navigating Social Interactions and Church Culture
11:49 - Understanding Introversion, Mental Health, and Chronic Illness
27:39 - Navigating Conversational Challenges
43:26 - Dynamics of Church Culture
49:55 - Mental Health Struggles and Relationships
53:15 - Obstacles Faced by Introverts

In this episode of the Eikon Podcast, Michael Burns is joined by his son Elijah Burns to discuss the concept of new creation. They explore the characteristics of new creation in Galatians, including the importance of image-bearing, the need for alternative wisdom, freedom from the powers, and the way of the cross. They also discuss the challenges of navigating old creation dynamics in church culture and Christian college campuses. Elijah shares his personal journey of breaking free from a checklist mentality and finding freedom in the new creation. They emphasize the importance of dialogue, questioning, and being open to struggle in the pursuit of new creation.

Takeaways
- New creation is characterized by image bearing, alternative wisdom, freedom from the powers, and the way of the cross.
- Old creation dynamics, such as checklist mentalities and rules-driven behavior, can hinder the experience of new creation.
- It is important to question and challenge beliefs and practices in order to align with the new creation.
- Engaging in dialogue and being open to struggle is essential in the pursuit of new creation.
- The younger generation is focused on activism and justice and resonates with the idea of being part of creating change.

Chapters
00:00 - Introduction and Special Guest
04:07 - Exploring the Characteristics of New Creation
13:12 - Navigating Old Creation Dynamics in Church Culture
37:23 - The Importance of Dialogue and Struggle in New Creation
45:12 - The Younger Generation's Focus on Activism and Justice

Gianna and Michael discuss the concept of new creation and how it relates to the Christian life. They explore the idea that the struggles and hardships in life can lead to growth and transformation. They also discuss the importance of living a life that is focused on God's wisdom and not the world's standards of success. The conversation highlights the need for Christians to live in a way that is different from the world and to be ambassadors of reconciliation.

Takeaways
- The Christian life is not always easy or pleasant, but it is a life of sacrifice and struggle.
- The Holy Spirit plays a crucial role in the process of living as new creations.
- Living by faith, not by sight, is essential in the Christian life. Struggles and hardships can lead to growth and transformation in the Christian life.
- Living a life focused on God's wisdom rather than the world's standards of success is important.
- Christians are called to live in a way that is different from the world and to be ambassadors of reconciliation.

Chapters
00:00 - Introduction
14:53 - Living as New Creations: Sacrifice and Struggle
25:45 - The Role of the Holy Spirit in New Creation
27:43 - Living by Faith, Not by Sight
29:37 - Final Thoughts and Conclusion
35:33 - The Transformative Power of Struggles and Hardships
38:36 - Being Ambassadors of Reconciliation
43:46 - The Power of Living as a New Creation in Christ

Michael and Jason dive into 2 Corinthians looking starting with the idea that new creation is not just about individual transformation, but also about the transformation of the church body as a whole. They explore the idea that true thriving is not about worldly success or impressive appearances, but about embracing weakness and dependence on God. They emphasize the importance of viewing success and thriving through the lens of faith, rather than the standards of the world. The conversation concludes with a reflection on the significance of fixing our eyes on the unseen and eternal.

Takeaways
- The concept of new creation in 2 Corinthians is not just about individual transformation, but also about the transformation of the church body as a whole.
- Living in the new creation can be challenging and requires a shift in perspective from worldly values to the values of the kingdom of God.
- Paul's emphasis on weakness and reliance on God challenges the worldly notion of presenting oneself with grandiosity and prestige.
- The world often does not understand the gospel, and preaching Christ can be seen as foolish or unimpressive.
- There are two realities at play: the old creation of the world and the new creation of the kingdom of God. True thriving is not about worldly success or impressive appearances, but about embracing weakness and dependence on God.
- Success and thriving should be viewed through the lens of faith, rather than the standards of the world.
- There is a contrast between outward appearances and inward renewal in the new creation.
- Fixing our eyes on the unseen and eternal is key to understanding true thriving.
- The paradoxical nature of the new creation challenges our conventional understanding of success and thriving.

Chapters
00:00 – Opening Conversation
13:59 - The Concept of New Creation
20:01 - Shifting Perspectives: From Worldly Values to Kingdom Values
25:11 - The World's Misunderstanding of the Gospel
27:01 - Exploring the Desire for Impact
29:38 - The Danger of Seeking Personal Glory
35:15 - Contrasting Outward Appearances and Inward Renewal
39:24 - Redefining Thriving in the New Creation
46:47 - The Paradox of Success in the New Creation

Are ghosts real? Thabani and Michael look at ghosts in both the popular and biblical contexts. They explore the Western perspective on ghosts and the fascination with ghost movies and stories, despite a low percentage of Americans who say they believe in ghosts. Thabani shares his personal experiences with seeing a ghost-like figure as a child and a friend's encounter with a supernatural presence. Michael also shares his own experiences, including hearing a voice in a historic mansion and his wife's strange encounter in a hotel room. They then explore different perspectives and biblical passages that mention ghosts. They also discuss the belief in ghosts in different cultures and the dangers of seeking communication with the dead. They conclude that while there may be supernatural beings and occurrences, it is important to rely on God and His Word for guidance and not to engage in practices that contradict the character of Jesus.

Takeaways
- Despite a low percentage of Americans believing in ghosts, ghost movies, and stories are popular forms of entertainment.
- Personal experiences with ghosts can be unsettling and leave a lasting impact.
- Ghost stories often involve unexplained phenomena and are shrouded in mystery.
- Different generations and cultures have varying beliefs and attitudes towards ghosts.
- The Bible mentions ghosts in a few passages, but the interpretation and understanding of these passages vary.
- There is a distinction between disembodied spirits and demonic entities, but the specifics of their existence and interaction with the physical realm are not fully explained in the Bible. 
- God warns against seeking communication with the dead or engaging in practices that contradict the character of Jesus.
- It is important to rely on God and His Word for guidance and to prioritize the development of Christ-like character.
- The fascination with ghosts and supernatural phenomena should not overshadow the importance of loving and impacting others in the community.

Chapters
00:00 - Introduction and Personal Experiences
17:32 - Personal Encounters with Ghosts
25:25 - The Mystery and Intrigue of Ghost Stories
32:30 - Introduction and Personal Stories
39:27 - The Story of Peter and the Angel
46:48 - Different Interpretations of Ghost Passages
58:28 - Relying on God and His Word for Guidance
01:07:12 - Conclusion and Future Topics

In this episode, Michael and Gianna discuss the topic of indulgence and whether it is acceptable for Christians to enjoy lavish things. The conversation explores the balance between enjoying life and being mindful of those who are less fortunate, exploring the concepts of lack and abundance and its impact on our mindset and actions. They highlight how focusing on lack can lead to division, tribalism, and chaos. They discuss the balance between enjoying God's creation and sharing it with others.

Takeaways
- Being all things to all people can involve participating in activities or indulging in things that are common in certain circles, even if they may seem lavish or extravagant.
- Enjoying the good things in life does not make someone less of a follower of Jesus or a reflection of Him.
- Caring for the poor and enjoying life are not mutually exclusive. It is possible to do both and find a balance.
- God created abundance and wants us to enjoy the good things He has provided, while also being mindful of others and using our resources to help those in need. Focusing on lack creates division, tribalism, and chaos.
- Gratitude and trust in God's provision counter the mindset of lack.
- Enjoying God's creation and sharing it with others is a balance to strive for.

Chapters
00:00 - Introduction and Jason's Absence
12:42 - The Conversation on Indulgence
31:00 - The Temptation of Lack
46:32 - Balancing Enjoyment and Sharing
01:00:56 - Stewardship in the New Creation

The Eikon team explores the idea that creation was never a completed project, but rather had room for growth and development. Michael, Jason, and Gianna discuss the concept of new creation in the Bible, particularly in the writings of Paul and Isaiah. They explore the idea that creation is not a finished product, but a process of becoming all that it is meant to be. They also discuss how new creation is not just a future hope, but something that is already happening in the present.

Takeaways
- Creation was never a completed project but had room for growth and development.
- Being in the image of God means reflecting God's image as a community.
- Our identity as image bearers of God is our inherent worth and dignity.
- It can be challenging to respond gracefully in rude encounters, but it's important to consider the context and choose the best course of action.
- Creation is not a finished product, but a process of becoming all that it is meant to be.
- New creation is not just a future hope, but something that is already happening in the present.
- The symbolic nature of passages describing the new creation should be understood, as they depict a reality that is too wonderful to fully comprehend.
- New creation often emerges in the midst of conflict and challenges, refining and shaping individuals and communities.
- The journey of new creation has no end and continually moves towards greater glory.

Chapters
00:00 - Names
06:42 - The Frustrations of Group Communication
13:26 - The Continuous Growth of Creation
36:07 - New Creation in the Present
43:06 - Symbolism and the Wonder of New Creation
53:47 - New Creation in the Midst of Conflict

Michael and Gianna analyze the important role of the theme of new creation in John's Gospel.

Thabani and Michael discuss the African view of demons and spirits. They explore the belief in guardian spirits, avenging spirits, and goblins, the rituals and practices associated with them, and the African Christian view of spirits and demons. They also discuss the syncretism between traditional African beliefs and Christianity, where some African Christians still participate in ancestral rituals alongside their Christian faith. Overall, the conversation highlights the complex and diverse perspectives on the spiritual realm in Africa.

Takeaways
- In African culture, there is a belief in guardian spirits, avenging spirits, and goblins.
- Ancestral rituals and practices are still prevalent in some African Christian communities.
- There is a syncretism between traditional African beliefs and Christianity in some African cultures.
- The African view of the spiritual realm is complex and diverse, with variations across different tribes and regions. Traditional African practices, such as seeking rain from ancestors, are still important to many Africans, but have been discarded by some Pentecostal and evangelical Christians.
- The clash between traditional African practices and Christianity can create conflicts within families and communities.
- Many African Christians believe that demons play a role in various aspects of life, such as illness, addiction, and failure, and seek spiritual solutions to these problems.
- There is a need for a balanced perspective that considers both traditional African beliefs and Western scientific explanations.

Chapters
00:00 - Introduction
05:12 - Thabani's Expertise in the Spiritual Realm
08:27 - The Early Church's View on Demons
17:31 - Demons in the New Testament
23:36 - African View of Demons and Spirits
36:20 - African Christian View of Demons
44:13 - The Role of Ancestors and Traditional Practices
51:16 - African Christian View of Spirits and Demons

In this episode, the hosts discuss the tension between individual humility and organizational pride in the church. They explore how the desire for excellence and efficiency can sometimes lead to a lack of corporate humility. They also address the discontentment that some people feel towards the church and the challenge of learning to love the church as it is. The hosts discuss the influence of money and power in the church and express concerns about the commercialization of faith. They emphasize the importance of seeing the church as family and recognizing the larger network of believers.

