Manchester. 2019.
John squeezes into the back seat of a car with SloSilver and Stephanie Finegan: the artist duo behind the band Glove.
They drive through the vibrant city centre of Manchester and talk; a conversation which races along in a parallel universe to the Trump world we are being crushed by - this is not a world of narcissism and blubber - this is a world of hope and ideas and a band who have constructed a soundtrack for it.
John describes that conversation in the back of the car. Find out why he believes Glove is the future.
This podcast contains swears.