Published author, cultural commentator and professor Laina Dawes paired with the clown of Slipknot for an honest conversation about identity, adversity, and ultimately finding solace in music in what has become an especially uncertain world. Sharing their personal experiences, both good and bad, the duo find common ground in challenging the expectations and thriving outside of the confines of the general pubic considers typical. The highly personal conversation examines counter culture from an intellectual perch.