Takeaways
- The power of the gospel is revealed in weakness and the paradox of death and victory.
- Churches should focus on reflecting Jesus and living in freedom rather than striving for worldly success. Think before you speak and consider the impact of your words.
- The desire for excellence and efficiency can sometimes lead to a lack of corporate humility.
- It is important to learn to love the church as it is, recognizing its strengths and weaknesses.
- The influence of money and power in the church can compromise its integrity and mission.
- Recognize that the church is part of a larger network of believers and that God is always at work.

Chapters
00:00 - Introduction
16:15 - The Paradox of Jesus' Death and Victory
19:25 - The Tension Between Death and Life
21:27 - The Glory of the Cross
23:49 - The Power of the Gospel in Weakness
25:45 - The Temptation of Impressive Churches
36:43 - The Fear of Failure in Churches
38:12 - The Tension Between Victory and Weakness
42:45 - Living in Fear vs. Living in Freedom
44:11 - The Tension Between Individual Humility and Organizational Pride
48:43 - Learning to Love the Church as It Is
53:02 - The Influence of Money and Power in the Church
56:17 - The Concerns about the Commercialization of Faith
58:13 - The Importance of Seeing the Church as Family
01:01:46 - Recognizing the Larger Network of Believers
01:06:08 - Staying Rooted in the Work of God

The Eikon team explores the tension between influence and humility, particularly in the context of their fields of ministry and professional sports. The hosts discuss their personal experiences and struggles with seeking influence and maintaining humility. They also delve into the concept of incarnational teaching and the importance of local influence. The pressure to be out in front and the desire for recognition are identified as challenges to humility. Ultimately, they emphasize the need to prioritize the heart's desires and to be content with the influence that aligns with God's will.

Takeaways
- View the work itself as the reward and find joy in the process.
- Prioritize people over content and focus on individual touch and formation.
- Strive for fruit rather than outcomes and avoid the status culture.
- Be a resource rather than the main attraction and limit influence.
- Embrace brokenness and humility and recognize the tension between seeking influence and embracing humility.

Chapters
00:00 - Introduction and Setting the Stage
06:38 - The Tension Between Influence and Humility
13:27 - Balancing Influence and Humility in Professional Sports
23:51 - Incarnational Teaching and Local Influence
27:11 - The Pressure to Be Out in Front
31:05 - The Challenge of Desiring Influence
32:11 - The Joy of the Work
33:12 - Viewing the Work as the Reward
35:19 - Limiting Influence
37:16 - Putting People Over Content
38:15 - Formation Over Efficiency
39:12 - Individual Touch Over Scope and Reach
40:10 - Being a Resource, Not the Meal
41:36 - Avoiding the Status Culture
42:29 - The Wisdom of Limiting Influence
44:24 - The Example of BJ Foster
45:49 - Balancing the Desire for Influence
49:11 - Recognizing Brokenness and Embracing Humility
50:10 - Triangulating Our Identity
53:11 - The Competition Between God's Influence and Society's Influence
55:28 - The Importance of Limiting Influence, Power, and Scope
01:03:2 - The Challenge of Balancing Influence and Representation
01:08:25 - The Tension Between Being Known and Being Forgotten

Michael and Gianna explore the connections between the Old Testament and the concept of new creation, highlighting the themes of restoration and the overlap of heaven and earth. They also discuss different versions of the gospel and emphasize the importance of understanding Jesus as king and living in his kingdom. The conversation concludes with the reminder that the gospel is not solely about personal benefits, but about fulfilling God's purpose and mission.

Takeaways
- The concept of new creation is a prevalent theme in the Bible, representing restoration and the overlap of heaven and earth.
- Understanding Jesus as king is crucial to fully grasp the gospel and live in his kingdom.
- Different versions of the gospel, such as the belief in heaven or freedom from rules, can be incomplete and me-centric.
- The gospel is ultimately about fulfilling God's purpose and mission, rather than solely personal benefits. The Bible is not about us, but about Jesus and his role in bringing about new creation.
- Being in Christ means being part of the team that brings about new creation.
- The genealogy of Jesus points to the fulfillment of the Old Testament and the coming of new creation.
- The themes of the kingdom, healings, and the commandments of Jesus are all part of the new creation.
- The renewal of all things is the ultimate goal of new creation.

Chapters
00:00 - Introduction and setting a world record
10:09 - Old and New Creation in Matthew
24:45 - Different Versions of the Gospel
30:43 - The Gospel as God's Purpose and Mission
34:23 - Being in Christ
36:19 - Jesus as the fulfillment of the Old Testament
38:15 - The genealogy of Jesus
40:34 - The theme of new creation in Matthew
49:11 - The theme of the kingdom in Matthew
50:05 - Healings as part of the new creation
55:06 - The commandments of Jesus as the restoration of God's original intentions
59:37 - The renewal of all things

Michael and Thabani discuss the African and biblical views of the spiritual realm. They explore the biblical worldview of the spiritual realm, including the role of the sons of God and the divine council. They also discuss the African worldview, which includes belief in territorial gods and ancestral spirits. The conversation highlights the similarities and differences between the two views and the impact of these beliefs on African culture. The episode concludes with a preview of future topics and a call for listener input.

Takeaways
- The biblical worldview of the spiritual realm includes the existence of the sons of God and the divine council, who rule over the nations on behalf of Yahweh.
- The African worldview of the spiritual realm includes belief in territorial gods and ancestral spirits, who are consulted and appeased through rituals and ceremonies.
- There are similarities and differences between the African and biblical views of the spiritual realm, and these beliefs have a significant impact on African culture and practices.
- Future episodes will explore topics such as witchcraft, ghosts, and demons from a biblical perspective.

Chapters
00:00 - Introduction and Background
06:27 - The Biblical View of the Spiritual Realm
16:49 - The African View of the Spiritual Realm
31:53 - Belief Systems and Practices in African Culture
44:53 - Future Topics and Conclusion

The Eikon team explores the concept of the undoing of creation and the thread of creation and new creation in the Bible. They emphasize the importance of living in Christ as a community of new creation. In this conversation, the team discusses the themes of trust, restoration, and living in a fallen and renewed world. They explore the challenges God presents to empire and the pattern of God's challenges throughout the Bible. The hosts also discuss the frustration of ambiguity in new creation and the need for God's intervention in restoring broken relationships.

Takeaways
- Living as new creations requires a conscious effort to align one's actions and attitudes with the values and principles of the Christian faith.
- The frustration with others not living as new creations highlights the tension between personal growth and the influence of external factors.
- The Bible presents a narrative of creation and new creation, with the goal of restoring and renewing the world through God's intervention.
- Living in Christ as new creations involves embracing a new way of being and striving to align one's life with the teachings and example of Jesus. Trust in God is essential in living in a fallen and renewed world.
- God challenges empire and offers new creation in response to injustice and de-creation.
- Obedience and sin have cosmic effects and impact relationships.
- Restoration of broken relationships requires trust and cannot be achieved through human efforts alone.

Chapters
00:00 - Introduction and Personal Updates
01:05 - Fashion and Comfort
06:18 - Shopping at Lululemon
09:27 - Frustration with Others Not Living as New Creations
10:30 - Focus of the Episode: New Creation
13:05 - Striving to Live as New Creations
18:12 - The Thread of Creation and New Creation
26:23 - Living in Christ as New Creations
27:16 - Bible Discussion Group
28:08 - Introduction and Pronunciation of Habakkuk
28:34 - God's Challenges to Empire
29:36 - The Pattern of God's Challenges
30:31 - The Role of Trust in New Creation
32:30 - Living in a Vandalized World
33:39 - Restoration and Trust in God
36:06 - Learning to Trust God
37:32 - Wisdom and Trusting God
39:01 - Obedience and Sin in a Fallen World
40:07 - Living in a Fallen and Renewed World
42:46 - The Frustration of Ambiguity in New Creation
45:32 - Broken Relationships and Restoration
48:48 - The Inability to Fix the Situation
54:11 - The Story of the Prodigal Son
01:02:31 - Conclusion and Preview of Next Episode

In this episode, Gianna Hearn returns to the Eikon Podcast and shares updates on her life. The conversation then transitions to the topic of new creation, focusing on the differences and similarities between Genesis 1 and Genesis 2. They explore different interpretations of these chapters and emphasize the importance of starting the story of creation in Genesis 1 and 2 rather than Genesis 3. The conversation explores the themes of sin, repentance, and the purpose of human beings in the context of the biblical narrative. It emphasizes the importance of beginning the story in Genesis 1 and 2, which highlights the goodness of creation and the image-bearing role of humans. The discussion challenges the traditional view of sin as solely breaking the rules and presents a more holistic understanding of sin as the absence of goodness and the failure to do good. It also highlights the significance of repentance as a turning back to God and the hope of being restored to the image of God

Takeaways
- Differences and similarities between Genesis 1 and Genesis 2
- Interpretations of Genesis 1 and 2
- The importance of starting the story of creation in Genesis 1 and 2 Begin the biblical narrative in Genesis 1 and 2 to understand the goodness of creation and the image-bearing role of humans.
- Sin should be understood as the absence of goodness and the failure to do good, rather than solely breaking rules.
- Repentance involves turning back to God and embracing the purpose of being an image bearer.
- Humans are mortal beings who need God for eternal life and the fulfillment of their purpose.

Chapters
00:00 - Introduction and Life Updates
09:53 - Starting the Conversation on New Creation
13:36 - Genesis 1 and Genesis 2: Differences and Similarities
26:01 - Starting in Genesis 1 and 2
28:03 - The Importance of Genesis 1 and 2
28:49 - The Story of Sin
29:19 - The Motivating Factor
30:18 - Beginning with Genesis 1 and 2
31:16 - The Hope in a Positive Light
32:14 - A Robust Theology of Sin
34:32 - Sin as the Absence of Goodness
36:01 - Breaking Rules vs. Doing Good
39:20 - Image Bearing and Sin Management
41:37 - Repentance: Turning Back to God
48:11 - Genesis 2 as a Temple
54:56 - Humans as Mortal Beings
58:33 - The Tree of Life

Summary
This episode delves into the pressure to be okay in church culture and the importance of creating a space where it's okay not to be okay. The concept of being seen or invisible is explored, highlighting the significance of feeling understood and validated. The conversation also touches on the need for a culture of lament and wrestling with God, acknowledging the complexities of life and the presence of suffering.

Takeaways
- Feeling unseen can arise in various contexts, including church culture and racial experiences.
- The temptation to change oneself to fit expectations and be seen is common but should be navigated with grace.
- Being seen for who you truly are requires a diverse and inclusive community that values personal stories.
- Fostering cultures that truly see and value individuals is essential for creating a sense of belonging and unity.

