Welcome to the Elephant in AppSec, the podcast to explore, challenge, and boldly face the AppSec Elephants in the room. Today we’re excited to have an amazing guest, Jacob Salassi, join us. Jacob is the Director of Product Security and Regulatory Expansion at Snowflake, where he has played a pivotal role in guiding the company through its pre- and post-IPO phases. With over 15 years of experience, initially in software engineering before transitioning to security, Jacob is a sought-after speaker at numerous conferences and podcasts, sharing his wealth of insights with others. Jacob has a deep passion for cycling, and he revealed to us that he has a large repository of ideas stored in his smartphone notes that he records while cycling. Jacob held a strong opinion that product security should be approached as a science, not an art. Therefore, we challenged him on how, in this case, one can nurture developer creativity to build secure applications and asked in-depth about his scientific approach. Dive right in!