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Escaping the Screen: Rethinking Work, Attention, and Human Connection with Joff Outlaw and Brad Marshall

44 min • 22 februari 2025

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In this episode, I sit down with Joff Outlaw and Brad Marshall, co-authors of Busy Idiots, to explore the modern obsession with busyness and the digital distractions that keep us in a perpetual cycle of inefficiency. We dive into why productivity has been hijacked by technology, how workplace cultures reinforce the need to “look busy,” and practical strategies for auditing your digital life.


Brad shares insights from his research into tech addiction and Australia’s new legislation banning social media for under-16s, while Joff unpacks the impact of corporate culture on our ability to work smarter, not harder. We discuss how companies can create healthier, more sustainable work environments, why meetings without screens might be the future, and what a hyper-digital world could look like in 20 years if we don’t take action.


If you’ve ever felt overwhelmed by emails, Slack notifications, or the need to always be “on,” this episode is for you.


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📌 Links & Resources:

🔗 Busy Idiots book – Busy Idiots: Learn the Brain Science and Productivity Hacks to Get Ahead without the Stress

🔗 Joff & Brad’s website – BusyIdiots.net

🔗 Connect with Joff on LinkedIn – https://www.linkedin.com/in/joff-outlaw-970a3b11/?originalSubdomain=au

🔗 Brad Website – https://www.bradmarshall.com.au/


Let us know what you think—are we all just busy idiots?

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