Chapters
00:00 - Introverts and Extroverts during Quarantine
06:34 - Enjoying the Quarantine as an Introvert
13:01 - Church Culture and the Pressure to be Okay
19:46 - Creating a Culture of Being Seen or Invisible
27:36 - The Importance of Lament and Wrestling with God
35:47 - The God Who Sees and Stoops Down
39:04 - Ways Church Culture Can Make Misfits Feel Unseen
40:25 - Feeling Unseen
41:14 - Racial and Cultural Experiences
42:10 - Church Culture and Expectations
43:37 - Feeling Unvalued
44:38 - Overcoming Expectations
45:29 - Fear of Public Speaking
46:12 - Favoritism and Exclusion
47:28 - Associating with Others
48:37 - Feeling Used
50:33 - Being Seen for Who You Are
53:08 - Superficial Connections
55:36 - Cultures that Foster Being Seen

In this conversation, Michael and Jason discuss the purpose and meaning of Genesis 1 and 2. They emphasize that Genesis is not a scientific account of the physical formation of the universe, but rather a theological narrative about God's desire to dwell with humanity within the themes of creation and new creation in the Bible. They explore the ancient structure of creation, with its seven days and God's rest on the seventh day. They also discuss the idea of creation as a temple, where God desires to dwell with humanity. The conversation raises the question of whether we sometimes exalt the text of the Bible over faith and God, and the dangers of doing so. They suggest reading the scriptures with more openness and humility, focusing on the heart of God rather than getting lost in the text.

Takeaways
Genesis 1 and 2 are not scientific accounts, but theological narratives about God's desire to dwell with humanity.
The goodness of creation emphasizes God's intention to create a space for humans to dwell with Him.
Humans are called to be stewards of creation and participate in bringing order and purpose to the world.
Creation suffers due to human sin and rebellion against God's calling.
The ultimate goal of creation is for God to dwell with humanity in new creation.

Chapters
00:00- Introduction and Schedule Change
10:09 - The Purpose of Genesis 1 and 2
12:46 - Understanding Creation in Genesis
18:29 - The Significance of 'Good' in Genesis
28:02 - The Desire for God to Dwell with Us
33:33 - Creation Suffers Due to Human Sin
37:33 - The Teleos of Creation
41:43 - The Role of Humans as Image Bearers
42:58 - The Ancient Structure of Creation
45:11 - The Seventh Day and God's Rest
48:11 - Creation as a Temple
50:57 - God's Desire to Dwell with Us
55:38 - Exalting the Text Over God
59:38 - The Danger of Biblicism
01:03:42 - The Hermeneutic of Expectancy

Thabani Antony Mashava shares his experiences and insights into the spiritual realm and African beliefs in this conversation. He discusses growing up in Zimbabwe and the prevalence of spiritual practices and rituals. Thabani also explores the challenges faced by African Christians in navigating the spiritual realm and reconciling traditional beliefs with their faith. The conversation highlights the differences in worldview between the Western world and Africa, as well as the significance of Chipinge as a hub of witchcraft in Zimbabwe.

Chapters
00:00 - Introduction and Background
06:12 - Growing Up in Zimbabwe and African Beliefs
17:06 - Navigating the Spiritual Realm as a Christian
23:03 - The Western World's View of the Supernatural
25:56 - Thabani's Background and Experiences
36:27 - Worldview and Beliefs in Zimbabwe
42:40 - The Significance of Chipinge

Summary
Michael and Jason discuss the importance of understanding Genesis 1 in its ancient Near Eastern context. They emphasize that the purpose of Genesis 1 is to show God's intention to dwell with His creation and His desire for a relationship with His people. They also highlight the need for living in a way that reflects God's creation and the importance of ongoing formation and growth in the Christian life. Ultimately, the conversation points to the idea of an embodied faith and life together as God's children.

Takeaways
- Understanding Genesis 1 in its ancient Near Eastern context is crucial for grasping its intended meaning.
- The overarching theme of the Bible is God's desire to dwell with His people.
- Living in a way that reflects God's creation and order is important for believers.
- Formation and growth are essential in the Christian life. Moving from theory to action is crucial in our faith journey.
- Practices such as lament and community gatherings can help us embody the teachings of scripture.
- Relationships and community play a vital role in our spiritual formation.
- A solely devotional approach to faith may limit our growth and understanding.

Chapters
00:00 - Introduction and Setting the Stage
08:06 - Understanding Genesis 1 in its Ancient Near Eastern Context
13:11 - The Purpose of Genesis 1: God's Intention to Dwell with His Creation
29:10 - The Overarching Theme of the Bible: God's Desire to Dwell with His People
35:06 - The Importance of Living in a Way that Reflects God's Creation
38:00 - The Need for Formation and Growth in the Christian Life
40:00 - Moving from Theory to Action
43:43 - Forming Community through Lament
46:46 - Practices for Love and Kindness
50:27 - The Role of Relationships in Spiritual Formation
55:26 - Moving Beyond Devotional Life
59:37 - Embodied Faith and Life Together

Jason and Michael examine the creation focus of Psalm 19 and consider the huge implications for creation, God's vision of justice, and ultimately new creation, when we understand that God's creation was good and will be fully restored to that goodness one day.

The Eikon team begins a new series on New Creation. They discuss why it is important to start our discussion with creation and how we can often misinterpret creation as described in the Bible, using Michael's inability to correctly construct a new bed as an illustration of why it is vital to understand creation correctly.

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It's that time of year for our annual year-end episode where the Eikon team shares their lists of favorite books and podcasts.

Michael and Gianna talk about the importance of Revelation's message for today's church and what stood out to them most from our series on Revelation.

Michael and Jason conclude their discussion on dispensationalism's impact on American Christianity well beyond its own adherents. They consider what the role of Israel is and is not and whether 1 Thessalonians 4 and 2 Peter 3 point to a future rapture and destruction of the earth.

Jason, Gianna, and Michael discuss the creation of the dispensational approach to reading Revelation and how that approach continues to have massive ongoing implications in the present day's spiritual, cultural, and political realms.

Jason, Gianna, and Michael discuss the creation of the dispensational approach to reading Revelation and how that approach continues to have massive ongoing implications in the present day's spiritual, cultural, and political realms.

The Day of the Lord is an often-misunderstood motif in Scripture but one that is vital to comprehending the message of Revelation and what will happen to all empires, including those operating today.

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Michael and Gianna examine the biblical passages about the beast, the mark of the beast, and the antichrist. Who or what are they and what do we need to know about them today?

We have all been trained by the world around us to believe that strength, might, and power is what is needed to make change in the world, defend those in need, and to live a victorious life. But John turns that on its head and shows a very unexpected path to victory.

Michael, Jason, and Gianna take a sidestep in the Revelation series to discuss grief over the loss of a pet and whether animals, specifically our beloved pets, will be part of the new creation.

Michael and Jason take a look at the function of the New Jerusalem in Revelation, what it meant for the original readers, and its significance for us today.

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Michael, Jason, and Gianna look at the description of the great city of Babylon in Revelation as they consider what John is communicating through the use of this biblical motif and why is a bit veiled about the identity of the great prostitute.

The Eikon team analyzes the ancient view of space, including heaven, and earth.

The Eikon team evaluates readings of Revelation that are rooted in our cultural view of time and discuss how it impacts our understanding if we utilize the cultural view of time from John's day.

Michael, Gianna, and Jason examine the Roman cultural fascination with Nike and how John confronts the topic, completely flipping it on its head.

Michael and Jason take a look at the often-puzzling prophetic language in Revelation that often seems to borrow or mimic the Old Testament prophets but never quote them and frequently changes their words.

The Eikon team delves into the underlying myths that Rome believed about itself as important background to understanding both the book of Revelation and ourselves.

The Eikon team analyzes the central role that imagination has in the writing, reading, and understanding of Revelation.

Jason, Gianna, and Michael return from their extended break and jump right into a new series on Revelation. They begin by looking at clues within the opening verses about what type of literature the Revelation is and discuss what that means for how we should and should not expect to read it.


Selected resource list (in no particular order):

1.  Revelation for the Rest of Us – Scot McKnight
2.  Reading Revelation Responsibly – Michael Gorman
3.  Revelation Commentary – Brian Blount
4.  Revelation as Civil Disobedience – Thomas Slater
5.  Unholy Allegiances – David A. DeSilva
6.  For the Healing of the Nations – Justo Gonzalez
7.  Reversed Thunder – Eugene Peterson
8.  The Rapture Exposed – Barbara Russing
9.  After Dispensationalism – Brian Irwin
10.  The Rise and Fall of Dispensationalism – Daniel Hummel
11.  Apocalypse and Allegiance – J. Nelson Kraybill
12.  Comfort and Protest – Allan Boesak
13.  Unveiling Empire – Wes Howard-Brook
14.  Revelation and the Politics of Apocalyptic Interpretation – Richard B. Hays
15.  Discovering Revelation – David DeSilva
16.  Revelation & the End of All Things – Craig Koester
17.  The Theology of the Book of Revelation – Richard Bauckham
18.  Word Biblical Commentary: Revelation (3 Volumes) – David E. Aune)
19.  The Anchor Yale Bible: Revelation – Craig Koester
20.  The Home of God – Miroslav Volf

Paul called for followers of Jesus to be imitators of God before laying out what that would look like. In Ephesians 6:10-20, he challenges the church to fight God's battle using God's weapons. Jason and Michael explain how that often looks much different than we might expect, and because of that, we often don't even engage in the battle that God wants us to fight.

Why, in the middle of a letter about the vital nature of unity in the midst of a cosmic attack from the powers and authorities, does Paul suddenly turn to a marriage and parenting workshop for the church? The Eikon team considers the cultural context of Paul's letter and discusses how that may not be at all what Paul was doing. Understanding the contexts of Paul's writing help us understand biblical submission and how Paul envisioned it radically challenging the culture around them.

Conversations about what it means to be filled with the Holy Spirit often focus on the spectacular and the individual. The Eikon team examines what Paul says it looks like and it may not be what you'd expect.

Did Paul envision a collection of sin managers or a community of image-bearers? What's the difference and why does it matter?

For Paul, the Church was locked into a cosmic battle with the powers and authorities. It was a battle that Christ had already secured but the churches failed to embody that victory through their love and unity. The Eikon team considers what Paul believed the gift of unity should look like and how we often misuse the notion of unity to silence those that disagree with us or that have had differing experiences.

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Michael and Jason have a lively and explosive discussion on whether the church is synonymous with the kingdom of God and the implications of believing one way or the other.

Paul called followers of Jesus to unity and oneness because that is the very nature of God and what he wants for the world. Our identity is in Christ but what is the practical center of that identity; how do we most clearly express and identify with that identity? Was it moral behavior, church growth, or did Paul have something else in mind?

