Tyson Yunkaporta is an academic, an arts critic, and a researcher who is a member of the Apalech Clan in far north Queensland Australia. He's the author of Sand Talk: How Indigenous Thinking Can Save the World. Sand Talk looks deeply at the basic pattern of nature and how that pattern reflects through all of creation, informing not only how natural systems operate, but reflecting into systems of law, harmonious conduct, and relational communication. Join Tyson and me as we take a journey through the pattern — stopping along the way to talk about ancestral mind, native corn, Game of Thrones, and the best way to approach rocks. Talking about the basic pattern of nature is a rich topic, one which ultimately begs the question, that Old Man Juma in the book keeps getting at, if all this is pattern, then is even the current destructive paradigm part of some greater pattern too?