Welcome to the Elephant in AppSec, the podcast to explore, challenge, and boldly face the AppSec Elephants in the room. Today, we're joined by an amazing guest, James Berthoty. James has been in technology for over 10 years across engineering and security. An early advocate for DevSecOps, he has a passion for driving security teams as contributors to products. With all his experience, he's currently building latio.tech, a platform helping organizations find the best security tools. In our latest episode with Tristan Kalos, we challenged James about his recent article on ASPM. We discussed what's right and wrong with its current state, what’s missing from Gartner's perspective, and what ASPM might look like in the future. Curious? Dive right in!