At the end of Ephesians, 3 Paul prays that the church's eyes may be opened to the victory that God has secured for them in Christ. Yet, it was a battle that many of them did not even realize they were fighting. Even more surprising is that we are engaged in that same battle and are even more unaware of it. The Eikon Team looks at the reality of that battle and considers the dangers to the church. One of the factors that amplify the dangers of this battle is when Christians find their primary identity in the church rather than in Christ. They talk about the subtle temptation of finding our identity in the church, the temporary benefits of doing so, as well as the disastrous long-term effects.

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Nearly 2,000 years ago Paul claimed that through Christ God had defeated the powers and authorities that sew structural injustice and human division on a mass scale. That was a claim that seemed outlandish and unfounded in the first century and even more so today. In this episode, the Eikon team looks at the evidence that Paul claimed demonstrated that God was not losing the culture but had already won. Was he right?
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Jason, Gi, and Michael make their way through Ephesians 2:1-10 and examine just what Paul meant when he said that we are saved by grace. Have we, at times, transformed Paul's words to mean something other than what he was intending to say?

As Paul prays for spiritual awareness for his first-century readers, he describes to them the reality of the spiritual battle ahead. The Eikon team dissects Paul's description of this battle and discusses the category of sin that was so important to Paul but that modern Christians have all but erased from our consciousness and have left ourselves completely vulnerable to its ravages as a result.

What does it mean to be in Christ and why did Paul describe it in such detail in the opening verses of Ephesians? The Eikon team wrestles with that and considers what this all has to do with the great cosmic battle that Paul is about to describe. They also consider what this might mean for American Christianity and whether we need to grip tighter to the past or if it's time for radical change to realign with the Gospel.

The Eikon team arrives at the end of Mark and explores where Mark ended his gospel and why. Did he intend a somewhat puzzling ending in verse 8 that challenges readers or a more triumphal ending in verse 20 that inspires readers?

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Jason's Favorite Reads of 2022:
The Drama of Doctrine: A Canonical-Linguistic Approach to Christian Theology - Kevin Vanhoozer
For the Time Being: A Christmas Oratorio - W.H. Auden
How to Inhabit Time: Understanding the Past, Facing the Future, Living Faithfully Now - James K.A. Smith
Open Mind, Open Heart: The Contemplative Dimension of the Gospel - Thomas Keating
My Bright Abyss: Meditation of a Modern Believer - Christian Wilman

Michael's Favorite Reads of 2022:
What if Jesus Was Serious About the Church - Skye Jethani
Dear White Peacemakers: Dismantling Racism with Grit and Grace
Becoming the Gospel: Paul, Participation, and Mission - Michael Gorman
The Patient Ferment of the Early Church: The Improbable Rise of Christianity in the Roman Empire - Alan Kreider
You Are Not Your Own: Belonging to God in an Inhuman World - Alan Noble

The Cross is the center of Mark's Gospel. Even though most Christian churches would identify it as their community's central symbol and heart, are we in danger of making the Cross too small? Have we embraced important elements of it but missed aspects that are just as important? The Eikon team looks at the tragedy of crucifixion but argues that the Cross is anything but. And understanding the difference is vitally important.

The Eikon team looks at Mark's stringing together of three incidents where people have the truth and wisdom of God right in front of them but tragically reject it, opting for power. But in those acts of rejection, the cross-shaped king takes his throne. These incidents should cause us to reflect on ways that we might reject the truth of the cross for something a little more comfortable and to our liking.

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The Eikon team examines the emotional evening at Gethsemane and the events that immediately followed and wrestle with questions that arise as the way of the cross intersects with the violence of the world. Was non-violence a central tenet of the early church and if so, why is it not for many churches today? Would the early Christians have seen that as an anti-gospel?

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While having a type of Passover meal with his new family, Jesus redefined the temple presence of God, gave meaning to a renewed covenant with God, and demonstrated one of the most shocking and personal acts of patient love in the entire New Testament. The Eikon team looks at this touching personal moment between Jesus and his closest disciples and discusses the immense challenge of imitating Jesus' heart and character shown here in our own lives.

Is Mark 13 about the end of the world and the rapture? The Eikon team welcomes Gianna back, looks at Mark 13 in its historical context, and delves into the relatively brief history of the church's rapture and the cultural impact it has had on modern Christianity.

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Jesus reserved his most direct critiques for spiritual leaders who used their position to advance their own prestige and position rather than laying down their lives for others. The Eikon team looks at two short passages where Jesus takes on this kind of misuse of authority and then discussed how that should warn and challenge spiritual leaders in today's church.


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The Eikon team looks at one of Jesus' most explosive confrontations. Those who were embroiled in his day's political issues demanded that he choose a side and publicly declare his loyalties. What Jesus did next shocked everyone and continues to challenge and guide us today in some of the most contentious areas of our faith.

Mark 11:12-26 depicts Jesus cursing a fig tree and acting subversively in the Temple. These are actions that are largely lost on a modern audience but ones that were clearly understood by both Jesus' disciples and the Jewish leaders, a rare occurrence that should tip us off to the importance of what Jesus was doing. What he did in the Temple was so confrontational that is likely the single act that caused Jesus to be killed. Yet, we can be very much in danger of missing the importance of justice to Jesus and the implications of not pursuing it.

The tone and focus of Mark shift dramatically in Chapter 11 as Jesus finally arrives in Jerusalem. Competing visions of the meaning of Jesus' kingship clash as the crowds do not get the crescendo they appear to be hoping for. The crowds were seeking God but were they willing to be transformed by Jesus? The Eikon team considers the depth and profundity of that question and talks about what exactly Jesus was doing and what Mark wants us to see. Today's guest co-host is Stevi Wood from Eau Claire, Wisconsin.

Note: This episode mentions a short interview update with Gianna Hearn will be at the end of the episode. Unfortunately, there are some technical difficulties with that. We will try to have that update as a separate very short bonus episode later in the week if possible. 

Mark's challenge to the church hits its high point in this account of a blind man named Bartimaeus. His warning: the disciples who were in the closest proximity to Jesus were spiritually blind and didn't know it. What does take to be the fourth soil from the parable of the sower? It wasn't the disciples who showed the way. It was one of the least likely people. The Eikon team welcomes special guest, Deniedra Fontenette, and discusses the implications of Mark's challenge for the contemporary church.

In Mark 10:32-45, Jesus lays out the way of the cross for the third time, culminating in his unmistakable direction that does not include using power over others. The Eikon team welcomes special guest Shara Saget from the DFW Church as they wrestle with Jesus' challenge and discuss how seductive power can be for Christians, Christian leaders, and churches. Have we far too often given into its temptations and allowed power and manipulation into the church?

The account of Jesus' interaction with the rich young man is one of the more well-known of all the Gospels. It's a tragic tale of a man who could not let go of the thing that he loved the most when Jesus gave him one of the most difficult challenges for anyone he called to follow him. It leaves us to wonder if we would have responded more faithfully than he did. But was the call all that unusual? Was it any different from the call we receive to follow Jesus? The Eikon team looks a little deeper into what Jesus was trying to tell this man and anyone who would be his disciple. But first, they take a look at the student loan forgiveness plan in the US and discuss those using biblical reasoning for their position on this new policy.

The disciples of Jesus wanted to keep children away from him. The Eikon team considers why that happened, what Mark wanted to convey in recounting this misunderstanding on their part, and the warning present for the church today. Can we become an obstacle to the younger generation or any other marginalized group, all the while thinking we are doing the right thing? They also discuss the church's response to what is often called postmodernity and how that plays into this conversation.

The Eikon team dives into Mark 9:38-41 and discusses the implications of Jesus' challenging of the disciples assumptions about those that are not part of their small circle.

One of the more memorable interactions with Jesus in Mark's Gospel involves frustrated disciples, a demonically attacked young man, and a desperate father struggling in the murky ground between faith and doubt. The Eikon team enters this story, challenging us to see doubt for the positive force it can sometimes be and to enter this narrative in the way that Mark wants us to. They discuss how, once again, this passage in Mark is deeply relevant to today's issues like progressive theology and deconstruction.

The transfiguration is one of the more puzzling passages in the Gospels. Moses and Elijah appear, and Jesus is suddenly glowing? What is that all about? When we are rooted in the background of the Hebrew Bible and the ongoing context of Mark, it all makes much more sense than we might normally suspect. The Eikon Team jumps into this passage and shows this passage makes perfect sense in Mark's ongoing challenge to the church. They then consider how this passage both encourages and calls the contemporary church higher. They even explain how Paul's baptism for the dead in 1 Corinthians 15:29 might play into all of this.

Mark 8:34-38 is one of the most well-known and often referenced passages on discipleship. Yet, points out the Eikon team, we have grown so accustomed to making assumptions about the meaning of common English phrases and skipping over the context of passages to apply them directly to us as individuals today, that we often neglect the true challenge and significance of what the author wants us to see. So, what was Jesus saying about discipleship? It might be even more applicable to our current situation of culture wars, division, and power struggles than we have imagined.

Psychologist Jordan Peterson, a self-proclaimed agnostic, released a video message to Christian churches last week that had gone viral in some circles of Christianity. Is he on point or off base? The Eikon team discusses what they believe about that and the importance of being able to tell the difference.

The Eikon team arrives at our discussion at the turning point of Mark's Gospel. Jesus finally makes plain the life to which he is calling his disciples. And they immediately reject it. We often chuckle at Peter's boldness to reject and rebuke Jesus, but do we do the same thing in our lives? Have large portions of Christianity done just as Peter did as we engage in the so-called culture wars?

Mark 8:22-26 contains one of the strangest events in Jesus' life. Why does Mark record an interaction between Jesus and a blind man that seems to go terribly wrong, at least at first. The Eikon team breaks down this important enacted parable and discusses why it was so important to the disciples and to the church today. Is it possible that we have missed the primary meaning of carrying our cross and what should be our response if that is indeed the case?

Jesus has been trying to teach his disciples what it really means to follow him but they just could not grasp the message. This puts them in danger of trying to bring about the kingdom through the wrong methods and means. The Eikon team examines Mark 8:14-21 to find out just what Jesus did to make this clear to his followers and what Mark is doing to apply this same challenge to the church. They discuss how this same warning can be very timely in light of contemporary events like the recent Supreme Court ruling regarding Roe v. Wade.

This week the Eikon team looks at Mark 8:1-13 and the feeding of the 4,000. They reveal Mark's awe-inspiring reasons for including two similar feeding miracles and why that message is just as relevant for us today as it was for the original readers. We can easily fall into the line of thinking that acts as though the problems we face in the world today are too big for kingdom solutions, but this passage in Mark exposes and challenges that kind of limited imagination.

In Mark 6:45-52 Mark crafts the incredible account of Jesus passing by the disciples while walking on the water. The Eikon team explores this passage and discusses what Mark was communicating about Jesus to his readers as well as how and why the disciples were in very real danger. They then discuss how we can fall prey to the same factors that caused the disciples to miss what was happening right in front of them.

