Welcome to the Elephant in AppSec, the podcast to explore, challenge, and boldly face the AppSec Elephants in the room. Today we’re excited to have an amazing guest, Ric Campo, join us. Ric started his cybersecurity journey in the Royal Australian Air Force. With a decade of dedicated experience as an Application Security Engineer and Penetration Tester, he currently serves as a Principal Security consultant at Galah Cyber. Ric also strongly believes in the power of the community in AppSec. He focuses on writing blogs that will help the community in the long term. He's also been an OWASP Sydney chapter leader for several years. During the podcast, he'll share a funny story about how he became involved with the chapter. Ric has organized multiple meetups and has also presented at the OWASP 20th-anniversary event. Throughout his career in application security, Ric has worn multiple hats: serving as both a cybersecurity consultant and an in-house application security engineer. This unique perspective prompted us to challenge him on their differences, unique challenges, and reasons behind his preference for the consultant role. Dive right in!