The Gate 15 Interview EP 48. ENCRYPTION, part 2. A conversation with Elizabeth Nolan Brown and Jessica Dickinson Goodman: Encryption, privacy and why good intentions aren’t good enough.

In this episode of The Gate 15 Interview, Andy Jabbour talks with Reason Magazine’s Elizabeth Nolan Brown and Jessica Dickinson Goodman in part two of our two-part series on encryption. Jessica and Gate 15 are members of the Global Encryption Coalition.

Elizabeth Nolan Brown. Senior Editor, Reason; President, Feminists for Liberty. Elizabeth Nolan Brown is a senior editor at Reason and the author of Reason’s biweekly Sex & Tech newsletter, which covers issues surrounding sex, technology, bodily autonomy, law, and online culture. She is also co-founder of the libertarian feminist group Feminists for Liberty, and a professional affiliate of the journalism program at the University of Cincinnati. Brown has covered a broad range of political and cultural topics since starting at Reason in 2014, with special emphasis on the politics, policy, and legal issues surrounding sex, speech, tech, justice, reproductive freedom, and women’s rights. She lives in Cincinnati, Ohio, with her husband, sons, and two cats. Andy is a big fan of her cat and family pictures. Read here complete bio at Reason.

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Jessica Dickinson Goodman. Jessica Dickinson Goodman is the current chair of the Chapter Seeding Committee of the San Francisco Bay Area ISOC Chapter and past-President, serving in that role for three years. As Board President, encryption protection and education played a major role in her agenda. She ran a monthly tactical tech support webinar series for community members in how to use encryption tools to protect personal privacy in a post-Dobbs world, wrote and published Encryption for Babies, is featured on the front page of the Global Encryption Coalition’s YouTube channel talking about encryption.

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In the discussion Liz, Jessica, and Andy discuss:

• Liz and Jessica’s backgrounds.
• Encryption 101 and why is it important.
• What led you to join the Global Encryption Coalition.
• Liz’s journalistic background covering sex, tech, privacy and related matters at Reason.
• Are we too paranoid?
• Law enforcement & legislation & breaking encryption.
• STOP CSAM, the EARN IT Act and Section 230.
• Protecting children vs. protecting privacy or protecting children and protecting privacy.
• Recommendations for law enforcement and legislators.
• Three Questions!
• And more.

Selected Links:

• Global Encryption Coalition. The Global Encryption Coalition (GEC) was founded in 2020 by the Center for Democracy & Technology, Global Partners Digital and the Internet Society and now has over 350 members. Its mission is to promote and defend encryption in key countries and multilateral fora where it is under threat. The GEC also supports efforts by companies to offer encrypted services to their users.
• GEC members
• Elizabeth Nolan Brown, selected writings:

• The Bipartisan Antitrust Crusade Against Big Tech
• Childproofing the Internet
• Judge Blocks Biden Administration's Strict Asylum Restrictions
• The New Campaign for a Sex-Free Internet
• The EARN IT Act Is Back. Here's What People Are Saying.

• Senator proposes new encryption provision in bill against online child exploitation
• Hawley, Durbin unite to push STOP CSAM Act forward
• Reps. Sylvia Garcia and Barry Moore, Sen. Durbin Introduce the Strengthening Transparency and Obligations to Protect Children Suffering from Abuse and Mistreatment Act
• CDT: The STOP CSAM Act Threatens Free Expression and Privacy Rights of Children and Adults
• EFF: The STOP CSAM Act: Improved But Still Problematic
• Wikipedia: EARN IT Act
• Tuta: How Germany was key to stop chat control - and how the name helped with that.
• Tuta: Another privacy win for NOYB: Your data is up for grasps? Not so in the EU – not even for Meta’s AI!