The Eikon team examines Mark 6:30-44 and the incredible story of Jesus feeding the 5,000. They look at some important, but often missed details in that account that demonstrate Mark's explosive purposes for crafting that incident in the way that he has. Central to the discussion is a way of life challenged by Jesus that has taken deep roots in today's social and political culture which makes this portion of Mark's gospel one of the more relevant passages in the entire book.

The Eikon team shares a very special "news" story and discusses the upcoming two-week break before resuming the study of the Gospel of Mark.

Looking at Mark 6:6-13, the Eikon team discusses what Jesus was doing when he sent the apostles on a special two-by-two mission, what they might have thought they were being sent to do, and why Mark crafted this account the way he did. At the heart of this passage is a community that is being created with Cruciformity at its center rather than conversionism. The team then discusses the implications of that reality for today's church.

The Eikon Team takes on the beginning of Mark 6, taking a second look at Jesus in his hometown.

The Eikon Team dives into one of the Gospel of Mark's most beautifully crafted passages. Two women, separated by status, circumstance, age, social position, support system, and many other ways but see their stories intersect as they interact with Jesus. There is much in these two stories that we can miss with a modern eye but as we dive into the text, we have the opportunity to see what Mark did not want us to miss about the kingdom of God and the Messiah that was bringing it into the present age.

Mark 5:1-20 is one of the darker and stranger scenes in all of Mark's Gospel. Jesus encounters a demon-possessed Gentile in a graveyard by the sea surrounded by herds of swine. From a Jewish perspective, it cannot get much worse than that. The Eikon team breaks down this scene as well as discussing who Jesus may have really been confronting here and why he might have sent the legion of demons into the herd of pigs.

The Eikon team moves to Mark 4:21-25 to continue examination of the Parable of the Sower, a parable so important that Jesus said if we don't grasp the heart of this parable, we will misunderstand everything that he is about. They explore what Jesus meant when he said that "whoever has will be given more" and "whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them," and how our individualistic materialism can get in the way of us truly catching his point. They finish with thoughts on the gravity and meaning of this passage for the contemporary church.

Author and Theologian, Tim Gombis, joins the Eikon Living team to discuss the Parable of the Sower. When Jesus first taught the Parable of the Sower, he made clear that not only was it pivotal to understanding his ministry, but also that many who would hear would misunderstand it and not put it into practice. Gombis walks through this foundational parable, showing how it provides a textual map for the rest of Mark, how we can miss important elements of it just as Jesus' disciples did, and how we can rightly understand and rightly respond to the challenge of it today.

Tim Gombis is the host of the "Faith Improvised" podcast and author of several books including, "Power in Weakness," The Drama of Ephesians," and "The Story of God Bible Commentary: Mark."

Looking at Mark 3:20-35, the Eikon team discusses important things to watch for when reading biblical texts. They demonstrate how Mark ties his text together to show that both Jesus' family and the teachers of the law were making dangerous miscalculations about the way of the Messiah. They finish up considering whether we can commit unforgivable sins today.

Jesus constantly seemed to take aim at the Sabbath practices of his day. Before we begin to ask what that means for us and whether or not we should be observing a Sabbath today, the Eikon Living team analyzes what Sabbath was, what it was intended for, and how it was approached by many of the Jewish believers of Jesus’ day. The reality is, they conclude, that Sabbath was a much bigger and deeper concept than we tend to understand today, a reality that has major implications for how we might think about and approach Sabbath today. They then discuss why the early Christians were so opposed to a physical observation of Sabbath and whether contemporary Christians should observe Sabbath, and if so, what it might look like.

One of the primary themes in Mark’s Gospel and one of his main challenges to the church revolves around our view of insiders and outsiders. Jesus constantly challenged those preconceptions about people that were typically excluded and marginalized. Rather than building fences to keep them out, he embraced those very people. But he didn’t stop there. Throughout his gospel Mark highlights that Jesus also challenged the insider status of those that were the most confident about their standing before God. His seeming intention was to critique the church of the generation after Christ and cause them to examine their own views about insiders and outsiders. 

Nowhere is that clearer in Mark’s Gospel than in today’s study of Mark 2:13-17. The Eikon Living Team discusses why Jesus was always hanging around the wrong people, what that meant in his day, and why that should challenge us to think about our own spiritual communities and how we treat others. They discuss the implications of Mark Baker’s book, Centered Set Church when it comes to being a bounded, centered, or fuzzy group.

Do we fully understand the implications of the Gospel accounts surrounding Jesus’ confrontations with the demonic? The Eikon Living Team suggests that there is much more behind those encounters than we might first suppose. They also discuss why Jesus was perceived as having so much authority in his teaching, what we can learn about Jesus’ ministry from the evil use of power by Vladimir Putin, who and what are the divine council, and whether we should expect to perform exorcisms today. But first, Jason explains the context of Psalm 46:10 and why we often find comfort in that passage when the intended response was likely something very different.

Today’s study of Mark 1:12-20 includes discussions on why Mark seems so truncated in his accounts, what Jesus meant when he pronounced the coming of the kingdom, the importance of which direction the kingdom was moving, what is discipleship according to Mark, and whether we have completely misunderstood the meaning behind the phrase “fishers of men”? The team also responds to lessons that can be gleaned from the story of a church that nullified thousands of baptisms because of one incorrect word.

When examining a passage Like Mark 1:1-11, it is important to be aware of what we think we already know. If we don’t analyze our own assumptions, we will bring them into the text with us which causes us to decontextualize the biblical passage without being aware this is what we’re doing. The Eikon Living team begins our contextual study of Mark in the first chapter and talks about the meaning of terms like “gospel,” “repentance,” and “baptism,” as well as discussing the primary theme of Mark. Also this week, they discuss the reliability of viral social media content about spiritual matters such as a recent viral post regarding the divine name of YHWH and human breath.

Our study of the book of Mark begins with an often-neglected passage in Mark 12. Jason and Michael explain why we are starting Mark with a strange passage about Sadducees, widows, resurrection, and Scripture. Is it possible to know the Scriptures forward and backwards and still miss the heart of God and who Jesus is? The warning from Mark is not only did the Sadducees do this, but so can we. Michael and Jason also discuss how Jesus tells us in this passage how to approach Scripture and how that will help us as we study through Mark or any other section of the Bible.

It's a new year. Time for a new name and a new direction! Join Gianna, Michael, and Jason as they set the stage for a new method of digging into scripture. 

We will be taking an unexpected but hopefully brief hiatus. This short update explains why and when we will be back with season 4.

Marshall Mead, Executive Director of the World Discipleship Summit planned for July 31-August 7, 2022 in Orlando, Florida, joins Michael to share the journey of the conference that was originally planned for July, 2020. Marshall talks about the challenges of planning, postponing, and rescheduling such a large event and shares about important spiritual lessons learned during that process. He gives a rundown of the new plan and schedule for the conference as well as how it is going to be different both logistically and in content from the original 2020 plan.

For more information or to register: www.worlddiscipleshipsummit.com 

Michael and Jason share their five favorite books that they read this year and Gianna invites her husband, professional basketball player, Reggie Hearn on to share his five favorite books of the year. The lists are wide-ranging and will prove to be rich resources for the readers in the audience. Before signing off for the year in this final episode of season 4, the crew announces and explains the new name of the podcast and the direction that we will take in season 4. 

Season 4 will begin on January 17th, 2022.

Michael, Jason, and Gianna review the major points of the great lie from this season, talk about why it matters for the church to understand the deception of the great lie and the danger of ignoring its effects, and chat about a few things that weren't discussed this season. Michael discusses his upcoming book on the great lie and shares a few important items that will be covered in the book that weren't explored this season on the podcast.

Jason explains to Michael and Gianna what Advent is and why it is such a potentially important, but often overlooked or ignored, tool for the Christian community.

MyCresha Burns joins the podcast to talk about the welcome table and how the concept applies to our lives. She insightfully utilizes the traditional African American spiritual song to examine the biblical concepts of hospitality and welcoming the stranger. She discusses how churches that are a diverse congregation can still miss the point of the welcome table and become less than what Jesus envisioned for us to be.

The discussion today centers around whether the focus of the church should be on social justice or on "preaching the gospel" and saving souls. There are groups of Christians that feel strongly about and advocate for both of those issues as the primary purpose of the church. The question is, which one is correct? Then there are those that argue for finding balance between these two areas. But what if none of those are the best position for followers of Jesus? What if there is a different way to look at this discussion that is more in line with the New Testament vision for the church?

Why does it seem that we can tell more about how someone will interpret or respond to big issues of the day or news events based on what news shows they watch than by their faith in Christ? Michael, Gianna, and Jason talk about this phenomenon and much more today as it relates to the concept of what they are calling antidiscipling. They discuss what it is and why it has become such a powerful force in the church today.

Michael and Mark Kang, a minister in the Detroit Church of Christ, have served together in the same regional family of churches for over 15 years and they agree on many things. But there are also some areas in which they disagree. Michael invited Mark on this special bonus episode and gave him an open mic to talk about whatever he wanted, point out any areas where he thinks Michael has been wrong, challenge him on anything he wishes, and ask any questions he has. 

The Corinthian church was rife with prejudice, division, and inequity. So why would Paul open his letter by calling them holy ones of God rather than bigots, fools, or idiots? The answer is just as important to understand for our context today as it was then. Michael, Gianna, and Jason talk about this important truth of identity and what the real problem is when we label others with identity markers other than beloved image bearer of God.

Have we been misreading 1 Corinthians by neglecting its context and subsequently missing some of the true challenge that Paul laid out for disciples of Jesus in that passage? Michael, Gianna, and Jason discuss the historical and cultural background of one of the most famous sections of the New Testament and what it might mean for us in practice today.

Author and minister, Steve Saindon, joins the podcast in a special bonus episode to speak about his new book, "Better than Wine: How Healthy Intimacy in Marriage Reveals God," as well as the upcoming 2nd annual Shameless Conference which Steve created. 

You can discover more about Steve's ministry at www.n2fm.org 

On this episode, Michael, Jason, and Gianna continue their look at a Roman culture that was so divided by status that they wouldn't eat or even die with one another. But they had become so blind to the ways in which they were reflecting the inequities of their culture in the life of the church that they did not even see when they were guilty of allowing the great lie to impact their partaking together in the Lord's Supper. This has some very challenging implications for today's church that are often left unexamined.

Michael, Jason and Gianna discuss the responsibilities that social media giants have versus personal responsibility in light of the revelations that Facebook operated under an algorithm that favored controversial and anger-inducing posts. After that they dive back into 1 Corinthians, discussing how the great lie was impacting the church in Corinth where spiritual gifts are involved. They then turn focus to Paul's solutions to how to address the inequities in the body caused by the culture and the world around them as well as by allowing aspects of this great lie take root in the life of the church.  

Michael, Jason, and Gianna Hearn dive back into our look at 1 Corinthians and its relationship to the theme of the great lie. They wade through the swampy ground of 1 Corinthians 11:2-16 and discuss what women wearing head coverings have to do with image bearing and superiority of the elite and ask if women shouldn't be covering their heads in worship after all.

The episode begins, though, with a riveting discussion of the ultimate "proof" of the existence of sasquatch and how that might relate to how we decide to believe what is true or not.

The discussion on Corinth begins at 19:04.

If you have ever wondered how you can make a real difference in your community, especially in the places that are seemingly paralyzed with drug addiction, homelessness, people hopelessly entangled in the criminal justice system, and other maladies, then you will not want to miss this episode. Mel & LaTasha Harris lead ODAAT (One Day At a Time) in some of the toughest communities in Philadelphia. They are followers of Jesus truly bringing hope to those places that need it most. Michael and Jason talk with them as well as Chip Mitchell, Evangelist in the Greater Philadelphia Church of Christ about their partnership with the GPCC, their amazing work in Philly and how you can bring your own ODAAT-type miracle to your community.

But first, Jason and Michael talk about alien abductions and their possible cause according to a new scientific study. 

The discussion with Mel, LaTasha, and Chip begins at 17:18.

For more information on ODAAT and the GPCC:

Twitter & Instagram: OriginalODAAT

www.ODAATphilly.org

Instagram: TWBundles

www.Hopeforkids.org

www.gpcc.org

 You will not want to miss this episode. Dr. Douglas Jacoby has written over 30 books, and taught God's word in over 120 countries and 100 universities. Today, he joins Michael and Jason to discuss the topic of justice. He explains what the difference is between biblical justice and some of the more contemporary versions of justice and offers some important challenges to the church and the culture when it comes to embracing God's vision of justice. 

But first, Michael and Jason talk through one of the wildest "News of the Squatch" reports yet.

The discussion with Dr. Jacoby begins at  14:33.

"All things are permissible for me," is not a phrase that would have sounded uncommon to the ears of first century Corinth.  Finding out who used this phrase in Roman culture and for what purposes continue to help us understand how the great lie of superiority was infecting the Corinthian church and how Paul was discipling them through it. Understanding both the problem and they ways that Paul continues to work towards the solution are vital to us finding our way biblically through our own modern version of the great lie.

But first, Michael and Jason have a little fun talking about resurrecting mammoths and why Michael's mom is a little peeved with him after listening to a previous episode. They also discuss the reality of making mistakes as biblical teachers and the need for an ongoing pursuit of humility, as well as the important and relevant lessons from another very popular podcast.

The serious discussion begins at 17:30.

What does a young man sleeping with his step mother and one Christian suing another in first-century Corinth have to do with the Great Lie? That's exactly what Michael and Jason discuss in this continuing look at the impact of the Great Lie in Corinth and why it is vital for us to learn the same lessons that Paul wanted to teach to the Corinthians. But first, they examine what we can learn from Blue's Clues about the Millennials and Gen Z. And yes, Michael incorrectly states that it was a PBS show when everyone who's anyone knows it's a Nick Jr. show.

The discussion on Corinth and the Great Lie begins at 22:08.

Michael and Jason continue their look through the letter of Paul to the Corinthians as he challenges them with the explosive truth of the gospel and shows the saints how they have dangerously built the church on the wood, straw, and hay of the culture around them without even realizing they were doing so. Reading Paul's letter in this context helps us to see just how deeply subversive it is and how challenging it is for us in the modern context.

The discussion begins at 19:19.

Jason and Michael look at 1 Corinthians 1 and the explosive ways in which the gospel challenged them to look at the world, but also to examine themselves and see how the lie that some humans are superior and others are inferior had infected the church and was causing division among them. But this discussion doesn't just stay in the first century, it starts to look ahead to the ways that today's churches can struggle with our own versions of this same lie.

The discussion begins around 16:30 after "News of the Squatch."

 Today we welcome Tim and Sam Blake, ministers in Hartford, Connecticut for a discussion that centers on the influence that the great lie can have in society and in the church and we hear from them how it impacts their ministry and presents challenges as ministers in a diverse congregation in addressing these issues.

The discussion with the Blakes begins at about 12:35. 

Dr. Jamila Michenerof Cornell University is our guest today. She shares her expertise and teaches us about the history of mindsets and structures set in place to help create and maintain the great lie in recent history and how those mindsets and structures continue to impact us today.

The interview with Dr. Michener begins at about 11:10. There was some unexplained static that we could not remove throughout her interview. We apologize for that but what she shares is more than worth the minor annoyance.

A transcript of the episode is attached and available with this episode. Please utilize it if the buzz is too annoying.

In this bonus episode, Michael, Otoma Edje, and author Matthew Bates talk about his books, "Saved by Allegiance Alone," "Gospel Allegiance," and "The Gospel Precisely." The conversation focuses on what biblical authors meant by the word "faith," what the gospel itself was in the proclamation of the early church, how modern Christianity often gets both of those concepts wrong, and why that can be such a dangerous problem for the church.

Kevin Holland, senior pastor at Turning Point Church in Los Angeles, California, joins Michael and Jason today for a discussion revolving around the genesis of the great lie of identity. They examine the role that the father of lies has in this ongoing distortion of identity that results in the belief that some people are superior and others are inferior, how people of Paul's day were victims of that lie, and how we have been infected with updated versions of that same lie. 

Kevin shares in a very personal and powerful way how this lie has impacted his own life and presented an ongoing challenge to his vocation as a pastor.

The discussion starts about 15:40 after "News of the Squatch."

Dana Perkins, evangelist in Tacoma, Washington joins Michael and Jason to talk about the important scriptural principle of clinging to what is good and rejecting what is evil. The discussion turns to the tendency that many in our culture have to paint everything in very black and white terms and demonize those that think or believe differently from them. This results in an "us" v. "them" mentality that feeds into the culture wars rather than being on the mission of gathering the nations.

But first, Michael, Jason, and special guest Elijah Burns (Michael's younger son), have some fun banter about how they would fare toe-to-toe against members of the animal kingdom. 

If you would prefer to skip the fun and get right to the interview, that starts at about 19:35.

James and Matina, biblical teachers from the Chicago Church of Christ join the podcast for an intriguing discussion about our place in the biblical story. Do we have an occasional tendency to read ourselves into the wrong places and identify with the wrong characters?

Michael welcomes Marty Solomon, the host of the Bema Podcast and director of Impact Campus Ministries, for a special conversation. Marty gives his thoughts on Michael's book, Escaping the Beast, shares what has surprised him about his own ministry, talks about how he responds to criticism, gives some exciting updates about what is next for his podcast and overall ministry, and much more.

Isaac's Bad Eyes Episode:
https://pca.st/episode/a3cc09c5-4429-4369-b442-5174da42dc28


Note: there was a small technical error on our end which caused the need to re-record one of Michael's questions later after the interview. In that price, Michael inadvertently repeated a few thoughts from an earlier comment. Please forgive us for the repetition.

Michael and Jason have a lively discussion about our need to balance materiality and spirituality and the negativity that results when we don't. They use this as springboard to kick off the focus of season 3 on the Great Lie and briefly explain what the great lie is.

And don't miss the new segment: News of the Squatch.

New theme music is the song Mt. Olympus from DeLaNoyz Productions.

Reggie and Gianna Hearn talk finding life in Christ, love in Christ, and the challenges of following Jesus and reflecting the kingdom while living a non-traditional lifestyle of a married couple involved in professional sports. Reggie is a veteran of the NBA, NBA G-League, Team USA and the 2018 USA Male Basketball Athlete of the Year. Gianna is an accomplished sports reporter and social media influencer. 

Professional Counselor, Conflict Resolution expert, and evangelist in Winnipeg, Canada, David Jung joins the podcast to uncover some of the things that cause conflict and simple, although not always easy, ways to work through and resolve conflicts when they do take place.

Joel Peed joins the podcast to talk about the importance of embracing the biblical concepts of rest and stopping in the hectic life of modern Christians. He talks about both the concepts behind taking regular time to rest as well as specifics about observing weekly rest times, personal spiritual retreats, and longer sabbaticals.

Trauma Theologian, Kyle Spears, joins the podcast to provide helpful thoughts and principles in effective communication in challenging and potentially divisive topics like politics, racial justice, and more. 

Michael delves into the Christian interaction when it comes to military and policing issues.

Khathutshelo Rapea joins the podcast from Johannesburg, South Africa to talk about how Christians can think about and engage the world in environmental issues. 

Michael breaks down the Ancient Greek, Roman and Jewish views and practices regarding abortion and then details how the early Christian views were very different and why they were so unique.

Johnny Rivera, Evangelist in the Central Jersey Church of Christ joins the podcast today to talk about the biblical teaching that directs our thinking about how to approach the practice of abortion in our modern context.

Robert Carillo, evangelist and leadership coach at the Los Angeles International Church of Christ, joins the podcast to talk with Michael about the biblical view of the refugee and how this can inform how we think about current issues surrounding immigration.

Biblical teacher James Becknell, and teacher and author Steve Kinnard join the podcast to talk about the challenge of seeking unity and racial righteousness in the church in a world that finds the topic so divisive and elusive.

Michael is joined by special guests Ben Barnett, Evangelist for HOPE worldwide, and Dave Malutinok, President of HOPE worldwide as they talk about the kingdom mindset towards economic justice. Dave and Ben lay out the biblical view of justice and how that relates to economic equity and give updates about the many wonderful things that HOPE worldwide is doing across the globe.

International speaker and founder of Strength in Weakness Ministries, Guy Hammond, joins the podcast today to talk about how kingdom people can interact with those that are same-sex attracted or identify with the LGBTQ community. Guy shares his own amazing story and then discusses how Christians can think about both personal connections with others as well as how Christians might apply kingdom principles to societal issues like gay marriage and similar issues. 

Michael examines the remaining four principles of how Christians might go about engaging in the world in politicized issues and issues of justice.

Michael examines the first five principles of how Christians might go about engaging in the world in politicized issues and issues of justice.

We look at a number of examples and models in today's episode, from John Calvin to the Amish to William Wilberforce, as we continue the conversation of if and how Christians might approach engaging with the world in issues of politics and justice.

Tune in for a quick update on the All Things to All People Podcast, what's next for Michael, including an upcoming sabbatical and a new book in the works (I'll be starting it after the sabbatical), and a new podcast recommendation for the Bible Brew with Daniel Berk.

Jason Alexander takes over the show and interrogates Michael about the two realms, that of the kingdom and the nations. They talk about what the kingdom of God is, how what we believe about the end of all things matters, why there is much more to the kingdom of God and engagement in political structures than striving for mere morality, and how the message of the cross and the resurrection impact our worldview.

Will Archer, Innovative influencer and evangelist in the Potomac Valley Church just outside of Washington D.C. joins us to explain the principles behind a church engaging with their community in a effective way. This is not just a bunch of theoretical jargon. Will lays out some very specific and easily reproducible activities that his church has done that are making a huge impact in their surrounding community. This episode will not just inspire you, but you will walk away with practical ideas of what your church can do in your own area.

Will Archer's Greater Everyday Podcast
https://open.spotify.com/show/6zOea5OspthpS47LjsbYOV?si=NpXAidhuQFaB3fgyczySQQ&utm_source=copy-link

Join me as Otoma Edje and I have a conversation with theologian and author Scot McKnight about creating a biblical culture of goodness in the church, where the church is headed in its response to racial inequity in the world, the role of women in the church, and much more.  McKnight is the author of A Church Called Tov, Reading Romans Backwards, The King Jesus Gospel, The Blue Parakeet, Kingdom Conspiracy, Pastor Paul, The Jesus Creed, A Fellowship of Differents, and much more. 

What is the role for the kingdom communities when it comes to engaging in a two-party, or similar, political system?  Today, we examine the challenge and dangers of the two party system for Christians.

In this episode, Jason and I talk about more recent events in the United States, like the situation surrounding Colin Kaepernick and his actions during the playing of the national anthem, as a springboard to examine the topic of Christian nationalism, using the United States as an example. We will talk about recognizing the elements of when Christian nationalism is present in a nation and what we, as followers of Jesus, can do in response.

Gordon Ferguson, author of Dynamic Leadership, Prepared to Answer, The Victory of Surrender, the Power of Gratitude, The Apostle Paul, Discipling, and many other books,  joins the podcast today to talk about the difference between patriotism and nationalism, as well as how the Christian version of nationalism  serves as a constant danger to the kingdom of God. 

To access Gordon's biblical teaching articles, resources, and much more, go to his website:

www.gordonferguson.org

and his blog:

www.blacktaxandwhitebenefits.com

How do we respond when we think other individuals or our church collectively needs to grow in an area? We can often fall into the trap of wanting to advance the kingdom of God within the life of our church community but do so through means that are not kingdom methods. Anger, frustration, impatience, and divisiveness, are not what God wants from or for his people. We will look at important principles in this special episode of how we can effectively respond when we would like to see change in the body of Christ. Of course, the Bible encourages us to confront inequity, call out sin, and to deal honestly with areas that have been neglected, but doing so with love rather than giving in to bitterness can make all the difference.  We will look at simple principles to help us strive for effective, loving and godly confrontation, when necessary, rather than falling into the biblical category of complaining which is not rooted in love or being constructive. 

It seems that our political discourse these days often devolves to the point where conversations end with unhelpful phrases like, "you're an idiot." But how did Jesus manage have followers like Simon the Zealot and Matthew the tax collector that could not have been on further ends of the political and philosophical ends of the spectrum? What did they have to give up in order to truly embrace the kingdom of God and represent and reflect it in every area of their life? We will look at those questions today as well as how Christianity in the West began the journey from a strictly kingdom enterprise to becoming intertwined with empire itself.

The incredible song played at the end of the episode is an original song written and performed by the PsalmBirds, a multigenerational, multiracial band of brothers in the Syracuse Regional Church of Christ who love to play socially distant porch concerts!

Lyrics:
Celebrate Diversity 

(Verse1)

Our mission from on high

To spread the message far and wide

A quest to reunite

Every people, every tribe

The gathering of nations

From all ends of the earth

Into a kingdom of one

That transcends all class or culture 

And gives everyone worth

Proclaiming ultimate love!

(Chorus)

Celebrate diversity

We’ve been made exquisitely

Beautiful and colorfully 

We are one!

We are one!

(Verse 2)

Just look around and see

Dividing walls, disunity

And what of you and me?

Are we truely family?

Do we seek to understand

Or merely hold to our stance

Before the truth is revealed?

If we’re too caught up to listen 

then we haven’t a chance

To know each other for real

(Chorus)

(Bridge)

Jesus said

To love your neighbor

As yourself

You better check yourself!

(Repeat)

No matter what your creed

We’re called to love in word and deed

To elevate each other 

Cause we’re all a band of brothers

The earliest Christians believed that the most important piece of evidence demonstrating the truth of the claims of the gospel was that the Christian communities lived out the kingdom as a radical alternative to anything that they would see in the world. If they did that, people would take notice. With that in mind, they felt it was of the utmost importance to create a kingdom habitus in the churches. This impacted both their approach to evangelism and their engagement in the politics of the world. 

Today we have an exhilarating conversation with  Jon Veal and Jordan Campbell of Alt_Chicago (Alt Space Chicago) and Bill Barberg of Insight Formation. These are devoted followers of Jesus making a big impact in their communities and the world as they live out the values of the kingdom and embrace being the alternate community of the kingdom in practical ways. This will encourage and inspire you to examine what doors the Spirit might be opening for you to go 'be the kingdom'.

You can find more information about Bill and his organization at: www.insightformation.com

You can learn more about Jon and Jordan's vision and work at: altspacechicago.com

You will not want to miss this episode! We are joined today by a collection of amazing younger people that share their thoughts on the state of faith in their generations and what they need from older Christians. You will be inspired, informed, and grateful for Jesus, his kingdom, and the wisdom and insight of these followers of Jesus. 

Our special guests are Santiago Rios, a 23-year old grad student at UC-San Diego; Kendall Baldwin, a 26-year old manager of U.S. Chapter Relations for H.O.P.E. Worldwide; Valerie Holland, a 17-year old high school student in Rock Island, IL and member of her church's diversity committee; Jordan Massey, a 31-year old Campus Minister for the North River Church in Atlanta; and Bryant Viegut, a 21-year old engineering major at the University of Minnesota.

In the book of Revelation we find an epic battle between the team of the Dragon and the Beast against the Lamb. This is not just a fantastical story about animal wars, but a way to challenge the allegiance of our hearts and minds. The Beast can be far more tempting than we think and we can find ourselves living out the role designated for the people of the Beast, all the while sure that we are fully allegiant to the Lamb. We will take the time to examine this as well as begin to look at the important role laid out for kingdom people and what it means to be an alternate community. 

The New Testament says that kingdom people are exiles in the present age.   Join Jason and I as we talk about what this identity means and how it helps us find the balance between being in the world but not of the world.

Does the Bible get it wrong on one of the most fundamental and obvious issues of human dignity and freedom? Does it condone slavery? Don't miss the incredibly enlightening conversation on those questions and more with Dr. Richard Rodriguez of Florida International University, author of "An Unsealed Indictment: How American Slavery Violated the Scriptures." We will also consider how answering these questions helps us start to think about ways that Christians can engage with the world in areas of political partisanship and justice.

Go to www.r2rockpublishing.com to get a copy of Dr. Rodriguez's book.

Join me today as I talk with Dr. Jamila Michener, a follower of Jesus and professor at Cornell University. We talk about the prisoner education program at Cornell of which she is a big part, and much more.

Note: We recorded during a blizzard which led to major Zoom disruptions and a few other technical difficulties so please bear with the roughness of this episode. But there is so much enlightening and uplifting information from Dr. Michener, that it is well worth wading through the glitches.

We have become so convinced and discipled by the culture that political power is the only way to make any real change in the biggest issues of society, that visions of the kingdom that strive to use means and methods of the kingdom rather than politics are often accused of doing nothing or withdrawing from the world. Or we give our loyalty and energy to political passions because surely partisan politics is the only way to get anything done in the social realm.  Yet, the reality is that the kingdom has the path to true change that the politics and ways of the world simply do not have access to. Join us in this episode as we examine what that path is.

In this episode we look at some ancient Jewish and modern misunderstandings of the kingdom of God. We will consider what do we need to know about "time travel" to understand the kingdom, why the kingdom is not the same thing as the church, and begin to discuss how that all impacts how we approach the topics of justice and political engagement.

Special guest Tom A. Jones joins the podcast today to talk about all things kingdom of God. Tom is the author of a trilogy of books on the Kingdom of God as well as popular and important books like The Prideful Soul's Guide to Humility (co-authored), The Baptized Life, and many others. 

How great would it be if Jesus could be our president? Or what if he could be the king of the whole world? That might sound great, yet, whenever he was given opportunities to be the king or ruler, he rejected it and instead chose the way of the cross and the kingdom. Knowing why that was, is vital to understanding how we can interact and engage with the world today.

Christians are called to be salt and light to the world but so many people simply see us as judgmental jerks. Join Jason Alexander and I as we talk about what it means to be the prophetic community and how to embrace a role that critiques the systems of the world with hope rather than just criticizes everything about the world and come off like a bunch of jerks.

Christians are given the task to be image bearers of God and are told that we will one day co-rule creation with God but does that mean that we should rule the world right now? Jason Alexander and Michael continue the discussion of how disciples of Jesus are to interact with the world.

What does it mean that human beings were made in God's image and given the vocation of image bearers? Were we created to rule over the creation, and if so, what went wrong? What importance does the theme of image bearing have on the biblical narrative and in our lives today? We will start to consider these important questions and more in this episode with biblical teacher Jason Alexander.

Welcome to Season 2. We begin a this new season looking at the topics of the kingdom of God and how it relates to contemporary politics and the need for justice in the world. In this episode we will consider why we need to talk about these topics that can so easily devolve into conflict and why it should not be that for the people of God, but also why we must talk about such difficult topics. We'll look at what the early Christians like Paul were teaching that was considered so politically controversial and even treasonous and how the picture of a married young man can help us understand the need for allegiance to God's kingdom.

In this episode, we look at the challenges of changing a church's culture in pursuit of cultural humility and the quest of being all things to all people. We look at best practices to help a church community remain focused on their biblical goals of being the people of the kingdom and how to stay motivated during the hard work of being flexible and humble for the benefit of others.

This is a special episode you will not want to miss. Join me for this interview with the founders of the group, Disciples Working to Abolish the New Jim Crow, a group seeking to bring an end to unfair mass incarceration tactics and mistreatment of those convicted of crimes in the United States. 

A Church can be diverse but not culturally humble or inclusive. In this episode we consider what a church needs to pursue cultural humility and continue to grow in being all things to all people.

The level of cultural humility and competence of a church will not go beyond that of their leadership. In this episode we consider what being all things to all people will look like in a church's leadership and how they can pursue and grow in these areas.

What does it mean to be a culturally humble individual? We will consider that and look at the characteristics of someone who is pursuing cultural humility in a healthy way.

Being culturally humble is not an easy task. It takes a lot of work. Yet, we must remember that we are striving for growth and competence, not perfection. Knowing the difference can ease a lot of anxiety and tension. We also need to be aware of the dangers of spiritual bypassing and having an understanding of one of the most dangerous obstacles to being all things to all people: the vestiges of racial superiority.

In this episode, we have an eye-opening discussion with three followers of Jesus who are under 30 as they discuss why younger generations feel left out of the church family in many respects, what aspects of the older generations culture can tend to turn them away from feeling like they are part of the community or wanting to be, and what the church can do to be all things to younger generations and help draw them in and stay in the body of Christ.

Gen Z, Millennials, Gen X, and Boomers all have very different cultural tendencies, preferences, and worldviews and if we are not careful, the church family can drive away the younger generations in droves if we do not embrace the call to be all things to all people with them as well. Join the discussion as we begin to broach the subject of why so many young people seem uninterested in the church.

Cultural preferences and comfort zones can have a huge impact on who we see as potential leaders in God's kingdom, how we select leaders, why we sometimes have inequities in leadership diversity, and how we relate to leaders. We will examine all of this and more this week.

Every culture has identity-forming narratives that are long and dearly held. The truths conveyed in these metanarratives become almost sacred to us and when others counter the accepted truths of these stories or push back on them, we can become deeply passionate or angry without ever fully understanding why. This can influence why we hold such different views of the innocence of our country, the role of the police, and many other deeply relevant cultural dynamics. This is one of the most important topics when it comes to cultural division and how to hear and understand one another better, so you won't want to miss this episode.

One of the first aspects of community life that people will experience and decide whether your church is culturally inclusive or not is in the music during worship gatherings. That makes it pretty important. So, let's talk about it. MyCresha Burns joins the podcast today along with former music ministry leaders of the Two Cities Church, Kyle and Sadie Schwebach.

Should a church be focused on embedding itself into a neighborhood and becoming a powerful force for good in the community or should it have a greater focus on global mission? Should it be centering its ministry on evacuation or preparation? Should it focus on events or on people? Our instincts in areas like this can be conditioned by our upbringing and culture. This episode will revolve around how we can identify our different assumptions in these types of areas and work together in a diverse church.

In this special bonus episode I interview an amazing young follower of Jesus, Eric Roberson of HB Nation, to talk about his brand new podcast, The Human Being Podcast. This podcast will focus on talking to people from different and unique backgrounds with the goal of simply listening, gaining empathy, and viewing people of all types as human beings. The Human Being Podcast will debut on August 24th, so get your sneak preview now.

Is it respectful to be direct and get right to the point in communication or is that invasive and rude? This is just one aspect that we need to consider in our pursuit of cultural humility when it comes to communication. We will explore this aspect of communication and much more in today's episode.

What is perhaps the biggest source of cultural divide in churches and in society in general? You will have to listen to this episode to find out as Michael discusses this great divider and what we can to forge unity in this area.

If time and money can be viewed so differently by different cultures, how can we possibly come together and find a unified blended approach in the diverse body of Christ? That is the focus of this episode as we continue the quest to be all things to all people.

MyCresha Burns joins me as we talk about how cultural approaches to managing resources like money and time can impact a church.

We can bring very different presumptions and comfort zones about what a family looks like and how it operates than can have a big impact on whether the church feels like a family or not. When those differences surface in a diverse church, how do we start to bridges those divides and create a sense of family that both challenges and meets the needs of all members? We will dive into that question on this episode and begin to forge a paradigm that will help us in any context.

MyCresha Burns joins us this episode as we begin a discussion of culturally informed views of what family is and how that can cause conflict and rifts in the church if we are not aware and prepared of these differences.

Special guest Gilbert Kimeng, a biblical teacher in Lagos, Nigeria joins us today as we discuss the differences between those rooted in Eastern cultures and those rooted in Western cultures and the divisions that can develop if we don't recognize those differences.

Jason Alexander joins the podcast today as we talk about some of the things that can keep us from engaging in cultural inclusion or pursuing cultural humility

Please join us for this special bonus episode where we highlight the amazing spoken word poem f All Things to All People listener, Chelsea Sutherland. This short interview along with performance of her poem, Jesus Culture, is well worth the listen.

Jesus Culture, by Chelsea Sutherland 

Culture; a dangerously loaded word shot forth into this frame. 

One utterance is a buckshot scattering pictures across each brain, but

My pictures and your pictures are not likely the same, so let’s get one thing straight first: what meaning should this word “culture” really claim?

Your culture is *your* customs, *your* social norms, *your* typical attitudes - whether you think respect is “telling it like it is” or giving “polite” platitudes;  

How you express your thoughts openly, or rather.. drop hints as you chat, whether your music is full of twang or a heavy boom-bap; 

Is it rude to be late? Or too rigid to limit love to a precise - window - of - time?  

See the garden from which you bloom influences how your petals of culture will be defined. 

Which garden sought to define Jesus?  Which roots ordered the way that his petals should grow?  Jesus grew up cultured as a good Jewish boy you know.  

Can we really convince ourselves that he didn’t feel..  some sort of strain? 

Like he wasn’t tempted with the thought to not go against the grain?

The time golden grain backdropped his disciples’ hunger pain?

Wouldn’t it be easier to not have to explain that one to the Pharisees?

Easier it would have been to let culture be Lord, but can you imagine all the lives that would have been left UNrestored – can you imagine if Jesus let his culture impose on the will of 

Yahweh?

The little children would have never come His way; 

Mary, sent back into the kitchen, 

Cooking — 

The lame and crippled waiting an extra day, 

Looking!

Sinners eating and drinking by themselves 

EMPTY;

The woman at the well talking to herself – 

Lonely On her 6thor 7thhusband, 

Thirsty! 

No *living* water in sight, no mercy.

Yes, if the garden from which Jesus grew 

made up his mind

No tears and bloody-sweat in the garden you’d find. 

No.. stretched-out-arms, no.. nails stubbornly beat into wood, 

No “come follow me”, no brother & sisterhood.

So, do I think that Jesus-culture is  anti-culture? No

For Jesus culture is far greater a goal to press toward,

It’s the ability to share our cultures without making any of them Lord;

It’s celebrating richly the culture of each son and each daughter,

Not here to abolish our cultures but rather infuse them with the Father;

Taste and see that the Lord is GOOD! 

And so is the diversity of His nations;

Taking time to acquire these new tastes is so worth it’s aggravations.

Jesus-culture means, appreciating the rose while still respecting the thorns, 

hands-out and eyes-open to other social norms. 

It’s loving your brother or sister more than you love your own preferences —

Philippians 2:5-8 is where the ultimate reference is!

It’s laying down your preferred nature, 

Not considering your ways as something to be grasped

But rather looking to the needs of others so that more hands can embrace His clasp 

It means boldness to even ask

This humbling question:

“How many saints are suffering from my culture’s aggression?”

Reject suppression, embrace His SUCCESSION!

Put the rightful King on the throne;

It’s time to make the church a Jesus-culture zone.

It is easier than you think to have a multi-ethnic community that is not multicultural. We will discuss how to recognize these moments of lack of inclusion and start to talk about how to address them as a church. Joining us today is special guest and expert on trauma and its impact on communities is Kyle Spears from the Omaha Church of Christ. Part 3 of 3.

It is easier than you think to have a multi-ethnic community that is not multicultural. We will discuss how to recognize these moments of lack of inclusion and start to talk about how to address them as a church. Joining us today is special guest and expert on trauma and its impact on communities is Kyle Spears from the Omaha Church of Christ. Part 2 of 3.

It is easier than you think to have a multi-ethnic community that is not multicultural. We will discuss how to recognize these moments of lack of inclusion and start to talk about how to address them as a church. Joining us today is special guest and expert on trauma and its impact on communities is Kyle Spears from the Omaha Church of Christ.

Join us as we chat with a powerhouse trio of guests, James and Jennifer Becknell, ministers in the Chicago Church of Christ, and MyCresha Burns of the Two Cities Church in Minneapolis as we talk about the vitally important dynamics of dominant and nondominant cultures within a diverse church community.

Join us as we chat with a powerhouse trio of guests, James and Jennifer Becknell, ministers in the Chicago Church of Christ, and MyCresha Burns of the Two Cities Church in Minneapolis as we talk about the vitally important dynamics of dominant and nondominant cultures within a diverse church community.

Culture becomes such an integral part of who we are and our identity that it can become difficult to separate. Our culture feels so normal that we are slow to want to examine it or consider adaptations for the sake of others. This can make it very challenging to take up the task to be all things and find unity in a diverse church. Along with special guests, biblical teacher and scholar, Jason Alexander, and women's ministry leader, ICU Nurse, and Michael's wife, MyCresha Burns, we will discuss how we can maintain our own identity and cultural integrity without risking the mission to gather the nations.

Culture becomes such an integral part of who we are and our identity that it can become difficult to separate. Our culture feels so normal that we are slow to want to examine it or consider adaptations for the sake of others. This can make it very challenging to take up the task to be all things and find unity in a diverse church. Along with special guest, biblical teacher and scholar, Jason Alexander, we will discuss how we can maintain our own identity and cultural integrity without risking the mission to gather the nations.

Culture becomes such an integral part of who we are and our identity that it can become difficult to separate. Our culture feels so normal that we are slow to want to examine it or consider adaptations for the sake of others. This can make it very challenging to take up the task to be all things and find unity in a diverse church. Along with special guest, biblical teacher and scholar, Jason Alexander, we will discuss how we can maintain our own identity and cultural integrity without risking the mission to gather the nations.

Join us as we talk with guest Joshua Dyrud and consider how followers of Christ are to balance transforming some aspects of our cultural background with becoming all things to others, and work towards creating a new culture in Christ.

Culture impacts almost everything we do, how we think, and what we expect. In this episode we will look at just how influential and all-encompassing culture is and the importance in plays in the life of a community.

We can be the most culturally competent and knowledgeable people on the planet but without love we will have nothing. We will discuss the impact that love can have within a multicultural church and the light that it can be to people of all nations.

What does it mean for a Christian to be all things to all people? It doesn't mean that we must be ashamed of our own culture or deny it. Rather, it means we become aware of it and remain willing to learn from other cultures and participate in their expressions. It means to become a student of other cultures. In this episode we will look at the ins and outs of becoming all things to all people.

Jesus did not give us the mission to go make disciples. He specifically sent us out on a different mission; one that God has been working towards since the time of Abraham. What is it? Tune in to find out.

In this episode we will go through Chapter 1 of All Things to All People and consider what is the purpose of human beings and the meaning of life. The world constantly sends the messgae that our greatest value should be to enjoy life and be true to ourselves. But those are the very things that cause most of the problems we have in the world. Instead, we were created for the much higher purpose of reflecting God's image into his creation. 

In this episode, we will introduce the podcast and its purpose as a combination podcast and audio book that will go through Michael's books. We begin with the introduction of the All Things to All People: The Power of Cultural Humility book. We will talk about why there is a need for cultural humility among God's people and begin the discussion of why this is a Scriptural concept. We'll also examine the importance of having our motivation, or our "why" focused in the right direction becasue if we don't, we will get knocked off course by the challenge of interacting with the cultures of others.